Evidence (updated)

“Concentrate on what cannot lie. The evidence.”
– Gil Grissom to Warrick Brown, CSI

“It’s a scientist’s right to re-examine his theory with each new piece of evidence, Nick.”
– Gil Grissom, CSI

So what do we non-scientists do? Essentially, pursue the paths scientists would take, anyway. This morning, I gave a talk to high school and college students from the various La Salle schools, and one student asked my opinion on the Glorietta blast. And so, I quoted from CSI.

I told the students that as students, they should try to make sense of what happened, by starting with the realization that there is a lot more we don’t know, than we actually know at this point. the little that we know can be gleaned from three main sources. First, eyewitness accounts. Second, photos and videos showing the damage. Third, what our officials tell us.

At the end of the day, whatever official explanations emerge will have to be convincing to the many eyewitnesses, and match what they’ve related and what the pictures show (an interesting entry, with pictures, is in sane psycho, who’s mother is apparently the architect of Luk Yuen; Hueco Mundo says the owner had a close call indeed). Our job as citizens, I told them, is to be unafraid to insist that any explanation given makes sense. I told them that people will of course have preconceived notions or assumptions about what took place, but a sober and thorough investigation -and explanation- should hopefully end up convincing your average, reasonable, person.

And if it doesn’t, ask, ask, ask, until you’re satisfied it all makes sense. The opinions, even instincts, of people who were there, will matter. As will the views of ordinary citizens who try to make sense of the tragedy by comparing official explanations (or theories) with their own personal experience. See delai’s realm, for example, who, when the LPG explosion theory was first proposed, wrote,

they said it was just a gas tank leak. what the hell? when i saw it on tv, i had to say “wtf?” i’ve witnessed a house burn down because of lpg leakage. but it was nothing like it. there was a loud blast and then the house was eventually engulfed in flames. glorietta however was nothing like it. no fire at all. a blasted area of glorietta facing park square 2 flashed on tv. and when the inside of the mall was shown, there was no doubt that it was bombed.

See Turning Points, who has photos and refuses to believe it was a gas leak, either. See Clumsy Limbs who sadly noted that after Sunday’s brief fire, she has had to cancel future events in the mall.

In the end if they can be convinced, all of us should be convinced by whatever official explanation emerges. The trauma and confusion those who were there are going through (and their loved ones, who have just begun to count their blessings,) will naturally affect their attitudes and behavior.

Blogger Cindy.cIndy.ciNdy.cinDy.cindY who was fairly close to the blast, describes the process many others are going through too, I’m sure:

As soon as I arrived home last Friday, my father uttered the words “Military may pakana niyan. Sila lang ang may C4.” How can my father say that? I was disgusted to hear that the government might be behind the incident. And I was scared at the same time because the government can do that to their constituents. Then the news outlined several bombing instances in Metro Manila and all of them showed that the bomb used were home-made bombs. They believe that the ‘terrorists’ are the one behind the previous bombings. Anyway, we have to wait for the result of the investigation before we make accusations, right? So I watched the news and red the newspapers. It has been 3 days since the incident happened but still they don’t have a concrete idea what kind of explosive was used. Some were saying that it was indeed C4 since some chemical components of C4 can be found in the area. But the police investigators alleged that these components are available in the drug stores, therefore, speculations about the military and government being behind the incident should be disregarded. Ganon na ba kadali gumawa ng bomba?!

And the questions that are emerging in their minds:

And guess what, there are no security guards who died that day. Come to think of it, 2 passengers from a taxi died and the taxi driver was thrown off his own taxi because of the explosion but the guard on duty managed to stay alive. Another thing with the security guards in the mall is that they just stand there and tell the people don’t panic. The hell!!! Why don’t you just show the people where’s the safest way to go so that they won’t panic?! So much for the guards…

She also then tackles, next, the kind of talk going around and where officials could do some good by stepping in to squelch such talk, if it’s unfounded:

Yesterday the father of my brother’s friend, which is a Colonel in the military, warned us to stay away from malls because according to him there are 3 more bombs. They do not know yet where the other bombs are located. And according to him, the bomb used in Glorietta is indeed a C4. He also added that the C4 used in Glorietta was less than 2kgs and the purpose was just to scare the people. Then last night I received a text message from my friend saying, “This came from my brother Henry from the army. Wag kayo pumunta sa Global City Market Market and Makro Bicutan… All Ayala Corps subject for bombings. Ocean liners hindi pumutok kanina. Intel info yan, high alert kami…”

I don’t know whom to believe because the news hasn’t disclosed this information yet or they haven’t received the information. And the military hasn’t given any statement regarding this information. But it seems that the info is quite correct in saying that there are still 3 bombs scattered in Metro Manila. Nevertheless, I wrote this to warn other people to be vigilant.

