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By mlq3 Posted in Daily Dose on August 3, 2007 153 Comments 1 min read
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Yvonne Chua and Luz Rimban’s Radio error did Marines in: Reinforcements can’t contact troops on the ground, makes for horrifying reading.

You may want to take a look at the PowerPoint presentation of Cielito Habito, NEDA Director-General during the Ramos administration, on the state of the economy. The data he discusses comes from official figures:
PDI Talk.ppt

Food for thought.

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  1. mlq3,

    One of Ciel Habito’s deepest insights last week on the Explainer was the nature of our underemployed and unemployed workforce as being below high school education. Because of this, he thinks that TOURISM is a great solution, because that is one industry that can create many jobs quickly that can be filled by our lowly educated unemployed.

    The end of our insurgencies (without giving away most of the good tourist spots in Mindanao or agreeing to Joma Totalitarianism in the North) would immediately make the Philippines the Tourism Capital of Asia for all those continent weary Indians and Chinese.

    But nooooh! We are determined to have peace talks for the next century and beyond. who cares about the unemployed christians, muslims and lumads. but there’s plenty of jobs in the liberation armies of today and tomorrow. It’s just that they have to SAW OFF their salaries, sometimes.

  2. DJB,

    “Fair enough. But it does beg the question. Are there justiciable crimes under HSA 2007 relative to the Basilan July 10 incident?
    That example about some one running into a restaurant and blowing himself up without “making an illegal demand” was a failed attempt at reductio ad absurdum by Neri Colmenares, on a show with Tina Monson Palma. That is NOT what the definition means, and several posts on PC have explained in detail the elements of (1) crime under existing law; (2) political motives and demands; (3) intent to sow fear or panic;”

    Except that the definition is clear. Demands are an essential, vital element of that definition.

    I think what we are going to see here is the best proof that the crime committed by those bandits is already covered under existing laws.

    This is the reason why you are moving heaven and earth to force fit the beheadings into the anti-terror law.

    Well, it don’t fit the shoe because the big toe, demands, is missing.

    Stick to the revised penal code. It’s cleaner, safer and friendlier to human rights than your silly anti-terror law.

  3. Or you can go back to the drawing boards and redefine it so it covers the Basilan beheadings.

  4. Off topic but horrifying nevertheless. Pinoys building the US Embassy in Baghdad were taken there against their will:

    An American civilian contractor has described scenes of panic and hysteria last year as Filipino construction workers were told that they were on a plane bound for Baghdad rather than Dubai.

    Passengers jumped out of their seats screaming in protest until a gun-toting air steward ordered them to sit down, claimed Rory Mayberry, an emergency medical technician travelling on the same flight.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2199263.ece

  5. Today marks the 62nd anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima that resulted to the instant vaporizing of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians.

    Was Harry S. Truman a terrorist?

  6. Thanks DJB for the clarification,

    as to the law I think I have shared my thoughts on that on your blog even way back,it is hard to comment further
    being a confessed son of a man who has done a lot of behind the scenes work in our military affairs.

    Even my teka teka coment was against the comment publicly stated by the senator my dad is currently working for and I just wanted it out of my chest.

  7. But, INE, the target was civilian, not military.

    And were Hiroshima and Nagasaki really necessary? Japan was on the verge of surrender.

  8. So let us all blame it on the rain,then!

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki,vis a vis the war on teror…

    not even the 20/20 hind sight theory works on this.

  9. “Japan was on the verge of surrender.”

    you’re right on this point.

    so uncle sam just wanted to make sure he understood his lessons in molecular physics, kinda like, “and this? what’s this red button here for?”

  10. “UP is a state university.

    See the definition of public education in wikipedia. Kaklase mo si Bibs?

    And Jolibee is in Daly City that time and not in San Francisco.

    Panay ka pa rin, pabilib kahit clueless ka.”
    ========

    Tsk tsk. Looks like you haven’t really grown up since PinoyExchange.

    You still:

    (1) Quote straight from textbooks; and,

    (2) Engage in alternick speculation.

    Stidi ka lang diyan. You need to take your medication before your tililing rampage here gets worse.

    As a backgrounder for those who need to dig a bit deeper on the the “Cat”‘s pathological condition (multiple posts with little substance and all that), check out this article:

    http://www.apmforum.com/columns/orientseas47.htm

    Look for the excerpt starting with this paragraph:

    ==============
    “After that intervention, and after a particularly scathing, point-by-point rebuttal posted by yours truly (in my full John Wayne reactionary mode), Madcat flipped out, going into what the Get Real gang refers to as a “tililing” rampage:…”
    ==============

    – 😉

  11. ” Today marks the 62nd anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima that resulted to the instant vaporizing of tens of thousands of Japanese civilians.”

