Watching a (failed?) inoculation (updated!)

Went to the Bastusang Pambansa to see the action but most of it took place not on the floor, where Romulo Neri was sitting in a panel defending the CHED budget as members of congressmen took turns asking pointed questions to beef up the budgets for their districts. It was a very nerve-wracking three hours for all concerned.

Had a chance to prowl the galleries and the floor and get scuttlebutt from members of the House.

One account of this morning’s meeting at the Palace was that the main bone of contention was the upcoming baranggay elections. Congressmen were very anxious that the polls not be postponed, as it was an opportunity for them to spread goodies around. Demands were supposed to be 50,000 per kagawad or a total of 5 million for each congressman to dole out. The President had given assurances but had even been pursued with calls while she was in China, to assure that the written assurances that the polls would push through, were genuine. The badgering continued this morning, with congressmen supposedly in a foul mood and threatening mischief if the President didn’t do the doling out right there and then.

Another account was simpler, which was a Palace guarantee of 45 35 million per congressman, 25 million in “soft” pork and 10 milion in “hard” pork, whatever that means in congressional terms. In exchange, the congressmen pledged cooperation with the President in terms of pursuing her agenda.

But the figures discussed are impossible to verify (and every congressman could have been lying). The main topic of interest was, what was the Speaker going to do, and what were his options? Opinions among members of the House varied. They ranged from the Speaker had the numbers, to the President had the numbers, to the problem that Friday, it turns out, is a holiday which is why the President wanted matters settled by tonight.

The problem was that the Speaker was not inclined to refer the impeachment complaint prior to the recess. The question then was whether this would precipitate a showdown in the House, and who, exactly, had the numbers; also, there was the very real problem that if the complaint wasn’t referred prior to the break, the October 25 Senate hearing would take place, and if anything ended up revealed in that hearing, the revelations could lead to the complaint being amended and possibly fortified.

The Speaker’s options, as discussed by various sources, ranged from his having pulled a fast one last night by checking himself into the hospital for whatever reason (gastritis, LBM, etc.) and told the House to go on recess early, to his suddenly fainting in his office this afternoon and being rushed from the House in an ambulance, thus causing pandemonium, to the Mace either disappearing or being grabbed by his loyalists, thereby disrupting the session, to someone questioning the quorum, suddenly ending the session. But then the entire budget would have been imperiled.

Or the Speaker could publicly state he would not refer the complaint until the maximum period allowed, November 11.

Or the Speaker could decide that he faced an ethical dilemma, and announce he was inhibiting himself from the whole matter. This was the solution, apparently, put forward by the Palace as a face-saving gesture but involved its own risks. The Speaker’s lawyer, Raul Lambino of Sigaw ng Bayan fame, gave the Speaker similar advice, couched in terms of his right not to participate in forwarding a document obviously aimed more at the Speaker and his son than the President. The Speaker, by taking himself out of the game, would then pass the ball to Deputy Speaker Raul del Mar.

Del Mar could then easily say that it being his call, he would hold the ball until after the recess. Or, del Mar could then send the complaint immediately to the Committee on Rules, which could then sit on it; or the Committee on Rules could instantly send it to the Committee on Justice…

For an hour, from around 3:30 to 4:30 talk centered on whether the Speaker would take himself out of the game or force a showdown. Then at around that time came word there would be a press conference at the Speaker’s office. Up to that time there were still members of the House proposing that the Speaker should pass the ball to del Mar but that del Mar shouldn’t do the Palace any favors.

Like war, members of the press spend a lot of time just waiting then suddenly heaving into action. By 5 pm the media was huddled outside the door of the Speaker’s office as various congressmen trickled out and basically refused to say anything. Finally the doors opened. Mad stampede as everyone rushed in.

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The Speaker looked remarkably calm and relaxed. Arrayed around him were various House members and the Speaker’s people, including Atty. Lambino.

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At one point, the Speaker got up and disappeared; call of nature, I asked a reporter? Probably a phone call from the Palace, someone else said.

