Beyond Binondo and Ma Ling

Am in Baguio for a conference, but here’s an article I’ve been long wanting to point out: Beyond Binondo and Ma Ling by Clinton Palanca. His essay, the fruit of his research for a Master’s Degree in Sociology at Oxford, tackles the question of how different generations of the Chinese in the Philippines have approached the idea of integration into mainstream society. He points out that Chinese Filipinos, and Chinese in the Philippines, are confronting this question all over again at present:

THIS IS not intended to paint an overly rosy picture of the situation, though, and neither the ethnic Chinese nor the mainstream Filipino population should be lulled into a complacency regarding their situation. The ideal of the ethnic Chinese who is integrated and thinks of himself or herself as Filipino while retaining Chinese cultural identity does exist, but so does the bigot who sees Filipinos as inferior and adopts a “sojourner” mentality and an instrumental attitude toward the Philippine economy. These two figures form the endpoints of a spectrum along which the Chinese in the Philippines are ranged. A fragile coexistence and acceptance exists now, but may not continue to do so. It is of more than theoretical importance to understand what the factors are, or were, that allowed the Chinese who did so to integrate into Philippine society at a structural level.

Read the whole thing.

The Business Mirror editorial explains what’s fishy about the ZTE deal.

In blogdom: Ricky Carandang says Suspect Number One in the Hello, Garci business is no other than Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita.

Has the Bastille moment’s arrived? Tingog.com and Now What, Cat? (who originally opposed calls for a boycott, but joins them now, for reasons she explains in her blog) vows a battle to the death with The Manila Standard Today. The icon of the new campaign’s already been posted by Touched by an Angel and Stacked. This is a battle royale Vic Agustin, chair of the paper’s board of editors, will relish (to be perfectly frank, this escalation makes me worry for the column security of MST columnists I follow, but all three post their columns in their blogs or websites). The Philosophical Bastard is not impressed.

Carla Montemayor is furious, but not just at one lifestyle writer; sari-saring kulay has things to point out, too. But Manuel Buencamino has a different take on the whole thing:

Malu wrote something politically incorrect. She did not write hate speech.

…It’s obvious Malu did not incite violence or prejudicial action against OFWs who preferred Axe and Charlie to Jo Malone, so she didn’t deserve to be banned like some hate-mongering swine.

Political incorrectness is offensive when it’s not making us laugh; but its opposite, political correctness, is lethal when it’s not merely stifling.

He then makes a connection between Malu Fernandez and Jose Ma. Sison:

Take the case of Joma Sison, who tried to impose political correctness on his party during the 1980s. His rigor may not mean much to us noncommunists, but imagine censors board chief Consoliza Laguardia and Manoling Morato with guns instead of scissors and you’ll see the diabolical side of political correctness.

Returning to his initial point,

Political correctness is the reason why so many people were outraged by Malu’s mocking remarks about OFWs.

Our government says OFWs are the bagong bayani… so, in a manner of speaking, Malu was guilty of the most extreme case of political incorrectness: lese majeste.

But I dont buy this bagong bayani stuff. OFWs are Filipinos who were faced with a choice between a job and no job, a measly salary at home and a better-paying job abroad. There is nothing heroic about the choice they made. Sorry.

Besides, the concept of Bagong Bayani does disservice to Filipinos, who, for whatever reason, continue to work here at home.

Bagong Bayani is a cheap political gimmick concocted by cheap inept politicians who cant create jobs so they make heroes out of the victims of their incompetence.

For every hero abroad, there is a heel in Malacaang who lies and steals credit for the strong peso.

The truth is money will flow from abroad whether its Gloria Arroyo, Noli de Castro, or Kim Il Sung running the show, because OFWs will not allow their loved ones to starve to death

Speaking of Sison… .Manila Bay Watch has an interesting take on Jose Ma. Sison’s investigation and the national characteristics of the Dutch (a spirited defense appears online by Gary Leupp of Tufts University: it’s certainly more coherent and possibly, convincing, than other defenses: but as reading Conceptual Stunt Double indicates, it requires accepting certain basic premises, e.g. the undesirability of the Philippines being “capital compost”, or the wrongness of the US anti-terror efforts, in one of the few countries on earth that still likes Dubya and America very much). And here’s an interesting entry in in Literature in a Hurry, a blog by a Filipina TV journalist recently moved to the Netherlands:

My brother was actually the one who told me that the Dutch embassy issued a warning to Dutch nationals in the country and to those who would like to go for a visit. The embassy is afraid that the NPA will retaliate against the Dutch nationals. This after the NPA issued a statement that they are not planning to harm nationals coming from The Netherlands.