This is the problem: much as the stories being passed around bothers people (see Oodles of Goodles and love-andy and Willie Galang.COM for examples of those who feel bothered) in the absences of official reassurances to the contrary, passing around information may be the only way the citizenry has to cope with the possible implications of the blast. Put it this way, even if the blast wasn’t due to terrorism, it raises troubling questions, as Mara Finds points out:

[B]ut what is being stored there and why it wasn’t being audited and regulated by Ayala Center is a little bit questionable because, allegedly, there is a big gasoline tank sitting right under the mall and empty fuel cylinders being stored there.

What, they can’t find alternative storage solutions that they have to choose storing explosion hazards in the basement of a very busy mall?! While the investigators have not released a definite cause of the blast, whether it’s an accident or work of terrorist groups, it’s idiotic to give anybody or anything undue access to a large cache of volatile fuel.

There are others firmly convinced any official responsibility is improbable, even unthinkable, see Postcard Headlines.

My column today, Defeatism, is a far cry from the beautiful piece written by Patricia Evangelista in Things fall apart last Sunday:

When the soldiers were beheaded by the Abu Sayyaf, we were disgusted, violated, but we could push past it and say it’s the risk a soldier takes. It is the same for the activists and journalists, the leaders and politicians. They’re only names, mourned now, replaced by someone else’s story tomorrow. But what’s different about the Glorietta blast, in the reactions and confessions and the dozens of entries in blogs all over the Internet, is the uniform mix of fear and relief. There is no forgetting this one. The words that are repeated, in murmurs and whispers down the alleyways of cyberspace are the same. It could have been my brother. It could have been my boyfriend. It could have been my mother. It could have been me.

It could have been the girl and her father who had lunch in Luk Yuen. It could have been the boy who was planning to go to Toby’s to look at sports equipment. It could have been any of the thousands who pour out of the Ayala MRT station and flood the crossing into Glorietta. There’s no longer any sense of safety–it happened in a mall, that safe haven of the 21st century. It is the same mall where young couples hold hands while walking, the same mall so many of us who were raised in Manila have wandered into dozens of times without a thought. And in Glorietta 2, where the bomb struck, there were play areas, and toys, and children’s books, and stores for mommies-to-be. Safe? We don’t know what that means anymore.

But in my own space I had to point out one troubling aspect of the whole tragedy is that it shows no one is capable of rallying the country even in times of disaster, when the normal (and healthy) instinct of a population should be to rally around the flag. I’ve learned that readers only react to columns when they disagree, and so I wasn’t surprised when some readers took exception with my generally praising the police: but it is really too soon, to my mind, to come to any conclusions about how they’ve handled things.

As things stand, last Sunday’s Inquirer editorial asked readers to brace themselves, and pointed out something blogger Pwede Na, who has a must-read blog entry which begins with a meditation on our mall culture,

There is a direct relationship between the noise levels in a mall, the frigidity of the aircon, and the income levels of the shoppers — the poorer the clientele, the colder and louder the mall. Poor folk come to a mall to cool down, and to be entertained. They want their money’s worth!

SM North Mall leaves one half deaf after an hour, and you had better bring a sweater if you’re planning to take in a movie. The Rockwell Mall, which you can’t even get to on public transportation, goes for the very upscale shopper and is nearly silent. So, if you want powerful aircon, well, you can get that at home.

A few weeks after the new TRINOMA mall opened I realized it was not going for the same demographic as the Ayala’s Glorietta Mall in the City of Makati’s financial district. TRINOMA now leaves me almost as hearing impaired as SM North. Adjacent to a new cross-country bus terminal, TRINOMA advertises itself as a “regional mall” capturing shoppers from the provinces a few hours north of Metro Manila. You can see the probinsyanos wandering the mall, wide eyed, and hanging on to each other. ATM machines every 50 meters insure that they won’t come up short on cash before they head back to the bus terminal and the return trip to Bulacan, Tarlac, or Pampanga.

And why the public has reacted the way it has:

What is interesting is how quickly we absorb the shock, those of us who did not lose a loved one and who were not injured. On Sunday, two days after the event, we were in the SM North Mall to get some gardening supplies. The mall had about half the number of people one might normally expect for a Sunday. Barring any new bombings, I suspect the crowd will be back to normal by next Sunday.

The October 21, 2007 editorial in the Philippine Daily Inquirer notes the sadness of our country, the fact that there are so many suspects in this bombing. The real tragedy, however, is that for a great many Filipinos and other residents, including this one, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her government are among the suspects. This is not the assessment of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but of average work-a-day people.

Similar thoughts were echoed in today’s Inquirer editorial, too.

A day prior to this story, Investigators not discounting accident in Glorietta blast, word was already going around that the police were rethinking the accident angle. As well they should, since all possibilities have to be looked into. But a hypersensitive public will tend to pore over every official comment to see what it may mean when police officials say US experts unable to detect C-4 component from blast site, when perhaps all the cops are doing is trying to be more nuanced:

However, Razon said the test results could have varied because Philippine and American authorities swabbed different areas.

