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By mlq3 Posted in Daily Dose on August 28, 2006 64 Comments 6 min read
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To prevent the Guimaras oil spill from spreading, chemical dispersants being used. President decides to cancel foreign contract for oil exploration –foreign investors not amused.

Red tape getting worse, says businessmen. There is an emergency in education, businessmen also announce -and they intend to do something about it, lest they run out of qualified managers.

Melo Commission sworn in tomorrow. He asks for cooperation. I’m willing to suspend judgment until they issue their report.

President won’t cut short term, so no one should get their hopes up. She says, punish those who made possible cheating in nursing exams. Randy David suggests what ought to be done.

Southcom cut into two parts: ostensibly to react better to threats, but what if also to curtail any mischief on the part of a powerful military command?

Newsbreak feature on the Lebanese among us.

Curiously, the person accused of trying to assassinate PM Thaksin says he’s an admirer. But is Thaksin facing a future that requires exile and disgrace?

In Malaysia, Mahathir has ended up like our own Fidel Ramos.

In Singapore, is the Prime Minister out of touch?

Cha-Cha-1

(Free Press editorial cartoon by the late E.Z. Izon, circa 1997) Of course media is also focused on the ongoing question pending before the Comelec: what to do with the so-called “people’s initiative”? Fidel Ramos says it’s all perfectly legal. Those who agree and disagree explain their respective positions. One way or another, it will reach the Supreme Court. Government faced with El Shaddai saying “no”. Inquirer editorial says government move is scary; Fr. Joaquin Bernas says the move is scary, but he trusts the Supreme Court cares about the verdict of history; Billy Esposo says constitutional amendments is the oligarchy’s Trojan horse. Edong Manabat cheekily argues for a monarchy.

Rep. Teddy Locsin, in his explanation of his vote on impeachment, says Congress must remain bicameral until 2007 at least, because the impeachment process has moved out of the halls of Congress and into the country at large. But the House doesn’t want to take the risk.

In the punditocracy, my column for today is Pluck yourselves. Thank you to readers who caught the deliberate resemblance to the style of the late Joe Guevera. Other lines that couldn’t fit in my column:

Rep. Marcoleta says he has no human hair to donate for cleanup. Environmentalists reply that his toupee will do as a mop or even as an artificial reef.

Rep. Cuenco offers his hair, but DENR says they’re afraid it would create another oil slick.

Raul Lambino asked what his inspiration is. Points to Sigaw website that says, “this nation will be great again.” Imee Marcos accuses Lambino of plagiarizing her father’s famous “this nation can be great again.” Lambino replies, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

JB Baylon discusses why flying to Germany to disprove the existence of accounts is a lot of crap (Philippine Politics 04 points to report that President’s husband presented the wrong account number, anyway) -and why the issue of accounts is not crap at all.

Amando Doronila argues something I’ve pointed out often enough here and in private: the President’s check-mated opposition to her by keeping events bottled up in Metro Manila. But, I do think Doronila overlooks a couple of things, too.

First, the resentment of the rest of the country against the capital disguises the relative freedom residents of Metro Manila enjoy. I recall an activist for indigenous people’s rights saying something at a symposium some months ago: “you people in Metro Manila are lucky you can still complain; in the provinces we can’t do that; if we tried to protest in our areas the governors and mayors would never let it happen.”

For example, protests have taken place in other metropolitan areas: in Cebu, in Davao, in Baguio, the same places where remarkable protests took place, too, both in 1986 and 2001, except they were overshadowed by events in Manila. In those places, urban development means there’s also more democratic space.

And Doronila also overlooks something that the President, in league with the military, has been able to do: precisely prevent non-Manilans from joining protests in the metropolis. Last July and up to last February, people tried to join from as far as the Visayas and Mindanao. Ferries were blocked, caravans stopped, all entry points to Metro Manila cordoned off.

But I do agree with Doronila’s observation that opponents of the President are handicapped by their inability to more effectively engage the provinces. If the overall Philippine economy has a lifesaver in overseas remittances, so do the provinces, and the ability of people to leave for abroad serves as a great mechanism for relieving social pressure. Also, even to engage the provinces for a national cause requires resources only the President can harness, as proven by the so-called “people’s initiative.” When I proposed a similar (but province-centric) solution, it wasn’t taken up because no one had the money for it.

