The Long View: Good Frodo and Evil Gollum
The Long View
Good Frodo and Evil Gollum
By Manuel L. Quezon III
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:28:00 11/22/2009
IN book two of “The Fellowship of the Ring,” Celeborn, elven co-ruler of Lothl0rien, speaks directly to the readers as much as to the Fellowship when he counsels, “Do not despise the lore that has come down from distant years; for oft it may chance that old wives keep in memory word of things that once were needful for the wise to know.”
Chances are you’ve read or watched “The Lord of the Rings,” Tolkien’s saga in three volumes of how a reluctant hero is tasked with destroying a Ring of Power as a squabbling alliance of Hobbits, humans, dwarves and elves backs him up and fights titanic battles against the evil Sauron and his gruesome dark hordes. The epic is about Good and Evil, and how individuals can be one or the other, or even both, depending on the circumstances.
Some months ago Jim Paredes quipped that Noynoy Aquino is like the reluctant Hobbit hero Frodo Baggins, and that all those flocking to his aid and assistance are like the motley cast of characters that comprised the Fellowship of the Ring.
Tolkien the narrator observes of hobbits, as much as of men, of people in books as much as of people in real life, that “There is a seed of courage hidden (often deeply, it is true) in the heart of the fattest and most timid hobbit, waiting for some final and desperate danger to make it grow.”
In Book Two, the message is amplified in an exchange between Gimli the dwarf and the elf Elrond, representatives of races that do not like each other but now allied in a common quest, yet the two still disagree on how to approach the physical and even moral perils of their quest.
“Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,” the action-oriented Gimli starts off. Elrond the jaded elf replies, “Maybe, but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.” Gimli counters, “Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart,” only for Elrond to pragmatically respond by saying, “Or break it.” This is the eternal conflict between purists and realists.
At a time when there’s a general desire to see righteousness reign in our politics, there is too great a danger of self-righteousness intruding its discordant voice, insisting, on one hand, on impossible standards for individuals while ignoring the need for a common cause to confront the greater danger. This is the danger of pride substituting for true conscientiousness.
Quite early on in Book One of “The Fellowship of the Ring,” in the second chapter, the reluctant Frodo and the wizard Gandalf discuss Gollum, the deranged previous holder of the Ring of Power from whom Frodo’s uncle, Bilbo, had taken the ring; throughout the saga Gollum represents the problem of Frodo the Good, requiring the at times sincere, and most other times, deceitful, assistance of the generally Evil Gollum.
From the very start, Frodo thinks it’s a bad thing to have to engage the help of bad people and tells Gandalf, “He deserves death.” Gandalf’s answer is instructive, laying down a theme that will persist to the end of the saga, as he repeatedly counsels the members of the Fellowship of the Ring against the perils of confusing the righteousness of their cause with the pride of self-righteousness.
“Deserves it! I daresay he does,” Gandalf agrees; but adds, “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And he is bound up with the fate of the Ring. My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many – yours not least.”
Tolkien repeatedly returns to this theme of redemption – whether partial or complete – for the bad, or the merely confused, a possibility that should temper the self-righteousness of characters themselves fully capable of departing – temporarily but at times, disastrously – from the path of righteousness. Pride, he perpetually points out, feeds the divisions self-righteousness creates and which harms Good and promotes Evil.
As the elf Haldir of Lorien, responding to the bickering and simmering tensions between allies, points out in another chapter of Book Two: “In nothing is the power of the Dark Lord more clearly shown than in the estrangement that divides all those who still oppose him.”
Gandalf himself, in Book Three, returns to the basic lesson Haldir propounded: “We are all friends here. Or should be; for the laughter of Mordor will be our only reward, if we quarrel.” Something he returns to again, much later on in Book Five, where once again self-righteousness has provoked discord and to which his reply is, “Let us remember that a traitor may betray himself and do good that he does not intend. It can be so, sometimes.”
Hope is what enabled Good to conquer Evil – for at the heart of hope is the humility to give all a chance to help fight Evil, without sneering at motives. A humility based on belief in redemption for those who once served Evil. Frodo could not do it alone, he needed help; help came from all quarters and much of it tainted by mixed motives as shown by the thoroughly bad Gollum.
Every character wrestled with the dilemma of fighting for Good yet being confronted by Evil, internal and external. Hope subdued pride, humility fostered unity and trust in Good allowed individuals as well as kingdoms to conquer the Ultimate Evil, Sauron.
As the fair elven Galadriel had told the impatient dwarf Gimli in Book Two, “I do not foretell, for all foretelling is now vain: on the one hand lies darkness, and on the other only hope. But if hope should not fail, then I say to you, Gimli son of Gloin, that your hands shall flow with gold, and yet over you gold shall have no dominion.”
“If I were Noynoy, I’d just take all the monetary and logistical contributions and win the elections.” – SoP
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Pocketing the contributions isn’t as uncommon as some people think, and winning the elections isn’t even necessary.
In 1998, Erap’s campaign was rolling in money from contributions. He was so far ahead of all the other candidates, that he didn’t have to spend all the money. Huge surplus funds ended up in Erap’s pockets after the campaign. Nanalo sya, at kumita pa siya.
JDV, knowing he couldn’t win the presidency in 1998, held back on his campaign expenditures. Being the ruling party’s candidate, he received sizeable contributions for his campaign. JDV lost the elections, but, money-wise, he finished in the positive column.
In 1992, Ramon Mitra knew his presidential campaign was faltering, despite being the then-ruling party’s candidate. Mitra held back on spending, knowing he would lose anyway, and held on to the campaign money instead. Before Cory Aquino assumed the presidency, Monching Mitra wasn’t known as a wealthy man. Yet, after Mitra died in 2000, he left an estate estimated in the billions, which even caused infighting between legitimate and illegitimate children.
We know of the Jose Pidal account, and how it was alleged to be surplus campaign funds. We have seen Mikey Arroyo’s defense of his purchase of a house in the U.S. Bought with left-over campaign contributions. Assuming those explanations are truthful, they only show how elections can be turned into a money-making enterprise. It is even more lucrative for the front-runners, but it doesn’t prevent also-rans from turning a profit from their campaign.
I am wondering why Hermogenes Ebdane is running for President. He knows better than we do that he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell to win. But that will be a pretext to solicit campaign contributions. Given his connections with the military and DPWH, many will be forced to give something to his campaign. Not only is it a great way to make money, it’s a great way to launder hidden wealth.
I don’t know why the comment above was posted here. It was meant for the previous mlq blog. Something must’ve gotten mixed up when I submitted the comment. My apologies.
The Lord of the Rings had really evil characters and good characters, unfortunately life isn’t the same as in books, who among the politicians is truly evil and who are truly good? They all seem, to a greater or lesser degree, tainted whether it be the brush of corruption or the color of greed or even the sins of their families.
After all, the biggest problem in this nation is the fact that our politics have long since been dominated by a few, the oligarchic families that keep our nation under their thumbs.
BTW, the person Gimli was talking to in “Twin Towers” which is book 2 of the “Lord of the Rings” Trilogy and not the “Fellowship of the Ring” which is the title of book 1 of the trilogy, was Legolas and not Elrond.
So Noynoy is our so-called Frodo for now. I wonder where are the Gollums? Already surrounding him according to Serge Osmeña?
Noynoy must not do a Frodo, He must do an Aragorn…
I have an entirely different role/metaphor for Noynoy playing in my mind and that is of Aragorn. The Frodos in my story are the Filipino people wanting change but are as confused as Frodo as to how to go about it. Our Frodos need to have an Aragorn to help us vanquish the evils of this country because we have a history of messing things up with our ignorance (remember Frodo trying the ring for size, etc?) Frodo is not a leader. What we need is a leader, one with the vision, power and integrity of a true leader. One who can summon the good to battle the evil. There are too many gollums and Sarumans trying to trick our people into voting for them in the next election by pretending that they are aligned with Noynoy. For him to be a Frodo without the Aragorns and the Gimlies and the Legolases is extremely dangerous. (I know I’m getting carried away with my Lord of the Rings Characters).
If Noynoy can’t be an an Aragorn, he won’t be able to deliver the Frodos of this nation to vanquish Sauron who is now threatening to go to congress and try a different way of getting to the ring of power. With minions now joining Noynoy’s quest who is to say that they won’t turn into more powerful gollums ready to overwhelm (like how they overwhelm impeachment procedures) when Sauron attempts to be prime minister?
Noynoy, son of Ninoy… Return of the King… O di ba
In the Philippine political setting, there aren’t really genuine “good” guys, just ordinary imperfect humans being asked fo perform extraordinary feats. Inorder for them to defeat evil they have to become evil, consort with evil, use evil’s power against it, etc. Some (most?) were even evil to start with and because of unexplained epiphany suddenly decided to break free from the demon’s chains and are now fighting the good fight. If this were the case all along, well nobody should have the gall to use INTEGRITY, HONESTRY, and all sorts of principles that only the genuine “good” guys possess…we shouldn’t be led through our emotional noses by words…speeches…
Inorder to avoid extreme disappointment, its better to look at all these through the eyes of Machiavelli…and hope that end is really worth the means…
“At a time when there’s a general desire to see righteousness reign in our politics, there is too great a danger of self-righteousness intruding its discordant voice, insisting, on one hand, on impossible standards for individuals while ignoring the need for a common cause to confront the greater danger.”
True. But it’ll be hard to ignore those impossible standards if you, or those around you, have shrouded yourself with the mantle of morality. If you’ve colored this fight as “good vs evil” then by gulay it’s going to be tough not living up to those standards. NOW if it was “mostly good vs partly evil” then Noy would have a better time explaining why it’s still all about choosing the lesser evil, the end justifying the means, and I’d ally with the devil himself if it’s for the greater good…
I’d ally with the devil himself if it’s for the greater good…
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So the devil is that stupid? Well, then there’s nothing to fear then, why didn’t we do this earlier solved our problems a lot sooner?
I dunno, think of Churchill, and his precisely being willing to all with the devil himself if Hitler invaded Hell. Yet Churchill never conceded that his fight was anything but Good vs. Evil.
ramrod, re-check your Machiavelli, even he insisted at all times the appearance of piety must be maintained. you are confusing civic virtues with sanctity.
“Hope is what enabled Good to conquer Evil—for at the heart of hope is the humility to give all a chance to help fight Evil, without sneering at motives. A humility based on belief in redemption for those who once served Evil.”
i suppose this applies not only to ralph recto of LP but also to bongbong marcos of NP?
i’m sorry, but i dont understand the point of this column. would u mind sharing? surely u dont believe that noynoy is frodo. or that redemption is a good reason to vote anyone into office.
i understand the difference between the right-ness of one’s cause, and the sin of self-righteousness.
but i dont understand the connection of these ideas to elections. all candidates are convinced of his/her own right-ness.
but all of them too believe that they are the best people who can accomplish their goals. there is certain amount of self-confidence required when running for higher office.
“Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,” said Gimli. “Maybe,” said Elrond, “but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.” “Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart,” said Gimli. …
Source:Just google it(madami)
“Hope is what enabled Good to conquer Evil—for at the heart of hope is the humility to give all a chance to help fight Evil, without sneering at motives. A humility based on belief in redemption for those who once served Evil.†– mlq3
“i suppose this applies not only to ralph recto of LP but also to bongbong marcos of NP?” – angela
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It can be summed up in that tired, old cliché: “Politics is addition.”
Of course, some spin will be necessary to differentiate these political machinations from what the others are doing, and in order to make them more palatable to the public. So in order to make the tired and the old appear like something fresh and noble, this is the message that has to be sent out to the public:
“If our side is recruiting the Evil guys, it’s giving them a shot at redemption. It the other side is doing it, they’re simply advancing the cause of Evil.”
These gradual political accomodations are like “salami shavingsâ€.A little shave of idealism here and there.
Sooner,rather than later,the Liberal Party will be another “Palakaâ€!
The ends justify the means,huh?
ramrod, re-check your Machiavelli, even he insisted at all times the appearance of piety must be maintained. you are confusing civic virtues with sanctity.
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Oh, I understand now. Civic virtues are entirely different from sanctity or what John Maxwell referred to as universal principles…government is a necessay evil, and the task of leaders’ is to maintain the “appearance” of piety.
So there is a diferent set of standards for politicians?
…if this is true, I’ll burn my Maxwell books and seminar handouts as they are not applicable to Philippine real life politics…
If this is the direction we are going to, are we progressing or are we justifying lowering of standards to fit reality?
Two points, Manolo. No, three:
1. If the coalition that deposed Marcos was able to take in those previously associated with him at the last minute, then admitting defections from the GMA camp is really nothing at all.
2. Normative standards of propriety are really a subjective thing. Everyone knows that corruption, patronage and rent-seeking permeates the government. Does that mean that everyone who has served in government is tainted? Where do you draw the line in the end to determine what or who is acceptable.
3. The allegory provides a very interesting mental exercise, but let us not get carried away here. I cannot imagine the camp of Noynoy making such decisions for or against something based on a work of fiction, just as I would hate for a justice quoting scripture in justifying his actions.
It’s really the end of the fairy tale, now that Noynoy’s camp is talking to Chiz “Boy Laway” Escudero.
Noynoy is STUPID to be talking to Chiz “Boy Laway” Escudero whose main goal in life is to dumb down the educational system. What is to be gained by inviting that narcissist and his sewage pipe mouth?
“Churchill never conceded that his fight was anything but Good vs. Evil.”
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Indeed, it took on not only dimensions of Good vs. Evil, but Life vs. Death, when the German Luftwaffe conducted its Blitz via the sustained bombing of Britain.
More than 50,000 civilian lives were lost, well over a million homes bombed to rubble, and countless military and industrial centers destroyed. On top of all of these, was the constant threat of imminent German invasion of Britain and the deadly V-1 flying bombs and V-2 rocket attacks, precursors of present-day missiles, which additionally claimed almost 10,000 lives.
In the face of being annihilated by the Germans, the entire British nation had no choice but to see the Germans as Evil. Being faced with an existentialist threat to their very survival, gave Churchill and the British people no choice.
I’m just pissed with the movie that they didn’t think to include Glorfindel.
Escudero=Gollum is apt only if no one does a serious intervention on Chiz.
Noynoy actually closely resembles gollum.
Ethics is going to fall by the wayside with a “win no matter what” philosophy.
There is winning well and winning poorly.
The new buzzline I am hearing is this:
What would Ninoy do? Not NoyNoy, Noy is not Ninoy.
Never mind ethics. Just baby win at whatever the cost! Our smart friends in blogosphere can rationalize it for us!
Carl again, no. Because the Germans and quite a few English were prepared to spare the British and their Empire. It was Churchill who insisted it was a fight between Good and Evil to the extent that the British had to fight even if it meant risking annihilitation and loss of empire.
Can’t disagree with your observations or your cautioning against overextending metaphors, Cusp.
Ramrod, no. Let’s separate Maxwell (whom I haven’t read so I can’t comment) from Machiavelli who was interested in power regardless of whether or not a prince was intrinsically good. He recognized goodness required a nod even from evil.
i’m a big believer in redemption, it’s what i’ve been advocating since 2005.
angela, it’s a general parable one can apply to anyone and any cause one believes in also.
From the way NoyNoy handled himself during last night’s interview we could already see a glimpse of his leadership style. Personally, I still adhere to good/bad, wise/unwise, right/wrong, open/close, etc. logic, nothing in between. I find easier to make decisions that way, especially if you use existing policy as basis or an agreement of some sorts. If its not black its white…
If we’re to swim in the same muddy water in the next administration, we might as well swim with the best (experts in swimming in muddy water) swimmers. This is looking more and more to me as someone’s project in image building gone sour (or someone’s half slip showing) and if nobody noticed this before I really don’t know whats going on anymore…
Regardless of what everyone is saying, my personal biases aside, Gibo seems to be the logical and sensible choice. I never liked the guy, then again, I don’t need to like him to admit I’m wrong…
why what did you find objectionable to his responses?
why what did you find objectionable to his responses?
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Not objectionable, for the most part Noynoy accomplished what was asked of him…what I see is mediocrity, lack of confidence (as seen in his bearing), lack of focus (as seen in his shifting eye focus), seeming lack of conviction, and incoherence. I had to replay the video thrice before i could get heads or tails of what he talking about…he’s the type of person that I will not hire based on the initial interview alone…what most people I believe are clamoring for is someone with a good heart regardless of past achievements, he hasn’t shown much of this either…he’s not a firebrand like his father nor charismatic like his mother…maybe I’m wrong, maybe I haven’t seen what most people see in him yet…I’ll promise to keep looking…
Winning at any cost has infected all sports.We find it particularly offensive when it involves our political leaders in this country.This mirrors the breakdown in ethics in our culture.
BUT, what is most SICKENING, is when our so-called “idealistic” candidates adopt the same philosophy!
Very well done, Manolo. Amen.
Jhay on, “So Noynoy is our so-called Frodo for now. I wonder where are the Gollums? Already surrounding him according to Serge Osmeña?”
Serge Osmena is the gollum who is both good and evil. His first reference to the evil Mafiosi was the first salvo. As Carl have repeatedly tried to paint Noynoy as Mafiosi based upon Serge Osmena’s Mafiosi claim but failed. It is easy to see that Osmena can no longer define Noynoy nor Gollum can define Frodo.
Ed Ebreo on, “Noynoy must not do a Frodo, He must do an Aragorn”
Despite that Frodo is the principal character of the book, people failed to grasp this and identified more with the flashy character of Aragorn. Simply stated, Aragorn could not do the job of Frodo.
“Carl again, no. Because the Germans and quite a few English were prepared to spare the British and their Empire. It was Churchill who insisted it was a fight”.
This is correct. Lord Halifax and other lords had the appeasement mentality to save British from the inconveniences of war. It would have been more tragic for British and the world if not for Lord Winston Churchill who stood up to the greatest challenge at that time.
“Not objectionable, for the most part Noynoy accomplished what was asked of him…what I see is mediocrity, lack of confidence (as seen in his bearing), lack of focus (as seen in his shifting eye focus), seeming lack of conviction, and incoherence. I had to replay the video thrice before i could get heads or tails of what he talking about…he’s the type of person that I will not hire based on the initial interview alone”.
In short, people are looking for persona like Hitler or Marcos (that can sell an ice to the Eskimo) but not their deeds.
“It’s really the end of the fairy tale, now that Noynoy’s camp is talking to Chiz “Boy Laway†Escudero.”
But this is the persona that voters are looking for. To Noynoy’s credit, these varied personalities can get the vote but they have little to decide on what the president can do or cannot do.
Speaking of evil …. no fantasy, real-life events, Filipinos of Mindanao.
Madasser Mangudadatu, a member of the ARMM-Regional Legislative Assembly . . . said they sent their sisters and the lawyer to file the COC for his brother.
“We were confident that they are not that type of persons (to kill women) so we sent all our ladies, that includes our eldest sister and youngest sister and some of our relatives, all women, believing that they will not kill them because they are women. But we made a big mistake because they did not spare anyone. they killed even the women, and children”.
The victims — women, children, media.
The Maguindanao massacre is the latest tragedy of President Gloria Macapagal administration -unequivocal support behind Governor Andal “Zaldy” Ampituan of Maguindanao. The victims are kins of rival clan who were trying to file COC to challenge the Arroyo’s man in Maguindanao.
Such brazen act stems from political patronage enjoyed by the Ampituans from the President, with Ampituans goons integrated into the Maguindanao police force. Standing order to the military is to prevent retaliation by the rival clan with the state of emergency declaration.