“The [US] tests are negative because when the US experts arrived at the blast site, they swabbed the exterior portions or the portions that were not directly at the center, or at the seat, of the explosion. That’s why it tested negative,” Razon said in Filipino.

Razon added that, “But when the PNP Crime Laboratory personnel conducted their swabs, it was in the general vicinity of the seat of the explosion.”

“That is the explanation why the swabbing of US experts showed negative results for RDX,” he said.

As it is, even as the latest is, PNP: Accident in Glorietta becoming more and more likely: No bomb components found, they better be doing their homework and dotting every i and crossing every t (and here’s how things can get misconstrued: some would ask, why doesn’t the FBI say something, then; others will say, that’s protocol, they’re guests so only Philippine officials will talk; how to resolve it? Officials should say if protocol’s at work or what to expect by way of an official statement from foreign observers).

Inner Sanctum explores the accident theory, which he says “geek friends” proposed even when official statements started focusing on that possibility:

Over the weekend, several geek friends of mine have put forward deflagration as the probable cause of the Glorietta blast, especially after The Inquirer published a composite image of the blast site inside the Glorietta 2 lobby.

According to them, deflagration is just like a gigantic fart, wherein tremendous gas pressure is released similar to a gas-powered canon–meaning, in one direction–as opposed to the ripple effect of a bomb.

Philippine Commentary who seemed morally convinced the blast was terrorist-related, goes to greater lengths and points to GexCon, a gas explosion consultancy, whose handbook does make interesting reading. but not everyone is quick to embrace this possibility.

However, Chemical experts doubt new blast theory:

Ernesto dela Cruz and Wilfredo Jose, both professors in chemical engineering, faculty members and students said it was unlikely that a leak from the tank containing thousands of liters of diesel at the mall’s basement caused the blast.

The engineers said diesel is not a volatile substance and will not explode as a liquid at any rate. They said it has to be in a gaseous state and has to vaporize before it can explode.

They said that for diesel to vaporize, it has to be heated to up to more than 200 degrees Celsius inside a diesel engine.

Dela Cruz, Jose and the others also said that it would also be impossible that methane gas that allegedly leaked from the mall’s septic tank caused the blast.

The experts, however, said that methane explodes only if ignited. They said a mixture of five to 15 percent methane and 85 percent oxygen may explode when lit.

They added that the mixture should contain a substantial amount of chemical components to reach a blast magnitude similar to the one at the mall on Friday afternoon.

The professors said they doubt that there was enough methane inside the Glorietta 2 sewer to fuel the explosion that reached up to the building’s roof three stories from the basement.

They also said that the rate of reaction would have to be quick to attain an explosion with impact. There should also have been a bad odor, much like that of rotten eggs, if the cause of the blast was indeed methane gas.

More convincing is Tongue In, Anew:

If the diesel tank, which by the way is almost always filled especially in applications such as malls and other establishments frequented by many people, did cause the huge explosion, it should have been blown beyond recognition. Generators used for critical applications such as Glorietta’s are typically run with and without load weekly both automatically then manually for about fifteen minutes just to make sure the Genset (engine + alternator/dynamo w/ Auto-start/Auto-shutdown circuits) and the electrical controls (Automatic Transfer Switch, Paralleling Switchgear, etc.) will work in the event a real power interruption (brownout) does occur. It also ensures that the batteries are recharged regularly. Without batteries, generators are worthless. This regular process, called Plant Exercise, makes it imperative that the fuel tank/s are always filled to its upper limits. Meaning very little space for compression and combustion in the tank’s upper chamber.

What did the pictures show? A fuel tank standing perfectly by itself, except for a small hole and with a portion of the top cover appearing to me as intentionally pried open. The tank did not appear to have “bloated” or puffed out as it should be if it had exploded from inside. The small hole? It looks to me like it was there all the time. Maybe a vent punched out by maintenance for pressure release. This is necessary especially if the fuel delivery pipes to the engine operate by gravity (think pressurized water tanks vs. gravity tanks).

Or it could have been used as inspection hole to check fuel level either visually or by using a dipstick. Some tanks usually have level indicators using a transparent plastic tubing stretched vertically outside with both ends connected to metal tubes welded at the top and bottom of the tank’s side. The level outside is the same inside since liquids seek their own level. But since this type of indication is neither rigid nor durable, at some time maintenance people disable this and use the more reliable dipstick method.

Again, the metal plate that this hole was created in did not look dented in nor puffed out that would have indicated any explosion either coming directly from the top or from the inside, respectively.

I now also remember talking to military officers from the Electronics group called AFPCES some years back who wanted me to design and build diesel tanks thick enough to repel bullets. I was told the NPAs use AFPCES’ tanks for target practice (including soldiers climbing their antenna masts) but when I asked how many have died in the explosions, I was told the bullets just punctured the tanks and at worst, it would deprive them of a week’s supply of diesel but no explosions. Either I was watching too many cowboy movies at the time or totally ignorant to have asked that.