But the things that do provide hope for the country are taking place in the provinces. Read Jonathan Rowe in the San Francisco Chronicle to see just one example. Not that everything is peachy keen: evictions from Naga City Hall; demands for residence certificates in Baler -including teenagers.

Liling Briones on schools that avoid the temptation to view their activities as purely a business enterprise.

Administrator on a critic of micro finance efforts in Mindanao.
Bong Austero on a trend few have noticed: while Filipinos take pride in taking care of the elderly, more and more of the elderly are suffering neglect.

In the blogosphere, Susan Ople explains One Voice’s opposition filed before the Comelec today. big mango thinks constitutional amendments are being peddled as a miracle drug.

Philippine Commentary watched Media in Focus (see Sassy Lawyer’s account on her guesting). Newsstand attempts a survey of sorts.

caffeine sparks thinks the Secretary of Justice had a lapsus senilis. Maimed by Rock and Roll would rather see him marooned on an ice floe.

Butch Dalisay delves into the history of the University of the Philippines.

Gigi goes Gaga on positive imitation. Galatea goes on a book-buying binge.

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  1. On Mr Dornilas column, eversince naman Gloria has outsmarted the opposition and the cvil society group ehs. And I dont understand why this two is not getting it at all or even most of the bloggers here. I still have to see a very smart move from the opposition and the civil society until this day. The rabid anti gloria in this blog naman are still saying the same thing al over again after two years. Nothing is evolving at all!!!. I still love the ideas coming out from our yahoo group….

  2. Teddy Locsin’s explanation was disappointing. He sounded more like Edcel Lagman than his father, Teodoro Sr.

    Teddy Boy disproved the old cliche about an apple not falling far from the tree. It seems they do, specially when there are strong political winds. Or maybe I’m wrong, because Teddy Boy’s father was not an apple tree. He was a molave who stood for what was right and not just for the “right” side .

  3. MLQ3, I think Doronila has a point. It’s really true that the opposition has been so blindly obsessed in their desperation to get rid of GMA that the opposition is not capable of seeing the signs, Not surprising cuz the opposition is not capable at all to separate issues from personalities.You tell me what explains you people getting defeated at every turn if you people are really doing the right things?
    The world is changing in short.
    “Imperial Manila” is not the Philippines
    Neither are the “Manila elite” control the “evolution” of this country.
    I think that your just generalizing what one activist says.
    Face it, your just giving excuses.Will a hundred thousand or 1 million people more non-Manilans make a difference in proportion to the entire population?.
    Your line of reasoning or the lack of it just puts the Military in bad light. Are you saying the Military is a tool for supression?
    The facts are that the opposition does not & never had the numbers in Congress & much less in the streets. what can you therefore expect from the provinces?
    The world is changing, just that others don’t like change.People’s world are much bigger now. when one steps out of his house in the morning he steps into a wide world of oppurtunity.
    Sana naman you don’t have to exploit or dramatize why people look for jobs abroad. Because most of the time those pinoys who go abroad bring a good name to the country. Much more then those who are here can do.

  4. impeachment or no impeachment, just brin joc-joc in. he should nail gma’s coffin. [we can, of course, throw him in there, too.]

    mga rotarians diyan, how’s your search for the truth?

  5. joselu, of course the military is being used as tool for supression, not just in metro manila but throughout the country.

  6. You will recall that until martial law, private armies were the manifestation of local autonomy. One of the first acts of Marcos was to disarm warlords because he had to centralize his authority. Local officials were powerless during martial law.

    After martial law, local officials regained some of their former power . The Local Autonomy Law sought to increase and institutionalize local power in a positive way. But the aims of that progressive law went unfullfilled because the president retained control over the disbursement of funds. He who has the gold….

    What Doronilla identified is not a shift that occured despite Manila but one that happened because of Manila. In short, this is an Arroyo dependent shift. It is top down not bottom up . There is no solid foundation to it. As such, it can be undone by simply eliminating Arroyo’s warlords. Any new president can create or unmake local autonomy simply by witholding or disbursing funds.