The misplaced order to the AFP is to disarm, instead to capture the perpetrators dead or alive in the interest of justice.
This is how political patronage works for President Gloria Arroyo and her (in)justice policy.
Can GMA redeem herself? Yes but that would entail prosecuting her husband and exposing herself. Would the better nature of her angels allow her to do this?
Not very likely..Her animal nature prevails..
During election season the motto guiding everyone will be “Pragmatism going amuck.â€
Elections is a form of civilized warfare to gain power. When Cory was alive and she saw the need to fight the government she did not hesitate to take to the streets. However she could not get many of the people today gravitating to Noynoy to follow her.
We elect our autocrats every six years. All the minor autocrats know they will have to reposition themselves and bet on who will take the crown.
The one who they perceive will take it all during the last month of campaigning will win the crown. That is when the real shifting will occur. The locals will send the signals during the closing days on who is the more likely to win. The candidate with the most effective communication systems in place will triumph.
Elections are not about ideals and principles. It is simply about fear and greed. Right now there is this underlying fear that we are a ship in tatters without a captain. Every candidate wants to become the pied piper.
One thing we have to thank GMA for is taking this country to the depths of hopelessness about the role of government in the scheme of things.
At a time when effective governments are holding the global economy from disintegrating we are seeing what may be the final disintegration of the Philippine government.
Hence we are looking for mythical personalities to save us.
Cory’s halo covered up many of the sins of her administration.
In short, people are looking for persona like Hitler or Marcos (that can sell an ice to the Eskimo) but not their deeds.
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Not really. Maybe a Lee Kuan Yew. At least someone with a clear vision, conviction, methodical background, discipline, and the eloquence to communicate all these so that people will follow. Personally, if we didn’t know Noynoy was the son of Ninoy and Cory, would we even follow him?
Gibo could have easily won points by attacking Gloria earlier on and claim epiphany and work for redemption. If he continues to show the same degree of professionalism, win or lose, he is undoubtedly one of those potential leaders we allowed to get away from us.
I sort of agree with those who oppose admitting the gollums of this world, but for a different reason. I personally do not think that the fight is between light and darkness, but that is not to say the majority of supporters do.
I just see this election as a tussle between groups of the elite. Except that the dominant one is using a narrative that has mythical dimensions. So the worst thing that can happen for that candidate is for his narrative/message to get muddled or incoherent.
Meanwhile, you have very articulate candidates on the other end with very coherent messages. In the end, the race could tighten up due to this factor: Noynoy’s message gets bogged down with petty infighting, while the underdogs might sharpen their message and present themselves as honest and/or competent alternatives.
In the end, even if we assume the possibility of “redemption” for the Rectos of the world (something that I don’t think is necessary since I don’t see him as guilty of anything-but that is beside the point), one would have to judge the fall-out of such a move and compare that with the gains brought about, in this case by securing the Batangas and pro-Vilma vote.
I guess as Buth Abad said, it is “case to case”. With each gollum, one would have to determine the baggage and the carriage that they bring in with them to see if it is a “net plus” or “net minus” to the bandwagon.
The way I see it, too many transactions like these could cost Noynoy in the end, in terms of quality support. If gaining power is all that really matters (as the Cojuangcos think – since even after EDSA I, they were willing to accommodate even the worst offenders of 3G politics (guns, goons and gold) into the LDP tent), then you would give equal weight to an idealist vote lost and a purchased vote won through local networks.
“Carl again, no. Because the Germans and quite a few English were prepared to spare the British and their Empire. It was Churchill who insisted it was a fight between Good and Evil to the extent that the British had to fight even if it meant risking annihilitation and loss of empire.” – mlq3
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The pacifists and the appeasers underestimated the fierce pride and nationalism of the British people. This was a very proud nation, which fought off the Spanish empire, rejected the impositions of the Roman Catholic Church, established its own global Empire and took pride of its mastery of the seas. Since the late 19th century, it was already paranoid of Teutonic ambitions, and these proved well-founded with the advent of World War I.
Churchill was among the politicians who understood British nationalism and the mentality of the British people. He knew that the British people would never give in to appeasement, and that they preferred to fight, even if it meant annihilation.
And Churchill was proven right. In the years leading to World War II, Churchill was a washed-up politician. He had seen better years, and was considered a crank and a zealot. Some viewed him as an extremist. But Nazi incursions into Eastern Europe caused the British people to think twice about Churchill’s views. As discontent grew over Lord Chamberlain’s appeasement policy, Churchill became more and more popular, until he took on a larger than life personality as the champion of British pride and nationalism.
So was it a case of the tail wagging the dog? Definitely not. The British people were wagging the tail. Churchill only gave voice to the nation’s proud, stubborn and unyielding character. Churchill had read the sentiments of the British people much better than the other politicians. During that period, he was in synch with the mood of the times.
And, just as Churchill was in synch with the people during World War II, he quickly fell out of step with the times after the Allied victory. In 1945, Churchill was defeated in elections.
there’s an interesting study done by john lukacs of britis public opinion during that time and particularly during what he considers the critical period of may 1940 when britain teetered on the brink of surrender. british public opinion teetered as well; it was churchill who crystallized what the fight was about, on two realms: among his fellow officials and among the public. else the british public was inclined to throw in the towel too at that point.
Well, also, Serge has been pretty unequivocal, he continues to support the Aquino-Roxas tandem, it’s the senate slate he’s distancing himself from.
President GMA is an angel in disguise.
Manolo, ORCS at it again in Mindanao.
Referring presumably to the ‘Isang Tanong Isang Sagot’ program…
Again Noynoy merely accomplished “what was asked of him” in the same way that he now runs for president because it was “what was asked of him”. Nothing new in that concept by now as I believe many have already highlighted this rather glaring trait of his to jump only when kicked in the arse. And as far as arse-kicking goes, Pinoys for their part don’t have much of a foot for it.
Indeed, the more disturbing thing to note now is the nature of the questions that were fielded in this program — something that is highlighted in a recent blog post by BetterPhilipines
If these represent the best of what our “expert grillers” can cough up, one begins to understand why our politicians behave the way they do and get away with as much as they do. They see no reward in performing at a level beyond what is asked of them by their constituents.
Even modern day hero Efren Peñaflorida given the driver’s seat stepped on the gas with a flaccid foot asking the question “How can one be a hero?”
As Borat say, “Izza nicccce.”
Oh, and by the way, perhaps it might be worth noting that these bozos from which we need to select our next leader are major sources of ad revenues for GMA and ABS-CBN.
Sayaw, Pinoy, sayaw.
Apart from the questionable wisdom of using a Tolkein fantasy as a guide to public policy, I’m not so sure the “Noynoy as Frodo” metaphor is all that complementary. The “hero” in this story:
*Is one who, reluctantly, does what he is told to do. After first trying desperately to pass the responsibility on to someone else.
*Nearly succumbs to the temptation of ‘evil’ numerous times, only to be saved in the nick of time by stronger personalities.
*Nearly screws up the whole thing in a variety of other ways, only to be saved by his wiser, more determined friend. (Mar take note: you’re going to be very busy)
*Eventually only succeeds not because he faced ‘evil’ head-on and won, but because a few thousand other people were busy getting killed to keep ‘evil’ distracted so the poor schlub had a chance of making it.
Really, it’s not something that inspires a lot of confidence when the preferred candidate of the author has to be described in terms of a fictional character, and especially not one that has readers of the book and viewers of the movie (I myself am a big fan of Tolkein, but really) either feeling sorry for him or being disgusted with his weak and selfish attitude most of the time.
Once again benigno comes in with rather disturbing insights…then again he’s been at it for a long time already, mostly very irritating to us “proud-to-be-Pinoys” and searchers of the holy grail of Philippine politics. Here we are, after clamoring, shouting, stand offing, etc. for change, and then seeing its more of the same…
“Ramrod, no. Let’s separate Maxwell (whom I haven’t read so I can’t comment) from Machiavelli who was interested in power regardless of whether or not a prince was intrinsically good. He recognized goodness required a nod even from evil.”
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MLQ, Machiavelli – in his book – very clearly stated a preference for Good. His main point, however, was that by simply being Good, by itself, is not enough. From his observations (which happens in reality), “bad people” will always resort to dirty tricks that will often get them winning over the “good guys” who may be too idealistic or naive.
The purpose of Machiavelli’s “the Prince” as stated in many areas of the book where Machiavelli states his own preferences for “good” is to provide leaders who WANT TO DO GOOD and BE GOOD a realization that they must be realistic and aware of what keeps a leader in power, so that such “good leaders” can continue doing good. That, in fact, the intrinsically good leaders may need to resort to dirty tricks or at least be AWARE that their enemies may be wanting to resort to dirty tricks against them, so that they won’t be toppled and thus can continue doing good.
It is not true that Machiavelli was interested only in Power. He studied the dynamics of Power to present those important and essential points by referring to historical examples and it was his hope that intrinsically Good leaders thus make themselves aware of such points so as to prevent them from being toppled by nefarious power-grabbers.
Noynoy is unfortunately too feeble-minded, naive, and dependent on his parents’ fame to be a good leader. In real truth, it does not matter what good intentions Noynoy or some of his backers may have. If Noynoy acts as a wimp and can’t get anything done, it’s all for nought.
Better to have a selfish bastard whose by-products of his/her actions are beneficial to the people than to have an angelic wimp who has no actions (and therefore no benefits) or may think his/her actions are good but actually they harm everyone.
(think of the 1987 Cory Constitution: Full of Good Intentions, protectionist economics, idealistic system. In the end, we end up with a system that discourages foreign investment due to protectionist provisions, and a system that has turned out to be CHAOTIC and favors personalities over policy programs.)
In short, intentions (and whether the leader is intrinsically good) don’t mean anything: what matters is whether the actions of that leader BENEFIT the people.
What good will Noynoy’s “intrinsically good” character (in fact, that’s only the spin!) do if he can’t fix the economy, upon which everything is based? (no funding, can’t do anything!)
we all look to literature for answers and things to ponder. we also take away different feelings, your response to frodo most definitely is very different from mine when i read it.http://www.quezon.ph/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?comment_status=all#comments-form
“your response to frodo most definitely is very different from mine when i read it”
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Obviously. I think we can agree to disagree on that, that’s the beauty of literature. Nevertheless, I think drawing parallels to real life from it is often invidious. I’ve read many different interpretations of Tolkein’s world, but they all draw the common conclusion that it reflects his perceptions of society in different aspects, from different times throughout history, and from a very English point of view. That makes the opportunities to ascribe other reflections to it very limited, and easy to misapply, as I think you’ve done here. But of course we can agree to disagree on that as well.
MLQ3,
Maybe it’s time you started looking more at reality and history (from a realistic, than an idealistic perspective), rather than looking literature for answers. The problem with using literature as one’s primary source for answers is that it often provides a highly romanticized, idealized, and Author’s bias-based view of the world.
Guess what, MLQ3, the real world isn’t really about Good and Evil. It’s about the interplay of numerous different peoples’ interests and self-interests. On the micro scale, “Good” means beneficial and “Evil” means detrimental. On the macro scale, the objective “Good” is whatever it is that contributes to the Greater Interest of the Majority without harming the greater interests of the innocent minority. And on the macro scale “Evil” is that which clearly (and in the long run) negatively affects the majority, whether or not it benefits a minority.
Remember, Manolo, even if a person does something for selfish reasons and it benefits him, IF it so happens that there are by-product effects of his actions that benefit the majority, then that is Good.
Good intentions, bad intentions: TOTALLY IRRELEVANT in the grand scheme of things.
Good results: That’s the only thing that matters.
Hope you learned something new today, Manolo…
the problem with this and your previous comment is you categorize one (lotr) as lit and another (the prince) not as lit; but beyond propsing machiavelli’s virtu and going down the road of fuhrerprinzip, there is still the problem of the individual ruler’s going beyond that. though i did raise the point of the ultimate goal taking into consideration individual good or bad intentions which suggests the need for compromise and pragmatism but in healthy and not all-consuming doses, it being equally unhealthy to insist on utter pragmatism but to loath compromise on the other hand confusing it with a betrayal of higher goals and values.
“If gaining power is all that really matters (as the Cojuangcos think – since even after EDSA I, they were willing to accommodate even the worst offenders of 3G politics (guns, goons and gold) into the LDP tent), then you would give equal weight to an idealist vote lost and a purchased vote won through local networks.” – The Cusp
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Aside from taking in notorious warlords like Chavit Singson, the Josons and the Dy’s, the Cory Administration, through Peping Cojuangco, brought into the LDP tent aspiring political tough guys who had the street smarts to fight “fire with fire” and to win elections. The Ampatuans were among the street smart toughies enlisted by the Cory Administration, as per the Philippine Daily Inquirer, dated today:
“The Ampatuans and Mangudadatus have reigned in Maguindanao politics since 1986 when the revolutionary government of then President Corazon Aquino appointed officers-in-charge to local elective posts of mayors, municipal, provincial and village legislators, as well as governors and their deputies.”
Yes, this Bilbo-Gollum rigmarole is really old hat. Good vs. Evil? Nonsense! It’s all about winning. That’s why jokers like Richard Gomez are being enlisted into the LP. To be sure, everyone else is doing it. The difference is that Manolo would want to embellish politics as usual, and portray it as a battle of Good vs. Evil.
you will have to look at the ultimate balance. if you enter the fray you cannot even to conceive of doing good unless you win. you do not go into battle if you intend to die, unless unless your death makes possible an even greater victory.
and again, things are a continuum. the question is were the ampatuans what they were in 1986,and also, what accounted for their spectacular increase in power since 2001.
To borrow a quip from another trilogy, only those who practice the dark side like to deal in absolutes.
I’m glad that Manolo now sounds more like someone more concerned with positive rather than normative politics. Narratives are a good way to frame a race, nothing more.
Behind the scenes real politic is what determines the real nature of the campaign. Any good one needs idealists to sell the dream and pragmatists to man the trenches.
Let’s assume every local politician is only interested in endorsing someone at the national level in order to milk him for favours post-election into office.
It would be good if the winner gains an even distribution of supporters across the country so that no one locality gains an unfair advantage in bargaining for projects. That way they cancel each other out. Taken in this light, the current bandwagon effect would result in a more equitable distribution of the “spoils”.
Reality is stranger than fiction…
A blogger asked the question :”How much does the EQ Post get paid for “attacking” Noynoy’s opponents?”
On the other hand, the OFFICIAL Noynoy Facebook site (c/o Leah Navarro) has banned the EQ Post from posting comments on its site.
Such is life…
MLQ3,
Are you afraid that others will see your views for what they are?
I see you suddenly turned on the automated Moderation here on your site. I guess that’s why your site was down. Too many dissenters, right?
Well, let me tell you: Maybe you can just decide to RE-EVALUATE your thought processes. Don’t just go with your gut or make a choice, then later on use your brains in order to defend it – it being a mistake in the first place, but you then need to defend it because you fear losing face.
SO THAT YOU DON’T LOSE FACE, why don’t you choose the argument that makes the MOST SENSE in the first place???
This is why you’re currently painted into a corner, Manolo. Sayang… You know a thing or two: you’re well-read/well-informed, but there’s something with your thought process that makes people snicker behind your back.
It’s because you choose to be an apologist for points-of-view that don’t make sense.
The Noynoy campaign is a logically-untenable stand. But you threw your support behind it, and frankly, you can’t really defend it at all. Kaya puro bola na lang. That’s a problem, Manolo.
Be what you should be, Manolo: A TRUE INTELLECTUAL.
MLQ3,
(Was your site down for a few hours? I couldn’t get this comment up as your site seemed to have suddenly disappeared until just now.)
Ok, then let’s be more clear-cut about it, then: Fiction versus NON-FICTION.
You need to stop looking at Fiction purely as a basis for how to look at the world and get yourself more into what’s really happening out there.
Do you know why the Philippines is mired in mediocrity and stasis? It’s actually because of too much of an infatuation with Good versus Evil, Manolo. More specifically, it’s too much of a fixation on Good Intentions versus Evil Intensions.
But guess what. Intentions are largely irrelevant insofar as Results are what matter. Good Intentions that result in Evil Results get ultimately trumped by Selfish Intentions that yield Good Results.
If you were to really look at things objectively, there really are no “Evil Intentions.†Each and every person does what he/she does because he/she thinks that what he/she does is Good or at least for his/her own benefit. The difference is the scope of this “Good.†A person who does something that others think is “Evil†is probably doing it because to him what he does is “Good†or to his benefit. Thus, what is “Good†– especially in terms of intentsions – is usually subjective.
If, however, Filipinos became more OBJECTIVE and thus eliminated too much of this infatuation with “Good verus Evil†in the realm of intentions, and instead focused purely on OBJECTIVE RESULTS, the vigilance of Filipinos would be more properly focused on getting positive and “Good Results†as opposed to focusing on looking at what appear to be “Good Intentions.â€
The real fact is that when Filipinos look at “Good versus Evilâ€, what they actually look at are “Altruistic versus Selfish.†However, just because an act benefits its agent (its doer) does not necessarily mean that it is Evil for others. An act that benefits its doer CAN indeed benefit him/herself (the doer) as well as the larger community.
Far too often, focusing ONLY on “Good Intentions†yields disappointment as good intentions alone do not always get the job done. And corollary to that, Manolo, Selfish Intentions do not always yield “Evil Resultsâ€, that is, results that are to the detriment of the wider community.
You might wish to look at how Communism, fueled by Altruistic Idealism and all sorts of Good Intentions fared in the grand scheme of things when it came to truly making a better society for the people living under it. For all the rhetoric of Altruism spewed by Communist cadres during its heyday, Communism has unfortunately done more harm than good. It killed more people not just through political violence, but more so through the adoption of wrong economic policies that caused mass starvation because of highly idealistic ideas on ensuring equality of the people.
But as soon as China reversed the policies of Mao and moved towards Capitalism, observe thus, how a supposedly Self-centered economic system focused on the individual accumulation of wealth has thus caused China to improve the general lives of millions of people better than misguided altruistic idealism has.
It is obvious that you have a bias against pragmatism or realism. I assure you that such a bias is not just misplaced. It is destructive and it ultimately is what causes a greater EVIL in Philippine Society.
If Filipinos can learn to be more Pragmatic and Realistic, then Filipinos would actually be more RESULTS-oriented and OBJECTIVE.
The good result of this, Manolo, would be that Filipinos would be more discerning about the abilities of people or groups to achieve results that are ultimately BENEFICIAL to the wider majority.
And if you are alright with it, allow me to give you some very constructive criticism on your latest reply to me:
“but beyond propsing machiavelli’s virtu (sic) and going down the road of fuhrerprinzip, there is still the problem of the individual ruler’s going beyond that. though i did raise the point of the ultimate goal taking into consideration individual good or bad intentions which suggests the need for compromise and pragmatism but in healthy and not all-consuming doses, it being equally unhealthy to insist on utter pragmatism but to loath compromise on the other hand confusing it with a betrayal of higher goals and values.â€
I mean no disrespect, but it seems to a huge number of people who have read your response with me that you’re actually trying to intellectualize your way out of the corner you painted yourself in. In short, nambobola ka. Really, man, it’s totally convoluted and circuitous double-speak. Get to the point, dude.
By the way, Manolo, if you are not going to use a keyboard with the ability to place a diaresis-umlaut on vowels that require it, you MUST spell “Führerprinzip†(with an umlauted u) as “Fuehrerprinzip.†A “ü†is fully interchangeable with a “ue†just as an “ö†is fully interchangeable with an “oeâ€, etc.