    All I have to do is remember the stories my grandparents used to tell me about what it was like during World War II. Everytime I do, it just gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling that tells me; Yes I am glad those bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

  12. “BrianB, i think the Christian majority should demonstrate the wisdom of turning the other cheek. Now would be a good opportunity to do that.”

    CVJ,

    Would you if I did the same to you?

  13. On Tourism,

    Last Saturday my Australian co-worker said she was curious about the Philippines and she had wanted to come visit. But then she did a little research and found out 70% of the tourists were men, implying of course that they were going for sex tourism. I felt like I was slapped in the face, and so I asked her where she got the figure. She said Lonely Planet. Obviously, she is not the kind of tourist we have been attracting.

    Depending on who made the study there are between 100,000 to 500,000 sex workers in the Philippines today. A number of them are children.

    Its an ugly, ugly picture.

  14. As a backgrounder for those who need to dig a bit deeper on the the “Cat”’s pathological condition (multiple posts with little substance and all that), check out this article:

    So what’s the definition of public education system Benigno?

    So far one”bibs” poster turned out to be an alternick of a regular.

    Like you, you continue to discuss economics when you haven’t given background about yoursef, even as I corrected your wrong economic principles. You merely mouthed ad hominems and switched to different alternicks to impress that there are a lot of you. Even your website
    claims “about US” when it is just you. hahaha

    See what happened to “VIC” and “Bibs”.

    Imagine an “American” juvenile pretending to be studying in a Canadian public education system” and using the handle of an uncle discussed with me the Canadian education system?

    That’s an insult to readers’ intelligence.

    And you Benigno, up to now you haven’t given your profile
    and yet you insult all Filipinos.

    How is it being branded as troll spammer and banned in several forums to promote your stale economic data?

    1995 pa yong data mo.

    Ow that expat guy, he rallied heaven an earth to oust me. I just hope that I had a website before, I could have a lots of hits.

  15. “All I have to do is remember the stories my grandparents used to tell me about what it was like during World War II. Everytime I do, it just gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling that tells me; Yes I am glad those bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki”

    So, one’s terroristic act is another’s heroic act?

    So, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder?

    So, terrorism is not evil, per se, depending on who is being terrorized?

  16. Stidi ka lang diyan Cat.

    That expat you mentioned – Clarence Henderson – has far more credentials than I do. But that didn’t stop you from treating him the way you did, nor did it give you any reason to reflect on and conduct your discussion with him solely on the basis of the ISSUES.

    Which leads me to the point I’ve made often enough in cyberspace (most often when it comes to Pinoy-style “discussion”):

    Does the existence or lack of “credentials” on the part of a messenger NECESSARILY validate or invalidate his message?

    Then again seeing the quality of your posts here, it seems you are still in a state of intellectual (and mental) health that undoubtedly hinders any comprehension of such concepts on your part.

    As I said: Stidi ka lang diyan. 😉

  17. jeg:all three – Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki – were certainly war crimes, and all three should be remembered as such, if only to remind us never to go down that road again. the fact that one killed more should be no reason to ignore the others.

  18. The definition/s of terrorism does have its controversies, but here’s the way I look at it; We were at war, and I thank God that Nazi Germany or Japan did not have that technology at the time. And yes, pay back is a bitch.

    ” So, one’s terrorist act is another’s heroic act?
    So, terrorism is in the eye of the beholder?
    So, terrorism is not evil, per se, depending on who is being terrorized? ”

    These are all very good points, and here’s my 2 cents;

    The real world is not as pretty as unicorns and rainbows with people singing and holding hands. There are people who will strap on and detonate a suicide vest in a public market to kill as many men, women and children as possible because of whatever convictions they have, and there are people who see these retards as heroes because of their shared convictions and belief in guaranteed entry to heaven accompanied by them luscious virgins. So if we put it this way, I guess others can regard a brainwashed retard as a hero and terrorism is in the eye of the beholder.

  19. Like bibs said, si C at talaga!! did you check who bibs is? bibs is real, and actually she has her own blog, but won’t give it, lest you mount an “intellectual attack” against a 17 years old and that would be a waste of your precious time. I also would like to suggest that you could be better off do a paragraph, statement by statement analysis of the works of famous writers and critiques them just like you do the comments of the blogsites you visited, that way they might learn that they are still lacking some knowledge of what they do best. start with Rowling’s Harry Potter…si C at talaga..

  20. BrianB, i don’t know what i will do when that time comes. However, we all know Christ’s teachings on this matter. Now is the time for those who profess to be Christians to try to act the part.

    We should learn from the United States’ bitter experience after 9/11. The American public got carried away with their bloodlust after the attacks that they supported the rash decision to invade Iraq. Having less resources than the USA, i don’t think we have the luxury of being stuck in a quagmire.