    One proof of the fragility and thinness of this so-called shift of power to local officials is the banning of the Erap documentary which is a direct appeal to the emotions of the masses. The documentary is obviously a preparation by Estrada for the verdict on his trial. If he is convicted, the masa will see that his conviction is unfair. If he is found innocent, then he will go around the country and campaign for people power against Gloria. Either way, the strength of local warlords against a popular national figure will be put to a real test. The banning of the movie is proof that the new paradign identified by Doronilla is not yet ready for such a test. He mistakes the patina for the real thing. He mistakes desire for autonomy as the thing itself.

    A true paradigm shift will occur once the IRA law is implemented fully. Financial independence from presidential caprice is what will institutionalize local autonomy. And nothing else.

  7. There you go again, joselu – “separate issues from personalities.”

    You refuse to see that the root of our nation’s disunity is the personality whose character is the issue.

    Sa simpleng salita – they are inseparable.

    Read Gloria’s speech again. She didn’t separate her personality from the issue. She, unlike you, understood that she was the issue. That she was part of the problem and not the solution.So please, don’t go about revising your leader’s words.

  8. I think it is from personality that the issue arise. or could it be the other way around? I think both is valid. Bad personality , bad issues, good personality, good issues. there you go. make it as simple as I could.

  9. thanks for the link, mlq. all roads for anti-chacha groups lead to the senate tomorrow for the start of the senate probe into SnB’s PI. the hearing will be held at 1 pm with senator gordon presiding as chair of the senate committee on consti amendments. will the PI proponents a.k.a. the Legion appear at this public hearing? Abangan!

  10. I concur with MB’s analysis – it’s an ‘Arroyo dependent shift’. The provincial warlords are up against two trends which are eroding their power base – urbanization and widening social discontent. Fragmenting the country by changing the Constitution and playing up regional divisions are attempts to counteract these trends.

  11. On the other hand , I agree with Joselu. There should be a separation of issues and personalities. If you cannot separate those then that could be a problem…. Mrs Arroyo can be viewed as Mrs Arroyo, President Arroyo, The cheat Arroyo, The economist Arroyo, The manipulator Arroyo. Mrs Arroyo as a mother, as a grandmother. What I thinks is happening is that the selfish opposition is misleading the people to just view Mrs Arroyo as the cheat Arroyo.

  12. Rego, you cannot separate issues from personalites if the issue has something to do with the person’s conduct.

  13. if thats what you think and believe I cant really do nothing about it…..( Try to check the book the 7 Habits of Highly Effective Person by Stepehen Covey)

    let me just point one more thing, the election cheating as an issue:

    The opposition was hellbent on pinning down mrs arroryo. ( but to no avail of course.) that is the “personality approach”

    But if you want to really approach the isssue proactively, you should have focused on fixing of the defective electoral system, the manual and automated counting do something about it to lessen if not eliminate the problem. And by the time 2007 election come mabawasbawasan naman ang kaguluhan.

    Kung yung oras ba naman na ginamait ng opposition eh ginugulgol nila sa pag pressure na maayos ang electoral system
    eh di sana nagyon may nakikita na tayo resulta.

    Is the personality approach to the problem really that effective? I dont think so. Gloria is still in power as of this writing, eh!

  14. MLQ3, Doronilla seems to have forgotten what happened in Cebu in 1978 during martial law and long before EDSA 1986 and EDSA 2001 when thousands of Cebuanos protested at the Cebu Provincial Capitol, demanding that their votes cast for the 13 Pusyon Bisaya candidates during the 1978 Batasang Pambansa elections be counted. Fortunately, all 13 were later declared the winners, otherwise …

  15. Cayetano is all talk. If the account numbers don’t match, he could have accepted the challenge of flying to Garmany and get the correct account number.

    He had done a disservice to the opposition by opening his mouth first before the actual documents are secured.

    The prosecutors/opposition today suffer in comparison with the Erap team of prosecutors. The defense team that time was also brilliant even if some tactics were obviously meant to suppress evidences and discredit witnesses. But that is how trial is. The people who were the jurors watched.

    The same thing today. The people watched. They waited for one year hoping that finally they can nail her. But we’re disappointed. Like Teddy Locsin, I believe that they had wasted the 52 weeks of waiting by coming up with disorganized and half-cooked documentary evidences. So what if they filled up six or seven boxes. So what’s the use of bringing them to the campuses and different venues for viewing.