Now here’s where realism and pragmatism come in. If you had actually been a more staunch advocate of realism, pragmatism and the scientific way of arriving at conclusions which is:
1) suspend all conclusions based on preconceived notions, suspend premature judgment
2) analyze all relevant information
3) make appropriate conclusions only after all the appropriate analysis has been done
…then you probably would not have had to resort to pambobola and the “intellectualization†you tried to attempt.
Besides, if the majority of the people in Germany at the time were realistic and pragmatic, as opposed to being easily manipulated emotionally by Nazi rhetoric (resulting from their defeat in WWI and the crushing measures imposed on them by the Treaty of Versailles), they would not have been seduced by Hitler, and Germans would have been appropriately vigilant to guard against the Idealism (albeit morally reprehensible) of National Socialism. Had that been the case, the Nazis would have just remained a fringe group and would not have achieved the power they achieved thereby bringing Hitler to power.
In like manner, if at least the MAJORITY of Filipinos were realistic, pragmatic, scientific in arriving at their own views, and RESULTS-oriented, then Filipinos would be vigilant against empty promises that do not make sense. Filipinos would actually demand for solid plans from their leaders (especially those WANTING TO BECOME LEADERS), and make appropriate decisions. Truth be told, truly analytical people can actually tell if the plans of a leader (or a candidate) are achievable, feasible, and will bring out the beneficial RESULTS that are promised.
Sadly, Filipinos are not realistic nor are we Results-oriented as a people. There is too much of a misplaced emphasis on Idealism as well as Intentions, and in fact, Realism and Pragmatism are actually frowned upon as being too “scheming.â€
Worse, it’s a big stretch to wish for the ordinary Filipino majority to become Realistic and Pragmatic if people like you, Manuel L. Quezon III, actually disdain Realism, Pragmatism, and an orientation towards Results.
As it is, Philippine Society’s overemphasis on Idealism means a major disaster for our society as hardly anyone will really be truly vigilant about demanding for real beneficial results, and instead, everyone will just be content to ask for platitudes and motherhood statements like “Good versus Evil†and all sorts of empty rhetoric.
You can do better than than, Manolo. You’re supposed to be well-read. Now it’s time for you to use your logical faculties to arrive at more realistic conclusions rather than act as an apologist for the situation of naïveté and focus on intentions that has continued to yield mediocre results.
Your Pro-Noynoy advocacy is obviously based on Idealism and a focus on “Good Intentions.†Well, there’s nothing to show that Noynoy will achieve good results, and no one – not even you – are trying to frame it in a Results-oriented way, because you can’t! It will surely invite more critics to bore holes into Noynoy’s lack of ability in achieving results.
But again, if you – Manuel L. Quezon III – can’t see that, then even ordinary Juans, Pedros, and Marias won’t see that. And we’ll forever be prisoners to mediocrity.
Consider, Manolo, that since Philippine Society asks only for Good Intentions, then that’s ALL IT GETS: Good Intentions, “Good Rhetoricâ€, and pambobola suffice.
MLQ3,
Ok, then let’s be more clear-cut about it, then: Fiction versus NON-FICTION.
You need to stop looking at Fiction purely as a basis for how to look at the world and get yourself more into what’s really happening out there.
Do you know why the Philippines is mired in mediocrity and stasis? It’s actually because of too much of an infatuation with Good versus Evil, Manolo. More specifically, it’s too much of a fixation on Good Intentions versus Evil Intensions.
But guess what. Intentions are largely irrelevant insofar as Results are what matter. Good Intentions that result in Evil Results get ultimately trumped by Selfish Intentions that yield Good Results.
If you were to really look at things objectively, there really are no “Evil Intentions.†Each and every person does what he/she does because he/she thinks that what he/she does is Good or at least for his/her own benefit. The difference is the scope of this “Good.†A person who does something that others think is “Evil†is probably doing it because to him what he does is “Good†or to his benefit. Thus, what is “Good†– especially in terms of intentsions – is usually subjective.
If, however, Filipinos became more OBJECTIVE and thus eliminated too much of this infatuation with “Good verus Evil†in the realm of intentions, and instead focused purely on OBJECTIVE RESULTS, the vigilance of Filipinos would be more properly focused on getting positive and “Good Results†as opposed to focusing on looking at what appear to be “Good Intentions.â€
The real fact is that when Filipinos look at “Good versus Evilâ€, what they actually look at are “Altruistic versus Selfish.†However, just because an act benefits its agent (its doer) does not necessarily mean that it is Evil for others. An act that benefits its doer CAN indeed benefit him/herself (the doer) as well as the larger community.
Far too often, focusing ONLY on “Good Intentions†yields disappointment as good intentions alone do not always get the job done. And corollary to that, Manolo, Selfish Intentions do not always yield “Evil Resultsâ€, that is, results that are to the detriment of the wider community.
(continued)
Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli
Take it easy on Manolo.I may not agree with what he says BUT he has been a most gracious host of this site.
I leave you with a reflection:
“I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”Adlai Stevenson
Reality is much stranger than fiction in Pinoy Politics.
EQ
nick, dreamhost went down, and most of the blogs hosted on it. and this blog has had the spam karma plugin for quite a few years now.
as for the rest, unfortunately your views are your own, and not mine, and so i cannot be you, as you wish me to be.
MLQ3,
(Was your site down for a few hours? I couldn’t get this comment up as your site seemed to have suddenly disappeared until just now.)
Ok, then let’s be more clear-cut about it, then: Fiction versus NON-FICTION.
You need to stop looking at Fiction purely as a basis for how to look at the world and get yourself more into what’s really happening out there.
Do you know why the Philippines is mired in mediocrity and stasis? It’s actually because of too much of an infatuation with Good versus Evil, Manolo. More specifically, it’s too much of a fixation on Good Intentions versus Evil Intensions.
But guess what. Intentions are largely irrelevant insofar as Results are what matter. Good Intentions that result in Evil Results get ultimately trumped by Selfish Intentions that yield Good Results.
If you were to really look at things objectively, there really are no “Evil Intentions.†Each and every person does what he/she does because he/she thinks that what he/she does is Good or at least for his/her own benefit. The difference is the scope of this “Good.†A person who does something that others think is “Evil†is probably doing it because to him what he does is “Good†or to his benefit. Thus, what is “Good†– especially in terms of intentsions – is usually subjective.
If, however, Filipinos became more OBJECTIVE and thus eliminated too much of this infatuation with “Good verus Evil†in the realm of intentions, and instead focused purely on OBJECTIVE RESULTS, the vigilance of Filipinos would be more properly focused on getting positive and “Good Results†as opposed to focusing on looking at what appear to be “Good Intentions.â€
The real fact is that when Filipinos look at “Good versus Evilâ€, what they actually look at are “Altruistic versus Selfish.†However, just because an act benefits its agent (its doer) does not necessarily mean that it is Evil for others. An act that benefits its doer CAN indeed benefit him/herself (the doer) as well as the larger community.
Far too often, focusing ONLY on “Good Intentions†yields disappointment as good intentions alone do not always get the job done. And corollary to that, Manolo, Selfish Intentions do not always yield “Evil Resultsâ€, that is, results that are to the detriment of the wider community.
You might wish to look at how Communism, fueled by Altruistic Idealism and all sorts of Good Intentions fared in the grand scheme of things when it came to truly making a better society for the people living under it. For all the rhetoric of Altruism spewed by Communist cadres during its heyday, Communism has unfortunately done more harm than good. It killed more people not just through political violence, but more so through the adoption of wrong economic policies that caused mass starvation because of highly idealistic ideas on ensuring equality of the people.
But as soon as China reversed the policies of Mao and moved towards Capitalism, observe thus, how a supposedly Self-centered economic system focused on the individual accumulation of wealth has thus caused China to improve the general lives of millions of people better than misguided altruistic idealism has.
It is obvious that you have a bias against pragmatism or realism. I assure you that such a bias is not just misplaced. It is destructive and it ultimately is what causes a greater EVIL in Philippine Society.
If Filipinos can learn to be more Pragmatic and Realistic, then Filipinos would actually be more RESULTS-oriented and OBJECTIVE.
The good result of this, Manolo, would be that Filipinos would be more discerning about the abilities of people or groups to achieve results that are ultimately BENEFICIAL to the wider majority.
And if you are alright with it, allow me to give you some very constructive criticism on your latest reply to me:
“but beyond propsing machiavelli’s virtu (sic) and going down the road of fuhrerprinzip, there is still the problem of the individual ruler’s going beyond that. though i did raise the point of the ultimate goal taking into consideration individual good or bad intentions which suggests the need for compromise and pragmatism but in healthy and not all-consuming doses, it being equally unhealthy to insist on utter pragmatism but to loath compromise on the other hand confusing it with a betrayal of higher goals and values.â€
I mean no disrespect, but it seems to a huge number of people who have read your response with me that you’re actually trying to intellectualize your way out of the corner you painted yourself in. In short, nambobola ka. Really, man, it’s totally convoluted and circuitous double-speak. Get to the point, dude.
By the way, Manolo, if you are not going to use a keyboard with the ability to place a diaresis-umlaut on vowels that require it, you MUST spell “Führerprinzip†(with an umlauted u) as “Fuehrerprinzip.†A “ü†is fully interchangeable with a “ue†just as an “ö†is fully interchangeable with an “oeâ€, etc.
Now here’s where realism and pragmatism come in. If you had actually been a more staunch advocate of realism, pragmatism and the scientific way of arriving at conclusions which is:
1) suspend all conclusions, suspend premature judgment
2) analyze all relevant information
3) make appropriate conclusions only after all the appropriate analysis has been done
…then you probably would not have had to resort to pambobola and the “intellectualization†you tried to attempt.
Besides, if the majority of the people in Germany at the time were realistic and pragmatic, as opposed to being easily manipulated emotionally by Nazi rhetoric (resulting from their defeat in WWI and the crushing measures imposed on them by the Treaty of Versailles), they would not have been seduced by Hitler, and Germans would have been appropriately vigilant to guard against the Idealism (albeit morally reprehensible) of National Socialism. Had that been the case, the Nazis would have just remained a fringe group and would not have achieved the power they achieved thereby bringing Hitler to power.
In like manner, if at least the MAJORITY of Filipinos were realistic, pragmatic, scientific in arriving at their own views, and RESULTS-oriented, then Filipinos would be vigilant against empty promises that do not make sense. Filipinos would actually demand for solid plans from their leaders (especially those WANTING TO BECOME LEADERS), and make appropriate decisions. Truth be told, truly analytical people can actually tell if the plans of a leader (or a candidate) are achievable, feasible, and will bring out the beneficial RESULTS that are promised.
Sadly, Filipinos are not realistic nor are we Results-oriented as a people. There is too much of a misplaced emphasis on Idealism as well as Intentions, and in fact, Realism and Pragmatism are actually frowned upon as being too “scheming.â€
Worse, it’s a big stretch to wish for the ordinary Filipino majority to become Realistic and Pragmatic if people like you, Manuel L. Quezon III, actually disdain Realism, Pragmatism, and an orientation towards Results.
As it is, Philippine Society’s overemphasis on Idealism means a major disaster for our society as hardly anyone will really be truly vigilant about demanding for real beneficial results, and instead, everyone will just be content to ask for platitudes and motherhood statements like “Good versus Evil†and all sorts of empty rhetoric.
You can do better than than, Manolo. You’re supposed to be well-read. Now it’s time for you to use your logical faculties to arrive at more realistic conclusions rather than act as an apologist for the situation of naïveté and focus on intentions that has continued to yield mediocre results.
Your Pro-Noynoy advocacy is obviously based on Idealism and a focus on “Good Intentions.†Well, there’s nothing to show that Noynoy will achieve Good Results, and no one – not even you – are trying to frame it in a Results-oriented way, because you can’t! You know that if you place Noynoy’s campaign within a Results-oriented framework, it will surely invite more critics to bore holes into Noynoy’s very obvoius and glaring lack of ability in achieving results.
Noynoy is easily going to win, but he very clearly won’t deliver. You are part of the group that will be held accountable for bringing in a leader whom we all knew can’t deliver.
But again, if you – Manuel L. Quezon III – can’t see that, then even ordinary Juans, Pedros, and Marias won’t see that. And we’ll forever be prisoners to mediocrity.
Consider, Manolo, that since Philippine Society asks only for Good Intentions, then that’s ALL IT GETS: Good Intentions, “Good Rhetoricâ€, and pambobola all suffice.
But if Philippine Society asks only for GOOD RESULTS, then that will be what it WILL GET: We will achieve Good Results if majority focus on asking for good results.
Your choice, Manolo…
(The one under moderation now is the correct version, the first one which came out of moderation has some duplication. It loops at some point… Just delete that one, and retain the newer one which was just recently posted – but is still under moderation)
For pity’s sake, the worst Philippine tragedy in my lifetime, worst than Garci, Ondoy, the “accidental” killing in Paranaque, etc has just happened. You’re talking about other things? People in Mindanao who believe that unarmed women and journalists are fair game for their grisly hobbies, and just as bad, the completely inappropriate slow reaction by government when they should’ve left no room for doubt that they would act. This happened in your country, to your own people. Just because they don’t read Twilight or watch Conan O’Brien, you think their lives mean less? Look at how they were killed and look at the apparent lack of boundaries in the hearts of the perpetrators. Mindanao might be in the Middle Ages but so are you for not putting this on top of your lists today, this abhorrent deed. You are like the nobility of 500 years ago who’d drink wine and eat roast pig and splendid time while the peasantry are being raped and killed by barbarians.
so you really think noynoy is frodo (metaphorically speaking)?
Nick MacYavellee thinks he knows better than Manolo. Dude, you are delusional. Hardly anybody subscribed to your pragmatist/realist ranting which is why the Philippines is in its current state. Filipinos have always decided clearly in the most realistic and practical terms for their votes. You ask Filipinos to be discerning which is opposite to being realist and practical. Discerning is for higher purpose far from the reality of an empty stomach. You screwed up Germany history by stating that Germans being impractical and unrealistic were easily seduced by Hitler. Tsk, tsk. It is completely the opposite. Germany’s economy was a total disaster following WW1 and the world demand for war reparation. Being practical and realistic, Germans embraced Nazism for Hitler’s solution to food shortage, hyperinflation and unemployment.
Before you offer a condescending advise to Manolo, you should have realized no one values your thoughts. If you cannot understand that, there is no hope that you can even discern that Manolo has professional authorship and columns while you don’t.
MLQ, “Churchill never conceded that his fight was anything but Good vs. Evil.â€
Carl, “The entire British nation had no choice but to see the Germans as Evil. Being faced with an existentialist threat to their very survival, gave Churchill and the British people no choice”.
MLQ, “Carl again, no. Because the Germans and quite a few English were prepared to spare the British and their Empire. It was Churchill who insisted it was a fight between Good and Evil…
Carl, “Churchill was among the politicians who understood British nationalism and the mentality of the British people. He knew that the British people would NEVER give in to appeasement”.
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Carl, you should read the biography of Sir Winston Churchill. It was choice that Churchill had to make. He has the choice to give the rein of the government to Lord Chamberlain whose appeasement agreement with Hitler was “CHEERED BY THE BRITISH PUBLIC when Chamberlain announced it upon his return from Munich.”
It is wrong to rewrite Churchill’s biography.
One cannot blame people from having hope. But in the case of Germany, Hitler simply took advantage of an old historical distrust of Germans versus the Jews.
The fact that Karl Marx was of a Jewish father did not help. He used the communist bogey and went after the Jews. His national polices naturally benefitted the German industrial class. The Germans got off the gold standard and stopped paying their debts. They then made plans to get back the land forcibly ceded to the French which formed part of their industrial heartland.
The German elite backed him all the way with only a handful opposing him. Hitler’s Germany was a clear case of democracy giving rise to a group that destroyed it. That is the weakness of the system that forgets about the issue of economic democracy as being the basis for social stability. Democracy allows for its own destruction.
The Philippines stands out as another example of failing democratic state. Without inclusive economic democracy you will have the failure of the democratic political process. The issues ongoing in Mindanao is the effect of keeping them poor and helpless to provide for an ATM for command votes when needed. GMA more than anything helped create those monsters down South. She has let the genie out of the battle.
Yes I agree it will take the Frodo’s of the Philippines to make things happen for the better. It is after all the nameless no bodies who work to feed, clothe and shelter us that will matter and be counted. Brazil has a steel worker union leader in the person of a Lula da Silva.
But I doubt if Noynoy is the one. We are too far backward yet.
Brian B on, “For pity’s sake, the worst Philippine tragedy in my lifetime, worst than Garci, Ondoy, the “accidental†killing in Paranaque, etc has just happened. You’re talking about other things?”
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Manolo’s column is highly relevant to the latest Philippine tragedy. While the President Arroyo portrayed surprise, this would not have happened without the political patronage, especially the executive order by signed by Arroyo.
The rise of Ampatuan clan started when Andal Ampatuan was put into power in 2001 by Erap in his all-out war against extremist Muslims. The plan was to unseat Muslim officials who were MILF coddlers.
In 2004 presidential election, Ampatuan delivered the entire ARMM region to Gloria Arroyo and made him virtually unopposed and powerful in the region. The few teachers who disclosed that they stuffed ballots were beheaded. Ampatuan conversation with the Comelec Garcillano guaranteeing the region’s result was recorded in the infamous Garci tape.
When the MOA-AD for separate BangsaMoro failed due to TRO at the Supreme Court, the Muslim South went to war. The MOA-AD would have put enormous power on Muslim clan very close to the Palace, undoubtedly the main beneficiary would be the Ampatuan as already the ARMM governor with all the machinery in case of referendum or election.
Due to war, the President signed an executive order to arm the civilians as CVOs (in addition to CAFGU’s) and put them under the disposal of the local warlords. The IRA allotment was used to buy arms for the private armies who are trained by the military. In short, the words of Ampatuan becomes the law. The massacre of Mangudadatu women (former allies) is show of force on those who dare to cross the chief warlord. We are talking of a region where you cannot file a case without asking permission from the local official. The sons of Ampatuan are feared riding in black SUVs with fully armed convoy in the area. Their only check of power is when they go to Davao (where the nightlife is) and told by the fearless Mayor Duterte that they have to be disarmed and cannot use the sirens on their vehicle like they did in their own place.
The tragedy is just surface of the kind of perverted justice that exist in the Muslim South as coddled into power by the current President.
This is why Manolo’s column on good and evil strikes at the heart of the tragedy.
dods what just happened is our own 9-11. Tsk. If these people get away with it, it’s going to be far worse than Garci. The act itself was unimaginable, and just as unimaginable is that the greater and apparently disinterested population of the Philippines will have let it all pass by them in a few days. I’ve complained about this before, well-to-do and educated Filipinos are merely building walls around themselves. Hindi na tayo tumalino, we’re being derivative pa. I mean living in Intramuros isn’t exactly a future I want for myself and my children. Where are the so-called liberal democrats, Gusto lang ata ninyo magkulong sa mga villages nyong napaligiran ng pader.
“The tragedy is just surface of the kind of perverted justice that exist in the Muslim South as coddled into power by the current President.
This is why Manolo’s column on good and evil strikes at the heart of the tragedy.”
Not related at all.
Brian B on, “Where are the so-called liberal democrats, Gusto lang ata ninyo magkulong sa mga villages nyong napaligiran ng pader.”
The people has nothing to do with tragedy. The President has the state power. She can implement justice, only if she has the will since she is coddling Ampatuan clan, her most trusted warlord in the South.
I am talking about reaction, public outcry that could pressure government. You’re playing deaf and dumb.