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The Speaker reemerged, the press conference formally began. It played out pretty much as everyone had expected:
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De Venecia inhibits self from Arroyo impeach rap; Arroyo impeach case referred to panel; JDV inhibits himself; JDV inhibits self from impeach rap.

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I asked a couple of questions, because the Speaker said he was withdrawing from participating in the process, even though he had misgivings because of bribery allegations, etc., etc., but he urged del Mar to attend to his ministerial duty. Del Mar smoothly said he would transmit the complaint to the Committee on Rules. Art Defensor chimed in and said as chairman he was going to calendar the referral before the plenary that very night, for referral, in turn, to the Committee on Justice.
The sending of the paper from Deputy Speaker to Rules Chairman to Justice Committee of course constituting the start of the one-year countdown of the ban on further impeachment complaints.

So my questions focused on asking del Mar why he was rushing to refer the complaint, his answer was, it’s ministerial, and then I asked Defensor if he, as Chairman, could act on behalf of a committee he only chaired but which had more than himself as members; Defensor was offended and said the whole procedure is normally concluded as he said it would be, that he was confident in speaking for the committee, etc.

Questions from the reporters present concentrated on this rush to start the Constitutional countdown while others focused on relations between the Speaker and the President.

But I had to keep asking myself, why is the Speaker, who, depending on whom you asked earlier that afternoon, had been browbeaten by the President, or threatened with being deposed, or otherwise facing a momentous event in his political life, so relaxed, so calm -and what did he have to gain from surrendering to the Palace?

Fine, he actually did the ethical thing, but I have to wonder if his inhibiting himself was the best legal advice. Fine, he gets to keep the Speakership, if the President did have the numbers. He may even think he did the country a favor by heading off the possibility of an impeachment, and the President maybe, owes him another favor.

But what does he have to gain, politically, from caving in like this?

He has to have something up his sleeve, I kept telling myself as I left the press conference.

But I have to figure out what that could be.

Update 7:58 pm and 9:08 pm Got a report that on radio it was pointed out that there’s a problem with what the Speaker did. The Constitution, according to some lawyers (and Rep. Rufus Rodriguez is apparently already raising hell about it on the floor of the House as I write this), does not give the Speaker any discretion.

The Speaker, and only the Speaker, must do the referral. He cannot delegate it, he cannot inhibit himself, it can only be the Speaker and no one else. So goes the argument.

I asked some lawyers and they concur: when the Constitution is clear and specific, and cites no exceptions, then it must be done in the manner and by whom the Constitution says. One lawyer gave a Solomonic answer: is the Speaker the only person who can refer the complaint, and if the Speaker didn’t, is there a justiciable case?

Here are their various answers:

Yes, based on the constitution [article XI. section 3.[2] and the rules of the house on impeachment [section 3. Rule 3.]. But note section 14 [h.] of the Rules of the House. authorizing the speaker to designate a member as tempo presiding officer. after informing the deputy speakers in case he/she temporarily unable to do so.

Yes the supreme court can resolve it. Note Francisco vs. House of Rep case in 2003, supreme court ruled that the power of judicial review includes power of review over justiciable issues in impeachment proceedings.

Yes. Its really a subject of justiciable review, based on Francisco decision. In this case any person may initiate it as a taxpayer suit or have a congressman question it in SC…

I think it is a jusiticable controversy but i doubt referral can be described as defective [cuz] SC will look at the House Rules in addition to the constitution. SC will try to harmonize house rules and charter and i think if they do so, they will rule this referral valid.

Because the constitution does not envision situations where speaker is unable to perform and so SC will take a look at house rules and see if speaker did the right thing. if under house rules, speaker did the right procedure, then SC will rule referral valid.Nature abhors a vacuum, the house rules filled up that vacuum.

Better question is: Can a constitutional duty be delegated? Its like the prez asking somebody to deliver SONA.

But you know justice committee can also order amendment of complaint but that’s a stretch.

So those are the contending views. But if it’s true that a legal wrinkle exists….

It’s a possibility too delicious for words.