    Dead could no longer be resurrected. Face saving, perhaps.
    At this point, the opposition is also divided or shall I say, it was already divided ever since. The unity was just illusion that they are together. Ultimately, the colors of affiliations surfaced. The hidden motives came out in the open.

    What they cannot beat is the public image that GMA is a hardworking President compared to the ex-occupant of Palace.

    If one claims that it is all image creation and projection, then BEAT it. What image has the opposition projected so far?

    That is where tacticians are challenged. Bloggers who are already known for their political affiliations, pro or against
    are patronized by people who belong to the same stable.

    People with different opinions shy away from forums/ comment boxes lest they will be lynched by the group. Result, they get to hear only what they want to hear.

    Meow.

  16. Sorry but I can’t generate a post on the previous blog anymore so I have to post here.

    Carl,

    You are still pondering bicameral representation when the proposals no longer consider that. You are pondering whether the Head of State should be elected directly or via assembly even though the proposals mandate election via assembly.

    Yet you are telling us that “ultimately, for there to be change, someone with the power, the guts and the will to carry it through will just have to plug away and “Just Do It”, as the Nike slogan says. Otherwise, nothing will happen.” And you said that in the context of Charter Change.

    You therefore advocate that changes wanted by someone else other than you to be effected.

    That would appear to be blind advocacy which is a big deal to me.

    Since your ideas aren’t part of the present constitution either, I would expect you to at least work for a mode wherein your ideas has a chance to be a part of the Constitution.

    The ConAss and the People’s Initiative are so related that I can say for a certainty that your ideas above will not be a part of either. Yet you favor the present attempt to revise the Charter that will employ one or the other.

    The new Constitution needs to be ratified IN TOTO!

    THE BAD WILL HAVE TO BE SWALLOWED WITH THE GOOD!

    Yes, that is also a big deal to me becuase I believe that the bad outweighs the good and that the bad even precludes the good from being attained. And I am willing to prove that.

    So you contend that some of your ideas will find their way into a new Constitution and that it would be at least better.

    Presupposing that the changes that you want that will find their way into the new Constitution is good; I will try to show you that the bad will so outweigh your good that it will be no better and that the country might even be worse.

    Are you up to it Carl, are you willing to prove that the present charter change or even your changes that will find their way into a new charter will be at least better?

    If so, I offer you the same discussion forum I offered James.

    Just sound off.

  17. rego,

    in case u didn’t notice the opposition is also actie on electoral reforms. One Voice is a good example Stop creating straw men.

    Besides electoral reform is not possible while Gloria’s around because dirty elections are one of her most useful toolsJust look at the fake signature campaign of Singaw.

  18. Re: recommendation of Randy David

    I agree for the isolation. This should have been done even before the scandal was picked up by international organizations.
    Trouble with us is that, sometimes it is only a finger that is harmed but we prescribe a medication for the whole body, sending it to convulsion because of the side effects.

  19. the ca t,

    1. we don’t know if Mike’s bank certification is correct. We do know that he refuses to allow any scrutiny of other alleged hidden conjugal assets.

    2. That the complaint was dead on arrival was an opinion advanced by the majority.The opinion became fact because of a majority vote which is external to the nature of the complaint itself.

    3, To compare an accused with her detractors is a tired old trick. The test for GMA is not to measure her against her detractors or the motives and ambitions of her opponents. The test for GMA is for her to be able to confront, answer and debunk the allegations against her. She has failed to clear her name despite all her propaganda efforts. So you tell me whose really winning the battle of credibility.

    Obfuscation, one type of which I just described in the previous paragraph, is one technique in the overall strategy of evasion.

    The other techniques at play are intimidation through military and police methods, character assassination, the hiding of witnesses, preventing witnesses from appearing in congressional investigations, obstructing those investigations and a whole list of other things that everyone is familiar with by now.

    4. Forums like these are cyber battlegrounds where people like you and joselu do battle with people who are not like the two of you. These encounters help to identify
    the propaganda line of the Arroyo camp. I’m not saying that you’re a part of their propaganda team. What I’m saying is I notice that your reasoning and analysis is a very good indication of who buys into Arroyo’s crap.