And also sympathy and horror. Decent, civilized people are supposed to be horrified and are expected to be vocal of their horror. That most Filipinos are either too apathetic or too afraid to react just shows how uncivilized we all are.
Dami pang kailangan matutunan ng Pinoy (and I’m including the elte and the middle here) bago tayo maging totoong sibilisado. One of them is disgust. We simply do not understand disgust. Our feeling of disgust are simply mimicry, a pretense. To feel disgust, one must have clear boundaries, and these boundaries can both be instinctive or acquired (e.g learned). We are simply too unlearned and too pretentious (we’ve shed all worthy instincts as Filipinos) to be appropriately disgusted with anything. The feeling of disgust is also accompanied with the desire and will to set things and one’s mind in order. But what do we do as a people, we try to sleep it out.
sleep it off.
Brian B on, “I am talking about reaction, public outcry that could pressure government. You’re playing deaf and dumb.”
You have forgotten that no amount of pressure can force Arroyo except from the international community. Let alone the presidential election with no less than the US officials came to visit her. Local public outcry against Arroyo administration had always been dismissed. Excuse me, it is the President playing deaf and dumb. The Filipinos naturally just felt numb being unceremoniously ignored.
Brian B on, “dods what just happened is our own 9-11″.
Where have you been? You live too long in the west. No wonder, you are disconnected from what is happening in Muslim Mindanao. It is not that this did not happen in the past. Beheading is common headline there. Only this time, in large proportion, on women and done by the warlord who was put into power originally to counter the MILF atrocities, protected by the Palace and the military. Now, the atrocities is inflicted on previous allies who dared to challenge his power. This is far from 9-11 inflicted by the enemies of the state. This is inflicted by the state (Ampatuan being in the government) against its own people who dare to challenge his power.
Manolo, your views on Churchill are personality-oriented. I disagree with that. I believe Churchill was more in synch with the mood of the times and the people chose him to lead them during the appropriate time. Chamberlain saw the handwriting on the wall, and he chose to resign, paving the way for Churchill to take over at a crucial period in Britain’s history. Previous to that, Churchill had already been considered a cantankerous, bellicose political has-been. The long history of British pride and nationalism wouldn’t allow the nation to capitulate so easily to Germany. And it was the British people who chose the man for the times.
Fittingly, it seems that the British people saw Churchill as the appropriate leader for times of war, and not the suitable one for times of peace. Churchill was defeated in the elections of 1945, soon after the war was over.
The British Empire paid a heavy price for its intransigence. Apart from the many civilian lives lost, structures and industries destroyed, and the historical city of London reduced to ruins, a much-diminished Britain had to shed off her colonies and lower her standing in the world order, ceding the dominant role to the U.S., and, to a certain extent, the Soviet Union.
To this day, there is resentment toward France, which capitulated to the Germans, and was largely spared the brutality of Nazi bombings. To be sure, the French conducted their resistance thru De Gaulle who, ironically, was based in exile in England. France today boasts of having, arguably, the most beautiful city in the world in Paris. But the grandeur, the majesty and the history of Paris would not have been possible had the French not surrendered to the Germans. To add insult to injury, soon after World War II, De Gaulle wanted France to share the world stage as one of the leading superpowers, even attempting to elbow out Britain.
carl, we disagree on whether Churchill was in keeping with the mood of the times, or whether he helped mold his times; his stubborn warnings about hitler made him the man of the times when the nazis were revealed for what he said they were all along; but whether, after that, he was always firmly at the head of public opinion (and of party opinion), is something else entirely.
i’d recommend these very revealing books:
http://www.amazon.com/Duel-Eighty-Day-Struggle-Between-Churchill/dp/0300089163
http://www.amazon.com/Five-Days-London-May-1940/dp/0300080301
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300103021
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Burying-Caesar-Churchill-Chamberlain-Battle/dp/0753810603
i think you’ll enjoy them very much. the first three are by john lukacs, to my my mind the most engaging because eloquent yet subtle, admirer of churchill and whose approach to history i personally deeply admire; and the last is a truly fascinating study of the dynamics and rivalry between churchill and chaimberlain.
Thanks Dodong, but I think also the parallel story here is the murder of Moises Padilla in 1951.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,859540,00.html
and
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,820089,00.html
The case of the Ampatuans of Maguindanao demonstrates why national leaders can’t just take the logistics of local leaders and run. Ever since, both pre- and post-martial law leaders at the national level have been held hostage to the “bottom-up” clientelism of local elites.
At least in this arena, there is open competition among them, which means the executive can still wield some modicum of central control for as long as he/she remains legitimate and popular.
The irony of People Power is that national leaders have been even more dependent on local leaders to power in the face of counter-revolutionary and destabilising forces. Unlike Aquino though, GMA sought re-election, which made her even more susceptible to crooked officials offering a shady means of manufacturing a win. She could not turn her back on them subsequently. They gained and exercised bargaining power over her and presumably would help “elect” her successor.
Under martial law all of this ceased but was replaced by a top-down patronage system that included the president, his cronies and generals. This resulted in an even more inefficient allocation of resources.
The Erap interlude demonstrated how fragile our state was: susceptible to the same top down patronage and cronyism despite the so-called democratic checks and balances. Had Erap been a bit more proficient in shielding himself from prosecution, he might have avoided all the troubles that befell his presidency. The competence of GMA has provided a template for doing so.
This is why there has been a swing back in the public mood toward a less-competent but honest leader (in the mould of Cory) because as one academic wrote “competence can be outsourced, probity can’t”.
The big risk of course is that with a weak leader, clientelism could erode his political capital to the hilt and undermine his governance agenda.
d0d0ng,
If all Filipinos were Pragmatic/Realist, they’d be results-oriented. And if all were results-oriented, that means even our most intelligent and even our most idealistic ones would be results-oriented as well.
Thus, if everyone were pragmatic/realistic and results-oriented, the debates we would all have would be about results. The differences would then be about the short-term, mid-term, and long-term results and how to balance them out, or how to prioritize them.
And yes d0d0ng, you are right: it’s because no one follows what I say that we are in this mess. If Filipinos don’t listen to my message of pragmatism/realism and being results-oriented, what is the result? People remain enamored by intentions. People talk about Good and Evil. People focus less on results. Well, that’s why we ended up in this mess in the first place. Because since the majority does not look at results, some unscrupulous people who learn to become results-oriented take advantage of their results-orientation to become schemers with “ulterior-motives.”
But guess what… These people only emerge BECAUSE the vast majority of Filipinos are not results-oriented to begin with.
If everyone had been results-oriented, then everyone would be vigilant about unscrupulous schemers and that would put them out of business.
Manolo,
Can you tell us again why you’re a Noynoy stooge? I mean, honestly, you’re supposed to be well-informed and intelligent. I don’t really see why you’d advocate the candidacy of an unintelligent, uninformed, incompetent, uncharismatic, tongue-tied, and uninspiring man whose only redeeming quality is that he bears his father’s name!
You’re not on his payroll are you? Seeking favors and spoils when he wins, perhaps?
It really does not compute. So far, only stupid and totally clueless people go for Noynoy.
So what gives, Manolo? You’re not stupid. You’re not clueless…
Scheming perhaps?
“Thanks Dodong, but I think also the parallel story here is the murder of Moises Padilla in 1951.”
Yeah and the parallel of 9-11 is the young Kennedy crashing his plane.
nick, how to respond when all your assumptions are false
read the moises padilla story first, brian, and the outrage it produced.
MLQ3,
Here are my assumptions about you:
1. You are a supporter of Noynoy. True or False?
2. You are well-informed. True or False?
3. You are intelligent. True or False?
4. You are not stupid. True or False?
5. You are not clueless. True or False?
Explain which assumptions are FALSE, Mr. Explainer.
I’ve heard the story from my lolo, Manolo. Don’t need Time to tell me what happened. The Kennedy analogy is apt. You have any idea how many Americans cried when he crashed his plane? They’ve made movies about it. A popular story. The ending was also thoroughly satisfying.
Tell, do you think there’s a worthier story this week?
this is the story, and a story for a generation.
you flatter me for your purposes, but the context is the accompanying assumptions, of course.
And Manolo, killing one man is very doable. You and I can do it. Anyone can. The only difference is that the old sugar Governor has the power to do it in plain sight. He wanted to terrorize. Killing 50 people, however, women included, in cold blood. Something else. Oh, I can fathom it, whch is why I believe this is cultural watershed for us. Are we one country or just a bunch of tribes pretending to be under one flag? Was the incident relevant to the entire nation. Absolutely. But why does the entire nation act like they don’t think it is?
I agree with you this is a watershed moment, but I have a different impression, that there is nationwide outrage and horror over this.
Nick seems to be arguing that since idealists only produce good intentions then they are bad. Corollary to that, pragmatists/realists produce results and therefore are good for the country.
He seems to be hinting that good intentioned people like to intervene in political and economic markets that have unintended dire consequences and that pragmatists, in recognising this push for more limited policies that work with and leverage these markets.
The results from the latter are more stable since they are more sustainable and in line with stakeholder interests.
If my reading of this is correct, then it doesn’t necessarily contradict what Manolo is saying, since he is arguing for a tempered approach between the idealistic and pragmatist route to winning (and perhaps governing). Manolo is seeking an equilibrium, which in essence is what is called for when dealing with political and economic markets.
There are no absolutes of course: you can be pragmatic while having some noble aspirations. No one is completely bereft of good intentions, I would think.
i wonder why you think noynoy is frodo (do you?) why not any of the other candidates? nick perlas maybe? i dont get it..
Answer the questions, Manolo. Are they true or false? If some are true and some are false, which ones are true, and which ones are false?
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The Cusp,
You are right. There are many pragmatic idealists, that is, they are idealists and pragmatists at the same time. No one ever said that they have to be mutually-exclusive, and indeed, some of the most successful societies in the region were brought to their current level of success by leaders who are pragmatic idealists.
In a way, all I’m saying is that if everyone was a pragmatist, then even our idealists would be pragmatic.
When the majority are pragmatic and when our idealists are pragmatic, then the results they will seek to pursue will be ideal. Not just that, they will more likely be successful.
The Idealists we have in the Philippines, on the other hand, seem averse to realism and pragmatism and even tend to disdain anything that comes close to being realistic and pragmatic. The policies that such Idealists thus pursue often tend to be far removed from reality, and concentrate solely on up-in-the-clouds ideals. In the end, since they are unattainable and impractical, they never come to fruition. The end result: NO RESULTS.
The unfortunate truth shown by history is that between a purely idealistic Don Quixote and a purely selfish-but-pragmatic Prince, more tangible benefits have come to more people by Machiavellian Prince-like leaders then by Quixotic ones. Because in the end, selfish leaders still need to deliver something to the people they lead in order to continue in power.
Quixotic leaders with no pragmatism/realism in them tend to think naively that everyone else is intrinsically benign and altruistic like they are, and that is a wrong assumption. In the final analysis, they fail to deliver on everything, and almost always get “out-delivered” by the selfish Machiavellian Princes who – in the quest to preserve power – end up needing to produce just enough results to survive in power.
This is what the Noynoy camp is all about: Quixotic Romanticism about “Good and Evil”, but nothing tangible to offer to the people. And that’s why I need to hear from MLQ3 what exactly his stand is vis-a-vis Noynoy.
Last I heard, MLQ3 is pro-Noynoy. Now unless he has changed his stand, I’d like to hear from MLQ3 exactly what he has to say about his Noynoy advocacy.
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Manolo, care to tell us what your stand is?
The Cusp,
By the way, I wouldn’t exactly say that Idealists are “bad” per se. I would actually say that pure Idealists just happen to be more likely to be ineffectual and in the long run, produce little or no results.
If you have pure Quixotic Idealists with absolutely no hint of realism or pragmatism in them competing against each other, then you have a contest for Idealistic “good intentions.” All those “good intentions” tend to just remain words spoken or written, or if implemented, fall flat because they weren’t feasible.
But if on the other hand, you have pure pragmatists/realists with absolutely no hint of idealism in them competing against each other, you have a contest between plans and results. The contest BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION becomes one of proving why one’s plan is more feasible than the other. The pragmatist/realist, as mentioned, ultimately realizes that he/she needs to deliver on results that matter to the people (as he would recognize that he needs their support to stay in power in the first place) and as such, will tend to pursue policies that will yield results that are beneficial to the most people possible.
The best of course is for everyone in society, especially its leaders to be BOTH pragmatists/realists and idealists at the same time. But guess what, the Universe favors realists/pragmatists more because everything really is about the law of survival. We just temper that with idealism to make it less “brutal.”
you’re welcome to review this blog and my column
Eh, saan na ang mga maaangas ng Maynila, saan na ang mga lovers of free speech ng middle class? When we need to be vocal we fall silent, but froth in the mouth when all that happened was a broken nail. Yan talaga puro yabang pa-sigaw sigaw kunwari matapang magmura. Eto ngayon, warlord din katulad ng mga Pangandamans.
Ang totoo nyan eh kaya naman ng maski sibilyan lumaban sa mga katulad nitong mga ampatuan. Unlike the Abus and the MILF, they’re not trained soldiers. Pero sa kanila kasi ang autoridad. What we need is for the civil sector to pressure Malacanang. I don;t feel that we are putting enough attention in this. MLQ3 said he think we are responsive enough to this inhuman loss of human life. I personally think the middle class just wants this to go away, unprocessed. Something like this happens, folks, you gotta think and feel about it. Napaka bobo byo naman if you think this will just go away. This needs to be hammered into something resembling a just structure.
Demcracy needs to be asserted or even foisted in. Right now, unfortunately, the populace is the only keeper and enabler of democracy, not the duly elected government. You say the Internet is power, show it.
Because if they don;t listen then I’m afraid some of us will just have to go away while those who cannot have to fight. You do not just explain your side to Barbarians, you have to fight them.
Nick, I would agree with you up to a point. Two points I’d like to make-
1. Marcos was the ultimate pragmatist of course, who skillfully mastered geopolitics to squeeze out all the benefits he could from the US in the form of foreign aid, multilateral and commercial loans. Unfortunately, we can see how he squandered that opportunity with his crookedness.
2. To lead 90M people takes not only managerial competence, but inspirational leadership. One area where pragmatic idealism produces results is in the trust department by creating social capital. There is so much gridlock at the moment because citizens do not trust the state. That is why pure pragmatism is not enough.
The kind of people who support Noynoy are those starstruck ignoramuses who try to force parallelisms between this pathetic saga of his to dramatic telenovela-like stories and fantasy books. They like to think that a happy ending will inevitably ensue if their protagonist exhibits the same characteristics as their fairy tale heroes. This forced association between Noynoy and Frodo can only be described as the work of a retard. I do not expound because if you read the piece everything will be self explanatory as long as you know how to think.
The Cusp,
Actually as far Marcos was “pragmatic”, he wasn’t as pragmatic as he should have been because he ultimately got kicked out for not delivering on what matters most to the entire society (which most people don’t consciously realize, but their stomachs do) — THE ECONOMY.
Marcos failed on that because his economic policy was based on taking on massive international loans which he “loaned” to his drinking and golfing buddies (his “cronies”) who ideally were supposed to develop the economy. Unfortunately, they didn’t deliver, and instead they kept creating companies that merely had paperwork and a facade, but no real operations. That explains why the first few years of Martial Law were relatively ok because right after getting those loans and passing them on to his friends, they were spending part of the money to put up their “show.” But after that, they produced nothing, produced no real profits, and the debts eventually could not be repaid to the international creditors, leading on to what became the economic crisis of the early 1980′s – leading on to Noynoy’s father’s death, further triggering the massive currency devaluation that was due to happen to the non-payment of loans in the first place.
Why did Marcos fail? Because he chose the wrong cronies. As soon as he saw that some cronies weren’t up to task, he should have immediately replaced them and reassigned more able people. But he didn’t do that. He valued loyalty and friendship more than delivering on results. Alternatively, he could have just focused his loans on developing major public physical infrastructure, then massively invited foreign investors like what Singapore did. But alas, he didn’t do that.
In the end, we have a pragmatist in Marcos who wasn’t pragmatic enough to do what had to be done in order to DELIVER THE GOODS (Real Economic Development) so that he could stay in power and thus his failure therefore meant economic crisis leading to an internal power struggle (which prompted Ninoy to come back to the Philippines to “discuss with Marcos”, but got him killed instead) and then Marcos’ ouster.
As I said, a real pragmatist would know what he needs to do in order to stay in power, and more often than not, that means DELIVERING THE GOODS.
Marcos was pragmatic, but sad to say, he was NOT PRAGMATIC ENOUGH.
Having a REAL PRAGMATIST, therefore is a good thing… Having a REAL PRAGMATIC IDEALIST would be the best thing, because such a pragmatist would not merely be content to deliver “just enough” to keep himself in power, but would, perhaps, seek to deliver spectacular results for the greater good of the majority (and that’s where the IDEALISM comes in: doing what you do not just for yourself, but also for others).
As for the ordinary people, my point is that if everyone (or at least the majority of Filipinos) learned to be pragmatic as well, then we would all demand results from our leaders – whom, if we are pragmatic enough to choose equally pragmatic leaders – would be forced to deliver on them because of the people’s results-orientation.
But alas, Pinoys are too lazy to analyze things based on results. Everyone just wants to look at intentions.
Heck, even MLQ3 is too lazy to answer my questions and wants me to scour through his blog just as he wants ordinary people to go through all the disparate piecemeal statements of each and every candidate in order to have an idea of what each candidate stands for.
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MLQ3, you’re not wiggling out of this one. What’s your stand on Noynoy?
Are you for or against him?
What are your answers to the assumptions I made about you? True or False?
Hmmmm… Now I’m curious as well, MLQ3. Can you be a bit more categorical with your position on Noynoy’s candidacy in terms of what his pitch means not just to you but to the society he aims to govern from 2010 to 2016?
If you ask Noynoy what his position is on a specific matter, do you want the same kind of answer you’ve been giving here? “Go find it among my writings…”?
To be fair, we as voters are in a position to DEMAND that our politicians serve the information to us in a structured form that makes their positions clear.
You don’t have to MLQ3 because you are a writer, not a politician answerable to voters, and your published body of work is there for all to dissect and mine for meaning.
But then there is also the option to step up and respond to these simple True-or-False questions.
hello.
seconding some previous visitors’ requests, i would like real “long view” thorough answers from you, not a noynoy style answer like
bullet points would help, if preferred.
thanks.
There’s a number of obvious, easily-expressed problems facing this country that will fall to the next president to solve, for example:
–There is a lack of peace and order.
–There are too many people who do not have enough to eat.
–There are too many people who do not have gainful employment.
–The government has an insufficient income, and that which it does have is managed poorly.
–There is widespread corruption and lack of regard for law and consistent procedures in public and private institutions at all levels.
–The population is growing at a rate beyond the abilities of the country to support them.
And so on, I could add more but let’s not belabor the point. These are enough to start, because they are all problems that the current and past administrations have failed to effectively address. Forget the head-in-the-clouds nonsense coming from the mouths of most of the candidates. Forget concepts that do not put food on tables, roofs over heads, and desks in classrooms like “clean governance” and “uniting the people” and “strengthening democracy.” Forget that all the candidates say they will address these and other problems — that’s a given, of course they will. What’s important is HOW.
The problem I see with the candidates — I think it’s a rather acute problem for Senator Aquino, but I’m not necessarily singling him out in this — is that they are ignoring the basics. They are thinking about the top three levels of Maslow’s Hierarchy, when the two larger, fundamental ones below are not yet sufficiently managed. You can’t decorate a penthouse in a building with no foundation or ground floor, no?