JDV: “But Madam President, I did what you told me…”

del Mar: “But Madam, I did what you and the Speaker told me…”

Defensor: “But Madam, I did what you and the Speaker and del Mar told me….”

Everyone’s ass is covered except the one who was supposed to benefit from the inoculation!

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    • ramrod on October 14, 2007 at 4:38 pm

    Tiling,

    I’ll let you in on a secret, there is a management option of “intuition” its when you don’t have to see all the facts, just enough, look at the pattern, search your management collective unconscious and move decisively. This is used when you are neck to neck with the competition that a moments hesitation will cost you your victory or when you want to avoid disabling loses. Look up John Maxwell.

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 4:38 pm

    “i question how these surveys who have 5000 respondents reflect the sentiments of 40 million or so voters.”

    hija ,what do you think of the last senatorial elections where only 2 GMA endorsed candidates won( 3,if we were to include “the senator from maguindanao” )

    Of course, “to one who believes no proof is needed,to one who doubts no proof is enough”

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    “Tililing, sent. You’ll see it once Manolo approves.” cvj

    ok, ty

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    Hija:I will wait for the end of her “term” in 2010.But she better not make a mistake of prolonging her tenure for life!

    I promised my young son when Marcos was banished “NEVER AGAIN”.

    I swear to you I meant every word of that sacred vow to my son.

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    “I’ll let you in on a secret, there is a management option of “intuition” its when you don’t have to see all the facts, just enough, look at the pattern, search your management collective unconscious and move decisively. This is used when you are neck to neck with the competition that a moments hesitation will cost you your victory or when you want to avoid disabling loses. Look up John Maxwell.” ramrod

    intuition is nothing if the decision-maker is not decisive. in business, it’s not all about intuition. what’s very important is the client-supplier relationship more than the pricing and other details. don’t complicate things with some mumbo-jumbo because i’m only a simple person and i don’t know anything about all these corporate blabber.

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    “hija ,what do you think of the last senatorial elections where only 2 GMA endorsed candidates won( 3,if we were to include “the senator from maguindanao” )

    Of course, “to one who believes no proof is needed,to one who doubts no proof is enough”” mav

    it’s not the issue of believing or not believing. it’s the issue on convincing. my question is, is gma 100% a failure during her term? all flaws and no achievements? tell me

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    “Hija:I will wait for the end of her “term” in 2010.But she better not make a mistake of prolonging her tenure for life!

    I promised my young son when Marcos was banished “NEVER AGAIN”.

    I swear to you I meant every word of that sacred vow to my son.” mav

    what will you do if she extends her term? well good for you if you keep vows and promises especially to your son.

    • ramrod on October 14, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Tilling,

    I know very well where Balamban is, I used to play there when I was a kid, the place where they built the shipyard was my patch of forest where I hunted birds with my tirador, caught fish, crabs, and other weird sea creatures trapped during low tide, yes I know what they did to my playground. Tsuneishi, there’s an engineer there named Andrew Elumbaring, one of my traitor childhood friends working for the enemy that took away a major part of my childhood. You should see the machine oil, debris, trash, that occasionally comes out of this monstrosity. Go there now and ask them if the “mangla” a sort of crab mix with prawn whatchamacalit still exists.

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    “what will you do if she extends her term? well good for you if you keep vows and promises especially to your son.”

    Hija :Will you allow GMA to extend her term beyond 2010?

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    ““what will you do if she extends her term? well good for you if you keep vows and promises especially to your son.”

    Hija :Will you allow GMA to extend her term beyond 2010?” mav

    no. 2010 is enough.

    • eulogos on October 14, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    Society often produces fools like Tililing and Bencard. You can talk to them all you want about right and wrong and they will try to beat you down to their level with rhetorics and spin. Let them wallow in ignorance, deliberate or not.

    The time for civil discussion has long passed.

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    no. 2010 is enough.

    HIJA:we have at least a point of agreement!

    In the meantime,I leave with these wise words:

    “There is one safeguard known generally to the wise, which is an advantage and security to all, but especially to democracies as against despots. What is it? Distrust.” Demosthenes.

    ps:Have a nice weekend!Bye now.