Who also explores the sewage tank angle:

From what little I know about sewage treatment plants (I designed and installed electrical controls including semi-automation modules for, what do you know? A high-rise 5-star Hotel and a mall complex!), the Laguna Lake Development Authority (LLDA)- if your establishment spills a huge volume of effluent towards the Laguna Lake or any of its tributary rivers, or the DENR – if your sewers lead to floodways or esteros flowing to any of the seas in Luzon, sewage treatment plants (STPs) ARE required by either gov’t offices before Environmental and Sanitation Permits are issued, thus construction permits are withheld in their absence. A mall the size of Glorietta, or the whole Makati Commercial Complex or Ayala Center as it is now called, IS required to operate a Sewage Treatment Plant.

Two possibilities, therefore. Either Glorietta has its own or it pumps its sewage into a central STP operated by Ayala Center. If not, then either LLDA or DENR did not do its job here. Or were bribed. In the late nineties, 2 or 3 malls/condos in the Ortigas-Shaw corridor were issued Cease and Desist Orders by LLDA because they were found pumping sewage straight to the city lines. They were heavily fined and closed temporarily until they constructed their own STPs. At least, that’s what the papers said.

What does an STP do?

To simplify, it first screens solids out of the influent waste from the mall, breaks down into “digestible” size large sediments like a giant blender with many agitator blades at the bottom of the tank; then pumps all of it into an aeration tank where air produced by big fan blowers is pumped from under the sludge, making aerobic bacteria digest organic waste. The next tanks would separate liquid from the remaining sludge. Liquid undergoes chlorination before the effluent is released to the city sewers while the remaining sludge repeats the process. This is where methane gas is produced. In large quantities, it may be dangerous as 14% methane mixed with oxygen explodes when ignited. Some large STPs use the gas to heat and dissolve the sludge but in this size (Glorietta’s) there is not enough methane produced to install a collector-burner stage. Abroad, it is common in city-size STPs but of the 3 private-owned medium-sized STPs I’ve worked on in the past, I have not seen one with a methane collector-burner stage, much less one that exploded.

It would be stupid likewise that Glorietta, or Ayala for that matter, would maintain a large septic vault holding raw sewage under one of its public buildings. They employ the finest architectural firms in the world to design their projects, any firm of that caliber would definitely not skip the basic requirements in their designs. So will sanitation and safety engineers, too. Even our houses’ pozo negros have vent pipes with which to “breathe” out the gas. Further, Methane does not stay stable for long. It breaks down into Hydrogen Sulfide which is a very toxic gas. We haven’t heard anyone die of gas poisoning in Glorietta prior to the incident, have we? Instead, what many witnesses and victims smelled was a gunpowder-like odor. Or in one victim’s words, “amoy-paputok”, which is characteristic of a C4 blast. A explosion caused by methane could be preceded or followed by flames and we haven’t heard of any such thing in Glorietta. Let’s take a look at the simplified chemical equation of burning methane in ordinary air:

CH4 + 2(O2 + 3.76N2) = 2H2O + CO2 + 2(3.76N2 + energy

where energy may be all or combination of Sound/Heat/Light/Shockwave

It is standard that explosion relief vents are constructed in STPs, more so one under a Generator room. The Generator Room itself, depending on the size and quantity of gensets, may have several exhaust fans to evacuate the hot air around the engines, the cooling system’s radiators (or water pipes to the external cooling towers for large installations), and the exhaust mufflers. I will not accept any excuse that the generator room is a totally contained/enclosed one, meaning a sealed vault where the operators can die from fumes inhalation either from the fuel or the engine exhaust. It is therefore safe to conclude that the generator room was well ventilated. Blast waves and shock waves cannot be produced like that as in Glorietta (blasting through the flooring up to the 4th floor) if it was not a sealed container.

Now, a room that has many vents and openings, doors, windows, vents, etc. should have allowed the smell at least of the foul-odored sewage, or methane gas, or hydrogen sulfide (when methane breaks down) and it would have been detected earlier by Ayala personnel or reported by shoppers. Any reports? Nothing I’m sure.

That being the case, and all the foregoing arguments here from my raw experience and stock knowledge, all debunks either the methane or diesel theory or the combination of both.

And from the layman’s point of view, Uniffors points out, however,

Remember a few years ago, there was a methane gas explosion from an underground sewage pipe in the street fronting the DFA office in Roxas Blvd. The blast was so powerful it tore up the pavement and sent a car a few feet airborne, but there was [no] fire.