    PTT, the problem with Hiroshima, Dresden and other such acts is that we (the allies) punished our enemies’ innocents as retribution for what they did to our own innocents.

  21. ” the problem with Hiroshima, Dresden and other such acts is that we (the allies) punished our enemies’ innocents as retribution for what they did to our own innocents. ”

    War has never been nice and pretty. Hiroshima and Dresden was an unfortunate necessity at the time.

  22. Benigno,
    you’re back to your old habits again. Skirting the issue by posting links that are not even relevant to the topic.

    So how do you define public education system in the Philippines? That’s the issue.

    That expat you mentioned – Clarence Henderson – has far more credentials than I do.

    I feel uncomfortable talking about people who are not supposed to be discussed in this forum.

    If he’s indeed what you say he is, how come he was going to Ayala to petition my ouster from the Ayala-owned pex (that time) claiming that he knew him personally.

    Parang bata di va?

    Sumbong-sumbong.

    But I suggest Benigno, publish your credentials. It’s overdue so that readers may have a reason to believe your pps (hahaha) presentation rather than that of Habito. Habito’s based on at least the recent data. Yours is (hohum) more than ten years ago.

  23. CVJ,

    We don’t have to reinvent the wheel here. There’s always been war in Mindanao. In fact, believe it or not if there’s someone who really understands the MILF it’s the military.

  24. PTT, i see that you’ve shifted from ‘warm and fuzzy feeling’ to ‘unfortunate necessity’. IMHO, that’s an improvement.

    BrianB, check out Ellen’s blogsite (titled ‘Sadya Kaya?’). There’s this commenter Gokusen who has some interesting things to say.

  25. Nope, I still get that “warm fuzzy feeling” despite war’s “unfortunate necessities” I’m glad the generation at the time stepped up and managed to pull through.

  26. would japan’s UNCONDITIONAL surrender been possible without hiroshima and nagasaki? if so, at what cost in human lives from both sides and how long would it take? i agree with ptt – war is part of this world’s imperfection, and survival of the specie is the supreme law wherein man has to kill in order to survive. in the war against japan, the allies were fighting a fanatic nation where kamikase and harakiri were a “high moral duty”. how many “stragglers” were caught or killed in philippine hinterlands still fighting the war that ended decades ago? of course, they didn’t know, but less one-track minded enemy would have found a way to surrender “with honor”.

    history teaches us that an unfinished war is just a prelude to the next one more virulent. sometimes, evil must be ended by evil means. the key is to stop once the objective is attained, and redirect all endeavors towards peace for all mankind.

  27. Cat:

    Public education is education services funded by government funds provided to qualified citizens of a state governed by said government.

    Well, his transcript of what transpired speaks for itself. The important thing is that he walked away from the whole experience understanding a bit more about the underbelly of the Filipino psyche which you, it seems, embody.

    And yes, the contents of my website tend to be old. However, they remain relevant because I tend to stick to the underlying principles that are timeless classics. If you hadn’t noticed yet, even the stuff Rizal wrote about more than a century ago remain relevant. That’s how mired in stagnation Pinoy society is.

    That’s the difference between running a Website and simply blogging random thoughts the way you do. You depend on frequent updates for relevance.

    Any schmoe can do that. 😉

  28. I love the catfights here, it’s one reason that makes this blog so interesting. Well sabi nga sa Temptation Island (the campy 70s pinoy film): “What are beetches (bitches) for but to beetch around with fellow beetches?” I simply loff it.

  29. Does Habito know how? (Or does he care?)

    Where are Joe Studwell’s godfathers in Habito’s presentation? Isn’t Habito part of the culture and therefore intellectuals like him are part of the problem?

  30. “War has never been nice and pretty. Hiroshima and Dresden was an unfortunate necessity at the time.”

    So, we can expect Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden to happen again?

    What “was an unfortunate necessity at that time” can also be “an unfortunate necessity” now or in the future? What if the atom bomb were to detonate in Washington D.C. or Manila? Remember we are at “war on terror”. Par for the course? “Unfortunate necessity” for the other side?

  31. And yes, the contents of my website tend to be old. However, they remain relevant because I tend to stick to the underlying principles that are timeless classics.

    When presenting the economic status of a country you should present the most current data available.

    The website is a collection of Filipino-bashing articles. It’s not even your own ideas.
    Timeless nga.

    Only Filipinos with low self-esteem appreciate your old website. Thus, you need to make rounds to the different forums and shamelessly promote your getreal.

    Public education is education services funded by government funds provided to qualified citizens of a state governed by said government.

    So just like that “17 year old American pretending to be Canadian/and why/will/secondary/student/from/USA/get interested/in the political/affairs of the Philippines /and visit MLQ3’s website/when many/of/them/at that/age would rather/play video/games/or join social networking/– you stick to your vague definition. Neat.