My sister teased me saying that story is following me wherever I go. I never actually thought of it that way. Maybe that’s callousness on my part. Or just insensitivity to the importance of a story due to a long relationship with the government network. They don’t want stories about Joma. Because as they say, it just makes him famous.

And here’s a jolly little development: The Jovito R. Salonga Journal. And a rebranding: the blog formerly known as Stepping on Poop is now reason is the reason.

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  1. Rego,

    In sports Korek ka dyan!
    Basketball pa din! Not even biodiversity and genetics can make them past the Asian championships.

    Soccer,I understandd is making a much delayed push in the US,all they need to do is hire Mexicans as naturalized players to make it to the world cup…Just kidding.

    Dito soccer pag dating ng high school,nawawala na ng interest ang mga players. Napansin ko kasi yung mga elementary nakakaabot pa past eliminations sa Europe,pag tapos nun wala na.

    baseball,pwede din sana..

    Sorry,no sports program to speak of,pagpalit ng bagong sports head,tabula rasa..back to scratch again.

    Unfortunate circumstance=Politics.

    I wont say kawawa or pathetic,that won’t solve anything.

    Even in school the teacher would just say:needs improvement!

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    benign0: It’s ironic that you fail to realise that the answer to your question already lies within the question itself.

    No it doesnt, benny. What is ‘real’? This depends upon the underlying philosophy. Does the ‘real’ in planet benign0 have a value system, for instance? Does planet benign0 have such as thing as art? What is ‘true’ in planet benign0? What is a human life worth? Is there such a thing as freedom of choice? Etc.

    This is a fairly easy question. But since youd rather skirt around it than face it head-on, I would respect that and leave you alone (also because I find the weaseling and evasiveness in answering the question tiring).

    • cvj on September 6, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Love of country? What is it exactly? Love of country is just a concept concocted by old relics back when “revolution” was the only option for many societies. This feeling (sometimes called “nationalism”) induced in the vacuous minds of the masses was romanticised and often used towards the perverse ends of many leaders (if you think about it, nationalism’s close cousin — organised religion — also has the same effect). – Benign0

    Romanticization is indeed an element of nationalism, but far from being merely ‘romantic’, love of country has had a practical value. It is the sense of collective identity that enabled those countries that i mentioned to get their act together. The Americans, Koreans, French and others worked for something beyond themselves, their families and their own communities.

    Nevertheless, i’m not suggesting for us to love our country because of its proven practical value alone. I guess just like other forms of love, it’s either you have it or you don’t. Given this, it’s a good thing that you’ve chosen to leave the Philippines, but what i can’t figure out is if you don’t have love of country, why then don’t you just leave the Filipinos alone? I can’t believe that you’ve gone through all the trouble of putting up a website, a wiki, maintaining it for all these years, writing a book, just to troll the Filipino people.

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Karlo,

    For historical accuracy, refresh our minds about the whole “Reaffirmists versus Rejectionists” issue.

    Didn’t that issue peak after Marcos was deposed?

    Didn’t the purges happen because the post Marcos democratic space allowed communists to continue their struggle parliamentarily so many communists decided to reject armed struggle even as Joma continued to reaffirm it?

    Kau naman. Hanggang ngayon ba ipagpipilit mo pa na walang purge na nangyari? Isang tambak na bangkay ang nagkalat at isang katutak na kwento ang madidinig mo sa mga dating followers ni Joma na marami talagang napatay dahil iniwan nila ang armed stuggle.

    Admittedly, it remains to be proven in court that Joma ordered the purge. But proving that in court is one thing.

    The other thing is to ask yourself:

    Sino kaya ang nagsisinungaling? Si Joma o yung mga dating kakampi niya?

    At ano kaya yun, nagusap lahat ng mga dating kakampi ni Joma at pinagkasunduan nila na magimbento ng kasinungalingan tungkol sa purge?

    Yun ba ang reason kung bakit halos pare-pareho ang kwento nila?

    O baka naman kasi totoo nga yun sinsabi nila?

    Karlo, yun namesake mong si Karl Marx matagal ng kinain ng uod. Si Mao din. Ang natitira na lang ang uod, si Joma.