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    “I know very well where Balamban is, I used to play there when I was a kid, the place where they built the shipyard was my patch of forest where I hunted birds with my tirador, caught fish, crabs, and other weird sea creatures trapped during low tide, yes I know what they did to my playground. Tsuneishi, there’s an engineer there named Andrew Elumbaring, one of my traitor childhood friends working for the enemy that took away a major part of my childhood. You should see the machine oil, debris, trash, that occasionally comes out of this monstrosity. Go there now and ask them if the “mangla” a sort of crab mix with prawn whatchamacalit still exists.” ramrod

    talking about environment. the company where you’re working for is more on forest industry products and by-products right? so what’s more harmful, a shipyard or a company that cuts trees?

    all these industries has it’s own environmental prices to pay. i am not saying this is good but i think there are certifications on environmental compliance. there’s corporate social responsibility and community outreach. if tsuneishi is indeed violation certain environmental laws as you claim, are you willing to sue them?

    • ramrod on October 14, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    Tillingling,

    I did not say that GMA was all faults and no achievements, she has achievements thats why I supported her earlier, even MAV admits to that.
    Industrialization without regard for it impact on the environment is not worth it, just look at the several paper mills in China that are being systematically closed due to environmental degradation.
    I know you’re a reasonable person, come on I’m extending my hand in reconciliation.

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    “Society often produces fools like Tililing and Bencard. You can talk to them all you want about right and wrong and they will try to beat you down to their level with rhetorics and spin. Let them wallow in ignorance, deliberate or not.

    The time for civil discussion has long passed.” eulogos

    wow out of nowhere like a mushroom. i think i’d rather be called a fool rather than a nincompoop like yourself. this is not a competition, it’s plain and simple discussion, if you know what that means. if i’m ignorant then what do you call yourself?

    it’s the time for what now?

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    “I did not say that GMA was all faults and no achievements, she has achievements thats why I supported her earlier, even MAV admits to that.
    Industrialization without regard for it impact on the environment is not worth it, just look at the several paper mills in China that are being systematically closed due to environmental degradation.
    I know you’re a reasonable person, come on I’m extending my hand in reconciliation.” ramrod

    it’s just discussions, no hard feelings. would you like the left hand or the right hand?

    i do think that philippine environmental laws are not enforced properly. people in the emb and its affiliate enforcement agencies are either inept or under the payroll of some companies. there should be mechanisms wherein large scale manufacturers should always be monitored. there aren’t actually a lot in the philippines. maybe a few thousands.

    • vic on October 14, 2007 at 5:15 pm

    Just finished reading the Star’s articles about the release of former PM Jean Chretien memoirs (435 -page book, titled My Years as Prime Minister) and a few excerpt of what is in the memoir.

    One is the matter of relevance to any government in regards to Corruptions in Government.

    Before PM Chretien resigns as Party Leader, his administration was saddled with allegations of Abuse and corruptions in one of his pet projects, the Sponsorship Program in Quebec which the Auditor General has just uncovered.

    And here is his recollections about the corruptions the magnitude of which happened more than one hundred years ago…please read and maybe also true to the country….and you may go to the star.com on details. It’s today’s front page…
    *****
    Chrétien is unrepentant as well about how he handled the transition of power to Martin, which saddled the new Liberal prime minister with releasing the explosive auditor-general’s report on abuses in the sponsorship program in Quebec. Chrétien insists that Martin let him know – through Privy Council clerk Alex Himelfarb – that he wanted to take over in late 2003, not February 2004, as Chrétien had planned. So Chrétien decided to shut down Parliament early.
    “Though I had neither seen Sheila Fraser’s report nor been briefed about it, I knew, like everybody else in Ottawa, that it was going to be tough. But I didn’t prorogue Parliament because I was afraid to face it or wanted to pass it like a kiss of death to my successor. It had always been my intention to receive Fraser’s report, thank her for her good work, and say what I had been saying over and over again for a year: If there is evidence of theft or fraud, let the police catch the crooks and let the courts put them in jail.”
    ******
    The last statement If there is evidence of Theft or Fraud, let the Police catch the crooks and let the courts put them in Jail… and they Police and the Courts Did..
    And also after the criminal aspect of the case was resolved, the next PM, Paul Martin called Justice Gomery to conduct a no-bar-holds inquiry to look why the systems failed and to dig in deeper and find out even those that were not criminally involve (and there were many)and recommend solutions so the same will never happen again. And Justice Gomery made it clear to all of what really transpired, even calling the current PM and former PM Chretien (which he challenged and lost in other venues) to testify before him…and his reports is worthy of the best investigative inquiry there is, and his recommendations which has not been put into legislation yet will surely make sure that the same will not happen again for maybe more than another hundred years…. try the process and it really works, anywhere and in any situation….

