San Luis, the new Marcoleta?

New impeach rap filed vs Arroyo:

A three-page complaint accusing Arroyo of betrayal of public trust was lodged by lawyer Roberto Pulido before the office of House Secretary General Roberto Nazareno at 5 p.m., said Representative Joel Villanueva of the Citizens Battle Against Corruption party-list.

Laguna Representative Edgar San Luis, an administration ally, endorsed the complaint that accuses Arroyo of inaction despite being informed by a Cabinet official of alleged bribery attempts in the scandal-tainted national broadband network (NBN) deal, said Villanueva.

Pulido earlier filed a complaint against House Speaker Jose de Venecia Jr. before the House ethics committee, accusing him of using his office to help his businessman-son corner the NBN project.

San Luis meanwhile is a member of a faction of the administration Kabalikat ng Malayang Pilipino led by Camarines Sur Representative Luis Villafuerte, who is accused of plotting the ouster of De Venecia.

The President issued a helpful statement from India:

Arroyo also admitted for the first time that former socioeconomics secretary Romulo Neri had informed her of the alleged bribery attempt of erstwhile elections chief Benjamin Abalos Sr.

“Yeah, I can confirm that,” said Arroyo.

Perfectly orchestrated and timed!

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    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    “to one whose father lost his life resisting the japs; whose only paternal uncle died with his boots on (or whatever was left of them) on the road to capas after fighting a heroic battle in bataan; whose cousin died in action in korea a year after graduating from pma; whose young brother in law (also a pma grad) is currently serving in mindanao; this rebellious adventurism for political ends is not easy to swallow.”-bencard

    I suggest you talk to this PMA grad young brother in law in Mindanao, I have a suspicion that you have a communication gap, unless he is from logistics (stays in the office making money from corrupt deals with suppliers) he will “enlighten” you.

    • bibeth on October 7, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Trillanes is just a disgruntled big mouth who is trying to mask his treachery (attempting a mutiny, either voluntarily or paid by some people, or motivated by any cause is TREACHERY or TREASON) by pretending to be in the crusade for clean, honest and transparent government. He is trying to masquerade as a seeker of truth and justice in order to divert the attention from the truth that he was paid by a rich politician to do the oakwood mutiny. Any fool would know that if there are only a few of you, you can’t possibly win a mutiny, didn’t they teach that at PMA?

    If Trillanes want tranparency, then why didn’t he mention they were involved in the supply of materials to the AFP?

    His election as Senator is a total disaster and shame for the country.

    He would end up as someone who made lots of promises but never kept any of them.

    Note: For the last time is BIBETH, not BIBITH.

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:05 pm

    “What happened to LAND REFORM? What happened to AGRARIAN REFORM? Can you cite any past President that was successful in this regard?” – Karah

    Precisely. Cvj explained it in his “landed oligarchs” that more or less high positions in government. All policies and implmentation thereof will be influenced to inoder to protect and promote the interest of this few.

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:08 pm

    “And who told you that I said it’s okay to give up the freedom of others. Mind you, I was referring to myself alone. To quote myself “Honestly, I can give up certain freedoms for the sake of stability and prosperity.” I think I said “I” referring to the first persone alone.”-karah

    No. Make that two. I don’t want you to be alone, I’m with you on this.

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    “Follow the money!!!” It leads to…

    • bibeth on October 7, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    karah,

    I suggest you invite more of our silent majority friends and those from the LF.

    They would love to disseminate useful info in here. Obviously some here are poorly informed about some issues and personalities.

    The more the merrier….hahahahaha

    • karah on October 7, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    Ram No amount of reason can cover-up for a mistake if we’re talking here of “military action.” If they succeeded which I doubted from the first instant I heard the news, things I would have been totally different. In retrospect, why choose Oakwood and the CBD (central business district) of Makati? The problem is after all an AFP problem. They would have stormed Camp Aguinaldo whilst most of the Generals of the Armed Services and other National Support Units are present. I think that was a BOLDER, a more DIRECT way of airing their grievances. When they took over Oakwood, imagine the jitters not only of the Business and International Community but those innocent people who are in the surrounding area who just wanted to get to work and earn a living.