    Kung gusto mo iyang kainin eh bahala ka. Pero huwag mo ng aksayahin ang panahon mo na kumbinsihin ako na masasarapan ako sa lasa ni Joma.

    Hindi ako kumakain ng uod.

  2. TDC.
    Nilulubos lubos ko lang ang commenting time dahil babalik na naman ang pasulpot sulpot ko.
    Re: job sa senate:(nagmukha naman akong senador sa description mo)
    Bilib nga ako sa erpat ko kung pano nya nagagwa ng manu manu ang mga pinagagwa sa kanya dati.

    Di ko alm na ganun pala ang impluwensya nya sa decision making dito sa pinas.

    Ang dami pa din hands off sa akin and for their eyes and ears only,dati ba naman me pinost ako sa blog ko,nagulat ako naboljak ako ng erpat ko,di naman marunong mag internet yun.

    Eto ngang Coup warning ko sa thread na ito…akala harmless di pala. So last na ito..Who are they afraid of?

    First they sent the marines to the wolves,then they do it again by sending fresh PMA graduates to the snipers,tapos boodle fight boodle fight pa.

    Tapos,they make Norbert Gonzales a prime suspect of launching a coup? Oh,they did damage control alreadyand said the visit was voluntary,and no one called whom…

    So now,the ghost bustds busted the self created ghost.
    And everything is under control again. So it seems.

    Even in the wire tappings,kampante sila me constitutional law expert naman daw sila eh.
    *******************************************

    About health,ang gastos Hesus Ginooo! Kung magtiwala naman ako sa herbal,mahal din di pa sigurado.

    Thank you TDC,
    ang ikli ng tanung mo, ang haba ng sagot ko.

    Ingat.

    • rego on September 6, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Oh no no, MB.

    I am not criczing your article. Di ko pa nababasa eh. I was only commenting on the dicussion on OFW hero labels based on what I read in this blog.

    I agree with you though na meron ding OFW na conscious dyan sa mga label label na yan. Pero doon sa tintamabayn kong Pinoy karaoke restaurant ( with Pinoy band every weekends), bibihirang bihirang nabbanggit yang mga label at malu Frenadez article na yan. I guess we are just there to really relax after a very tiresome week. So walang panahon para magmayabang o mag malaki bilang “Hero kuno”. I tried before to open up a discussion about the political situtations sa Pinas. But they just wont take it eh…

    • rego on September 6, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    “Soccer,I understandd is making a much delayed push in the US,all they need to do is hire Mexicans as naturalized players to make it to the world cup…Just kidding.”
    ——————————————————-
    Karl, I more into sports that is universal. Gusto yung iba ibang lahi ang nag lalaban. Di ko type yung country specific sports. Katulad ng baseball at american footbal na yan. Puro kano lang ang mapapanood mo.

    • rego on September 6, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Also Karl,

    come to think about it. Sports can be naother source of income or international fame…so kung wala masyadong job opportunities. Why not sports.

    I was looking at the country distbution sa mag tennis players. Some of them are coming from third woorld counries too. Like Argentina and Chile and thos former USSR nations.

    Pero napansin ko rin. Bihirang bihira talaga ang asian sa Tennis at soccer. Its like its not really Pinoy specific mukhang Asian issue eh….

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    “This is a fairly easy question. But since youd rather skirt around it than face it head-on, I would respect that and leave you alone (also because I find the weaseling and evasiveness in answering the question tiring).”

    Just when I thought the conversation was getting interesting. But suit yourself then.

    As to the philosophical underpinning of “Get Real” which seems to escape you, well, let’s just say that if you find the need to weave a complex and intricate philosophical framework around what is really a simple thing as an effort to understand the simple truth about the nature and character of Pinoys well, sorry to say that the answers will indeed continue to escape you. 😉

    ““Mine” na pala ang Australia sa iyo?
    Mate, until your Likas and Papaya juice soaps show results, you’re still the shrimp in their barbi.”

    What makes you think you or anyone for that matter is anyone “special” in the Philippines? The fact that the quality of government service given to Pinoy citizens DEPENDS on WHO YOU KNOW and WHO YOU ARE merely highlights how clueless Pinoys are about how badly they are treated IN THEIR HOME country.