    • vic on October 14, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    sorry it should be “thestar.com” and clik the toronto star.

    • ramrod on October 14, 2007 at 7:00 pm

    “i do think that philippine environmental laws are not enforced properly. people in the emb and its affiliate enforcement agencies are either inept or under the payroll of some companies. there should be mechanisms wherein large scale manufacturers should always be monitored. there aren’t actually a lot in the philippines. maybe a few thousands.”

    You said it, I spent years pushing for paper and board food packaging, the plastic people seem to have very strong lobbyists at their disposal. Taiwan doesn’t use the styropor packaging anymore, and so do other developing countries. We have environmental laws but they seem to have no teeth. As consolation though, some companies like Monde Nissin have shifted to paper cups, Jollibee and McDonalds have expressed their intentions, and my favorite pet project Starbucks paper cups will not be imported anymore but produced locally. There is hope after all…

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    To the “MOVE ON Gang”(or aptly called “CATCH US IF U CAN”)

    Let me summarize my points in the various threads above:

    I was one of the naive people who joined EDSA 2 and helped install a GMA.Mea Culpa! Mea Maxima Culpa!

    I ,and more importantly the people in general,are paying very dearly for that forgettable People Power 2 episode in our history.The difference between the glorious “People Power 1” and that unforgettable event called “People Power 2” is like heaven and hell!

    This is the main reason why I absolutely detest now a “people power”type of change!I think the “human veto”
    (Noli de Castro) will NOT make things any better for the country.Baka malusutan pa tayo ni Mr.Esperon!

    So please stop making the argument “Where are the warm bodies who will oust her in an extra constitutional way?”

    But you better believe that I am very angry!More importantly the PEOPLE ARE ANGRY!

    I (and hopefully many other)will be patient and wait for the end of her “term” in 2010.But she better not make a mistake of prolonging her tenure for life or even more day through “concon”,”conass” or or whatever disguise of martial law!

    I told and promised my young son “NEVER AGAIN” on that fateful day when the Marcoses fled the country.I know of many others who did the same thing.

    I swear to you I meant every word of that sacred vow to my son.

    Never Again!

    • qwert on October 14, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    I am hoping against hope that GMA would step down come 2010. So,I think we should be preparing for that eventuality by scouting for a highly qualified candidate and maybe define what that means “highly qualified candidate”. It may also help to monitor the statements,actuations and political convictions of the so called “presidential wannabes” floated around by the media. We have to be pro-active in our thinking before the political mudslinging starts and create an environment of confusion.

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 8:02 pm

    “engeng, time to go for bed. need to wake up early tomorrow for the mass. some spiritual renewal for the dark force in us. “- tililing

    I dont need to go to church today, I already heard enough preaching, sermons and enlightenment and all other things that the get from the church. in this blog. Heck I dont even need to take breakfast. Just a tea and the ideas exchanged here is good enough.

    Seriously, all the comments and exchanges is a really an excellent read! Only that all my internet time is consumed by reading alone. And my typing skills just cant catch up with all you.

    Manolo, you must be so blessed to gather all these people in this blog. Its a gold mine.

    Bencard, I can see your lonely days in this blog is over. Kudos to you! More and more people who share your views and convictions are no longer afraid to articulate them in this forum.

    Tililing and eng-eng, you rock!

