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		<title>By: thecusponline</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074197</link>
		<dc:creator>thecusponline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think it was Machiavelli&#039;s intention to dissuade princes from attempting to establish new orders, but for them to do so while taking into account current political and economic realities (his imprisonment being a cautionary tale against trying to push too far).

There is a reason why things are the way they are, i.e. why there is hardly any money in the public coffers for anything beyond our civil servants&#039; salaries, why our tax effort is so low, why the country has to rely on off-budget loans to fund long term infrastructure requirements. It suits the interests of those who fund political campaigns and their hangers on.

That is why our politicians are concerned little with the business of platforms, policies or budgets. They are more concerned with paying off their patrons (by giving them access to off-budget resources) and being perceived as &quot;pro-poor&quot; (by engaging in ill-targeted subsidies) to maintain social cohesion and political stability.

Any so-called &quot;progressive&quot; attempt at reform by introducing Western style democratic rule of law and property rights system (otherwise known as the governance agenda) will be faced with serious constraints and falter unless it focuses on building limited capacity aimed at providing safety nets to the poor while enabling the productive sectors of society to keep their rents and removing the most destructuve forms of rent capture by non-productive agents.

Unfortunately, corrupt politicians have been more effective in the past at doing this. The whole contention of one camp which MLQ3&#039;s sentiment seems to represent is that an honest person can be just as effective at this while introducing newer and better political and institutional arrangements that improve on previous ones. Let us hope that they are proven right in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think it was Machiavelli&#8217;s intention to dissuade princes from attempting to establish new orders, but for them to do so while taking into account current political and economic realities (his imprisonment being a cautionary tale against trying to push too far).</p>
<p>There is a reason why things are the way they are, i.e. why there is hardly any money in the public coffers for anything beyond our civil servants&#8217; salaries, why our tax effort is so low, why the country has to rely on off-budget loans to fund long term infrastructure requirements. It suits the interests of those who fund political campaigns and their hangers on.</p>
<p>That is why our politicians are concerned little with the business of platforms, policies or budgets. They are more concerned with paying off their patrons (by giving them access to off-budget resources) and being perceived as &#8220;pro-poor&#8221; (by engaging in ill-targeted subsidies) to maintain social cohesion and political stability.</p>
<p>Any so-called &#8220;progressive&#8221; attempt at reform by introducing Western style democratic rule of law and property rights system (otherwise known as the governance agenda) will be faced with serious constraints and falter unless it focuses on building limited capacity aimed at providing safety nets to the poor while enabling the productive sectors of society to keep their rents and removing the most destructuve forms of rent capture by non-productive agents.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, corrupt politicians have been more effective in the past at doing this. The whole contention of one camp which MLQ3&#8242;s sentiment seems to represent is that an honest person can be just as effective at this while introducing newer and better political and institutional arrangements that improve on previous ones. Let us hope that they are proven right in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Vargas Carlo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074161</link>
		<dc:creator>Vargas Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing about &quot;conservatives&quot; is that they never really are conservative. They argue for smaller government when that government means establishing a single payer health care system, expnding medicare, increasing the budget for aid to the poor but on the other hand call for increase in government when it means military spending, bailing out corporations rather than the people, and suspending civil liberties under the pretense of national defense. We&#039;ve heard the argument of &quot;tax cuts&quot; which in Republican newspeak really means cutting taxes for those who can pay them many times over and doing nothing for those who barely can. Of course the term &quot;conservative&quot; cannot really be applied to those who claim to be conservative. The same with the term &quot;liberal&quot;. 80% of the republican party is not conservative; much of it is really right wing tea baggers, radio talk show conspiracy theorists, and corporate lobby groups. The same with the Democratic Party. These terms &quot;conservative&quot;, &quot;liberal&quot;, and &quot;progressive&quot; do not have the same meaning as we people who live outside the US attach to these words.

It&#039;s always easier to be a conservative since it really means standing for traditional values (whatever those values may be for a particular society). After all, standing for longtime proven values is what conservatism truly stands for. The problem with it though is when those values no longer work. Hence, the conservative begins to look like a philosopher fiddling with concepts stuck in the clouds never really having a grasp of what is happening on the ground.