    Compare that to societies who treat ALL human beings with respect regardless of who they are, where they come from, and who they know. Your statement “‘Mine’ na pala ang Australia sa iyo” is very telling, dude. It shows that people like you tie your self-worth to affiliation with a nation/state or concept (the latter is evident in people who identify blindly with philosophies as well). That’s ironic considering the Philippines is progressively becoming a society of mercenary workers who’s only allegiance is to the community that pays them the best returns for the skills and talents they have to offer. The fact that many of them even choose war-torn desert kingdoms over their home country (if you can even call it that) speaks volumes about how PATHETIC the Philippines has become. 😀

    • cvj on September 6, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Compare that to societies who treat ALL human beings with respect regardless of who they are- Benign0

    I suppose this does not apply to your Get Real team since your group advocates forcibly neutering parents of streetchildren.

    That’s ironic considering the Philippines is progressively becoming a society of mercenary workers who’s only allegiance is to the community that pays them the best returns for the skills and talents they have to offer. – Benign0

    Benign0, just to clarify. It doesn’t mean that by working overseas, OFW’s don’t love their home country. In fact, my stay here overseas has made me value and appreciate my country more. I look forward to every visit and am hoping for the time when i can support my family even while working locally. I’m sure that feeling is shared by many fellow OFW’s.

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    Rego,

    I think it’s Pinoy specific, ie. football.

    Football seems like the number one sport in Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Indonesia.

    European soccer teams, notably the English Premier League, have imported some players from Thailand,
    South Koreans and Japanese players have also played in Europe and England.

    There are two brothers, Filipino-Brits, who might break into the international scene. One of them trained with the Chelsea youth squad (Chelsea is one of the top football teams in England.) Last I heard one of the brothers was being given a look-over by the LA football team that British Football star David Beckham joined.

    America is one of the few countries in the world that does not follow football. What they call football over there does not involved ball contact with feet. Realize that the Olympics, in terms of global viewership, is sandwiched between the World Cup and the European Cup.

    Size sa tingin ko ang reason kung bakit bihira ang Asian sa football.

    During off season, some European and English premier teams go to Asia on promo tours and play in exhibition cups against Asian teams, Thailand, Japan, China and South Korea for example. The Asians are really good players pero tulad ng Thailand that has beaten and drawn with English premier league clubs bugbug sarado ang players nila. Everytime time you have major body contact, the Thai players are carried out off the field while their opponents just brush off the pain.

    Pero South Koreans matigas ang katawan.

    Also Europe and England are loaded with players from Africa and South America. Para na ngang baseball o NBA kung minsan. Mas maraming may kulay laysa sa mga puti in the top teams.

    Pero size seems to be the bottom line in most competitive team sports. Kung sabagay maski sa golf yun malaki at malakas lamang na kaagad, all things being equal of course.

    • cvj on September 6, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    Pero South Koreans matigas ang katawan. – MB

    Puwera si BoA 😀

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Benigno,

    1. “Compare that to societies who treat ALL human beings with respect regardless of who they are, where they come from, and who they know.”

    Give me ONE example, mate. Find me one country in the world where your statement holds true.

    2. “Your statement “‘Mine’ na pala ang Australia sa iyo” is very telling, dude. It shows that people like you tie your self-worth to affiliation with a nation/state or concept (the latter is evident in people who identify blindly with philosophies as well).”

    You said “yours or mine” when I said “para kang langaw na nakatungtong sa kalabaw”

    So it’s you who ties your self-worth to affiliation with a nation/state, not me.

    Signs #1 and #2 of inferiority complex yan according to TKC . You project your smallness on others, mate.
    ng hang-ups mo sa ibang tao.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    benign0: As to the philosophical underpinning of “Get Real” which seems to escape you, well, let’s just say that if you find the need to weave a complex and intricate philosophical framework around what is really a simple thing as an effort to understand the simple truth about the nature and character of Pinoys well, sorry to say that the answers will indeed continue to escape you.

    Naka! More weaseling. Oh well. I can only live in hope. Im not sure I even want it, benny, if it exists. Im just giving you the chance to present it here, where more people will see it than from visiting your site. Im beginning to doubt you even understand what an underlying philosophy is.

    You dont need to weave an intricate metaphysical framework around it since I doubt you could come up with something original. (Forced sterilization? That’s so 19th century.) If it’s just whatever you fancy, I’ll accept that. We’ll call it benign0ism, because fascism has already been taken.

    But I’ll give you one more chance to present the underlying philosophy of Get Real to the thousands of visitors who come to MLQ3’s site from all over the world. If there is one, that is. Go.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    MB: 1. “Compare that to societies who treat ALL human beings with respect regardless of who they are, where they come from, and who they know.”