    Ramrod and gps, you’re cool realy realy cool.Keep it up man.

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 8:20 pm

    “I don’t care what they do with those who received the money. Prosecute them, if they must. But the fact is that there can be no bribe-taker if there is no bribe-giver. And GMA is the biggest bribe-giver of them all.”

    Pero, Shaman, pwede ring sabihing, “There will be no bribe giver if there is no bribe taker” di ba?

    • pepe on October 14, 2007 at 8:24 pm

    rego,

    “There will be no bribe giver if there is no bribe taker” di ba?

    illogical

    example, abalos is bribe giver, neri didnot oblige to be bribe taker.

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    Hello everyone…

    BRB… something’s stuck in my teeth…gonna get some good old fashioned toothpick

    • pepe on October 14, 2007 at 8:27 pm

    who said, “It’s not how much you blog, it’s how much you do besides.” ?

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    I think I better call Garci to join in the discussions.

    Now where’s my phone conversation recorder….hahahahahahhaha

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 8:46 pm

    “Tililing and eng-eng, you rock! ”

    Thanks rego.

    My comment is awaiting modertion… well, must be something i thought i said…. hahahahahahahahaha

    I only said i’ll call my friend Garci.

    I though filters are only used by tililing’s servers?

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 8:50 pm

    “The way I see it, the senatorial elections was our way of showing distrust for the current administration. It appears that GMA’s endorsement has become a “kiss of death.”” Ramrod.

    But Ramrod there is still another way of seeing this.

    Manolo and Bencard had an interesting exchange on this on the previous thread. Bencard was saying that how would you take that in the case of the Congress where majority of the admind candidates won. And how would you relate the kiss of death theory with the election of Joker and Angara and the loss of Sonia Roco which is the representative of the Civil Society. Then there is the admin candiate just after opposition like Mike Defensor and Recto candidates just. And Manolo

    Manol has alos a very good rebuttal defending the kiss of debt theorie. He pointed out that the midterm senate election is always the gauge for the the performance of the current admin.

    What I think is missing in that exchange, the voter tunr -out analysis. How many peopl eactually voted against the total voting populace? Was there enough representation of the peopel voice in that election? I remember the OAV turn is even ver very low.

    Anyway, I firmly believe that our electoral system is seriously flawed. And therefore can never be used as a tool to solve the countries problem.

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 8:55 pm

    The bribe taker cannot be called a bribe taker unles he or she is fully aware that what was given was actually a bribe.

    Fr. Panlilio of Pampanga accepted the “gift”. Can he be called a bribe-taker? No because he intends to use the money received for small civil projects.

    Unless of course you gave to me. I’ll always consider it a bribe…. hahahahahahaha

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 8:57 pm

    Hija: try singing “Do you hear the people sing?from Les Miserables.

    Heard that GMA had a wry face when she heard that song in Broadway.

    —-
    Mav, naman this is just a plain rumor mongering…

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    qwert:I think Trillanes has that kind of courage,resolve and the intelligence.His stay in prison will help shape his leadership character.

    Nelson Mandela spent 28 years at Robben Island Prison,before becoming the first black president of South Africa. Ironically he was first viewed as a ‘terrorist” by the “apartheid”government.
    —————————————
    Dont go that far, Ninoy wasincarcerated and Cory become president.

    But hey dont you think trillanes case is very different from Ninoy and Mandela?

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    The fact is, BRIBERY is encouraged since our childhood years.

    How many times have we offered candies or chocolates to a child to stop crying or quit his tantrums? How many times have we offered a child money to do us some errands? If you did that, you have bribed.

    Child psychology books call that positive reinforcement, blah blah blah… its a minor form of BRIBERY

    BRIBERY is in fact an offer of any form to somebody to either do something or refrain from doing something.

    The so called gift-giving by Malacanang, its a grown up form of the childhood bribery we all know of.

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    I hate it when they run out of toothpicks.

    I had to fashion out a makeshift toothpick using bamboo.

    Now i have bamboo splinters all over my arms… hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    If you think a stuck piece between your teeth is bad enough.