So then, since you are a far more articulate advocate for Senator Aquino than the candidate is himself, how does he intend to address these fundamental problems? We already know he will, he said so. So did everyone else. What, specifically, sets him apart and gives him superiority over any other candidate?
If there are no answers for those questions, then on what basis should anyone prefer him over anyone else?
As I said, I’m not singling anyone out, and I certainly realize that the same question can — and will — be posed to Senator Villar and his supporters, Mr. Teodoro and his supporters, and all the others. But you’re the Aquino man, or at least the most literate among them, so you get the call: In terms that make sense to my under-educated, working-their-butts-off-just-to-feed-themselves neighbors can understand, what will Senator Aquino do to make their lives better?
maybe mlq3 is now with villar or gibo? or perlas?
My understanding is you will be able to look at his platform when he files his candidacy papers. My understanding is other candidates intend to do likewise, too.
I’m sure that Manolo can more than adequately answer all of the challenges you’ve raised as he is The Explainer held in high regard by my friends. In fact I want to see for myself how well he responds to your questions, because when he does we will see in no unclear terms everything that a second Aquino presidency will bring.
Simply, i do not understand what you are trying to say in this article.
Can you make it more plain?
As you see, if you intending this for all Filipinos of all social, intellectual levels then you are speaking your mind in a level where only a part of the whole will be able to understand it.
A righteous man full of information (as yourself) will speak his mind not in rhetorics or analogies which only a handful can allude to but in full and specific statements that the lowliest of man will understand.
This way, they (the readers, the personalities involved, and all others) can understand what the f*** you are talking about
and can answer in specifics to only the items you have referred too and not unravel a whole shitload of crap that is not related to your topic. You as the writer will probably feel more fulfilled if this happens.
Andy, sorry, the point I wanted to make was made precisely in the manner I wanted to make it.
Nick MacYavelley and his elementary display of his latest study of a 15th century philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli below.
MLQ3,
Here are my assumptions about you:
1. You are a supporter of Noynoy. True or False?
2. You are well-informed. True or False?
3. You are intelligent. True or False?
4. You are not stupid. True or False?
5. You are not clueless. True or False?
Explain which assumptions are FALSE, Mr. Explainer.
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Nick, we are already in the 21st century and you are still trying to understand the works of a long forgotten 15th century man and hastily apply it on a very patient and credible professional writer as MLQ3.
It never works. Needless to say we are in the era of multiple choices.
Instead you can research Germany war history and straighten out its realism (compare it to your claim) rather than messing with MLQ.
“My understanding is you will be able to look at his platform when he files his candidacy papers. My understanding is other candidates intend to do likewise, too.”
So you’ve said, on more than one occasion, I believe. Fair enough. It’s my understanding that filing will occur on Saturday, so that by Monday (I understand Mr. Aquino is a regular church-goer, so we’ll cut him some slack for Sunday) we should have his (or the LP’s, which would also be ‘his’) platform. Is that an accurate interpretation? And, since the SC ruling has eliminated the ‘campaign period’, is it also a reasonable expectation that he will entertain questions about his platform?
I’m sorry but this is rather unclear to me (maybe because I’m no LOTR fan?) so I was hoping for clear key points I could tell my lolas who’ve become cynical.
Hey d0d0ng,
I don’t really get what you’re trying to say, but Machiavelli is not only not long-forgotten, but is a regular study resource for anyone with even a casual interest in politics. Along with many other writers you might consider “inappropriate” for the 21st century. You should try reading some. And include some German history while you’re at it, because Mr. MacYavelley is, despite his rather cringe-inducing nickname, reasonably accurate in his generalization.
I forgot to quote what was unclear.
“Andy, sorry, the point I wanted to make was made precisely in the manner I wanted to make it.”
That didn’t help me at all.
67xray on, “You should try reading some. And include some German history while you’re at it, because Mr. MacYavelley is, despite his rather cringe-inducing nickname, reasonably accurate in his generalization”
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Ben Kritz, you are not at all that smart as you flouted in your blog. Before you open your mouth, it would have been better if you read Nick MacYavelley posting above for his claim and screwed up Germany history.
That is big “If” in if you are that smart per your claim. You need all the luck with your “Consulting” business.
dodong = mlq3?
d0d0ng,
Where exactly is my analysis of Germany screwed up? The fact is, the Germans were hurting too much from the effects of the Treaty of Versailles, as the punishment placed on it was indeed too harsh, so much so that Germany’s economy just couldn’t take it. And as usual, crisis gets people very emotional.
While the Germans can be some of the most logical and “coldly analytical” people, they are still human beings with emotions. The effects of the crisis they experienced made it easy for their emotions to be played with. That being said, the rhetoric that Hitler then used on them very clearly resonated with their predisposition to want to hear something that would make them feel good and find a convenient scapegoat for their difficulties.
Now, if the Germans HAD NOT BEEN SUSCEPTIBLE TO EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION – so that they remained coldly skeptical and logical, then maybe they would not have been seduced by Nazi rhetoric delivered convincingly by Hitler.
If you could speak German (obviously you can’t, neither can Manolo, just look at how he didn’t know that the umlauted u {ü} should definitely be spelled as a “ue” when using a diaresis-less character set) and watch the videos of his speeches, you could actually feel his passion being extremely contagious. MLQ3 definitely needs to read up more on German history, IMHO, and sign up for a class at Goethe Institut so that he gets the basics of German down pat and refrains from trying to show-off some the non-existent German he knows.
You should too, d0d0ng.
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So, what say you, d0d0ng?
And why are you doing the fighting for Manolo anyway?
Is he too much of a sissy to come here and answer the questions he should be answering himself?
d0d0ng,
Okay genius. Teach me German history. Did Hitler manipulate German feelings towards the Versaille Treaty, the terrible economic conditions, and the unstable and ineffective Weimar government to his and the Nationalist Socialist Party’s advantage, or did he not? And if he didn’t, please explain what he did. Because what’s-his-name actually approached making that point (although not as clearly as I just did), and so far all we’ve gotten out of you are insults and a lot of hot air.
I was under the impression that Mr. Quezon tended a blog that was not routinely trolled by your sort, and I am rather disappointed to have been mistaken. Since I don’t find him disagreeable even if I disagree with him, I’ll refrain from calling you the spineless jackass you really are here, and you’re welcome to come over to my page to go a few rounds.
Nick, let me post it again.
“You screwed up Germany history by stating that Germans being impractical and unrealistic were easily seduced by Hitler. Tsk, tsk. It is completely the opposite. Germany’s economy was a total disaster following WW1 and the world demand for war reparation. Being practical and realistic, Germans embraced Nazism for Hitler’s solution to food shortage, hyperinflation and unemployment.”
Nick, you cannot come to somebody’s place and call a person names. Why don’t you try to make statements based on facts or you are just short of it and resorted to dirty personal attacks.
Or you cannot understand that I can speak an opinion which happens to be favorable to MLQ but still my own opinion wether you like it or not.
d0d0ng,
Okay, now you’re making a little more sense, but that other guy wasn’t TOTALLY off the mark, either. Read William Shirer; Hitler told the Germans exactly what they wanted to hear, and if they had listened a little more with their heads than their hearts, they would have seen through a lot of his glowing promises. And, not to completely lay them blame on them, he did actually follow through, for a while. But the Nazi economic system was a house of cards, not to mention the racial ideas, and plenty of objective observers – such as Shirer – could see it easily enough.
Still, no reason for you to be rude. I’m sure the owner of this blog is man enough to speak up for himself, if his honor has been impugned by one of his visitors.
Andy Diaz on, “Simply, i do not understand what you are trying to say in this article.”
Then this article is not for you.
Andy Diaz on, “As you see, if you intending this for all Filipinos of all social, intellectual levels then you are speaking your mind in a level where only a part of the whole will be able to understand it.”
Then obviously, you can read that it is not the intention.
Andy Diaz on, “A righteous man full of information (as yourself) will speak his mind not in rhetorics or analogies which only a handful can allude to but in full and specific statements that the lowliest of man will understand.”
Go read your bible. Jesus speaks of rhetorics or analogies in parable.
Let me borrow your “what the f*** you are talking about” to tell a person to do according to your (let me borrow again) “whole shitload of crap “.
“Still, no reason for you to be rude. I’m sure the owner of this blog is man enough to speak up for himself, if his honor has been impugned by one of his visitors.”
You are barking at the wrong tree. Please read again all the postings above and see who is rude.
Actually, MLQ3 has nothing to prove to you. But then from a person who announced his profile “Too smart for my own damn good”, you have personality issues of proving yourself. That is really bad especially if you are in consulting.
d0d0ng,
Look at what you said:
“Germany’s economy was a total disaster following WW1 and the world demand for war reparation. Being practical and realistic, Germans embraced Nazism for Hitler’s solution to food shortage, hyperinflation and unemployment.â€
Everything there except for one part is wrong. You were right – and saying the exact same thing I said when you said:
1. Germany’s economy was a total disaster following WW1 (I said that way up there, you’re just mouthing it again)
2. …and the world demand for war reparation – I said that again when I mentioned the Treaty of Versailles imposing much on the German economy. So what the f*ck is your problem? You’re saying the exact same things I was saying.
The problem started when you said:
“Being practical and realistic, Germans embraced Nazism for Hitler’s solution to food shortage, hyperinflation and unemployment.â€
That’s where you totally went off the wrong route, d0d0 *este* d0d0ng.
I did say that the Germans are normally logical and analytical people – which of course means they’d normally be practical and realistic. But the Germans did not embrace Nazism because they felt that Hitler’s solution to food shortage, hyperinflation and unemployment was practical and realistic.
Instead, if you or MLQ3 were intelligent enough and able to analyze history (or human nature) properly, the both of you would know that:
1. Major crisis (economic or otherwise) can breed emotionalism because people become extremely desperate and cling to anything that can give them hope or alleviate their despair, sadness, and depression.
2. Demagogues can feed on the emotional fragility of the ordinary people in times of crisis to seduce them with rhetoric that makes them feel good and puts the responsibility for all the bad that happens to them to an external source or to a source within their population that is increasingly isolated from the mainstream and misrepresented as being outsiders.
3. Extreme Emotionalism IS NOT practical nor realistic because extreme emotionalism IS NOT LOGICAL nor RATIONAL. Remember, d0d0ng – as well as you MLQ3 – that when a demagogue MAKES APPEALS TO EMOTION and when people BUY IT (subscribe to the emotionally-charged ideological preaching), they cease to be practical and realistic because their emotionalism strips them of their ability to think logically and rationally.
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This is why you – d0d0ng and MLQ3 – have a very mistaken view of German History. You very erroneously and stupidly try to misrepresent the Weimar Crisis-era Germans as being “practical and realistic which is why they embraced Nazism.
Who taught you what you know of history, d0d0ng? Did MLQ3 teach you that crap?
Germans embraced Nazism because they were feeling low & depressed and then came Hitler preaching a very FEEL GOOD Ideology that told the Germans that they had to be proud of who they were because they were “special people” and that the only reason that they were suffering a crisis was because of the scheming manipulations done by an international network of Jews outside & INSIDE Germany.
67xray has given you the name of the author of an extremely authoritative book: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich – a copy of which, by the way, was found in Ferdinand Marcos’ bedroom the night he fled Malacañang.
Read it and learn your lessons anew. And please tell your teacher MLQ3 the new lessons you’ve learned.
There was nothing pragmatic/practical, realistic, logical, or rational causing the Germans to embrace Nazism. It was precisely because they dropped all reason and logic (and thus dropped pragmatism/realism) because they were emotionally-manipulated by Hitler’s rhetoric which made them feel good about themselves at a time when the Financial Crisis, hyperinflation, lack of jobs, food shortage, caused them to have self-doubt, depression, sadness, anomie, low self-esteem, and so many other negative feelings.
You really are MLQ3′s disciple, huh?
Very faithful and dedicated to your master. I admire your dedication.
I noticed the note that someone made up there identifying you as MLQ3, and you know, it makes sense…
You only do seem to pop out of nowhere whenever MLQ3 is hopelessly unable to defend his views, especially when real intellectuals far more informed and more logical than he is totally tear his views apart.
Anyway d0d0ng, maybe you are MLQ3, maybe you’re not.
But you know, we’re all waiting for MLQ3 to be man enough to answer the questions himself instead of smugly pretending that he has more important things to do.
MLQ3, like it or not, has a following because of his name. Unfortunately, his hogwash harms the Philippines because he misleads a lot of the ordinary not-so-well-read people to take on the wrong ideas and the wrong advocacies.
Take his pro-Noynoy stand, for instance. Everyone who uses his/her brain knows that Noynoy is going to be a lousy leader. Everyone with half a brain knows that Noynoy is going to be a puppet of the old oligarchy, especially of the Lopezes and other old rich hacendero families just like his Cojuangco clan. Everyone who knows a thing or two knows that Noynoy is nothing but a “status-quo” keep-the-people-poor kind of guy. And even Noynoy’s supporters know that Noynoy does not have Ninoy’s eloquence nor intelligence, nor does Noynoy have his mother’s charm and charisma.
Noynoy, just like MLQ3, just happens to have a name.
Pareho pa silang THE THIRD!
Benigno S. Aquino III
Manuel L. Quezon III
But in fairness to MLQ3, at least MLQ3 is very well read, and very articulate. Marunong mag-explain and *well* MAMBOLA too. But Noynoy? He is utterly tongue-tied! Di makasalita ng tama. Laging bulol!
So d0d0ng, please get your master, MLQ3 to answer the question which I pose to him here:
MLQ3, knowing that you are intelligent and well-informed, why are you an advocate of Noynoy Aquino who is known to be an underachiever, and uninspiring leader, someone who has never really been a leader, a person who can’t make decisions properly, and person who doesn’t really read a lot because he knows so little?
Is there something you know, MLQ3, that we don’t know? Please tell us what that is that we don’t know.
Because it is clear that the Philippines, under Noynoy, will be a disaster, and you will be blamed as one of those who KNEW THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO DELIVER but actively propped him up as the “nation’s hope” and sold him to the public as the SAVIOR of the Philippines ANYWAY.
I can tell they’re the same person by the display their individual thought processes progressing in like manner despite d0d0ng being shown as hostile unlike MLQ3′s usual self.
If this isn’t true then MLQ3 himself should be able to carry on with this debate without a certain “d0d0ng” creating a diversion.
After all, some people have expressed confidence in MLQ3 to be able to stand up for himself.
If this gets deleted, I’ll know the answer.
If d0d0ng tries to butt in again, it’ll give more weight to my observation.
If MLQ3 does take on each of the questions posed head-on, then he’ll secure his credibility a while longer.
i’d really like to hear manolo’s clarifications and insights so anybody else answering for him does him no good.it’s a very reasonable request.
jen, no offense but you seem to have been talking to the hand since last night. better rethink your misguided admiration if you don’t get a reply soon. i’d be disappointed too if i were conveniently ignored.
i’m beginnng to think noynoy isn’t really the opportunist in this scenario. it is those in his inner circle who are pushing him to run who are really looking to take advantage. this is actually one of my fears — that noynoy will just be a puppet.
considering his performance in the isang tanong forum, the more i think noynoy is not up to the task of leading others. of course my view of him may still change but only if he’d give me a chance to know what his plans are.
as for prominent people putting in a good word for noynoy, i feel that those who have great influence should be more circumspect in what they say about the senator. the least they could do is guide people and encourage them to choose their leaders well using their brains and not just their gut feel.
see, these are the false assumptions and conclusions i object to. you’re free to read what i’ve written and what i’ll be writing, just as i’m free not to play by your rigged rules.
Intellectual Hypocrites!!! You can not get the Results you expect to be without the people’s support. We don’t need eloquent, impressive speakers for President. We badly needed change that’s why we need a President who can be a Catalyst of CHANGE, one who can bring back DECENCY in the government, one who can act as a beacon light of HOPE and INSPIRATION, one who can serve as the rallying point for the people’s renewed TRUST and FAITH in the Government. These are what we and MLQ3 see in Noynoy Presidency for it is then and only then can we say that we can truly move forward to attain the results Mr. Macyavelley is yearning to see. We don’t need SOBRANG GALING at TALINO, SOBRANG SIPAG at TIYAGA at SOBRANG MAKAMAERAP.Tama na sa amin ANG MAKADIYOS AT MAKATAO, if that is romanticism to you. You can’t question our preference!!!
engr. jojo,
how sure are you noynoy is “the president who can be a Catalyst of CHANGE, one who can bring back DECENCY in the government, one who can act as a beacon light of HOPE and INSPIRATION, one who can serve as the rallying point for the people’s renewed TRUST and FAITH in the Government?”
please enlighten us.
intellectual hypocrites? are you saying voters who demand more from candidates because they are not easily convinced by platitudes, slogans and dramatic events are being hypocritical? i thought that is just being wise.
I’m disappointed by the responses posted by Manolo. I had so much expectation but the way this thread went, as with every other pro-Noynoy site that got its assertions challenged, the pro-Noynoy side always came up short both in substance or in adequately debating with people who disagree. I couldn’t join the conversation because even my smarter friends got stumped themselves.
Manolo, you had a real chance at showing everybody how much you deserve the credit everyone gives you as The Explainer, myself included, but you chose to let it slip like that. Never mind what your grandfather said; I had faith in what YOU could impart to all of us, because maybe your ability to communicate would make everything about Noynoy clear, and prove that we supporters of Noynoy don’t have our beliefs misplaced.
I’m really disappointed. This makes me doubt a lot of things about what’s been said about Noynoy everywhere.
Engr. Jojo, perhaps they’re not intellectual hypocrites after all. If they’re going to help people like me pick the best choices in next year’s elections, I’m listening to them from now on. Let’s admit it, even we don’t have all the answers.
I’m sorry to disappoint you, Jen. But I’m not about to play in the sandbox prepared by the others. However if you’d like a frank dialogue, by all means, please pose your questions and I’ll do my best to answer you, specifically.
MLQ3,
Why don’t you just admit that you’re totally stumped because you’ve painted yourself into a corner.
No one rigged anything, Manolo. You are the one that acts as Noynoy’s supporter, but when I and others ask you to substantiate your reasons for choosing a loser and uninspiring person to act as leader, you fold and use your sock-puppet d0d0ng to do your dirty work.
You’ve fooled people like this Jojo clown who – like stupid and totally clueless people – are like mice and lemmings led by the Pied Piper (YOU) to fall off the cliff.
Now answer the f*cking questions, Manolo!
By the way, guests like myself can’t rig the sandbox YOU OWN. This is your turf. By all means, spread your wings, Manolo. Prove us wrong.
Answer the f*cking questions!
nick, ask me person to person and not as a snarky s.ob. and maybe i will. otherwise, you’re free to express yourself but i’m free not to engage you when you demand a handshake after spitting on the palm of your hand.
Ok, MLQ3, fair enough. I am an S.O.B. because you were being unfairly evasive and did not answer simple questions.
Alright, I won’t heap insults on you any further…
MLQ3,
I’ve washed my hands, I’ve bathed, I’ve put hand sanitizer alcogel on my hands, and they’re now clean.
I haven’t spit on them, and now that I got your attention (and everyone’s been waiting for you to give them an answer), I very very respectfully…
ask you…
…to answer
…my question:
“Manuel L. Quezon III, it is obvious that the Philippines needs – at its helm – a leader who knows what he needs to do and knows how to do what he needs to do. Given that Noynoy Aquino is quite obviously not the type of leader who knows what he needs to do, neither does he know how to do what he needs to do…
…Why are you supporting his candidacy?