    Give me ONE example, mate. Find me one country in the world where your statement holds true.

    Sus, si MB. E di sa Planet Benign0. The!

    • rego on September 6, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    “Pero size seems to be the bottom line in most competitive team sports. Kung sabagay maski sa golf yun malaki at malakas lamang na kaagad, all things being equal of course.”

    ——————————————————
    O yes MB,

    But I believe, malaki pa rin ang pagkukulang ng gobyerno. Wala kasing matinong sports development program na katulad ng sabi ni Karl.

    We can not pick on the business sector naman. Kasi syempre they want their ROI din. So kung anong sports ang kumita eh doon sila. So it will always be basketball for Pinoys.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    If we’re sticking with basketball, what the BAP could do is to lobby support for height divisions in basketball with the IOC and FIBA, the same way there are weight divisions in boxing.

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 3:51 pm

    Rego,

    Hindi pa kasi nakikita ng mga kurakot kung papaano pagkikitaan ang sports. Hindi nila makita an “=” between fame and revenue.

    Pero yun mga businessmen yan ang problema. Sa kanila dapat manggaling ang entrepreneural spirit pero takot sila maginvest kasi puro rentista ang utak.

    Nakita mo naman dyan sa America every season may major sports. Ang tatapang kc ng mga negosyante magumpisa na bagong liga. Nakikita nila kc ang potential returns kung pumutok ang isang sport.

    Magkano lang ang major sports franchise thirty years ago? Tignan mo ang NBA. Linalangaw yan noong sixties. Kc magaling magpromote ang franchise holders at malakas ang loob nilang maginvest, ang laking rgosyo na ngayon.

    At tignan mo ang bayad sa players ngayon. Ang sweldo sa isang suoerstar ngayon mas malaki pa kaysa sa presyo ng franchise twenty years ago.

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Jeg,

    Simubukan na yan dati. Nagkaroon ng tournament na may height limit. Pero walang nangyari kc siempre slams ang hinahanap ng fans. (Yun pinsan kong bansot kasama pa sa team na nagpunta sa Spain)

    Siguro mas okay kung mas maliit ang bola at mas mababa ang basket para sa maliliit. Para may slam pa din

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    “Give me ONE example, mate. Find me one country in the world where your statement holds true.”

    Tsk tsk. It’s actually sad that you are not aware of any. Well, to be fair, I guess that’s what happens when people’s minds are so desinsitised by justice as to actually think that injustice prevails EVERYWHERE. 😉

    Jeg: One more chance ba? Very well. Why don’t we call the underlying philosophy of Get Real “getrealism” then? But before I go on, why don’t YOU explain first what an “underlying philosophy” is so that we can see if we are singing off the same page. 😉

    “You dont need to weave an intricate metaphysical framework around it since I doubt you could come up with something original”

    Who said I was being original? I never made any claim to have invented any of the ideas I assert. In fact they are ideas that surround you and I everyday ready for picking. The tragedy is that Pinoys are simply oblivious — no, in DENIAL — of these quaint truths.

    Then again, I doubt even if you scour the Web, that you’d find a site that PACKAGES together the dysfunctions of Pinoys into a neat little website and delivers it in that in-your-face style that GetRealPhilippines.COM is world-renowned for. 😉

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    “Simubukan na yan dati. Nagkaroon ng tournament na may height limit. Pero walang nangyari kc siempre slams ang hinahanap ng fans. (Yun pinsan kong bansot kasama pa sa team na nagpunta sa Spain)

    Siguro mas okay kung mas maliit ang bola at mas mababa ang basket para sa maliliit. Para may slam pa din”

    This is actually a microcosm of some of the arguments I encounter whenever I emphasise the need to ACHIEVE in the arena of WORLD standards of EXCELLENCE.

    Most Pinoys would rather have the standards DOWNGRADED to suit the limitations of our abilities to achieve in the world arena of just about ANYTHING. 😀

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    Benigno,

    Me – “Give me ONE example, mate. Find me one country in the world where your statement holds true.”

    You – “Tsk tsk. It’s actually sad that you are not aware of any. Well, to be fair, I guess that’s what happens when people’s minds are so desinsitised by justice as to actually think that injustice prevails EVERYWHERE.”

    AMININ MO NA WALA KANG MAPAKITA. HUWAG KANG KENKOY.

    Next time be careful na lang about making sweeping hot air statements so you don’t have to weasel out of an embarrassing jam.