    Just imagine having to remove dozens of tiny splinters from your skin… hahahahahaha

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:13 pm

    “The way I see it, the senatorial elections was our way of showing distrust for the current administration. It appears that GMA’s endorsement has become a “kiss of death.”” Ramrod.

    Not exactly.

    If it were the case, no administration bets would have made it through last elections.

    The fact is, people are more on individual personality basis, rather than who or what endorsed the candidates. Name recall also played a key role. Candidates who often appeared on TV weeks or months preceeding the elections had more chances of winning because they stuck in the minds of voters.

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    “I’ll let you in on a secret, there is a management option of “intuition” its when you don’t have to see all the facts, just enough, look at the pattern, search your management collective unconscious and move decisively. This is used when you are neck to neck with the competition that a moments hesitation will cost you your victory or when you want to avoid disabling loses. Look up John Maxwell.”

    Ramrod, seems to me that you are doing the same thing that I have been doing before. Trying to resolve the politcal issues using the corporate approach.

    Im my discussion with freinds and officemates who have corporate and managerial position. We thought of an idea managing the country just like managing the a corporation. However we come up with some kind of conclusion that the “operating parameters” is just so different.

    I even brought up before with CVJ, the idea of electing a president coming from private sector. A fully trained and well experienced manager just like Juan Santos or Jake Pena, the only filipino who wasable to hol dteh top position of Intel Philippines until I left the company. Jake retired retired and was replaced with a malaysian

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    “I even brought up before with CVJ, the idea of electing a president coming from private sector. A fully trained and well experienced manager just like Juan Santos or Jake Pena, the only filipino who wasable to hol dteh top position of Intel Philippines until I left the company. Jake retired retired and was replaced with a malaysian.” rego

    i do remember jake pena, then the general manager of intel philippines. btw, what department were you in? were you in intel makati or intel cavite? lots of hocus-pocus also in there. at a time when the americans started to trust filipinos and passing on high posts to filipinos, some scandals arose especially in procurement and logistics. i think that was a long time ago.

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    There are many national leaders aspiring for the Presidency in 2010 (assuming no foul moves by the “incumbent”).The most prominent names at present are Villar, Roxas, De Castro, Legarda and Gordon. All these personalities have charisma, the political experience, the exposure at the national level and the required funds/political machinery.

    Assuming these are the most probable candidates, I would ask myself one very simple but important question: “Who is the honest politician(hopefully, this is not an oxymoron) among them ?”

    Considering the national traumas associated with the incumbent president and her immediate predecessor, this country desperately needs a leader of true integrity. We need a president who is TRUSTED by the people.

    We need a President who can stand there, look at us straight in the eyes and give us the terrible, awful, sad truth. For once, we would love to have a president who doesn’t throw his or her spin-doctor rhetoric at us.

    He or she would see the truth as a non-negotiable necessity .He or she would see full-disclosure and transparency as a tool of a functioning democracy and not an enemy to his or her plans.

    Is this asking too much from a President?

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:33 pm

    [quote]think Trillanes has that kind of courage,resolve and the intelligence.His stay in prison will help shape his leadership character.

    Nelson Mandela spent 28 years at Robben Island Prison,before becoming the first black president of South Africa. Ironically he was first viewed as a ‘terrorist” by the “apartheid”government.[/quote]

    Mandela, Ninoy and other great leaders who were persecuted by their governments have one thing in common, they were loyal to NO ONE. Riding only on thir priciples to fight for what they believe is just and right.

    Trillanes is definitely not a great leader in the making even though his butt is rotting in jail. He may lok like a poor helpless fellow being pinned down by the government. Only fools would fall for that garbage “paawa” effect of his.

    Because Trillanes is LOYAL TO ERAP. What he did in oakwood was to aid Erap in his attempt to reclaim the presidency, not some fancy “we want change” crap.

    He could not even admit to the simple fact that he was a stool pigeon of Erap.

    Trillanes is a gutless and spinless yellow.