Journal of the Jester-in-Exile tries to tie all the information together (read the whole thing):

Back to wrapping up a few things. In the next episode of CSI: Makati, I’ll be talking about my hypothesis on the why, as a follow-up to the how, the Glorietta blast occurred. Let’s face it — it takes a lot to ignite diesel and methane vapor, even in a confined environment, and the confined environment itself has factors that militate against the ignition of the flammable vapor (e.g., the velocity of the aircon exhaust roiling and disturbing the air inside the confined environment, the absence of any pressurization in the diesel tank or septic tank that would cause flammable vapor to accumulate much too rapidly for the vapor to be dispersed into outside air). Thus, it seems to me that it’s fairly unlikely that this was a simple case of an industrial accident.

Okay, it MAY BE an industrial accident, but it was probably STAGED.

American blogger Left Flank says American troops here on exercises might be playing it too cool (while prudently keeping safe) but also says,

The most ridiculous commentary on Filipino politics, though might be this: “An alternative theory in the investigation into the Makati bombing is that it was accidentally set off by incendiary material inside the building.”

Make that clumsy employee president!

One news item shows how intense emotions have gotten: Kin of Glorietta victims ask Arroyo for justice, not cash. And Twilight Zone news stories just adds to the unease: Calls to Rajah Solaiman diverted to Rep. Biazon’s cell phone.

In the end, I have to say ahnnabanana makes a good point:

A lot of friends overseas are writing about how glad they are that they left because they heard about the recent Glorietta bombing. How the Filipinos have grown apathetic and indifferent to such tragedies. That they’re so safe in America blah blah blah. I don’t think we’re apathetic. We feel bad about it, yes. But realistically, what is there to do about it? Protest with signs that say “STOP THE BOMBINGS”? Stay in our houses and not go to malls forever? Cry to show that we’re affected? Hold prayer rallies? Of course people will still go to work. Of course life will go on. When it happened I was doing a show in Greenbelt, the mall right beside Glorietta. Yesterday I had one, today I had two shows. Something like this can happen anywhere. A bomb can be assembled inside a mall with materials bought inside a mall. And where did the Columbine and Virginia tech shooting happen again? America, right? I’m not trying to go on this self-righteous, nationalistic high horse. My point is NO PLACE IS SAFE, not even first-world countries. It pisses me off when people are proud to be Filipino when something good happens like Pacquiao winning some boxing match then disown the country when something bad happens.

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484 thoughts on “Evidence (updated)

  1. “ram,
    I’ll explain later the reason why I’m asking. Based from your experience and in your heart of hearts. Can a PMAer be a snitch against his mistahs?” – qwert

    Yes. But its not called “snitching” if its true and has basis, its called “not tolerating.”

  2. “I think the working Pinoy still has no personal connection with the taxes that he pays. JEG”

    The more tragic thing is that the government does not feel
    its accountability for the proper use of taxpayer’s money.The national coffer is viewed as the perosnal account of the powers that be!

  3. juan miguel, walang mang gagago kung walang gago. kung hindi kapani-paniwala, huwag paniwalaan, di ba? nasa saiyo yun!

  4. Manindigan: The national coffer is viewed as the perosnal account of the powers that be!

    Kasi nga tingin nila wala namang pumapalag e, so ok lang daw. Naknantokwa.

  5. tonio, re guingona, this ksp old man is again trying to grab center stage. why can’t he just cut it out, and start thinking wala na siyang asim. with this new gimmick, he is all wet as when he was hosed down at mendiola.

  6. walang mang gagago kung walang gago. kung hindi kapani-paniwala, huwag paniwalaan, di ba? nasa saiyo yun!

    Pareho lang GAGO ang oposisyon at administrasyon! ginagago
    tayong lahat!

  7. ram,
    thanks for your response,MBW and I, had a discussion about this issue last night and the reason why I ask. See the above postings.

  8. Manindigan

    Agree ako sa last comment mo…it’s all a farce and most of the Filipino people lap it up. Why do you think we listen to the radio or watch TV on those political telenovelas??

    Honestly, nag bebeso beso naman ang mga iyan when out of the limelight. A I said, it’s just a game of musical chairs.

  9. Jeg,

    mayroon pumapalag paminsanminsan gaya nung nanay ng namatay. Ang kailangan daw nya ay hindi envelope or trabaho kundi hustisya.

    si Clarissa Ocampo pumalag.

    yun mga accountant sa comelec pumalag nuong mandaya si Macoy. Si Trillanes at mga kasamahan nya ay pumalag. pati na si Chavit pumalag. dadami rin yan.

    “you are no good for anything other than verbally assaulting and ridiculing the president.” – Bencard

    Arroyo is no president. ask Garci and Abalos. They know.

  10. Juan Miguel Alonzo,

    The LPP is a powerful and very tight knit block, I don’t know if its GMA or one of her cabinet/staff, but whoever he/she is, knows a lot about the group dynamics of politics and formal/informal groups.