As for the progressive, the quintessential reformer, his case can only succeed where conservatism fails. And in cases where reform is no longer sufficient, he is to choose between the path of reforming or revolutionizing. It is really harder to be a progressive but you can always be a conservative while also being a progressive as the case with many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing about &#8220;conservatives&#8221; is that they never really are conservative. They argue for smaller government when that government means establishing a single payer health care system, expnding medicare, increasing the budget for aid to the poor but on the other hand call for increase in government when it means military spending, bailing out corporations rather than the people, and suspending civil liberties under the pretense of national defense. We&#8217;ve heard the argument of &#8220;tax cuts&#8221; which in Republican newspeak really means cutting taxes for those who can pay them many times over and doing nothing for those who barely can. Of course the term &#8220;conservative&#8221; cannot really be applied to those who claim to be conservative. The same with the term &#8220;liberal&#8221;. 80% of the republican party is not conservative; much of it is really right wing tea baggers, radio talk show conspiracy theorists, and corporate lobby groups. The same with the Democratic Party. These terms &#8220;conservative&#8221;, &#8220;liberal&#8221;, and &#8220;progressive&#8221; do not have the same meaning as we people who live outside the US attach to these words.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always easier to be a conservative since it really means standing for traditional values (whatever those values may be for a particular society). After all, standing for longtime proven values is what conservatism truly stands for. The problem with it though is when those values no longer work. Hence, the conservative begins to look like a philosopher fiddling with concepts stuck in the clouds never really having a grasp of what is happening on the ground.</p>
<p>As for the progressive, the quintessential reformer, his case can only succeed where conservatism fails. And in cases where reform is no longer sufficient, he is to choose between the path of reforming or revolutionizing. It is really harder to be a progressive but you can always be a conservative while also being a progressive as the case with many people.</p>
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		<title>By: thecusponline</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074151</link>
		<dc:creator>thecusponline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To understand the dangers and pitfalls that could undermine the governance agenda, one would need to make a careful reading of the historical and empirical account which does not support the one-size fits all approach advocated by multilateral aid agencies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3lutcfhCI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To understand the dangers and pitfalls that could undermine the governance agenda, one would need to make a careful reading of the historical and empirical account which does not support the one-size fits all approach advocated by multilateral aid agencies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3lutcfhCI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3lutcfhCI</a></p>
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		<title>By: UP n Grad</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074149</link>
		<dc:creator>UP n Grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the USA, lawyers reflect the politics of their customers.  A lawyer who is a defender of individual liberties like the right to buy a handgun once a week or more, small government, low taxes and that people (not government) should be responsible enough to save for their own retirement -- that lawyer will attract Republicans as clients. A lawyer who quote-unquote &quot;is progressive&quot; meaning for raising taxes to give more scholarships to Muslim students, for reduce the rights of parents to choose the curriculum for their children so that all students go through public schools which bans Bibles, for more regulations to protect USA jobs by imposing higher duties on made-in-China or made-in-Africa products -- Democrats.  That is the caricature of USA lawyers.  

Some, though, do know their laws and help foreign corporations buy up distressed USA companies to save the local jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the USA, lawyers reflect the politics of their customers.  A lawyer who is a defender of individual liberties like the right to buy a handgun once a week or more, small government, low taxes and that people (not government) should be responsible enough to save for their own retirement &#8212; that lawyer will attract Republicans as clients. A lawyer who quote-unquote &#8220;is progressive&#8221; meaning for raising taxes to give more scholarships to Muslim students, for reduce the rights of parents to choose the curriculum for their children so that all students go through public schools which bans Bibles, for more regulations to protect USA jobs by imposing higher duties on made-in-China or made-in-Africa products &#8212; Democrats.  That is the caricature of USA lawyers.  </p>
<p>Some, though, do know their laws and help foreign corporations buy up distressed USA companies to save the local jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe N. Margallo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074141</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe N. Margallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cusp @ 01/01/2010 9:17 am - does that means that Machiavelli believed that itâ€™s easier to be conservative than progressive?

A former senior partner of mine, Noli Santos, once told me that it is more glamorous to be a progressive than a defender of the status quo thatâ€™s why heâ€™s been one. 

Donâ€™t you think Machiavelliâ€™s perception in the regime of tyrannical princes is a bit anachronistic in the age liberalism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cusp @ 01/01/2010 9:17 am &#8211; does that means that Machiavelli believed that itâ€™s easier to be conservative than progressive?</p>
<p>A former senior partner of mine, Noli Santos, once told me that it is more glamorous to be a progressive than a defender of the status quo thatâ€™s why heâ€™s been one. </p>
<p>Donâ€™t you think Machiavelliâ€™s perception in the regime of tyrannical princes is a bit anachronistic in the age liberalism?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayani</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy &#039;NOY Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy &#8216;NOY Year!</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074122</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who has it said, a wise man? (or a dumb?), that: &quot;Ãf it ain&#039;t broken, don&#039;t fix it.&quot; :D 

Yeheeeey, WELCOME 2010!

Bert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has it said, a wise man? (or a dumb?), that: &#8220;Ãf it ain&#8217;t broken, don&#8217;t fix it.&#8221; <img src='http://www.quezon.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Yeheeeey, WELCOME 2010!</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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		<title>By: thecusponline</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074115</link>
		<dc:creator>thecusponline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote from Niccolo Machiavelli from The Prince: 

&quot;It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success nor more dangerous to handle than to initiate a new order of things; for the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order; this lukewarmness arising partly from the incredulity of mankind who does not truly believe in anything new until they actually have experience of it.&quot;

A happy new year to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote from Niccolo Machiavelli from The Prince: </p>
<p>&#8220;It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success nor more dangerous to handle than to initiate a new order of things; for the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order; this lukewarmness arising partly from the incredulity of mankind who does not truly believe in anything new until they actually have experience of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>A happy new year to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074092</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Year to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year to all!</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/12/28/the-long-view-the-lion-and-the-fox/comment-page-1/#comment-1074090</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the year ends, can&#039;t help musing about what the wise man Henry David Thoreau had said; &quot;The best government is less government&quot;, or something to that effect.

Perhaps it&#039;s true, but only to the simple citizens, like me for example. The bright and the smarts can have no problem adapting to the complexities. While me, I&#039;m groping in the maze simply just trying to re-acquire a lost ID. heheh.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, mlq3! HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!

Bert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the year ends, can&#8217;t help musing about what the wise man Henry David Thoreau had said; &#8220;The best government is less government&#8221;, or something to that effect.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s true, but only to the simple citizens, like me for example. The bright and the smarts can have no problem adapting to the complexities. While me, I&#8217;m groping in the maze simply just trying to re-acquire a lost ID. heheh.</p>
<p>HAPPY NEW YEAR, mlq3! HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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