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    “There are many national leaders aspiring for the Presidency in 2010 (assuming no foul moves by the “incumbent”).The most prominent names at present are Villar, Roxas, De Castro, Legarda and Gordon. All these personalities have charisma, the political experience, the exposure at the national level and the required funds/political machinery.

    Assuming these are the most probable candidates, I would ask myself one very simple but important question: “Who is the honest politician(hopefully, this is not an oxymoron) among them ?”

    Considering the national traumas associated with the incumbent president and her immediate predecessor, this country desperately needs a leader of true integrity. We need a president who is TRUSTED by the people.

    We need a President who can stand there, look at us straight in the eyes and give us the terrible, awful, sad truth. For once, we would love to have a president who doesn’t throw his or her spin-doctor rhetoric at us.

    He or she would see the truth as a non-negotiable necessity .He or she would see full-disclosure and transparency as a tool of a functioning democracy and not an enemy to his or her plans.

    Is this asking too much from a President?” mav

    if the next president would not be beholden to anyone, maybe he/she would foster more transparency. this debt of gratitude come elections just stinks like your friendly imburnal.

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    “if the next president would not be beholden to anyone, maybe he/she would foster more transparency. this debt of gratitude come elections just stinks like your friendly imburnal.”

    hija:true!

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    “Because Trillanes is LOYAL TO ERAP. What he did in oakwood was to aid Erap in his attempt to reclaim the presidency, not some fancy “we want change” crap.

    He could not even admit to the simple fact that he was a stool pigeon of Erap.

    Trillanes is a gutless and spinless yellow.”

    11 million people do not agree with you.

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:43 pm

    There are many national leaders aspiring for the Presidency in 2010 (assuming no foul moves by the “incumbent”).The most prominent names at present are Villar, Roxas, De Castro, Legarda and Gordon. All these personalities have charisma, the political experience, the exposure at the national level and the required funds/political machinery. – MAV

    Villar – perhaps one of the greates “balimbings” of all time. For Erap in good times, left Erap during the impeachment and joined the administration, left the administration during bad times and went back to Erap. If that kind of crappy politician goes to Malacanang, we’re all be in very deep pile of crap.

    Roxas – Mr. Palengke alright. Thanks but no thanks. We need somebody who could market the filipino’s greatness across the globe, not some “public market guy”.

    Legarda – the more evil twin of Medusa. Snakes lurk not just in her head but all around her body.

    Gordon – not very flash gordon to say the least. Accomplishments please. Don’t be a comic book guy ok.

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    Mav.

    Not really, but I belive its flawed. Because you made your criteria out of your hatred Gloria but not really a based on principles and the real needs of the country. Chances are you will be miss to consider any presidnatial candidate who has some form of association with Gloria.

    How many tem teh we elect a president fo rteh wrong reasons

    People voted for Cory becuase he is the opposite of Marcos but not really on his qualification , capabilities and abilities. Peopel voted of Erap becuase his popularty and masa appeal ( the opposite of the elite). People voted for Gloria for fear of having FPJ as president ( another Erap whos eonly qualification is a masa apeal and zero abailities and capabilities.)

    When we will ever learn to be objective and priciple based in electing a president and sentors other this time public officials

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    11 million people do not agree with you. – MAV

    Not surprising, there are 11 million stool pigeons. Not my fault. Hahahahahahahaha

    Birds of the same feather, ELECT together…hahahahahaha

    • rego on October 14, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Trillanes is a gutless and spinless yellow.”

    11 million people do not agree with you.
    ——————————

    More than 11 million peopel did not agree with you

    • MAV on October 14, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    “Not really, but I belive its flawed. Because you made your criteria out of your hatred Gloria but not really a based on principles and the real needs of the country. Chances are you will be miss to consider any presidnatial candidate who has some form of association with Gloria.”

    We need a president who is TRUSTED by the people.

    • eng^2 on October 14, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    Correction:

    There are 11 million gutless, spineless yellow stool pigeons.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    • Tililing on October 14, 2007 at 9:53 pm

    i despise trillanes, period.

    i won’t expound on the matter anymore because the comments in here might reach 1,000 and it actually slows down the loading and refreshing of this article.

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