    “Siguro mas okay kung mas maliit ang bola at mas mababa ang basket para sa maliliit. Para may slam pa din”

    Hijo, sarcasm ang tawag dyan hindi “a microcosm of some of the arguments I encounter whenever I emphasise the need to ACHIEVE in the arena of WORLD standards of EXCELLENCE.”

    Eh maliliit tayo eh. Anong gusto mo mangyari, level the playing the playing field by cutting off every tall person at the knees?

    Gets mo na, mate?

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    Benigno,

    Ayan ka na naman gumagawa ng universal rule – “Most Pinoys would rather have the standards DOWNGRADED to suit the limitations of our abilities to achieve in the world arena of just about ANYTHING.”

    Ayusin mo ang utak mo para maging malinaw ang isip mo. Your head is full of straws. Assert a fallacy then use it as a soapbox to propagate wrongheaded ideas.

    Pull your head out of your ass once in a while, mate.

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    “AMININ MO NA WALA KANG MAPAKITA. HUWAG KANG KENKOY.”

    Let’s say for argument’s sake that Australia is such a country then.

    “Eh maliliit tayo eh. Anong gusto mo mangyari, level the playing the playing field by cutting off every tall person at the knees?”

    Nope. We chose the sport, therefore we should play it to standards agreed at the larger global community.

    Problema sa atin, papasok pasok tayo sa alanganin and then we have the nerve to be asked to be given a break.

    Pinoy nga naman talaga. 😀

    • cvj on September 6, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Jeg, i think you’ve given him enough chances. I agree with MB that Benign0’s philosophy resembles that of Ayn Rand’s. BTW, with regards to your blog entry (on elitism), he’s just the kind of person who will present himself as the ‘elite’ which is why i’m wary of any real-world system that operates on the basis. Marami pang katulad niya, hindi lang siguro ganoon ka-‘in-your-face’ ang style.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    benign0: Why don’t we call the underlying philosophy of Get Real “getrealism” then?

    Which doesnt really say much, does it? (How about weaselism?) I dont think I have to explain to you what underlying philosophy is, benny. You went to high school. I give you license to assume it to mean whatever it means to you. Then I’ll get on that page. How’s that? In fact, youve given me and everyone else enough clues already. Which brings me to this question, which set off the whole line of inquiry in the first place: Do you, benny, personally endorse the idea of forced sterilization of the parents of street children? I understand the idea wasnt from you but from a member of your group.

    I doubt even if you scour the Web, that you’d find a site that PACKAGES together the dysfunctions of Pinoys into a neat little website and delivers it in that in-your-face style that GetRealPhilippines.COM is world-renowned for.

    I will have to take your word for it, mein freund.

    Oh this: Most Pinoys would rather have the standards DOWNGRADED to suit the limitations of our abilities to achieve in the world arena of just about ANYTHING. is not about the limitations of our abilities. It is about Pinoys being so damn short. Unless you believe looks = abilities?

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    Benigno,

    “AMININ MO NA WALA KANG MAPAKITA. HUWAG KANG KENKOY.”
    Let’s say for argument’s sake that Australia is such a country then.

    Oh sige, argue your case.

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    If you will refer to my donation page, you will find the following passage at the last paragraph:

    “Great nations were not built on good intentions. They were built on business sense. Real change in Pinoy society will never be achieved through the “sacrifice” of altruistic “heroes”. True change will be driven by people who find no shame in expecting a buck for their trouble”

    As to personally endorsing sterilisation of street kids, well, to be honest, I never really gave it much thought. If you think about it, parenthood is a responsibility. To choose to have kids (in this day and age of available CHOICE) and then not having enough resources to raise them right is IRRESPONSIBLE. I find the question in light of this hypocritical coming from someone who belongs to a society that tolerates the existence of children living and feeding off mounds of rubbish. The question then becomes: Which is the greater evil – forced sterilisation or ALLOWING children to live and eat off garbage mounds?

    .
    “is not about the limitations of our abilities. It is about Pinoys being so damn short”

    Sorry to burst your bubble but basketball requires not only skill but collective HEIGHT in order for a team excel in it. You can’t choose basketball as your sport THEN go around whining about how short you are. That’s just pathetic. 😀

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    Marami pang katulad niya, hindi lang siguro ganoon ka-’in-your-face’ ang style.

    I dont know about you, but I love it that he hangs out here. Maybe we can get Malu Fernandez to join in. That should be fun. Im sure she’ll do it after she sees how we’ve treated benny with the utmost respect.