Can you explain to all of us how Noynoy Aquino will be able to be a good leader who will deliver on the most necessary and most important aspect of the country: Improving its Economy in order to alleviate the massive poverty that pervades?
Maybe you know something we all don’t know. So please enlighten us, MLQ3.
I respectfully ask this of you, because Noynoy himself is unable to do so at all (he can’t explain why he’s the best choice) and since you support his candidacy and happen to be one of the most vocal – and most articulate – of his supporters, the task falls on you to explain it.
I humbly and respectfully ask you to answer the questions that I and many others have raised regarding the Noynoy issue, and please refrain from avoid answering the questions by dismissing them with “the assumptions are wrong.”
Mr. Quezon, in case you would wish to use that as your reason for refusing to answer the questions asked of you, you should at the very least explain to us why you think the “assumptions are wrong.”
Yours truly,
Nick MacYavelley
Genius, History Buff, Theoretician”
kay mr. president manny villar, tiyak tayo na hindi ang mga nasa likoran (hal. sumusuporta na may mga personal interest)ang magpapatakbo ng gobyerno… makatwid siya ay HINDI PANG “FRONTPAGE ” lamang . o di kaya ay may ilang gumagamit lamang ng kanyang kasikatan (mga nagbabakasakali na manalo). at HGIT SA LAHAT SIAY AY PURONG TBONG PILIPINAS!(PURE FILIPINO, KAYA PURE MAKA-PILIPINO)
VILLAR SEGURADO TAYO NA MAKA-PURE FILIPINO( KATUTUBO NG MGA PULONG PILIPINAS)
so vote wisely !… VILLAR FOR KATUTUBONG FILIPINOS’S PRESIDENT !!!
kay mr. president manny villar, tiyak tayo na hindi ang mga nasa likoran (hal. sumusuporta na may mga personal interest)ang magpapatakbo ng gobyerno… makatwid siya ay HINDI PANG “FRONTPAGE ” lamang . o di kaya ay may ilang gumagamit lamang ng kanyang kasikatan (mga nagbabakasakali na manalo). DAHIL TIYAK TAYO NA MAY SARILI SIYANG SAPAT NA KAKAYAHAN NA MAMUNO! at HGIT SA LAHAT SIYA AY PURONG TUBONG PILIPINAS!(PURE FILIPINO, KAYA PURE MAKA-PILIPINO)
SARILING ATIN ANG DAPAT UNAHING PAGYAMANIN AT PAUNLARIN , BAGO ANG SA MGA DAYUHAN LAMANG SA ATIN!!! BE A TRUE NACIONALISTA!!!
KATUTUBO NG BANSANG ITO ANG SIYANG DAPAT NA UNANG PAUNLARIN !!!
SIPAG AT TIYAG WALANG IMPOSIBLE!!!
so vote wisely !…
marc,
ano muna plano ni villar? ano ang mga specifics ng kanyang sipag at tiyaga campaign?
siyanga pala may napansin ako sa isa niyang political ad na hindi ko nagustuhan. may isang karakter doon na nagsabi ng linyang halos ganito “mapalad sila kasi ipinanganak silang mayaman.” hindi yun ang eksakto pero yun ang mensahe.
hindi ako sangayon dito. ganyan ba ang mensaheng ipapakalat ni villar. parang hindi tama dahil bago pa man ang sipag ang tiyaga mas mahalaga ang pagkakaroon ng tamang “mindset.” ang linyang nabanggit ko sa taas ay maling “mindset.” kung tutuusin ganyan nga ang mindset ng maraming mahihirap ngayon.
alam naman natin na isinama ang linyang iyon sa kanyang ad para patamaan ang ibang mga kandidato partikular marahil si gilbert teodoro. ganunpaman hindi ako sangayon sa ganyang estilo. sa paggamit niya ng naturang linya sa kanyang ad para na rin niyang pinalalawig ang maling pagiisip na isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit hindi umaasenso ang mga mahihirap.
Engineer Jonathan Francisco,
(I have seen your website, so I know who you are)
You really are a piece of intellectually challenged work, aren’t you?
When you said that:
1. “We don’t need eloquent, impressive speakers for President.”
2. We don’t need SOBRANG GALING at TALINO, SOBRANG SIPAG at TIYAGA at SOBRANG MAKAMAERAP”
…do you realize that you basically admit that:
1. Noynoy is not ELOQUENT
2. Noynoy is not an IMPRESSIVE SPEAKER
3. Noynoy is not VERY COMPETENT (sobrang galing)
4. Noynoy is not VERY INTELLIGENT (sobrang talino)
5. Noynoy is not VERY HARD WORKING (sobrang sipag)
6. Noynoy is not VERY DILIGENT (tiyaga)
(what is “MAKAMAERAP?” – that doesn’t exist as a word)
But guess what, since you loudly proclaim and admit to the world that Noynoy is none of the above and is merely:
1. Religious – Makadiyos
2. Pro-people – Makatayo
the question is HOW WILL NOYNOY translate his religiosity and so-called “pro-people” stand into something tangible that benefits the Filipino People and the Philippines as a whole?
HOW, Engineer Jojo?
Are you really an Engineer? Because if you really are an Engineer, then you should think about the HOW, and not just the “what does he say” question.
HOW and WHY are questions that Engineers preoccupy themselves with, and since you have no interest in those questions, then it is clear that you are a sub-standard “engineer.” You only care about platitudes, and nothing about TANGIBLE RESULTS.
Guess what, Engineer Jonathan Francisco…
It is because of people like you who don’t care about tangible results that you choose losers like Noynoy to lead the country that causes the country to be a major FAILURE.
We all want a country that moves forward and succeeds.
The question is HOW. And your lack of interest in asking the question HOW or finding answers to the question HOW is why Philippine Society is the way it is.
You said so yourself, Jojo. You admitted yourself that Noynoy is incompetent, unintelligent, not hardworking, not diligent, and you admit that he cannot express his vision for a better philippines clearly enough. (don’t deny it, Jojo, you painted yourself into a corner!)
So Noynoy can’t answer the question on HOW to make the country better, but even “WHAT HIS VISION FOR A BETTER PHILIPPINES” itself is unclear because he can’t even express it properly – BULOL siya! so what the hell is your real reason for supporting Noynoy?
Admit it: You have no reason. Everything is just about emotionalism and sentimentality.
Everything that keeps you rooting for Noynoy is all WISHFUL THINKING.
It’s a fantasy, Jojo, and while it feels good to “fantasize”, without a clear vision of what a better Philippines should look like and without a HOW-TO-GET-THERE plan on how to achieve that vision, Noynoy will win the election, but fail to deliver.
In the end, even you will be disappointed and miserable.
And you will be bowing your heads in shame in front of those of us who said “TOLD YOU SO.”
Noynoy = Empty Promises = Disappointment = Failure to Deliver
Noynoy = A Lousy Philippines
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If you disagree, please say why, Jojo.
(And MLQ3, if you want, please help Jojo answer. Share your point of view…)
Well the LP platform is out now. So the question is “What’s next?”
Meanwhile many who have come on board with a better appreciation of the role platforms play in an election are now sharpening their pencils for the task ahead – evaluating this platform and framing future engagement with Noynoy and Mar with it.
The question is, will Noynoy be a good party member — and good presidential candidate — and run with his party platform?
What do you think MLQ3? Or do you think I have spit on my hand as well?
Read again. That’s not the LP platform. That’s the platform of Noynoy’s campaign, specifically -the plan of government. The distinction is important because LP is only part of the broader coalition supporting his campaign. I think engaging on the platform will be healthy and he was the first candidate to publicize his platform.
Wow, this is all too funny. People of the world, it is all very simple. We all have our preferred candidates. There is no need to impose your standards/beliefs on others. If you think Noynoy is not fit to be president, then DO NOT vote for him. Why waste your time arguing with people who feel otherwise. I really find it funny that you have to scrutinize every single bit that Noynoy is or does. Who are you guys voting for anyway?
I am personally supporting Noynoy because i see him as a man of integrity and honesty. Isang taong alam kong hindi magnanakaw at gagawa ng katiwalian. Am i sure of that? No. Is it enough for him to be president? Of course not. Is he really up to the task? Is Villar up to the task? How about Gibo? Is there an end to this discussion?
Let me ask you this. Is there one single person out there who is perfect for the presidency? Can one ever be ready to become president? I really don’t think so. Not Cory, not Old Man Ed, not Gloria, certainly not Erap.
Engr. Jojo is right, we need someone who can inspire us and be the hope that we all have been longing for. Noynoy is that person for me. Did you see him on prime time news last night? Is he really that dumb?
Now, if you see it in Villar, Gibo, Jamby, Ely Pamatong or that chicken tuktulaok guy, then by all means vote for them. It is that simple, Again, no need to put down MLQ3 or Noynoy for that matter. We are, after all, thinking individuals who have different standards. Different strokes for different folks, folks.
neign0, sorry, forgot you’re in Australia,
here’s platform:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23268483/Noynoy-Aquino-Platform-of-Government
here’s common credo adopted as unifying principles by all candidates affiliated with ticket:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23268556/Our-Common-Credo
i’m definitely confused as to the LOTR references above. why noynoy as frodo? is he really.
i saw the movies, havent read the books… is there anything in the books that makes the connection, er, more obvious?
this letter might help, gabby
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/letterstotheeditor/view/20091127-238642/Battle-between-Good-and-Evil
sadly, it doesnt.
i have a few straightforward questions.
1)is noynoy frodo? why is noynoy frodo? do u agree that he is frodo? why not someone else?
2) “confusing the righteousness of a cause with the pride of self-righteousness.”
in the 2010 elections, who is being self-righteous? why/how are they being self-righteous?
3) “for at the heart of hope is the humility to give all a chance to help fight Evil without sneering at motives.”
this is perhaps most confusing. in the movies, whose motives were being pegged as wrong? gollum WAS a crook. he was a USEFUL crook, but he betrayed them later.
as i remember, the issue wasnt sneering at motives. the ring corrupted anyone who held it. everyone agreed that the hobbit was the best to hold it.
turning to the elections, assuming that what u wrote is true, are you saying that redemption is a good criteria to elect someone to office?
thanks. i am extremely confused — none of this makes SENSE. its not even that we have different opinions, or points of view. the LOGIC isnt very clear.
gian,
it really is funny that you’re imposing your belief that engr. jojo is right. as far as i’m concerned, discussions such as this do serve a higher purpose and that is to get all possible points of view. it is also perfect that the discussion is happening here in mlq3′s popular blog because anyone who happens to pass by here would be able to read all the points that have been raised. consider this a form of voters education.
i think you should try to see the value here. i think you’d agree that a lot of voters including those among the educated do not really think first before deciding whom to vote. they just follow the herd, mindlessly.
again, just consider this a form of voters’ education.
GabbyD,
It’s really confusing, if you think about it. MLQ3 really needs to answer a lot of questions – and so far he’s been avoiding my questions.
While Gollum is supposed to be a villain/crook in the story, he was instrumental in destroying the ring, even if he betrayed them. And you could say that Frodo was – at the last moment – going to be the showstopper too. Frodo was – at the 11th hour – seduced by the ring, and almost did not destroy it when he decided to keep it for himself. Were it not for Gollum’s selfishness in wanting the ring for himself, so much so that he decided to grab it from Frodo by BITING OFF Frodo’s finger that had the ring (when Frodo decided that he wanted to keep the ring for himself).
The point is that even “evil” Gollum served a purpose in achieving the mission of destroying the ring – and that “good” Frodo was – at several points, including the very last point before destroying the ring – the showstopper.
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MLQ3,
As you can see, there has been no spit on my hand at all, and I think it’s time you kept your end of the deal.
Will you please answer the questions I’ve been asking you over and over again which several others have reiterated?
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/letterstotheeditor/view/20091127-238642/Battle-between-Good-and-Evil
The letter is written in mlq3′s writing style. obvious naman eh. it’s masturbatory.
self-praise, kumbaga. mlq3 was torn to shreds on his own blog kaya na-pwersa syang magsulat ng self-praise letter-to-the editor tapos gagamit siya ng pangalan ng iba. just look at this guy descending to the depths of moral deceit. he even blows his own horn on his blog. siya mismo ang nagpost ng kanyang sariling jakoletter dito tapos ipapalabas niya na may ibang taong nagsend nun sa inquirer.
gabby, the article is in the context of alliance-building in elections. of coalition-building. any candidate will have so-called originals who supported the candidate ahead of everyone else and when a candidate is succseful in courting support, the tendency is for the originals to get upset. this is particularly true when there is an idealistic character to the candidacy, and it begins as an uphill struggle but as things move on other join and the originals end up filled with suspicion. the suspicion is often anchored on the belief that only the originals have a pure and unadulterated understanding and commitment to the cause. yet the point of a campaign is to broaden support and seek out supporters, allies, and enlarge a coalition, it’s basic otherwise if you were to restrict things to what you started with there is no sense in either courting public support or seeking to enlarge a coalition without which success either at the polls or subsequently, in governing, would be possible.
so many anonymous characters peddling the same conspiracy theory, you’d think they’re all multiple personalities spun off from so-called nick.
when you guys sort it all out and stop your games maybe it will be productive to talk.
Manolo,
I’ve moved on from all that, now that d0d0ng stopped showing up here so as not to implicate you.
My focus now is on getting you to please answer the question(s) which you have continued to avoid.
Please answer the question(s), Manolo. (All that have been asked by everyone)
By the way, I did a google search with the following keywords:
“Noynoy”; “LP Platform”; “Manolo;”
Among the first few results, this link came up:
http://badmannersgunclub.blogspot.com/2009/11/heres-platform-but-no-ones-standing-on.html
Apparently, the owner of the blog mentioned you…
“One would think that a commentator with the reputation of Manolo Quezon III would be able to skillfully promote and defend his advocacy, given some ammunition like this (and he does know it exists, since he has mentioned it a couple times); instead he, like the rest of Aquino’s hysterical “yellow armyâ€, chooses to attempt to make his case through things like obtuse and water-headed parallels to decades-old fantasy literature involving elves, and then hides behind a nickname to descend into ad hominem playground-level carping when respondents call him on his b.s., and actually asks him in plain terms to “explain†(something he claims to be good at) what Aquino plans to do to be a good president. The Long View, indeed; maybe he’d accomplish something if he’d shorten that view to something a little more practical. Unless, of course, it is his actual intention to lower public debate to moronic levels, in which case he’s doing a pretty good job; on reflection, that might not be that surprising, coming from the grandson of a man for whom a Philippines that was ‘run like hell’ seemed like a viable option.”
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How plead you, Manolo?
Guilty as charged?
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Here’s your chance to give us an answer and EXPLAIN your side.
Shouldn’t be difficult. You’re “The Explainer”, are you not?
@betterphilippines
Who me? Impose? I agreed with Engr. Jojo, not impose. There is a big difference. My message is simple. You do not like the guy, don’t vote for him. Besides, don’t you think it’s the height of arrogance when one assumes that people “mindlessly” follow the herd? Seriously, how can you make that assumption and speak for these “bandwagoneers?” Have you ever been one? A lemming? Sorry BP but you do not have a monopoly of good judgement. I am sure people have reasons why they support a certain candidate no matter how shallow they may seem to you. Man, you got to give more credit. What, Noynoy has blind followers and all the rest don’t?
Voter education? Perhaps. But look at all the other offensive and demeaning remarks on here? Are you educated by it? I think not.
Lastly, and i hope you will indulge me, who exactly are you supporting come May 2010?
Hey Nick, may i ask you why you think Noynoy is so bad that he will fail at being president? I think before anyone answers your own questions, you too should be able to explain to us why you think Noynoy is this and that. Can you give us specific examples? Who do you think is the best candidate out there?
NICK MAC YAVELLEY:
In my opinion your psychotic and opportunist and much more MAFIh MUK! Your hiding your identity a………….h……….e
gian,
of course all candidates have blind followers. and, yes, if you must know when i was younger i did vote based only on who’s popular. i’m guessing a lot of young people today would probably vote the same way.
also, i’m sorry to disappoint you but i’m still looking. no candidate yet for me.
btw, who said anything about a monopoly of good judgment? i know i didn’t.
i’m just wondering if you’re aware of the irony in the fact that while noynoy’s handlers keep on presenting him as a candidate for change his rabid supporters keep on peddling the idea that noynoy’s “good character” is enough reason to pick him. now ain’t that what most filipino voters have been doing for the longest time? don’t you think that approach needs to be changed?
if we want the coming elections to usher in change then why don’t we start by changing how we choose our leaders.
btw, if only noynoy were more results-oriented i’d probably consider him.
Sorry guys, I’ve been trying to reply to Nick’s comments on me, Noynoy and MLQ3 but my replies didn’t get a space here since yesterday. In fact, I made three attempts already, so this is a test post, if it finds a space here, I will make another try.
To Nick Macwhataf*k:
Good that you labored to look at what you called my website, actually I don’t have webpage of my own, I only have an account at Facebook. Good for you to have dug deep into my personal profile, at least you know now that I am not as COWARD as you are conveniently hiding under the nick of YOUR idol NICOLO MACHIAVELLI – A MACHOCHIST-NARCISIST, Egoistic and buff-headed intellectual like you and the likes of Hitler, Bonaparte, Marcos, etc. Sorry but your Machiavellian Concept, be it the “Prince” or “Discourse” models just doesn’t work on the Filipino mindset where VALUES play prominent role in their decision on leadership preference.
Your arrogance had blown out of proportion when you put your words into my mouth. I DID NOT SAY that Noynoy is incompetent, unintelligent, not hardworking, not diligent and that can not express his vision for a better Philippines clearly enough. Otherwise, I won’t be supporting him also. What I DID SAY was my abjuration on anything that is “SOBRA” or Excessive Abilities and Capabilities of politicians because I dreaded their tendencies to resurrect, reincarnate the likes of Bonaparte, Hitler, Mussolini and our very own Apo Ferdie and/or replicate the likes of GMA.
I am not espousing mediocirty here but moderate ability and moderate thinking and doing things do more good than bad. Moderately intelligent leaders in the past proved to good leaders of their people. Moses was “BULOL” that he had to employ his brother Aaron to speak for him, but he was able to liberate his people from the bondage of Egypt. Solomon, in spite of having a Royal Bloodline had to implore God’s Wisdom because he didn’t have much of it, ruled his kingdom to prominence and greatness. Simon Peter was unlettered but later on became one of the pillars of the Christian Church. Noynoy Aquino has enough abilities and capabilities, complemented by his virtues of MAKATAO and MAKADIYOS, he will surely be the best leader to inspire people and to effect the long sought transformational CHANGE. He speaks his heart out with all sincerity, but most of all, his MODESTY, HUMILITY, HONESTY and INTEGRITY earned him the adoration of the great multitude of more that 50% of Filipinos who gravitated towards his leadership and hopefully after the election, more will follow suit. This is the most important thing TRUST of the People so that the desired tangible results for a better Philippines can be achieved. Noynoy need not go into specifics and details, in any undertakings, the first things to do is see to it that the 5s are instituted before laying out the foundation for a favorable environment for development.
Among the present circle of winnable presidential aspirants, Gibo Teodoro maybe qualified but SECOND ONLY TO NOYNOY. THIS IS NOT FANTASY, NOT EMOTIONALISM, THIS IS NOT SENTIMENTALITY, THIS IS INTUITION. You do not have the monopoly of good judgment, so DO NOT LECTURE us on our leadership preference. Your Noynoy Presidency DOOMSDAY scenario and your equation is a product of A SICK MIND and VALUELESS CHARACTER.
