Comments on: The Long View: The promise http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: On Tunisia, velvet revolutions, and the battle of political perspectives in the Philippines. « The Nutbox http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1086633 On Tunisia, velvet revolutions, and the battle of political perspectives in the Philippines. « The Nutbox Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:39:22 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1086633 [...] on velvet revolutions by Timothy Garton Ash. I came across it in 2009 through the blog of Manuel L. Quezon III, now President Benigno S Aquino III’s Undersecretary for [...] [...] on velvet revolutions by Timothy Garton Ash. I came across it in 2009 through the blog of Manuel L. Quezon III, now President Benigno S Aquino III’s Undersecretary for [...]

]]> By: Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose » Blog Archive » The Sixty-Five Hundred Sixty-Nine http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1084121 Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose » Blog Archive » The Sixty-Five Hundred Sixty-Nine Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:03:42 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1084121 [...] that ensue, partoicularly if the revolution is in the nature of a peaceful and not violent one: See my reference to Timothy Garton Ash on Velvet Revolutions, and The Nutbox looking at the same article from the [...] [...] that ensue, partoicularly if the revolution is in the nature of a peaceful and not violent one: See my reference to Timothy Garton Ash on Velvet Revolutions, and The Nutbox looking at the same article from the [...]

]]> By: Brian Brotarlo http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076618 Brian Brotarlo Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:21:18 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076618 I think it's what the ever-dependent masses also want. I think I would like it, myself. I can't even imagine anyone objecting about it except democrats fueled by rote. I think it’s what the ever-dependent masses also want. I think I would like it, myself. I can’t even imagine anyone objecting about it except democrats fueled by rote.

]]> By: Brian Brotarlo http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076617 Brian Brotarlo Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:19:21 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076617 I mean, what you really want is an autocratic liberal democracy. It just hit me like a revelation a few days ago. People like you. I mean, what you really want is an autocratic liberal democracy. It just hit me like a revelation a few days ago. People like you.

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076615 mlq3 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:12:01 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076615 it depends, why then do the koreans rally in their streets, too? it depends, why then do the koreans rally in their streets, too?

]]> By: Brian Brotarlo http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076609 Brian Brotarlo Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:24:04 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076609 You don't get it. We progressed culturally during the American era. The democratic institutions established in that time compared to what Aguinaldo et al was trying to establish--what were the remnants of the Katipunana going for inthose times anyway? During the American regime we learned a little ethics and a little organization. Look at us now. Not being an Amboy, but compare those times with the rise of Hing Kong and Singapore, which was related government-wise with South Korea. I think it's called liberal autocracy. What do you think about this? You are one of those who insist Filipinos need to evolve? Look at what people are actually saying. Too much politics, puro laway. In an autocratic liberal society, there's freedom from want and oppression but little of free speech or a free-for-all-politics. Isn't this what Filipinos want? You don’t get it. We progressed culturally during the American era. The democratic institutions established in that time compared to what Aguinaldo et al was trying to establish–what were the remnants of the Katipunana going for inthose times anyway? During the American regime we learned a little ethics and a little organization. Look at us now.

Not being an Amboy, but compare those times with the rise of Hing Kong and Singapore, which was related government-wise with South Korea. I think it’s called liberal autocracy. What do you think about this? You are one of those who insist Filipinos need to evolve?

Look at what people are actually saying. Too much politics, puro laway. In an autocratic liberal society, there’s freedom from want and oppression but little of free speech or a free-for-all-politics. Isn’t this what Filipinos want?

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076575 mlq3 Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:49:08 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076575 the biggest indictment of the american education system was its purest product, ferdinand marcos. the biggest indictment of the american education system was its purest product, ferdinand marcos.

]]> By: thecusponline http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076551 thecusponline Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:35:29 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076551 I guess the thing I take from this piece is the danger of a utopian vision along with a non-violent revolution. Sure, the velvety types go down much easier. No killing fields or concentration camps, but also no utopia at the end either. The danger is for the fever to sputter out when the poetry of campaigning turns into the prose of governing like what happened in the Ukraine (with the Orange rev turning Blue) and in Barack O's White House. Patience, trial and error. Mao's famous saying two steps forward, one step back. Aspiring for the rule of law and clean government are both admirable goals, but we must be careful to take measured steps lest we stumble and give up in the process, which would be a tragic waste. The Czechs and Poles may have had more compatible institutions w/ capitalism than the Russians. Our country is market based in the cities, however, out in the countryside, things operate differently. We could speed things up by opening access to ownership of land, financial and human capital. Often local bosses get in the way. And so it goes... I guess the thing I take from this piece is the danger of a utopian vision along with a non-violent revolution. Sure, the velvety types go down much easier. No killing fields or concentration camps, but also no utopia at the end either.
The danger is for the fever to sputter out when the poetry of campaigning turns into the prose of governing like what happened in the Ukraine (with the Orange rev turning Blue) and in Barack O’s White House. Patience, trial and error. Mao’s famous saying two steps forward, one step back.
Aspiring for the rule of law and clean government are both admirable goals, but we must be careful to take measured steps lest we stumble and give up in the process, which would be a tragic waste.
The Czechs and Poles may have had more compatible institutions w/ capitalism than the Russians. Our country is market based in the cities, however, out in the countryside, things operate differently. We could speed things up by opening access to ownership of land, financial and human capital. Often local bosses get in the way. And so it goes…

]]> By: ramrod http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076545 ramrod Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:56:31 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076545 agree with Brian Brotario. At least the Czechs had culture to speak of. The Russians, like us, are more uncouth and barbaric. In the final analysis, we are condemned to repeat history because we aren’t conscious of one. In recent times our only culture is toilet humor, Willie Revillame, Boy Abunda and Kris Aquino. Our masses have been idiotized. And our elite are the first ones to exploit that. ------------------------------------- I totally agree, sadly. Add Pinoy Big Brother to that and the telenovela idols...too bad we look up and listen more to showbiz personalities for guidance and role models - these are not real people for heavens sakes...there must be something wrong with our educational system... agree with Brian Brotario. At least the Czechs had culture to speak of. The Russians, like us, are more uncouth and barbaric. In the final analysis, we are condemned to repeat history because we aren’t conscious of one. In recent times our only culture is toilet humor, Willie Revillame, Boy Abunda and Kris Aquino. Our masses have been idiotized. And our elite are the first ones to exploit that.
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I totally agree, sadly. Add Pinoy Big Brother to that and the telenovela idols…too bad we look up and listen more to showbiz personalities for guidance and role models – these are not real people for heavens sakes…there must be something wrong with our educational system…

]]> By: Brian Brotarlo http://www.quezon.ph/2010/02/21/the-long-view-the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-1076542 Brian Brotarlo Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:45:14 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3792#comment-1076542 Manolo. If you look at how we actually took steps in cultural progress under the Americans, what conclusions can we make? Manolo. If you look at how we actually took steps in cultural progress under the Americans, what conclusions can we make?

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