    What were their real motives? Was it only to air their GRIEVANCES or something else? There are some questions we should ask not only the Magdalo but ourselves. My heart goes to all the soldiers who are dying, and who are injured for us to enjoy whatever freedoms we are enjoying at the moment. I do recognize the LOGISTICAL LOOPHOLE that has beset the whole AFP since time immemorial (not only the AFP but the PNP). And come to think of it, those who staged the Oakwood Mutiny (at least majority of them), did not come from ordinary platoons but most of them came of Special Units where were considered, “the spoiled brats” of their Armed Service – some of the LRC (Light Reaction Company), some were from the Scout Rangers, some were from the Special Forces.

    Makes me think. Did you see any Oakwood Mutineer with dilapidated shoes? Did you see any Oakwood Mutineer carrying a rusting Gun? Did you see any Oakwood Mutinner wearing Uniform with holes? Did you see any Oakwood Mutineer even carrying worn-out Bags? By the looks of it, they were armed to the teeth with M4-variation Carbines, some M-16’s, some other automatic weapons. They were wearing the same camouflage uniform, new shoes, new Motorola Two-Way Radios, new backpacks. Now, where did they get these things? Hmmmm.

    I understand and I perfectly comprehend some of the points that you raised – Substandard Kevlar Helmets, Non-working Guns, Non-Working Mortars, poor Communication Equipment, poor Air Support. They should have stormed the Villamor Air Base Golf Course for all I care and HOSTAGED all the Officers playing golf and sipping drinks (whatever it is they are sipping)? Again, I pose the question, why Makati?

    • karah on October 7, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    Ram My response to you is still awaiting moderation.

    • bibeth on October 7, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    And who told you that I said it’s okay to give up the freedom of others. Mind you, I was referring to myself alone. To quote myself “Honestly, I can give up certain freedoms for the sake of stability and prosperity.” I think I said “I” referring to the first persone alone.”-karah

    No. Make that three. I don’t want you to be alone, I’m with you on this.

    • Harry on October 7, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    “And who told you that I said it’s okay to give up the freedom of others. Mind you, I was referring to myself alone. To quote myself “Honestly, I can give up certain freedoms for the sake of stability and prosperity.” I think I said “I” referring to the first persone alone.””-karah

    i don’t wanna be counted out. make me the fourth in the list.

    harry c

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    “His election as Senator is a total disaster and shame for the country.”-bibeth

    How many people voted for Trillanes, hundreds, thousands, no, over a million, no, more than a million, millions! We have over 10 million stupid people who voted for Trillanes! These include my former boss who owns the biggest industrial packaging printer in the country, hmmmmm, and so did many of my chinese clients, add MLQ3 to this moronic list also. Actually I didn’t vote for him, I wanted Mike Defensor, what can I do I like the guy, in the face of so much unpopularity – he stood his ground. My point is, if it boils down to how many people thought about it, analyzed it, evaluated it, a lot of extremely sensible people voted for Trillanes and this is not because he looked good on TV. Pause for a while, there must be some wisdom in all this. Hmmmmm…Tabasco sauce on spam…

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    “Expecto Patronum!”

    Harry, I’m sure you have an ulterior motive again.

    • bibeth on October 7, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    ramrod,

    It just reflects how many voters lack the basic knowledge when it comes to selection of candidates. many find those who criticize the administration as “witty and courageous”

    Trillanes had no clear program of government, their group (the Genuine Opposition) had only the poorly written so-called 10-point program. he just kept on lambasting the Arroyo administration. Sadly that was enough to land him a seat in the Senate.

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    This sinfully pleasurable pastime of ours is making me irresponsible, I wasn’t able to make my expense report, I was planning to finish it over the weekend. You guys make life worthwhile, not just work, work, work…

    All this opposing and agreeing is making me feel alive again. Thank you very much for the pleasure of all our exchanges, I may have to sign out for a few days as I need to focus on business.