    I have to admit it, GMA is not a simpleton, if we equate “genius” not just on IQ but practical application then “achievements” should not be ruled out. She’s smart, no, more than that, she’s a “genius,” she reached the presidency (not all of us can do that), the sooner we accept that and respect it, the better for us as the opposition to handle the situation. She/administration seems to get away with impugnity because the opposition continously underestimates her, a tactical mistake. So they don’t prepare their cases properly, they talk in advance (telegraphing their moves), are not capable of anticipating possible defense, and are prone to be emotional when they should be in control.
    Sometimes I wonder, are our opposition senators/congressmen really with us in getting rid of GMA? Or are they just waiting to get a chance of being president themselves? One indicator is, if they see an advantage siding with the administration – they jump to it.

  11. “Sometimes I wonder, are our opposition senators/congressmen really with us in getting rid of GMA? Or are they just waiting to get a chance of being president themselves? One indicator is, if they see an advantage siding with the administration – they jump to it.”

    INs versus OUTs.in 2010 ,it will be pro and anti Pres Villar
    (or somebody else) blogging their hearts out.We are SUCKERS!

  12. qwert,

    Yes I read the earlier threads. Their is landmark study on PMA and the evolution (or opposite) of the military in the Philippines that will explain why our generals are behaving strangely.
    Those that graduated in the early 40’s seem to have been a different breed than the ones during Marcos’ time. If you’ve read the lamentations of the old guards you’ll also get an idea. The “politicised” generation has a distorted view of the military in society, so “honor” is can be turned on and off depending on applicability. but still the rationalizaton is “to save the Filipinos from themselves,” even resorting to torture and coups to attain this, a far cry from the “professionalism” and respect of civilian rule of the ’40s.

  13. It was Rizal, no less who uttered this words:
    “the slaves of today will just be the tyrants of tomorrow”

    But my suking barber,Isko is more philosophical:
    “weather, weather lang ‘yan”…

    But we must keep on fighting for what is right, for our conscience sake and peace of mind…

  14. she reached the presidency (not all of us can do that) – ramrod

    Not all of us are the president’s daughter. What other sterling qualification does Ate Glue have except like Marcos makapal ang mukha nya?

    En da pilipins, pag makapal ang mukha mo at kaya mong magsinungaling without blinking your eyes or blushing . . . at anak ka ng tatay mo, puede kang pag-presidente.

  15. The Americans taught our soldiers to be professionals. They also taught them to be torturers. (watchful watchfully glancing at DJB)

  16. “Shaman,

    “But if we dont take the league ’s owning it whatelse we could?” reg0

    The League’s belated admission is just implausible. After all the denials by Gov. Evardone and Gov. de Campos, the top honchos of LPP immediately after the scandal broke out, here they are spinning a yarn just because they have themselves in a very tight spot. If you only heard the interviews this morning over the radio of Gov. Evardone and Gov. Reyes, the more they talk, the more they get entangled in their web of lies. Rizal Gov. Ynares, the LPP Treasurer, does not even know about the supposed disbursement. Governors Evardone and Reyes even feigned ignorance of the bank(s) LPP uses. Aren’t they supposed to sign checks as top officers of the League? Aren’t they supposed to know where the League’s money is kept? They are so ruthless that they are now heaping the blame for the “lapse” kuno of the LPP Secretariat on the poor LPP Executive Director.

    This belated “alibi” is a clear cover-up to divert attention from Malacanang, where the cash-giving happened

    We don’t have to believe anything now yet. Let there be an honest-to-goodness independent investigation of this scandal. After all, people’s money was involved. Even LPP’s money came from provincial governments’ funds in the form of annual dues.

    Meanwhile, we may have our own tentative opinions based on the circumstances of the cash-giving and subsequent events. That’s normal for people with the faculty of critical thinking, and I know that you’re one of them.

  17. “En da pilipins, pag makapal ang mukha mo at kaya mong magsinungaling without blinking your eyes or blushing . . . at anak ka ng tatay mo, puede kang pag-presidente.”

    Watchful i:

    the basic qualifications of an effective president of this country:

    1)be a natural born opportunist:look for the weakness of opponents.Exploit them.

    2)you don’t have to be a real patriot.every crisis is just a photo-op.every dirty hand you shake is just another vote.

    3)have a natural disdain for others.why should others be respected since everybody has a price(hence the bribes).

    4)co-opt the bishops(ban condoms),court Mike Velarde(give him real estate deals)

    5)co-opt the military generals.more importantly,THEIR WIVES who have their own ranks and pecking order also.

    6)co-opt the opposition through secret deals.

    7)Pardon ex-presidents to buy insurance for the future verdict on you.

    8)TRY to co-opt even GOD;pretend to be “pious” when there are phot-ops in church.always invoke “God is always on my side)

    9)Be a LIAR and surround yourself with other brazen liars.

    10)Most importantly,forget about history’s verdict.TODAY,TODAY,TODAY is more important.