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    “Oh sige, argue your case”

    I thought you’d never ask, dude. 😉

    For starters, between the Philippines and Australia:

    (1) In which country would you be more likely to trust the police when you are in trouble?

    (2) In which country would you be able to rest assured that your taxes are being spent REASONABLY wisely?

    (3) In which country would you be able to trust a government official to do the right thing IN MOST CASES?

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:40 pm

    Benigno,

    “Eh maliliit tayo eh. Anong gusto mo mangyari, level the playing the playing field by cutting off every tall person at the knees?”
    Nope. We chose the sport, therefore we should play it to standards agreed at the larger global community.

    Nampucha di mo nga gets.

    I guess you’re someone who has to be told “joke lang itong sasabihin ko, mate” before a joke is told. At kailangan pang ipaliwanag sa iyo kung bakit nakakatawa yun joke.

    Ganito yun mate. May isang tao na pumasok sa maling pinto. Di niya akalain mga higante pala ang makakatapat niya, Eh so sabi niya sa sarili niya “Napasubo na din lamang ako, gamitin ko na lang ang utak ko para hindi ako ma-agrabyado.”

    Mate, yun ang joke dun. Stupid does as stupid gets, ika nga. Kuha mo na ba?

    Para bang, how do we solve the problem of street children? Well we sterilize their parents.

    O di ba hindi na nalalayo ang utak mo dun sa puputol ng hita ng matatangkad para pantay ang laban?

    Please, follow my advise. Get your head out of your ass!

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    MB, a jok ba? Sometimes kasi I forget na hanggang patawa na lang ang Pinoy e. 😀

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Benigno,

    “Oh sige, argue your case”
    I thought you’d never ask, dude.
    For starters, between the Philippines and Australia:
    (1) In which country would you be more likely to trust the police when you are in trouble?
    (2) In which country would you be able to rest assured that your taxes are being spent REASONABLY wisely?
    (3) In which country would you be able to trust a government official to do the right thing IN MOST CASES?

    ARGUE YOUR CASE NGA. DON’T MAKE ME ARGUE IT FOR YOU. MAKE ASSERTIONS SUPPORTED BY FACTS.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    benign0: Which is the greater evil – forced sterilisation or ALLOWING children to live and eat off garbage mounds?

    Good question but there is really no choice. If I were king of the world there would be no forced sterilization and there would be no children living off garbage mounds.

    If you think about it, parenthood is a responsibility.

    It is. And in Planet Benign0, all parents are responsible, all people are rational, “ALL human beings with respect regardless of who they are, where they come from, and who they know”. On planet earth, that is not the case. Not all are rational, but not through choice. If everyone were responsible and rational, we wouldnt be having this converation.

    Sorry to burst your bubble but basketball requires not only skill but collective HEIGHT in order for a team excel in it.

    Huh? Says who? Have you ever played basketball? Do you even go out at all? All basketball requires is a ball a basket with a backboard and players. There is no height requirement for excellence. The other teams just happens to be taller, and as mb said, divisions were tried before but no one watched it because they couldnt slam the ball. (Slamming the ball isnt a requirement, by the way. It just increases marketability. Nothing to do with skills.)

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Benigno

    “MB, a jok ba? Sometimes kasi I forget na hanggang patawa na lang ang Pinoy e.”

    Pati ba naman ang pagkadense mo sisisihin mo pa sa Pinoy?

    Pero yun joke ko at yun sterilization campaign mo pareho, di ba?

    Kaya lang ako nagbibiro pero ikaw serious. Pagkaganun, mate, ikaw ang nagiging joke.

  3. Re ManuelB to Benigno: “Pati ba naman ang pagkadense mo sisisihin mo pa sa Pinoy?”

    Oo nga naman. Hehehehe!

  4. Really, if Australia – and what goes with it, eg, their government, their values, their courage, etc. – is the measure of all that is the best in the world (I know, I know, you never said it but that’s how you come out saying things…) for you Benigno, I suggest you travel more, visit other countries and after doing that, publish a recipe of sorts that would be more palatable to Pinoys.

    The Aussie recipe you’ve got may not taste bad to you but boy, the way you mix your ingredients produce a dish that leaves a bitter taste in the mouth and so makes your dish or what you dish out completely unacceptable to the palate of even the most willing Pïnoy ‘taster’.