    Bencard. Please accept my apologies if I offended you, its nothing personal. Sometimes I’m a jerk, I need help. I’m really sorry for the times I slipped up. No excuses, a jerk’s a jerk…

    • Harry on October 7, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    ramrod:

    the motive is ulterior and the agenda is hidden. *smirk* i am serious on the matter that i can give up certain freedoms for the state

    what’s up?

    harry c

    • cvj on October 7, 2007 at 11:38 pm

    So are you convinced that it was only SOLELY on Marcos’ decision that he became President and there was not external influence? – karah

    I did not say that. In fact, Marcos became President because people elected him in 1965 and 1969. He became dictator in 1972 because people were willing to give up their freedoms for some order.

    Your distinction between judging Marcos’ actions and judging him as a person is quibbling and artificial. In everyday life, we make such judgements all the time.

    You are also right that there is little that we can do in this situation where the Upper Class pursues their own self-interest at the expense of the rest of the Filipino people. At some point, when enough people are aware, maybe the balance will shift so the first step is to be aware of what’s happening. It starts with the mindset.

    Well, who else would have the RESOURCES (money) to embark on these Projects but the UPPER CLASS.

    If you review what they tried to do, you will see that the upper class did not intend to use their own resources. Rather, they intended to borrow money from China. As i said above, that loan will be paid for by the Filipino taxpayers. That’s one of the reasons why, as you point out “only 5% of the population controls 70%-80% of the wealth in the Philippines“.

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:42 pm

    I agree with you on the GO agenda, all I understood about it was just “OUST GMA!”

    But for the people who voted for him, they probably thought we needed a fresh face in the senate, not a trapo, or whatever. Trillanes came out as a very “uncompromising” person, and uncompromising men are very charismatic…I would have voted for him if he didn’t make me envy him, all those girls. GRRRRRRRR!

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    “If you review what they tried to do, you will see that the upper class did not intend to use their own resources. Rather, they intended to borrow money from China. As i said above, that loan will be paid for by the Filipino taxpayers. That’s one of the reasons why, as you point out “only 5% of the population controls 70%-80% of the wealth in the Philippines“.” – cvj

    cvj, thats how the financially savy do it, use “other peoples’ money,” Investment 101…

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    harry,

    Good to see you again (or read)! You should have joined me “firing” if you’re in Manila, yesterday. I’ve improved, in 50 rounds only 1 didn’t hit the target at 15 meters. But then again I used a 9mm, very manageable compared to the Cal 45. I am officially not a “Bolo Man” anymore, thats what they call you if the only way you can wound or kill your enemy is for the corps to issue you a “bolo” and not a gun.

  1. Bencard,

    Re: “mwb, thanks for your effort in posting the accused magdalo rebels’ statement. frankly, it earns no sympathy nor respect for their “cause” from me. ”

    The statement was not at all by the Magadalo troops, i.e., Trillanes et al, but by a group of officers led by Gen Danilo Lim and Col Ariel Querubin and suprisingly, the group includes very young officers including the former aide de camp or executive asst of Gen Esperon himself – they’re accused of mutiny and of plotting a coup d’état prompting Gloria to declare emergency rule in February last year; they are subjects of court martial proceedings today.

    For your info: JAG office pre-trial investigations and the recommendations that followed stated that there wasn’t any sufficient evidence to indict the 28 officers for mutiny or coup d’état attemtp; JAG himself recommended that those charges should be dropped but Esperon said otherwise.

    Question: If your own ivenstigators, prosecutors, OJAG in this case, find that there’s no evidence of military crime, why insist on prosecuting Gen Lim et al? At worst, they can only be accused of conduct unbecoming an officer.

    I suggest you read the initial OJAG PTI report (I believe it’s stored somewhere in Ellen’s blog.)

    From my end, Gen Lim cannot be accused of mutiny when he talked to Gen Senga since he was alone with him (Senga himself said so) about the restiveness in the military, and this happened the day before Gloria declared her emergency rule. Lim is accused of mutiny or mutiny cannot be committed by only 1 person. The crime of mutiny may be levied if the act was committed by 3 or more people. If mutiny cannot be proven to have been committed by these officers, it makes it unlikely that they attemted a coup d’état.