    Now you remember why you hate me so much?

  32. Cat: Kaw naman. You flatter yourself too much. I never said I hated you. Whatever made you think that? In fact I have much to thank you for as you were instrumental in the rapid expansion of my site back in the early days. 😉

    What’s so vague about my definition of public education, by the way?

  33. watchful, studwell’s book points to the ramos administration as the period when at least limited monopoly-breaking and reforms took place. habito himself has spoken openly for an open skies policy (against a pal monopoly, for example) and so forth.

  34. ” So, we can expect Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden to happen again?
    What “was an unfortunate necessity at that time” can also be “an unfortunate necessity” now or in the future? ”

    I hope they don’t ever happen again but if a situation warrants this type of action, I’m all for it. Either that or we just roll over and die. Should we hope that it does not happen again and will we ever be in a situation that would warrant that need? I don’t know and I hope not. I do know that evil people exist (not the boogyman) in the real world we live in.

    What if the atom bomb were to detonate in Washington D.C. or Manila? Remember we are at “war on terror”. Par for the course? “Unfortunate necessity” for the other side?

    I hope so.

  35. “What if the atom bomb were to detonate in Washington D.C. or Manila? Remember we are at “war on terror”. Par for the course? “Unfortunate necessity” for the other side?”

    if this happens, then the next war on terrorism will be fought with sticks and stones.

  36. I do know that evil people exist (not the boogyman) in the real world we live in. – PTT

    Hasn’t it crossed your mind that you may be one of the bad guys?

  37. ” Hasn’t it crossed your mind that you may be one of the bad guys? ”

    Ahhhhh, let me put it this way; killing a fellow human being is Bad, evil and wrong. But IF I beat a guy to death by breaking every bone in his body with a hammer while I’m having him sodomized in front of his people because I saw this guy raping a 7 year old girl, would that make me an evil person? Probably. Maybe I am one of the bad guys. The type that would not have any problems sleeping at night.

  38. Ahh PTT, but the analogy you give is not exact. You’re the type who gets a ‘warm and fuzzy’ feeling seeing that rapist’s 7 year old daughter getting raped as well since it is an ‘unfortunate necessity’.

  39. si C at talaga tama na raw, tapos pinakialaman naman si bibs. Your like an “egomachosist” that once triggered can not stop transforming. another message from bibs..Sikat talaga…

  40. “You’re the type who gets a ‘warm and fuzzy’ feeling seeing that rapist’s 7 year old daughter getting raped as well since it is an ‘unfortunate necessity’. ”

    Your right, and don’t forget about the guy being hit by a hammer untill he’s dead too.

  41. I also get that warm and fuzzy feeling when I realize that men who think like you today were classified as cowards and faggots during that time. That if it were up to men like you, bowing and bending over would be the rainbow strategy in order to gain mercy from the enemy.

  42. Ahhhhh, let me put it this way; killing a fellow human being is Bad, evil and wrong. But IF I beat a guy to death by breaking every bone in his body with a hammer while I’m having him sodomized in front of his people because I saw this guy raping a 7 year old girl, would that make me an evil person?

    Yes. Definitely. Absolutely. I’m sure you know that.

  43. si C at talaga tama na raw, tapos pinakialaman naman si bibs. Your like an “egomachosist” that once triggered can not stop transforming. another message from bibs..Sikat talaga…

    Hindi ako ang nakiaalam kay bibs “handle” kung hindi ang kaniyang uncle na takot makiharap kay Pusa ng diretsahan kaya pati ang walang kamalay-malay na alternick ay ginamit.

    Pinalalabas ko lang ang mga practices ng mga duwag na commenter na lahat gagawin para makapagtago.

    hahahaha

  44. Whatever made you think that? In fact I have much to thank you for as you were instrumental in the rapid expansion of my site back in the early days.

    Oh yeah because for every rebuttal you make, you shamelessly plugged your website.

  45. “Oh yeah because for every rebuttal you make, you shamelessly plugged your website.”

    Not only that. The sheet bizarreness of the arguments you make were such fascinating cases studies. Sometimes you need to study the extreme ends of the psyche spectrum to understand the underpinnings of the mainstream.

    Regarding my “shameless” plugging, touche, of course ;). Then again, at least i am up front about my intentions in participating in such forums and (in recent years) blogs. Isn’t the blogosphere ultimately about self-promotion in the first place?

    Besides, “shamelessness” is all relative, isn’t it? It just so happens that some shameless behaviour is in fact a routinely rolerated in PEx (as Mr. Henderson can attest to). And shame does not only emanate from boorish behaviour. It also emanates from the appalling levels standards of “debate” that prevail in Pinoy discussions (again, as I mentioned earlier, yours is in fact a case study of such a sad state).

    Stidi ka lang diyan. 😉

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