    Only in the Philippines..Ay naku

  18. ramrod,
    yes i believe gma is a genius. an evil genius, but genius nonetheless. as for LPP, i will not be surprised if they’ve already ante-dated all the resolutions and paper trails necessary to support their story. i agree with you that we really have to prepare the cases properly against gma and her minions. the statements made by LPP’s president and treasurer that the monies did not come from LPP are at the very least considered by the rules of evidence as prior inconsistent statements. These can be considered in future cases which can be filed. I don’t know if they can also be classified as admissions against interests.
    Yes beyond press conferences and pa pogi points, the true battle lies in gathering and preparing all evidence necessary to pin dowm gma and her minions.

  19. It is gratifying for the financial markets that Ayala Land has announced that the loss of revenues from the recent explosion will be minimal. Cost of reconstruction will be around Php100M. Life goes on. Ayala Land still a good buy so go out and support the economy and keep buying stocks.

    Everything is back to normal as GMA did her part yesterday to make sure you go back on the weekend and spend your money in Glorietta to keep the boom going.

    Please stand by for the blast damage sale which is sure to happen. Life goes on. People got to get back to work and pay the bills. Most of those sales people do not get paid when stores are shut down.

  20. Manindigan,

    Puede mo nang palitan si Puno. haha

    And lintek na yan, hangang ngayon ay hindi pa makalaboso. Kung minsan, gusto ko nang maniwala kay BenigO.

  21. The lawyers that sacrificed for years and gave up so much in what they could have earned in private practice just so we could see that justice is applicable to all – even Presidents, are probably so frustrated right now. If lawyers like these from the private practice start being cynical about justice in the Philippines we will be left with what? Pardoning Estrada would have the effect of “throwing eggs in their faces.” Where was Puno during the impeachment process of Estrada? Come to think of it, what did he contribute to the preservation of Philippine democracy?

  22. “i will not be surprised if they’ve already ante-dated all the resolutions and paper trails necessary to support their story.”

    then that means the recipients should corroborate by being explicit in their need for the cash gift, which the resolution should carry. this discretionary monkey business should stop.

  23. “Please stand by for the blast damage sale which is sure to happen.” hrvds

    hrvds, are you serious about this sale? because I’m going?

  24. “As I’ve said, most PMAers don’t do things against their fellow mistahs openly.” – mbw

    True. Unless you’re running for senate.

  25. gma to puno to erap (*sing*): “we are family!”

    ang tanong bencard: sino ang gago, at sino ang nagpapagago?

  26. Genius talaga si Gloria. No one compares to her being a cheat, liar, thief and a m….rer in Phil history.

  27. ramrod: di’ba may pecking order din ang mga wives ng mag general? the wife of esperon will be considered of a higher rank by the other wives?lol

  28. “Where was Puno during the impeachment process of Estrada? Come to think of it, what did he contribute to the preservation of Philippine democracy?” – ramrod

    Nothing. His contribution is to its destruction.

  29. give “peace” a chance naman!

    P:uno
    E:speron
    A:Arroyo
    C:havit
    E:rap

    Hey, hey, the PEACE gang’s all here!

  30. “ramrod: di’ba may pecking order din ang mga wives ng mag general? the wife of esperon will be considered of a higher rank by the other wives?lol” – Manindigan!

    I think there is. Esperon is the most henpecked of all the generals.

  31. I’ve amusedly been reading the exchange of Devilsadvc8 and cvj. It really keeps me thinking a lot.

    In two EDSA’s we have experienced pain and a bit of catharsis but NEVER a rebirth.

    Hindi gago ang Pinoy. The reason I think there’s no indignation despite all these pang-gagago is that many of us are so unsure whether there will ever be a rebirth for our country after yet another EDSA.

    It’s not that GMA is a genius or Puno is the greatest of political tacticians. The Filipinos are just better.

    Filipinos want an answer to this question: How will a re-born Philippines look like? It seems this dilemma is playing well for GMA for now.

  32. shaman:Ronnie d’Puno has been associated with all Philippine
    presidents since marcos(with the exception of Tita cory).

    He has handled the dirty sideof the elections(in sulo hotel) of marcos,ramos,erap and gloria.

  33. SHAMANAround the world(Save the Monks in BURMA),women are sending their dirty,used panties to burmese generals via the Burmese embassies.The generals find it culturally offensive to get used panties!

    idea for Esperon?

  34. Manindigan!,

    The sending of dirty panties as a shame gesture is not in our culture. I’m afraid, if women start sending their used panties to Esperon, he might just have fun smelling them. Then, he would get it worse from the doctora. But, on second thought, it might just really be a good idea. The doctora might just finally do him in.

  35. “He has handled the dirty sideof the elections”

    Exactly, Manindigan! He’s destroying democracy.