    Re Trillanes: Must confess I had great reservation about Trillanes (cvj can attest to that) and still do today but when he ran for office, I said to myself why not, good way of knowing if people approve of him or not. He was plebiscited by more than 11 million voters.

    Govt was wrong to have reneged on the agreement, the promise that in exchange for their surrender, they would be charged under Articles of War i.e., military law, court martial, and not hauled off to civilian courts by Gonzalez (the doj gonzalez), but instead of a court martial, they were hauled off to civilian courts.

    • cvj on October 7, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    ramrod, yeah only in this case, it’s the taxpayer’s money. That’s how the Upper Class pursues their interest at our expense.

    • karah on October 7, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    cvj And so it can be deduced that without the consent of the people that they were willing to give up certain freedoms, “Marcos did not become a Dictator?” Just basing my assumption from your statement. Or shall we say, the “consent of the people was an aggravating factor?”

    If you do such judgments, well I don’t. I divorce the ACTION from the ACTOR but don’t lose the combination of that altogether. At least you can speak for yourself, not for other people, can’t you?

    By the looks of it, the BALANCE hasn’t shifted in like 500 years or so? It’s still the RULING ELITE that control the Philippines? So when do you think is this: “when enough people are aware?” Do you have any estimates perhaps? We will go back again to the attitude of Filipinos re: these matters.

    The meddling of the UPPER CLASS in the NBN-ZTE deal was limited to two things: (a) getting kickbacks as commission for brokering; (b) if the AHI (Amsterdam Holdings. Inc.) bagged the Project, then it would be funded by both UPPER CLASS money, Loans, and other sources. The NBN-ZTE deal per se was a G to G agreement and so the UPPER CLASS did not have any exposure, did not have any participation (not unless there are some Filipino agents by the ZTE in the Philippines that comes from the Elite). Know anything about that?

    By the way, it’s not the UPPER CLASS that would borrow money from CHINA, it’s the Philippine Gov’t thru a Loan Agreement between the DOF (Deparment of Finance) and the Chinese EXIM (export-import) bank. You got your assumptions wrong.

  2. Ooops, “they’re accused of mutiny and of ATTEMPTING a coup d’état prompting Gloria to declare emergency rule…”

    • bibeth on October 7, 2007 at 11:54 pm

    karah,

    it seems this blog is having second thoughts whether to post your reply to ram or not.

    By the way, I have plenty of Boy Bawang here, i can bring a boxful to you if you like.

    • Harry on October 7, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    ramrod:

    not much into guns. used to like super 38 for its stability but gave it up. now my weapon of choice is my slippers. lolz

    harry c

    • ramrod on October 7, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    MBW,

    The majority of the military with the exception of the ones in cahoots with the corrupt elements of the government are restive. Its been debated and discussed in restaurants, hotels, clubs, resorts, and safehouses, not in the offices because of the squeelers. Its a groundswell, one that is even now threatening to explode, unfortunately or fortunately, there are still these old and wise conservatives who are continously pacifying and calling for sobriety and respect for the chain of command.

    • Harry on October 8, 2007 at 12:00 am

    ramrod:

    my shoes weighs 250kgs. *smirk*

    harry c

  3. Ramrod,

    Agree, “Its a groundswell, one that is even now threatening to explode, unfortunately or fortunately, there are still these old and wise conservatives”.

    The AFP is at a terrible crossroad today, the morale of the officers, particularly in the middle level and below including the ordinary troops, is very low.

    Ramrod, you must know Boygee Pangilinan, “the terror of generals” very well then (your upperclassman?).

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:10 am

    harry,

    You wouldn’t happen to be an elephant are you? Type : ) without any spaces like this 🙂 karah taught me that! selos ka?

    • cvj on October 8, 2007 at 12:16 am

    cvj And so it can be deduced that without the consent of the people that they were willing to give up certain freedoms, “Marcos did not become a Dictator?” Just basing my assumption from your statement. Or shall we say, the “consent of the people was an aggravating factor?” – Karah

    Yes, consent of the people was needed for Marcos to get away with what he did. That’s the reason why i said above (at October 7, 2:07pm) that “Unfortunately, the Upper and middle classes today are making the same mistakes that their fathers/mothers committed in 1972.” In this thread alone, i can count four people (so far) making that same mistake right now.