    So no. We don’t only hear what we want to hear. We also hear each other’s opposing views. And that’s why this blog is lively.

    We are all keyboard warriors fighting over different methods to do something we all desire – to see this country united. The difference is you want to unite behind Arroyo. We don’t and we won’t.

  20. Carl,

    You are still pondering bicameral representation when the proposals no longer consider that. You are pondering whether the Head of State should be elected directly or via assembly even though the proposals mandate election via assembly.

    Yet you are telling us that “ultimately, for there to be change, someone with the power, the guts and the will to carry it through will just have to plug away and “Just Do It”, as the Nike slogan says. Otherwise, nothing will happen.” And you said that in the context of Charter Change.

    You therefore advocate that changes wanted by someone else other than you to be effected.

    That would appear to be blind advocacy which is a big deal to me.

    Since your ideas aren’t part of the present constitution either, I would expect you to at least work for a mode wherein your ideas has a chance to be a part of the Constitution.

    The ConAss and the People’s Initiative are so related that I can say for a certainty that your ideas above will not be a part of either. Yet you favor the present attempt to revise the Charter that will employ one or the other.

    The new Constitution needs to be ratified IN TOTO!

    THE BAD WILL HAVE TO BE SWALLOWED WITH THE GOOD!

    Yes, that is also a big deal to me becuase I believe that the bad outweighs the good and that the bad even precludes the good from being attained. And I am willing to prove that.

    So you contend that some of your ideas will find their way into a new Constitution and that it would be at least better.

    Presupposing that the changes that you want that will find their way into the new Constitution is good; I will try to show you that the bad will so outweigh your good that it will be no better and that the country might even be worse.

    Are you up to it Carl, are you willing to prove that the present charter change or even your changes that will find their way into a new charter will be at least better?

    If so, I offer you the same discussion forum I offered James.

    Just sound off.

  21. Randy wrote:
    “We may reasonably assume that those whose grades in the tainted subjects do not greatly deviate from their scores in the other subjects very likely passed on their own. I am not an expert, but I am aware that there are simple statistical methods for determining this.

    I AM NOT ENTIRELY SOLD TO THE IDEA OF USING STANDARD DEVIATION AS A MEANS TO IDENTIFY WHO THE CHEATERS ARE, EVEN IF THE mathematicians USE THE STATISTICAL AND NOT THE STRAIGHT LINE METHOD, it is not a perfect gauge since the deviations could have been caused by other subjects.Remember we are just getting the standard deviation from the mean or average of the total grades.

    The isolation based on the abnormal high grades on the subject under question is enough e.g. in the suspected area where leakage was made possible, grades of the examinees in that subject may be higher than in other areas. Mahirap pa yong gawin?

    The subject under question is neuro-psych which is a speciliazed field even for nursing practitioners. The internship of nurses in hospitals do not adequately provide for the training of this specialized field so that nursing examineers would merely rely on the concepts provided them by the schools and the reviewers.
    An exceptional grade for the subject is really suspicious.

    I am just wondering why, they have the invalidate the whole exam when only 110 or 22 per cent of the 500 were suspected to be tainted.

    That’s hardly less than 25 per cent and the skills of the nurse-to be in this field cannot be validated by examination alone becuase neuro-psych is still a wide field to explore given the disorders that have been discovered and are still being discovered every revolution of the earth.

    Even licensed nurses are not assigned in this area without proper training and exposure in the cases unlike the med/surg nurses whose focus is in the dispensing of medications.

    Normally, nursing graduates in the Phils. start with convalescent homes, train in acute hospitals and pursue other hands-on training in or, psych, icu and other nursing specializations.

  22. 4. Forums like these are cyber battlegrounds where people like you and joselu do battle with people who are not like the two of you.

    Yeah and sometimes we get “lynched” with ad hominems. Was I not called the bitch and juselu a poor speller?

  23. Cat,

    Your being called a b*tch by some bloggers here are their observations. Is there any truth in that?

    Is there some truth too for Joselu being branded a poor speller?

    If the observation is correct, it will stick. If not, it will die away.

  24. Manolo,

    I’m so sorry but I don’t know what happened. My post in a previous blog wouldn’t come up so I thought that was closed for posting already so I posted a reply there in here.

    I even sent you an inquiry in your mail.