You are questiong my being an Engineer. How dare you? I was a one-time BOARD PASSER sans formal review and almost landed in the top 10 among thousands of examinees. Who are you to lecture me on the HOWs and WHYs and Tangible Results? We Engineers based our designs and decisions on Natural Laws, the basic foundation of all Laws. We worked on SMART Plans and Designs providing Details and Specifications. Politicians work
on Rhetorical Speeches, Dreams and Visions, and these are usually articulated into non-technical plans so that if they are not materialized and implemented, will just remain dreams and visions. The Presidency is not just Speeches, Rhetorics, Dreams and Vision, it is about Management and Leadership. Managerial Skills can be acquired but INNATE LEADERSHIP CHARACTER can not be. We see this Innate Leadership Character in Noynoy and you can disagree to the max until smoke will be going out of your ears, I wouldn’t care less.
You are asking what the hell is my reason for supporting Noynoy? Well I don’t swear by hell, but simply put, these are my reasons:
1. He is Intelligent ENOUGH
2. He is Diligent and Hardworking ENOUGH
3. He is VERY Sincere, Honest, Humble, and God-fearing
4. He is VERY Clean and Untainted with Corruption
5. He Advocated Accountability, Transparency & Good Governance
6. He Knows How to Listen & Advocate of Participatory Democracy
7. He has a VERY good Breeding
8. He has No Political Debt
9. He has No First Lady to Appeased with
10. He is A WINNER
This is my own reply to you without the help of anybody not even MLQ3. You underestimated me, you think I can not stand where I stood.
NARARAPAT LANG NA DI KA PINAPANSIN NI MLQ3 KASI DADA KA NG DADA WALA KA NAMANG ALTERNATIBONG BINIBIGAY, YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH UP. Pray tell us FROM WHOSE PAYROLL ARE YOU DERIVING YOUR BOUNTY BEING A POLITICAL MERCENARY OR AN ENVELOPMENTAL JOURNALIST. Dahil ako GRATIS, VOLUNTARY and even spending my own money to advance the cause of Noynoy.
HUWAG KANG MAGTAGO SA ALYAS MO!!!
Have you ever been on a blind date and then get asked later by your friends if your date was pretty?
The above stuff you wrote about Noynoy at best is the equivalent of that safe answer “Hindi naman panget.” (which we all know means only one thing…).
At worst it still begs the question of the bases for making the above assertions — specially the last two ones:
“9. He has No First Lady to Appeased with”
“10. He is A WINNER”
Let me ask you what exactly about these two leads one to the conclusion that he will govern the Philippines well enough from 2010 to 2016?
How about Noynoy supporters come up with some convincing evidence that Noynoy can:
- kick serious rebel/insurgent/bandit arse in Mindanao;
- kick serious diplomatic arse overseas when negotiating for Philippine economic/security interests;
- kick serious cabinet secretary arse to make sure he shows them who’s boss CONSISTENTLY over his 6-year term.
- kick serious Congressional arse to ensure that he is able to get stuff he wants to implement passed in the legislature;
- kick serious arse when addressing various sectors in Pinoy society to ensure they do not bicker amongst one another.
No amount of good breeding, good intentions, and good altar boy practices will provide any conclusive evidence that Noynoy can do even just one of the above.
There are only four reasons why I will vote for Noynoy;
First, I hate GMA and everyone in her evil court.
Second, I love Tita Cory and Ninoy
Third, No other candidates with a popularity of 13 points and above that better than Noynoy in terms of honesty, integrity and sincerity.
Why only those with 13 points and above? Only they have the chance of winning. Why would I even entertain those who would just waste my vote? Those who can not win should not even consider themselves candidates because candidacy implies chance of winning.
In order for one to convince me to reconsider my vote for Noynoy, he/she has to hurdle all the points I raised above.
Would someone come to me and in my face tell me that there is nothing to be hated about GMA? or that Cory and Ninoy should not be loved? Or Erap and Villar is better than Noynoy in terms of honesty, integrity and sincerity?
I don’t think anyone would….
I will not vote for EVIL. E-erap VIL-Villar. No. Never.
I will never vote for Erap. No. Never. He is a convicted plunderer and admits he has a lot of women in his life. Kung pamilya niya binaboy niya, paano pa tayo na di naman niya kilala? He is also a proven drunkard and gambler. Tataya ba tayo sa taong baka ang kaban ng bayan ay itaya niya sa kanyang bisyo at pagsusugal?
I will never vote for Villar. No. Never. He has already spent Billions of pesos even before the campaign period has started. He claims he is a very good businessman. So how will he able to recoup his investment? I will not vote for Villar because he is an extremely dishonest person. You will find this out even by just listening to his infomercials. His commercials profess that he is NOT what in reality he REALLY is. How could you believe that he is not TRAPO? If he is not TRAPO, nobody else is. In his bid to fool the people, Villar is bombarding us with commercials that are false, irrational and out of context. How can we expect good governance from this guy?
I will never vote for Villar. No. Never. Simply because of questions on his integrity and honesty. There are issues raised against him in the senate but he denied himself of a chance for vindication when he refused to answer the accusations in the halls of the senate. I think the best gauged or measure of one’s integrity should come from the candidates’ vice president themselves specially at a time when the tandem has not yet been formed. Mar Roxas has nothing but high praises for Noynoy to the point of sacrificing his own presidential ambition for him. Can we say the same thing about Loren and Villar? If there was anything that Loren sacrificed in her tandem with Villar was her own credibility and palabra de honor, as she shared bed with the same evil man he exposed some few months back.
I will vote for Noynoy because I simply can not trust EVIL, or E-rap and VIL-villar.
If you will ask me, can Noynoy fight insurgency? Of course, he could. Remember that there are still insurgents’ bullets embedded in different parts of his body. This only shows he could face anyone of those insurgents by the mere fact that facing them almost cost his life.
Can Noynoy fight graft and corruption? Of course he could. He has the moral ascendancy. He can lead by example.
Can he set moral standards for all public officials? Of course he could. His father gave up his life for our freedom and his mother devoted all her life in service to God and people. I don’t think Noynoy will tarnish the good names of his parents for any consideration.
Can he encourage investment? Yes of course. A transparent governance attracts investments.
Can he kick the ass of corrupt officials? Of course, he could. Tell me how an honest man can not ask a dishonest man to take a walk.
THere are a lot of things that a President can achieve but all of these start with his honesty, integrity and sincerity.
Can Noynoy set up a sound economic policy? Of course, he could. He is an honest economist?
Can Noynoy reform our judicial system? Of course he could, being a victim of injustice himself.
Can he formulate a foreign policy that is advantageous for the country. Of course, he could. His parents are considered heroes and inspiration the world over. There is absolutely no reason why he can not exact respect and favors from other governments.
Can Noynoy change this country? Of course only he could. He has the most number of people supporting him.
These are the fourth reasons why I will cast my vote for him.
Hustisya,
You’re just as clueless as that idiot Jonathan Francisco who calls himself an “Engineer.” …Engineer sa Miss Saigon – in other words, BUGAW, maybe.
Wishful thinking does not make it so, Hustisya. There is no proof to any of the things you say about Noynoy.
Besides, why is it that whenever Noynoy is being scrutinized, so many of you idiots automatically blurt out “we hate Villar” as your predetermined response?
What makes you jack-asses think that “Villar” is automatically the one and only other choice out there. Erap? He’s obviously out (and we all know he’s as stupid as all those Noynoy supporters combined).
But why Villar? What makes so many of you brainless imbeciles think that anyone who attacks Noynoy is necessarily pro-Villar?
It’s like if someone says “no to yellow”, you immediately think that person wants red. Well, there are other colors out there, idiots! Why red, not blue? Why not violet? Why not green? Why not pink? Why not black?
Tanga talaga kayong mga pro-Noynoy! ha ha ha ha!
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MLQ3, care to share your answer(s) to the question(s), Friend?
By the way, how’s your friend who talks to her dog in French and thinks that the Philippines is the “armpit of the World” as you yourself said back in 1997?
To benignO:
I am an OPTIMIST. I do not see half-empty glass of water but I see HALF-FULL glass of water. About my reasons for supporting Noynoy, well, Mr. Nick Macafuck asked me what the hell are my reasons for doing so. I just answered him and didn’t expect for another why because that will seem to become endless.
As to your question on how those ten reasons I gave, can make one conclude that those qualities will make a good president out of Noynoy. As I said those are my reasons and for that I am very optimistic that HE IS, HE CAN and HE WILL BE unless the spirit of Mr. Nick MacYavelly will possess him. NO ONE CAN CONCLUDE THAT SOMEONE IS A HEINOUS CRIMINAL UNLESS HE DOES THE HEINOUS CRIME. benignO be OPTIMISTIC!!! There’s nothing wrong with it and it is not IDIOTIC as the Idiot himself Nick MacYavelly claims to be.
To Nick MacfuckYavelly:
I am not as IDIOT as you are. I burned eyebrows for 5 years of Civil Engineering at Silliman University, Passed the Board Exams sans formal Review, was granted Licence by the PRC to practice my Profession, an Alumnus of Negros Oriental State University Graduate School, an Alumnus of Asian Institute of Management – Development Management Center. And you called me Bugaw? I am not clueless, I have an ANALYTICAL MIND. If you disagree with my preference, you can disagree to the top of your lungs until smoke comes running out of your ears, of which I couldn’t care less.
You COWARD, do you think your rhetorics makes you more intelligent than I am? You are a SICK man, you are even afraid to give your real identity? How much more your CREDENTIALS?
You deserve to be IGNORED by anybody who is in his right mind.
Is that all you can say about my reply to you? Name Calling?
You are persistent in asking MLQ3 to answer you. Now answer this: FROM WHOSE PAYROLL ARE YOU DERIVING YOUR BOUNTY AS POLITICAL MERCENARY OR AN ENVELOPMENTAL JOURNALIST?
Hardly any the above are serious requirements for the presidency, nor should they be serious expectations. It betrays a serious imcomprehension of how either policy, diplomacy, or executive-legislative relations are conducted.
nick, you don’t have much good faith from what i can see, and besides that you should realize you’re acting extremely creepy. so enjoy yourself and have a nice life. thanks for visiting and promoting your blog.
Jonathan Francisco,
Easy ka lang, partner. Pusomo, puso mo!
Here goes:
You don’t act like an Engineer, despite all your declarations and claims of being one, and that’s what matters. The papers you claim to hold become irrelevant if what you do is not consistent with the credentials you hold require of you.
As an engineer, you are supposed to be analytical and logical. But your choice for President is not based on either. It’s based on emotionalism and sentiment. It’s based purely on Noynoy’s family name and who his parents were!
You know, if you owned a construction company and needed to hire the manager of a team of engineers, what would your criteria be for hiring them? Would you base it on their family names? Ah, this one’s the son of my classmate in engineering, I’ll choose him! Or are you going to look first at the abilities and experience of different applicants, screen them, shortlist them based on who are the best in the group in terms of abilities and experience, and then choose the remaining best one out of that group of best candidates?
See, Jojo, the process is simple: You’re supposed to check for capabilities and competence, and that’s why you probably will let them go through a test, interview them to know if they really know their stuff, and do background checks to make sure they really did what they say they did in the past.
Now, your choice of Noynoy, unfortunately does not parallel the choice of a candidate for head of engineering… The way you choose Noynoy parallels how you would choose a MASCOT.
A mascot is just a character to rally around. An animal or imaginary creature that supposedly embodies the imagined characteristics of the group. That’s what Noynoy is. A MASCOT.
You didn’t choose Noynoy because of his skills, abilities, ability to lead and inspire, because he is unskilled, he has subpar abilities, he cannot lead, and he is totally uninspiring.
In short, Noynoy does not possess the required REAL characteristics in order to fulfill the requirements of the job.
However, you chose Noynoy because his family name is enough to nostalgically remind you of his parents. Whether he has the Cory-Ninoy magic or not is irrelevant to you because what’s important to you is that you IMAGINE THAT HE HAS or at least you are reminded of his parents’ magic because he (Noynoy) has his parents’ family name and is their son.
Since it’s all about imagined good points and symbolism, instead of ACTUAL, TANGIBLE POSITIVE CHARACTERISMS, it’s clear that:
NOYNOY is just a MASCOT.
You therefore are hiring a MASCOT to do the job of a person responsible for delivering real results to close to 90 million people.
That’s a disconnect, Engineer Jonathan Francisco. And that’s why you’re not acting like a real engineer should.
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MLQ3, my Friend, you’re the one who doesn’t have much good faith from what EVERYONE can see. You’re not answering the questions that have been asked of you. And others have asked you the same questions.
So please answer them, MLQ3.
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/letterstotheeditor/view/20091127-238642/Battle-between-Good-and-Evil
The letter is written in mlq3’s writing style. obvious naman eh. it’s masturbatory. self-praise, kumbaga. mlq3 was torn to shreds on his own blog kaya na-pwersa syang magsulat ng self-praise letter-to-the editor tapos gagamit siya ng pangalan ng iba. just look at this guy descending to the depths of moral deceit. he even blows his own horn on his blog. siya mismo ang nagpost ng kanyang sariling jakoletter dito tapos ipapalabas niya na may ibang taong nagsend nun sa inquirer.
Manolo,
By the way, which blog are you talking about? This one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Machiavelli
That’s not a blog, Manolo, that’s an article about me.
Ano bang pinagsasabi mo dyan, ha?
Sabi mo “thanks for visiting and promoting your blog”, eh aling blog ang pinag-uusapan mo, Manolo?
Hey, do you remember that incident when you told me and several other people about your friend who speaks French to her dog – the one who calls the Philippines “the armpit of the world”, back in 1997? Why were you with a cane back then?
Ano, Manolo, ang dami nang mga tanong sa yo eh, di mo naman sinasagot.
Ok, Mr. Nick or who ever you are:
You don’t have to lecture me on the hiring processes because I myself am a Manager of both Business Enterprise and Social Enterprise. In Business Enterprises, the bottom line is PROFIT while in Social Enterprises, SERVICES and BENEFITS.
The Government of the Republic of the Philippines is ONE BIG SOCIAL ENTERPRISE, therefore the President must be both MANAGER and LEADER.
The Manager shall dictate/direct, plan, control and organize anything within the scope of his mandated power and see to it that the desired results are achieved at the least cost, he is responsible for both the products’ quality control and his subordinates’ well-being, BUT he is NOT ACCOUNTABLE to them. He is only accountable to the owner/owners of the Business Enterprise.
The Leader on the other hand, shall INITIATE, INOVATE, COORDINATE, FACILITATE, MOTIVATE AND INSPIRE his followers for a collective efforts to achieve the desired tangible and intangible results for whatever the cost. He is both RESPONSIBLE and ACCOUNTABLE to his followers in particular and to the whole constituency in general.
Now, with regards to my choice of Noynoy. I did not use the conventional hiring process in selecting candidates, not even emotional nor genealogical considerations BUT my own personal Intuition taking into consideration his educational qualification, legislative experience, personal values and INNATE LEADERSHIP CHARACTER that can be equated to CHARISMA.
That is where my LOGICAL and ANALYTICAL MIND comes in.
Now my questions, Mr. Nick:
1. Do you personally know Noynoy Aquino or do you any personal bias and prejudice against him?
2. Have you personally interviewed Noynoy Aquino or are you just basing your judgment on what you saw on TV?
3. Have you conducted the same selection process you tried to lecture on me to a set of Presidential Aspirants?
4. If you already did, who among them can come close to your standards and be your BET, and, what is the basis of your naming Noynoy Aquino a MASCOT?
5. Finally, from whose payroll are you deriving your bounty as political mercenary to destroy Noynoy Aquino’s reputation?
Answer these questions so I can also subject your choice BET to a careful scrutiny WITH MY OWN CRITERIA. I promise to be OBJECTIVE! And then I will rest my case!
A REAL ENGINEER MR. NICK, DOES NOT CONFINE HIMSELF INSIDE A BOX. GETS MO?
@mlq3 on Sat, 28th Nov 2009 10:33 pm
mlq3,
ah, alliances. i get ur point now. thanks.
although, i gotta admit, the “alliance” with gollum wasnt really an alliance. gollum was useful to frodo and sam, they USED him, for a good end of course.
the reason it worked is not coz they had hope, but coz gollum was insane and not very powerful on his own…
i’m not sure if some politicians who want to join the alliance are as insane and weak as gollum…
How in the world does INTUITION necessarily stem from a LOGICAL and ANALYTICAL MIND?
Do you even know right from left?
Also, check out my additional thoughts on what you said (mine’s in bold):
To Nick MacYavelley;
I notice that you are brain dead and obviously an AH.( or agaw-hinagap o agaw pansin na rin ) But anyway, I will respond to you just thinking that maybe, just maybe…your stinking minute brain could still understand what good governance, reasons and those kind of things would probably mean.
First; ang mga maka-noynoy at hindi mga tanga. MARAMI lang talaga kami. Go ask Pulse Asia and SWS so that at least your shrinking cerebrum would have a good grasp of what I am thinking about.
Second; ang mga maka-noynoy ay hindi mga tanga. Sadya lang napakabobo ng mga taong katulad mo kaya nahihirapan kang maintindihan. Tinagalog ko na kasi alam kong bobo ka talaga.
Third; ang mga maka-noynoy ay hindi mga tanga. Sadya lang napakatalino namin kung kayat hindi ordinaryong paninindigan ang aming pinaglalaban. Ikaw ay isang bobong palaka na nasa ilalim ng balon kaya akala mo ang langit ay kasing laki lang ng bunganga ng balon.
I know it is extremely difficult to deal with a mental case like Nick M but sadly admitted, he is as important as any dick tom and harry in this country and so explaining to him the issues may be worth my little time, just wasted or otherwise..
Mr. Nick, I am not in quarrelsome mode, so please don’t try me. If you have something to refute about my arguments, be a gentleman and say what it was, and why I was wrong.THis is just not the site to put your pants down because you have very little between your legs. In short, huwag mo akong bastusin para di rin kita bastusin. Understand me?
I mentioned about Erap and Villar as bad alternatives for Noynoy, because for me ALL the other candidates are already irrelevant as they don’t stand a chance to win. I have clearly said that this election will just be between NOYNOY, representing GOOD, and the tag team of EVIL represented by E-Eral and Vil-Villar. Now if you are telling me that there are colors in the political horizon like violet, green, etc. I am saying to you right now that you just missed my point and your argument is utterly wayward.
Unahin mo muna kasi ang intensiyong maliwanagan sa matinong debate kaysa ang mang-insulto. Malakas lang kasi loob mo dahil hindi ka na kinakailangan pang insultuhin. Obvious naman.
Chong, if Noynoy becomes president and for some reason you’re in a rally protesting something, I hope you get a taste of what the Hacienda Luisita farmers went through on November 16, 2004.
Pro-Noynoy ka pa kaya kung tadtad ka na ng bala?
Pero tama ka pare.
Erap and Villar are orange bad guys, just like Joey De Venecia III.
They were all in orange sa pag-file nila ng COC, parang Bilibid tuloy sa Comelec.
So ang malaking tanong is bakit ka natatakot ihambing si Noynoy kay Gibo na you always focus on obvious dummies like Erap and Villar?
To Engr. Jojo And Nick MacYavelley;
If you are choosing a candidate like selecting an employee, the more that we should vote for Noynoy.