    By the looks of it, the BALANCE hasn’t shifted in like 500 years or so? – Karah

    Five hundred years ago (that would make it 1507), there was no Philippines yet so i’m not sure why you started counting from there. Anyway, i don’t know when ‘enough people will be aware’, all i know is that i am.

    By the way, it’s not the UPPER CLASS that would borrow money from CHINA, it’s the Philippine Gov’t thru a Loan Agreement between the DOF (Deparment of Finance) and the Chinese EXIM (export-import) bank. You got your assumptions wrong. – Karah

    The personalities involved (in and out of government) belong to the upper class. If you follow the events closely, the distinction that you make between ‘the government’ and ‘the upper class’ is non-existent.

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:17 am

    mbw,

    I’m pretty sure the Pangilinan I know is not yet a general, I’m not that old. So you have an idea how old/young I am. My mistahs include Caculitan, speaker of the marines, and Sermonia, you see these characters on TV, no one that visible,my class has been desimated because of deserters (like me) who joined the brave ranks of the “business” sector, OFW, PAGCOR, and some even in the US military.

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:18 am

    cvj, karah,

    Just follow the money…it will lead to the hands that rock the cradle.

  4. This pangilinan here should be making it to 1-star rank anythime now (he sought Gloria Arroyo personally to offer his services as early as 98 and thanks to his insistence, the AFP Counter Intel Service was revived by Abu a few days before the latter retired.

    He’s definitely your upperclassman – can’t rememnber if 81 or 82 but he was a turnback.

    Am saying he’s a terror for the generals because when he was exec asst to Gen Boy Enrile CSAFP 94 – 96 if my memory doesn’t fail me, he thought he was Enrile himself and used to “terrorize” generals.

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:32 am

    karah, bibeth, and harry

    Giving up our freedoms ala “Singapore” like government is easy for us to say. Look at us, we’ve been here since Friday night, we have no life, we have no freedom even now. I’m even used to a dictatorship. “Give me freedom!” Let me at least go to ALCHEMY?! Cvj, by the way, that place is similar to MINISTRY OF SOUND.

    • cvj on October 8, 2007 at 12:38 am

    ramrod, i went to the Ministry of Sound last year and was a bit disappointed. Their ‘retro’ room (a-la Studio 54) featured 70’s (not 80’s) music. The rest of the rooms are just featureless techno music and some newer music that do not have any melody. BTW, if you visit Singapore, check out Inc over at SwissHotel (in front of Raffles Hotel). They have a good Filipino band.

    • bibeth on October 8, 2007 at 12:39 am

    ramrod

    i’m busy watching karah’s video upload in YouTube

    She’s performing an algorithm dance.. wearing a pumpkin headgear….hahahahaha

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:39 am

    mbw,

    Hmmmmmm. So he’s with the dark side of the force, of which there are many. Lurking in every camp, quarters, barracks, and even outposts, these “intel” operatives may even be disguised as girlfriends and wives. For your information ’81 and ’82 are old, old guys. ’86, ’87, ’88 are more of my upperclassmen, unfortunately most of these classes are not very controversial except for Cesar Mancao, John Campos (may he rest in peace) and his love affair with Rosebud.

    • karah on October 8, 2007 at 12:41 am

    cvj Just because the OPINIONS of FOUR PEOPLE differ from your OPINION, does that make their opinion WRONG? And I didn’t know that you’re not only a “judge of marcos” rather you’re also a “judge of opinions.” Quite interesting and funny in my own estimation. Do you have the MONOPOLY of what’s RIGHT from WRONG? Please enlighten me. 😀

    So, where do we start counting then, Indulge me. It would be good if you tell me the exact Day, Month, and Year where we should start counting. 😀 So, you don’t know as well. I thought you knew.

    There’s a distinction between a so-called GOVERNMENT-to-GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT and a Project undertaken by a PRIVATE ENTITY at the behest of the UPPER CLASS.