    Just delete everything I posted here and delete the quadruple something posts in the other one.

    TY

  25. jon, you’re not seriously suggesting that calling someone a bitch is acceptable if there is some basis in truth, is there? Would you call a child with down’s syndrome retarded? would you call a man with no legs a cripple? these terms may be technically correct, but where’s the sensitivity in that, man? i think we can all agree to disagree without being disagreeable. its either that or we risk not being able to protest about being called stupid everytime someone thinks we are. wars – even just verbal tussles – have to have some sort of civility. and calling someone a bitch – especially someone you don’t know – just aint civil.

  26. I AM NOT ENTIRELY SOLD TO THE IDEA OF USING STANDARD DEVIATION AS A MEANS TO IDENTIFY WHO THE CHEATERS ARE, EVEN IF THE mathematicians USE THE STATISTICAL AND NOT THE STRAIGHT LINE METHOD, it is not a perfect gauge since the deviations could have been caused by other subjects.

    by capitalizing your words, are you saying that as an expert?

    Pray tell how the straight line method, an accounting depreciation technique, is better than s.d. when you yourself said there could be confounding factors which your method could hardly factor in.

    besides, why take randy’s choice of terms in isolation? he merely said, deviate, and never explicitly suggested a definitie statistical method, much less employing mere standard deviation (which, again, cannot be taken in isolation as statistical measures are not as simple as deriving standard deviations ALONE). it could very well be item response theory, though not simple at all as randy may think, but is far more reliable method than your adorable accounting depreciation technique.

  27. That is my point Cat, we abide by the courtesy rules. But some bloggers do not. That tells you what kind of people they are, what kind of sensitivities they have. I definitely would not use the terms you’ve mentioned to look down on anybody because there’s no point to it and it’s not courteous. That way of discussing do not bring about resolution to the issues at hand.

    But can we put physical defects in the same breath as poor spelling? I think not. (You can actually say, please improve on your poor spelling skills. Somebody even said recently “two words man, spelling check” which means the same thing)In Joselu’s case, he has actually confided some time ago that he uses incorrect spelling to draw out reactions from other bloggers. His case is special because even his roundabout way of discussing things also seems contrived. You as a master blogger should be able to read that too, no?

  28. and so you have cayetano cock-sure of his account number and then goes pfff! do you still need to parade those boxes of unverified evidences(chopsuey)?! Didn’t I tell you third termer cayetano lacks the x factor?
    its a battle of perception as Ca t has analyzed. divided opposition , no alternative program of governement while people are seeing a hands-on president with roadmap of ambitious programs.

  29. james,

    there is only one set of documens. one way of percieving them because these documents are on paper in black and white. there will be no perception problem here if those documents are allowed to be examined. perceptions come into play when facts are not laid out clearly.thus you have a battle of perceptions instead of facts. that’s the strategy of obfuscators, to talk about something instead of letting it speak for itself.

    without conceding that the german piece of paper mike arroyo has is verification enough, why not clear the air and allow those other alleged hidden wealth accounts to be verified too, just like the german account? why not clear the air for all questioned assets? there is no fishing expedition in this case because the alleged hidden assets have been identified, just like he german account.

    and why obstruct senate investigations into Venable, Fertilizer funds, northrail, owwa funds, role of AFP in 2004 election?

    it’s a battle of perception because facts have not been allowed to speak for themselves. I cannot understand why anyone would suppress facts that can exonerate . why wage a two year battle of perception when facts can clear the air? because a guilty person has a better chance of evading accountability

  30. the cat,

    and what anout the three other points I raised?

    your response was like going to germany to avoid opening the rest of your accounts anywhere else.

  31. rego,

    in case u didn’t notice the opposition is also actie on electoral reforms. One Voice is a good example Stop creating straw men.

    Besides electoral reform is not possible while Gloria’s around because dirty elections are one of her most useful toolsJust look at the fake signature campaign of Singaw.

    manuelbuencamino said this on August 28th, 2006 at 11:12 pm

    ————————————————————–

    there you go, again! you just went back to the personality approach (and thanks for not using dirty language this time).

    If we really wanted to be a goal oriented and proactive citizen or nation and we wanted to fix our electoral system. then we just have to focus on the achievement on of that particular goal, with or without Gloria and whatever she does or does’n’t do.