    Also, I have a suspicion that your view from down under is most likely blurred if not warped by the looking glass you use…

    You just may be right, but at the end of the day, you ain’t right because people don’t get you right.

  5. Or you can’t make people see you right… so what you do or say becomes useless.

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    “ARGUE YOUR CASE NGA. DON’T MAKE ME ARGUE IT FOR YOU. MAKE ASSERTIONS SUPPORTED BY FACTS.”

    That’s precisely what I’m doing, dude — making a point by asking rhetorical questions. Sometimes one fails to see the obvious even when it is staring him in the face.

    Come to think of it that’s another philosophical underpinning we could add to “getrealism”. 😉

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    “The Aussie recipe you’ve got may not taste bad to you but boy, the way you mix your ingredients produce a dish that leaves a bitter taste in the mouth and so makes your dish or what you dish out completely unacceptable to the palate of even the most willing Pïnoy ‘taster’.

    Also, I have a suspicion that your view from down under is most likely blurred if not warped by the looking glass you use…

    You just may be right, but at the end of the day, you ain’t right because people don’t get you right.”

    Thanks for the psychoanalysis, mate. I’ll keep it on file. It might come in handy sometime. 😀

    • cvj on September 6, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    Jeg, i can’t say i enjoy his presence but i’m obliged to tolerate it. He makes a good case study though since i think he represents a particular type of Filipino.

  6. Benigno,

    “I’ll keep it on file. It might come in handy sometime.”

    Why do tomorrow what you can do today? Ayan, manana system ka pala eh!

  7. cvj, your comment, “he makes a good case study” – seems Benigno agrees with you (though implied).

    Hahahahah!

    • manuelbuencamino on September 6, 2007 at 6:14 pm

    Benigno,

    Rhetorics is the last refuge of those who possess no facts.

  8. Rego;
    tennis: ang surface kasi dito puro shell na sabi nila clay na din daw.

    Eh kung clay sana sa french open tayo lumaban.
    Walang god father,o ninong para sa tennis at this point eh.

    boxing yung mga lighter weights natin kumakasa na.

    Yung archers,yungg billiards of course bowling,amateur wrestling.wu shu,etc,

    Ilan ba ang olymoic sport dun, di ko sure eh,pero sa archery at boxing sigurado,sa wushu di ko alm kung meron tayo at amateur wrestling.

    sa Beijing Olympics ,makikita natin ang progress.

    • benign0 on September 6, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    “Rhetorics is the last refuge of those who possess no facts”

    And speculation on people’s personal circumstances is the last refuge of minds that lack imagination. 😀

  9. Karl,

    There’s one Olympic sport that the Filipinos can try to excel in: SAILING.

    I’ve already mentioned this to Garec at one point and to Tony Sibayan.

    • Jeg on September 6, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    cvj: He makes a good case study though since i think he represents a particular type of Filipino.

    That’s exactly what I mean. Ive never encountered anyone like him in real life and I have to say his case is fascinating. Either he’s exceptionally brilliant or he has Asperger’s syndrome.

  10. Malaysia holds international regattas (latest one recently) inviting world-class sailors. I’m not saying Filipinos should compete in the America Cup but there is a strong chance of Filipinos excelling in the sport that could qualify them in international competitions.

    Earlier on, back in the late 70s, most of the folks who tried for the UK Olympic sailing team were from the Royal Navy.

    The Phil Navy has got the resources, manpower and the possible sponsors to seriously start a credible sailing team. The Navy was gifted with a very nice and magnificent 30 footer sail boat at the time which nobody used; it went on to rot!

    You got the water, the wind and many have the know how – the ability to gauge wind (nothing to do of course with sailing a war ship).

  11. MBW,

    I understand, if some of our athletes are enlisted personnel like in boxing,then our navy boys can give it a try.
    i gogled sailing,and the last participation of team philippines was in the 2002 Busan Asian Games. We have a promising 13 yearr old then, I wonder what hapenned to the fellow.

    Again, it is really hard not to have a sports program, maybe one day we will sitdown and reflect on what we really are capable of. That, I believe is how to get real.

    Rego,

    Soccer:

    Kung subukan lang natin idevelope to, pwede sana. In boxing and mixed matrtial arts Filipino can be tough.

    Soccer or football is the number one watched sport in Asia,as far as STAR SPORTS is concerned.

    Pero tama,higante ang mga Europeans,pati na yata ang mga South Americans.
    But does soccer require height and heft?

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