    Is Upper Class = Government? No.
    Is ZTE = Government? No.
    Is Upper Class of the Philippines = Chinese Government? No.
    Is Upper Class of the Philippines = ZTE? No.
    What distinction do you still want?

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:45 am

    mbw,

    Sorry, I almost forgot, Mr. Bacarro is one of them.

    • Harry on October 8, 2007 at 12:46 am

    ramrod:

    it’s a custom-made specialized shoes. those smileys look cool. jealous? of course not. seeing karah in here is enough for me. *wink*

    harry c

  5. Hahahah – MR Baccaro indeed!

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:48 am

    “Their ‘retro’ room (a-la Studio 54) featured 70’s (not 80’s) music. The rest of the rooms are just featureless techno music and some newer music that do not have any melody” – cvj

    Thats why they all hauled me to “Crazy Horse,” which I got bored in. It doesn’t hold a candle to our own Pegasus or Classmate, not that I go to these places, I just heard about them.

    • Harry on October 8, 2007 at 12:50 am

    “ramrod :

    karah, bibeth, and harry

    Giving up our freedoms ala “Singapore” like government is easy for us to say. Look at us, we’ve been here since Friday night, we have no life, we have no freedom even now. I’m even used to a dictatorship. “Give me freedom!” Let me at least go to ALCHEMY?! Cvj, by the way, that place is similar to MINISTRY OF SOUND.”

    i’m a simple man. i don’t need a lot of things and a lot of freedoms to be a good person.

    harry c

    • bibeth on October 8, 2007 at 12:55 am

    What good is lots of freedom when it plunges the nation into chaos, disarray and division

    • ramrod on October 8, 2007 at 12:57 am

    mbw,

    If you thought Trillanes and company were crazy, I tell you there’s this upperclassman of mine who actually drove a tank and parked it guns facing the front of city hall, because he had a tiff with the mayor (in the province). Of course, he got demoted, but at least he made the mayor pee in his pants.
    This same guy stormed the Osmena mansion alone ala Rambo because he had a woman friend who was mistreated by Osmena (Emilio) not the lady ex senator. Good thing his platoon came to rescue him, he would have been minced meat to the solon’s private army.

    • cvj on October 8, 2007 at 1:00 am

    karah, it is my opinion that your opinions are wrong. what’s wrong with saying that? given opposing positions, we can’t all be right.

    I think we should start counting from the time that Filipino consciousness was formed around the last part of the 19th century. If i were to set a date, it would be when Father Gomez, Burgos and Zamora were executed.

    The distinctions you make above are not relevant, because as i mentioned above, it is the personalities involved (whether in the business sector, or in government) who belong to the Upper Class.

    • karah on October 8, 2007 at 1:06 am

    cvj Do you know how to respect the opinions of others or it’s just that wanna force your own opinion on other people? Which is which? 😀

    I though you would tell me the day, month, and year that as you say “the filipino consciousness started.” 😀 Teach me about history since you’re quite adept by the looks of it. I’m an avid learner. Do you mean to say that anything before that, “the filipino consciousness” was nowhere to be found? 😀

    My distinctions are my distinctions. Whether it’s right or wrong as stand by them. 😛 It’s as simple as that. Aside from the personalities involved, you should have also considered the ENTITIES INVOLVED since after all, we are talking here of PUBLIC/GOVERNMENT PROJECTS and not PERSONAL/PRIVATE PROJECTS.

    • bibeth on October 8, 2007 at 1:06 am

    hmmmm… its getting more retro…

    From Marcos…. now GomBurZa

    No Magellan please

    • cvj on October 8, 2007 at 1:07 am

    What good is lots of freedom when it plunges the nation into chaos, disarray and division – bibeth

    Why do you assume that freedom will lead the nation into chaos and disarray? In our case, what is bringing us to chaos and disarray is the lack of respect by the Upper and Middle class for others’ rights, including voting rights.

    • cvj on October 8, 2007 at 1:09 am

    bibeth, too late (or too early 😀 ). Karah went all the way back to 1507 (which is before Magellan).

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