    How can we achieve a certain goal if you would always insist that Gloria on the way of achieveing such goal?. I even remember Sen Pimentel saying that Gloria resign first before electoral reforms ….what is that? ????

    About One Voice . why do they have to engage in fist fight with Sigaw ng Bayan? Why do they just focus on their goals and objectives, like pushing for electoral reforms, postphoning the charter change. They are just wasting their time and resources with Sigaw… If Sigaw ng Bayan is nothing why do they have stoop down to the level of Sigaw? They are just giving more legs to Sigaw.

  32. mbc, very sorry, but, comming from you who is out for a “quick fix” band-aide solution your credibility is kinda a low.
    All I’m saying is to beleave you, you must be capable of showing better results.
    You know, even historically, our revolutionary laders where not even united among themselves. Just to say that unity has been a long time issue in this country anyway.
    Your not capable of responding point by point the issues that your emotions won’t show about certain personalities.
    Pls, naman mbc, don’t mix up the latest erap dvd thing.That is nothing but garbage & we all know it. Think harder & look at the big picture. The Sandigan bayan judgment will be out on Erap so he has to work the people to have on his side. Only a person who is out to win the people on his side would do such a gimmick. Don’t be so naive & put so much meaning to garbage.
    Face it, you like it cuz that dvd will serve your purpose wrecking more damage to your “best friend”.
    Really no need to go back in martial law years.
    If only you wanna say that the military is a tool of supression.
    I think even the military is evolving & I think w/in the military there will always be more level headed people.
    Many things have changed & changing & i think your being left behind.
    Anyway it’s a free world & each one can beleave whatever you want to beleave.
    But I always look at the bottom line. W/c leads me to conclude that talk is cheap & results are always the bottom line.
    It seems your leaveing in the past.

  33. mlq3, I have my doubts but is this just another case of generalizing things?
    I don’t remember the coup plotters ever complaining of being used for supression.
    In a way your line of reasoning is not any different of what the commies would say so as to push forward their agenda.
    I guess that since in your grand scheme of things you are not able to use the military to work for your cause therefore they are instead a tool of supression of the administration.
    Did it not ever occur to you that the military is also defending themselves as an institution?
    Just so happens that only sombody so crazy will side w/ the present incompitent opposition

  34. joselu, it depends on what your criteria are, i suppose, for acceptable military behavior under a democracy. and whether the rules that apply to military offensives versus armed rebels, are the same that should apply to unarmed critics of any government.

    it also depends on what your views are as to what kind of involvement is desirable in our officer corps. is it the kind that ensures free and fair elections, regardless of who wins, or which makes tactical decisions with a political color?

    the armed forces are meant to protect and defend the borders of the country and, when there is armed rebellion, to fight such rebellions.

    as to otherwise legal but politically inconvenient critics, you can look at it two ways. do you follow the martial law precedents, or the more difficult but democratic ones established since 1986?

  35. inudoro,
    did i mention any depreciation method in my comment. i am referring quantitative method of analysis, the statitical or parabolic or the
    straight line method or high and low method of getting the standard deviation by just getting the difference between the high and the low as against the parabolic which means there is a need for extrapolation of the basic data.

    Suggestion, if you do not know te background of the person whom you are talking too, keep your peace.I am not only a CPA, fyi.

    I agreed with the word isolation which means identify the area where the cheating must have been committed.

    Why do you have to disagree all the time even when your ignorance about the subject comes to the open?

    I would not dare talk about statistics and nursing industry/academe if I was not involved/exposed in these areas.
    What about you?

  36. MB,
    “The difference is you want to unite behind Arroyo.”

    Really, and I thought, I read somewhere that you were invinting another commenter to join you. Pray tell which comment of mine led you to that statement?

  37. Induro wrote:
    “Pray tell how the straight line method, an accounting depreciation technique, is better than s.d. when you yourself said there could be confounding factors which your method could hardly factor in.

    besides, why take randy’s choice of terms in isolation? he merely said, deviate, and never explicitly suggested a definitie statistical method, much less employing mere standard deviation (which, again, cannot be taken in isolation as statistical measures are not as simple as deriving standard deviations ALONE). it could very well be item response theory, though not simple at all as randy may think, but is far more reliable method than your adorable accounting depreciation technique. ”

    For your education, the accounting depreciation method is not statistical tool to analyze trends and deviations.