  36. hvrds:

    argh. you just got me thinking…depending on the reports of the engineers… they may now be able fully rebuild G2, instead of building around Goldcrest which is how they dealt with it in the first place…

  37. I agree with Shaman re panties, some soldiers, even officers, heck cadets even, wear their girlfriends’ panties sometimes to remember or at least have the semblance of being close to them. Strange but true, though I’m not admitting through personal experience.

  38. Watchful, i agree with you na hindi gago ang Pinoy. Proof of that is our reaction after the bombings. If we rallied around the flag (like the Americans did after 9/11), then i would have thought otherwise. As it is, we had a more sensible response so those who would seek to manipulate us were forced to back down and change direction.

    I think the perception that Filipinos are gullible people comes from an air of superiority common among elitists. They think that they belong to a superior category, a different breed set apart from the rest of the people. Benign0 may represent the pinacle of this mindset but he is by no means alone.

  39. Shame campaign ? pwede rin. But Id rather go with bencard s legal way. Once you sucessfully proved the wrong doing in court/ tapos na ang buto buto.

    come to think of it, andami nang shame campaign na gianwa dati. Rallies , peopel court sa UP at sa Hague, complain sa UN, name calling, atbp at atbp/

    Why not just focus on the gather strong evidence, drafting very the impeachment complaint and realy strategize the

  40. n two EDSA’s we have experienced pain and a bit of catharsis but NEVER a rebirth.

    Hindi gago ang Pinoy. The reason I think there’s no indignation despite all these pang-gagago is that many of us are so unsure whether there will ever be a rebirth for our country after yet another EDSA.

    It’s not that GMA is a genius or Puno is the greatest of political tacticians. The Filipinos are just better.

    Filipinos want an answer to this question: How will a re-born Philippines look like? It seems this dilemma is playing well for GMA for now.

    Of course the answer to that would largely depend on the Filipino people themselves. If and when we decide to finally wake up again. Of course there won’t be instant solutions, no immediate cure-alls, but there can be a good start. Personally, I believe that ridding ourselves of this lying, cheating, stealing, drunk-with-power, morally-bankrupt administration is a damn good start.

    Sabi nga, try and try until we succeed. We can’t just give up, even if it seems that the odds are against genuine, meaningful change right now. Coz what’s the alternative? Hayaan na lang ng pinoy ang patuloy na pagnanakaw, pandaraya, pag-abuso sa kapangyarihan, at katakot-takot na pagsisinungaling ng kasalukuyang administrasyon? Ad infinitum?

    Kung hindi ngayon, kailan pa?

  41. the filing of the complaint in congress par hindi maunahan ng imga katulad ni Oliver Lozan, Pulido at iba pa?

  42. Hey guys,
    Something to talk about.

    Ayala Land refutes PNP report, says methane blast unlikely
    PATRICIA DE LEON, GMANews.TV
    10/24/2007 | 12:50 PM

    Results of a technical study conducted by the Ayala Land Inc. (ALI), the owner of the Glorietta 2 mall in Makati City, indicated that a methane gas was the unlikely cause of the mall blast last week.

    In a press conference, ALI President and Chief Executive Officer Jaime Augusto Zobel de Ayala, quoting results of the company’s technical team study into the explosion, on Wednesday said there could not have been an accumulation of high methane gas levels in the mall’s basement since wastes coming from the mall stays in the sump pit for less than 24 hours.

    Ayala also said there was nothing out of the ordinary with the mall’s sewerage system prior to the blast, contrary to police’s pronouncement that there was a leak that had to be fixed.

    “There is constant flow of mainly liquid wastewater from toilets into sump pit and onto city sewer. Wastewater entering the pit stays in pit for less than 24 hours. The usual decomposition process brought about by large amounts of sold matter in house septic tanks does not occur in this pit,” Ayala said, reading from results of the company’s technical team study.

    Ayala said the company is waiting for the results of investigations conducted by local authorities and foreign experts before it makes a final assessment on the mall explosion.

    The executive, however, declined to answer questions on the site of the explosion saying they have been given “very limited access to site”.

    The company’s study supported the opinion of Dr. Ernesto dela Cruz, chairman of UP Chemical Engineering Department, who said it was highly improbable that diesel fumes caused the explosion, contrary to the theory being pursued by police investigators.

    Dela Cruz said it was almost impossible to have an accumulation of diesel fumes in the mall basement, saying diesel will not evaporate until it reaches the temperature of 210 degrees Celsius which is hotter than boiling water.

    Also, Dela Cruz said that from what he saw from footages taken shortly after the explosion, the smoke emanating from the blast site was “white smoke”. If it were a diesel explosion, the smoke should have been black, Dela Cruz said.

    According to police investigators, diesel fumes and methane gas that have accumulated in the mall basement could have triggered the blast, after these were ignited by a spark from a switch in the basement. This angle has led to the theory that the blast was accidental. – GMANews.TV

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