    Even if Randy did not mention about SD, it was IT that he was referring to. Isolation is not a statitical tool but when he suggested to find out the deviation of the grades from a particular subject tainted as against the other subjects and he mentioned the simplest statistical tool, he was asking the statistician to know what is the sd. of the grades of the suspected cheaters. The sd is not even the end because the statistician as to show whether the sd is significant or not given the margin of error.(the straight line for the simplest tool because you can find out how wide is the dispersion from the mean drawn as straight line).

    Accounting depreciation (straight line) is providing for the wear and tear of the fixed assets. Straight line because, you merely divide the cost of the fixed assets by the estimated useful life.I am talking about apple and you are talking about orange.

    My credentials? I was involved in te HR department aside from co-owning a nursing registry where I supervised the hiring of local nurses here in the US for on-call assignment to different hospitals. Part of the function was to supervise exams for applicants and interviewing them before they become a member of our roster list of nurses with different specializations.

    We do not even bother to look if they have graduated from elite universities in the Phils. Nursing graduates there have a lot to learn when they come on board a hospital even it is only convalescent. They have to know the terms used and the latest machines available in the facility.

  38. MB wrote:
    “we don’t know if Mike’s bank certification is correct.

    If not sure then check, verify, confirm.

  39. MB wrote:
    “We do know that he refuses to allow any scrutiny of other alleged hidden conjugal assets.”

    The burden of proof rests on people who make the accusation.But of course, even the criminal has the right to plead not guilty and do everything to escape indictment.

    As of now, they failed to take the opportunities to legally remove GMA. Blame it on their incompetence and the weak resolution of their colleagues.

    Lucky for GMA.

  40. manuel
    a pity. The so called hidden wealth in Germany is an issue that could have reawaken public outrage but it was a dud. The rest of the recycled accusations? After 2 years? Nahh, the public is not buying chopsuey anymore. The opposition? They have their own balikbayan boxes! Even bishops too!

  41. MB wrote:
    “She has failed to clear her name despite all her propaganda efforts. ”

    And the opposition failed to pin her down. Sino ang maysala?

  42. cat,

    you’re blabbering. where did i ever mention that straight line is a statistical tool? and hello, isolation is not a statistical tool–where did i mention it to be? i used the word “isolation” is its most semantic term.

    if straight line method is good enough, here’s what i suggest: throw that method to educational testing service (provider of gre, sat, gmat, etc.) and tell me if they’ll find superior over item response theory. with straight line, how would you ascertain your level or degree of confidence (and am speaking statistically) when were dealing here in probabilistic suspicions (of whether a section of takers could have cheated or not)?

    when randy said there could be simple statistical measure, he was of course talking relatively, and was maybe throwing that challenge to psychometricians who are deep burrowing into the statistics of cheating.

  43. cat, funny how you put this:

    ” Suggestion, if you do not know te background of the person whom you are talking too, keep your peace.I am not only a CPA, fyi.

    Why do you have to disagree all the time even when your ignorance about the subject comes to the open?”

    how well indeed do you know my background? the only difference is i don’t do self-promotions here.

  44. inudoro wrote:

    “you’re blabbering. where did i ever mention that straight line is a statistical tool?”

    Cat sez:

    In this statement of yours.
    “Pray tell how the straight line method, an accounting depreciation technique, is better than s.d.”

    Do i have to elaborate?

  45. hello? read and read that again and again and again. did i say “a better” or “better than”, this latter implying comparativity of two different methods?

  46. Induro wrote:
    the only difference is i don’t do self-promotions here.

    Cat sez,

    It’s not self-promotion. Just responding to this query about my expertise.

    “by capitalizing your words, are you saying that as an expert?”

    BTW, the all caps were because of my malfunctioning keyboard.

    Inuduro wrote:
    “how well indeed do you know my background?”

    Ca t sez:

    By confusing the statistical tool from the accounting tool, I can say that you are neither an accountant nor a statistician.

    From the way you attacked me about subject that you know nothing about, I can liken you to your idol Cayetano boy, Talk now regret later.

    Next time, do your homework. This session, you got an F.

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