Again, I am limiting my choices to Noynoy, Erap and Villar because only these candidates have a good chance of winning. Why waste our time with the other candidates who could not even win as chairman in their respective barangays? Ni wala ngang makuhang vice president yung iba, botante pa kaya?
NOw, if we chose an employee, first of all, we subject them for physical examination. Mas bata namang di hamak si Noynoy kaysa kina Erap at Villar, di ba? Sina Erap at Villar, bala mad matagal pa sa hospital ang mga ito kaysa sa Malacanang?
Secondly; we ask for their NBI and Police Clearance. Si Erap ba makakakuha ng clearance samantalang na-convict siya for plunder? Si Villar ba na ayaw sumagot sa mga paratang sa kanya sa senado ay makakakuha ng clearance? Again, si Noynoy lang ang may malinis na record sa kanilang tatlo.
Thirdly; we also ask for their Family Background. Sus ginoo, mananalo ba ang dalawang kamoteng kahoy ke Noynoy eh parehong bayani ang magulang ni Noynoy.
Fourth; may references. Seguro ay wala nang mas gaganda pang tanungin kundi ang mga vice president nila. And if we are going to conduct an interview with their respective vice presidents ito ang tiyak na sasabihin nila;
i) Mar on Noynoy : OK yang si Noynoy. In fact, I sacrificed my own presidential ambition for him.
ii) Loren on Villar : OK din naman itong si Villar pero kung meron man akong isinakripisyo, ito ay ang aking paninindigan, palabra de honor at kredibilidad kasi ka-partner ko ay siya rin yung tinawag kong masamang tao, pinaimbistigahan at pinapalitang senate president.
iii) Binay on Erap : OK din namang itong si Erap at kung meron mang akong isinakripisyo, ito ay ang political career ko kasi wala na akong kinabukasan ngayon.
In short, their respective presidents mirrors the real character of the candidates.
Maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw na if I were the boss of a company, si Noynoy na ang pipiliin ko at wala nang iba.
Re; Hacienda Luisita. Yes, I will still vote for Noynoy in spite of the massacres in Hacienda Luisa because I know that with 1% share, he has absolutely no control over it nor has a hand in managing the same. Mas mataas pa nga ang share ng magsasaka na 33% di ba?
Re; why not compare Nonoy with Gibo? Gibo is stained with his attachment to Danding and the Marcoses. Furthermore, I believe he has no chance of winning. This is the reason why I am limiting my choices to Noynoy, Erap and Villar.
Hindi ako si Nick.
HIndi mo sinagot ang tanong ko.
Bakit ka natatakot ihambing si Noynoy kay Gibo?
Takot ka ba ilitaw ba mga kakulangan ni Noynoy?
Na-late comment ko.
Oo Gibo is related to Danding. How does Danding affect Gibo specifically?
Gibo is attached to the Marcoses? How exactly?
Gibo has no chance? Si Madame Auring ka ba pare?
So parang if your contribution to global warming is tiny, you won’t do your part to alleviate it na lang kasi maliit lang part mo ganun ba? Ganun ba ka-unggoy mag-isip si Noynoy? Kesyo “Ay wala ako magagawa naman diyan bahala kayo sa buhay niyo basta tuloy ang laban” ganun ba yon?
Galing ng hero nyo ah.
Sige nga.
Explain.
When choosing a President, it is also not right that primodial consideration will be on experience. Otherwise, the only one with experience is Erap who became President for 2 1/2 years. It is also not right that it will be focused on projects delivered because Noynoy, who was subjected to political persecution most of his political life, was denied of his pork barrel for several years.
Ang pinakamahalagang konsiderasyon ay ang PUSO at kalinisan ng tao. Nakulong ang tatay ni Noynoy for 9 years. Solitary confinement. And eventually, inialay ang buhay para sa ating lahat.
Sa palagay ba ninyo sisirain ni Noynoy ang pangalang itinayo sapamamagitan ng sakripisyo at pag-aalay ng buhay ng kanyang ama?
Ang nanay ni Nonoy ang nanguna sa pakikibaka para ibalik ang demokrasya para sa ating bayan, hinangaan at naging inspirasyon hindi lamang sa atin kundi sa buong mundo. Sa palagay ninyo dadayangin ni Noynoy ang imahe at bantayog na itinayo ng kanyang ina?
Huwag nating sabihin na hindi naman si Noynoy si Cory at Ninoy. Bagamat hindi nga si Cory o Ninoy si Noynoy, ang batang si Noynoy ay kasama nina Cory at Ninoy sa hirap at hinagpis, maging sa pakikibaka na isinulong ng kanyang ama at ina kung kayat kabahagi rin siya sa kabayanihan ng mga ito.
How do you think will a child feel when his father was imprisoned for several years. Seguro sa panahong lumuluha si Ninoy, lumuluha rin ang batang si Noynoy. What do you think is in a child’s mind learning that his father has lead himself to martyrdom? Natitiyak ko na ang balang kumitil sa buhay ng kanyang ama ay higit na nadarama ng anak na nauunawaan kung gaano kamahal ns kanyang ama ang bayan. Gayon din sa kabayanihan ni Cory, tiyak nakasama di Noynoy. 9 na coup nilabanan ni Cory, bahagi ng kanyang kabayanihan. dapat nating malaman na isa sa mga coup na iyon ay muntik nang kumitil sa buhay ni Noynoy at katunayan ay nasa katawan pa niya ang ilang bala.
Sometimes when we choose a candidate, we ignore the most important things : Honesty, Integrity and Sincerity. Ang mga ito kasi ay di nakakagawa ng tulay, kalsada, buildings at mga paaralan. Ang dapat nating malaman, marami ang nawawala sa ating mga tulay, kalsada, etc. dahilan sa walang honesty, integrity and sincerity ang ating mga nanunungkulan.
Re; Gibo. You don’t need the “mastery” of Madam Auring to know that with 2% rating and your opponent has 44%, you have no chance at all to win. Even in basketball, it would be statistically impossible for a team to catch up when the score is 2-44, barely two quarters to go. More so, may ka-team mate kayo na ang pangalan any GMA who is tall in graft in corruption but short in public support.
Re; Global warning. It is a fallacy to compare it with the situation in Hacienda Luisita. When you are the President, you have 100% authority to deal with global warming. Si Noynoy 1% lang ang authority sa hacienda Luisita.
Matanong naman kita, why not blame Hacienda Luisita incident to the Chairman of the Board, President or Manager of the company. Why Noynoy? Para mapalapit pa, why not blame it on Kris, Viel or Pinky or Peping Cojuangco. The real intention is obvious. Candidate kasi si Noynoy and he is leading by a mile kaya pilit na iniuugnay sa kanya ang Hacienda Luisita,
Eh di vote for Kris for president. Ganu’n pala basehan eh.
Then make Kris our President. She was there. Ninoy was her martyred dad too. Vote for Kris, not the ignoramus. Same lame reasons for choosing.
Hindi naman ah. Gibo has those. Gordon has those. Walang monopolyo si Noynoy niyan.
Then if that’s a certainty, do you promise to give all of your personal and family possessions to the Philippine National Red Cross if Noynoy loses to gibo or anyone else in 2010? Imposible ka naman matalo eh. Let’s make your conviction your pledge pare.
Hindi ito fallacy. Hindi ito tungkol sa control. Tungkol ito sa prinsipyo. Kung dugo ng kawawang magsasaka ang katapat ng pag-aari ng kahit gaano kalaking nahagi ng Hacienda Luisita, edi kung may integridad yang mga Aquino bibitawan nila LAHAT ng shares nila ng walang aasahang kapalit. Tama na excuses mo chong.
Actually, tama, go after those other parties who have denied Hacienda Luisita farmers their due. Lahat ng accountable habulin. Kaya kasama pa rin si Noynoy.
So ayan malinaw usapan natin ha Hustisya. Because you’re so very sure na Noynoy will beat everyone inclusing Gibo, you will bet everything you own para sa ipakikinabang ng rescue & relief efforts ng Philippine National Red Cross kung may tumalo kay Noynoy kahit sino pa yun. Tatandaan mo ‘to ha.
O, sige pa. Ano pa mga excuse mo pare?
I think you are the one who is impossible, mare. Before, you are pushing Gibo who has no chance of winning, now you are pushing Kris who is not even a candidate. Tapos, gusto mo pang i-garnish ng red cross ang mga properties ko. Ano ba yun?
Gusto ko lang linawin sa yo, mare, na nagdedebate tayo at di nagmamajong.
Pero kung gusto mo pustahan kung sino ang mananalo between Noynoy and Gibo, shoot sana ako diyan. Pero sira ulo lang seguro ang makikipagpustahan ng walang kalaban. Dapat sabihin mo kung laban ka at ano ang taya mo at sino ang manok mo. Di ba mas tama yun, chang?
RE; Hacienda Luisita and global warming. Yun ang pagkakamali mo, mare. Yun ang fallacy. Kasi, magkaiba ang situation at circumstances. Ang ibig mong sabihin pag nawala ang Hacienda Luisita, mawawala rin ang global warming?
Parang mali o hinihilo mo lang ako, chang.
E di wala palang timbang ang mga paninidigan mo.
You can’t put your money where your mouth is KAHIT “SIGURADO” KA.
Halata namang nililinlang mo kami.
Basahin mo ulit, o talagang kinukulang ka yata sa iodized salt?
PRINSIPYO. Wala si NOynoy nito.
Kung dugo ng kawawang magsasaka ang katapat ng pag-aari ng kahit gaano kalaking bahagi ng Hacienda Luisita, edi kung may integridad yang mga Aquino bibitawan nila LAHAT ng shares nila ng walang aasahang kapalit.
Kaso wala.
Kung hindi mo yun naitindihan, baka may utak ka ng tilapia.
Babae ka pala. Di ko alam. Sori sa pagtawag sa ‘yo ng pare.
O ayan, just to get that out of the way.
Still, malinaw mga sinabi ko so if you act like you don’t understand them niloloko mo lang kaming lahat.
Gibo has honesty, integrity and sincerity?
Let us look into this. Gibo is the Defense Secretary for a while and in most part of the reign of the Ampatuans. Did he lift a finger to neutralize their private armies? No. Did he lift a finger to ensure that ARMM and Maguindanao are no voting factories of the administration? Again the answer is no. And now, after this whole massacre issue has already exploded, he has the nerve to go to Maguindanao for a quick fix of this whole mess and to ensure that the voting factories in those places will remain, pinalitan lang ng pangalan from Ampatuan Vote Factories to Mangadadatu Vote Factories.
Gibo, 2% in pulse asia survey just can not afford to lose the the votes factories in Maguindanao and ARMM.
Can we call this honesty, integrity and sincerity?
Giboy can not even handle a single disaster of ONDOY, how much more all the disasters for the next 6 years and those man made disasters he let pass even when he can at least expressed objection to? In short, walang nilabanang katiwalian si Gibo.
Can we call this honesty, integrity and sincerity?
Come, on. Mare, you can review this exchanges. Kung gusto mo ng pustahan, tumaya ka rin. Alangan namang ako lang ang may taya.Ikaw wala. Pustahan ba yun?
Pikon ka na ba? Kasi hihinto na ako kung pikon ka na, mahirap kadebate ang pikon.
Re; Hacienda Luisita. 1% lang ang share ni Noynoy, how can he exercise authority over it? You are knocking my head. And hoew does this issue connect to global warning? OK, utak tilapia ako at ikaw matalino. Can you please, mareng genius, explain how Hacienda Luisita would connect to Global Warning?
Parang mental case ka na rin.
Pati ba Global Warming maisisi na rin kay Noynoy?
Parang wala na kayong maisip.
Why, did SENATOR Noynoy Aquino lift a finger to fix the same problems? No. Did he even come close to developing solutions of ANYTHING related to the ARMM? No. Is the Noynoy camp tremedously insecure of its lack of popularity down south? Sigurado. You can call it Vote Factory all you want kasi walang hatak si Noynoy doon. Yan lang pala ibabato niyo, insecurity ng partido niyo. Walang pinagkaiba sa Vote Factory niyo sa Tarlac. Ganun naman tawag niyo lagi kapag hindi sa inyo – Vote Factory.
Mabuti you mentioned Ondoy kasi ang naialay ni Gibo sa delubyong yun eh ang overall coordination ng gov’t resources. Malaki yun. Eh si NOynoy? Ayun ginamit yung mga nakolektang mamiso sa taumbayan. Buti pa si Kris malaki hatak nung generating funds through ABSCBN Sagip kapamilya. Si Noynoy, walaaaa. Nandoon ka-meeting si Erap. Your sincere honest integrity bullshit is out da window dahil Noynoy is in cahoots with Erap!
Si Noynoy, walang nagawa, walang kayang gawin, walang alam gawin, tapos nag-iimbento pa mga delusional supporters na meron siyang sincerity, honesty, integrity, at kung anu ano pang mga hindi naman mapatunayan.
Noon pa ngang habang nagtratrabaho si Gibo at Gordon during kasagsagan ni Pepeng, si Noynoy ka-party si Raymond Gutierrez and friends, once again walang pakinabang, walang naitulong na IMMEDIATE sa kanyang electorate.
Ang galing ninyong maglinlang.
I have relatives swept away by Pepeng so don’t give me that bullshit.
Hindi naging Defense Secretary si Noynoy, si Gibo lang, mare. At yung mga tauhan ni Gibo sa AFP, ginawang muchacho at private armies ni Ampatuan, di nakapiyok si Gibo.
Huwag mong iliko ang issue, mare. Isang disaster pa lang na Ondoy di nakaya ni Gibo. Siya ang incharge sa disaster preparedness chuvanes, hindi si Noynoy. Kung iyong isang disaster lang di nakaya ni Gibo, paano pa lahat nang disaster for the next year?
The truth is, si Gibo mismo disaster ang candidacy, 2% lang sa pulse asia kahit ginamit na ang buong makinarya ng gobyerno. Ito ewan ko paano niya handle….
Huwag mong palabuin ang issue mare, 47% si Noynoy sa Mindanao per pulse asia. Si Gibo, 1% bwahahaha! Siya ang nangangailangan ng vote factories.
Anong party ang pinagsasabi mo. Stalker ka ba ni Noynoy? The truth is, namudmud si Noy and Mar ng relief at ginawa pa ngang relief distribution center and isang malaking warehouse sa Cubao. Si Gibo, sumakay sa relief distribution ng gobyerno as if pera niya ang resources ng gobyerno.
Walang nagawa si Noynoy. Walang alam gawin. Kaya pala tinatanong kita kung anong katiwalian ang tinutulan ni Gibo wala kang isinagot kundi tunganga.
May bagong slogan si Gibo;
GIBO WALANG KIBO
( Sa katiwalian ! )
GIBO WALANG KIBO
( Sa kaguluhan )
GIBO WALANG KIBO
( Kay Ampatuan ! )
GIBO WALANG KIBO
( Kay ONDOY !! )
GIBO WALANG KIBO
( Sa abuso ni Gloria )
GIBO WALANG KIBO
Kung sa bagay, matatapos ang eleksyon tiyak wala pa ring kibo dahil kulelat. Talo is understatement. KULELAT is more like it.
Tira na kayo nang tira ng Hacienda Luisaita eh yung mga nagrally sa harap ng bahay ni Noynoy puro me dalang pamaypay ni GIBO lahat nang channel nahuli yun sa camera. Mahilig pala sa underhand tactics si GIBO, WALANG KIBO!
One more thing that makes Gibo’s candidacy mediocre is the fact that he is probably the Presidential candidate na binasted ng the most number of vice presidential probables. List as follows;
1.) PUNO, binasted si Gibo walang kibo.
2.) LOREN, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
3.) Escudero, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
4.) Gwen Garcia, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
5.) Vilma santos, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
Bwaha-ha-ha. Ang nakuha pa niya yung game show king, Edu Mansano. Balita ko dinaan sa roleta, kaso naswertehan ni Gibo, walang kibo kaya hayun, nakabili ng vice.
GIBO, basted walang kibo!
Kung mga vice presidentiable nga walang tiwala sa kanya, botante pa kaya?
aba masyado nang mainit ang diskusyon dito.
anyway, asan na nga ba ang mga detalyadong plano ni noynoy para sa bayan? siguro naman kahit kayong mga noynoy supporters kahit paano maiintindihan niyo naman na ang mga pahayag tulad ng “buburahin ko ang katiwalian sa pamahalaan” ay pangako lamang, di ba? at ang mga pangako ay madaling isawalang bahala. ngayon sa tingin niyo hindi ba mas makakabuti kung may malinaw na plano kung paano niya ito gagawin? siguro naman kung ang kandidato makakapaglabas ng detalyadong plano mas malamang sa hindi sisiguraduhin niyang tuparin ang kanyang pangako.
tanggapin niyo na kasi na malaking tulong talaga ang plataporma (yung tunay ah hindi yung puro motherhood statement lang) dahil diyan pa lang makikita na natin kung pinagisipan man lang ba niya kung ano nga ba ang gagawin niya. masyado naman kayong madaling utuin kung ok na sa inyo ang mga pangako.
sa totoo lang wala naman kahit sino sa atin ang makapagsasabi kung magiging matin ba o hindi ang isang politiko oras na siya’y mahalal. ang sa akin lang basta politiko mas duda ako na oras na nasa kanya na ang kapangyarihan madedemonyo na rin iyan. kaya ang sa akin lang mas lamang pa rin ang politikong may malinaw na plano. hindi ito lesser evil ah isyu lang ito ng kung sino ba talaga ang preparado.
malinaw naman kasi na sa ngayon hindi pa talaga preparado si noynoy. tanungin niyo kaya siya kung ano ba ang mga konkretong hakbang na gagawin niya para “alisin ang tiwali.” subukan niyo lang.
sa totoo lang… kayong mga noynoy supporter na rin ang nagpapasama sa imahe ni noynoy eh. sana makita niyo na baka naman mas mabuti pa eh tulungan niyo na lang ang senador na maihayag sa mamamayan kung ano nga ba ang mga plano niya.
sa ngayon kasi sa mga sinasabi niyo na pagpili base sa intuition at kung ano ano pang guni-guni diyan lumalabas na ang isinusulong niya ay traditional politics. alam niyo ba yun? traditional politics kung saan ang mga kandidato namamayagpag sa pamamagitan ng patuloy na pagpapabobo sa mga botante. hindi naman siguro ganoon si noynoy di ba pero sa mga hirit ninyong mga pro-noynoy parang nagiging ganoon ang dating.
isa pa bakit ba tuwing babanatan si noynoy ang hinala niyo kaagad nakapanig sa ibang kandidato ang bumabanat. sa akin lang hinahamon ko kayo sumilip kayo sa blog ko at maghanap kayo doon ng anumang pahayag ng pagsuporta kanino man. pero para hindi na rin kayo mapagod sasabihin ko na na wala kahit isa. ordinaryong botante lang ako na naghahanap ng linaw sa mga plano ng mga kandidato kasama na doon si noynoy.
ang mahirap kasi at ito totohanan na to… halatado naman kasi kung bayad ang supporter eh. ano ang mga senyales. una masyadong palaban kahit wala sa lugar ang hirit, pangalawa napakatyagang dumepensa (marami ako kilalang tunay na noynoy supporter kaya alam ko hindi ganyan ang mga tunay na supporter), pangatlo may mga website iyan na bagong bukas na walang ibang laman kundi pulos papuri sa kandidato (ulitin ko marami akong kilalang tunay na pro-noynoy na may mga blog din pero hindi ganyan ang estilo).
kung ako si noynoy tatanggalin ko ang nag-ma-manage ng online capaign ko. amateur kasi. hindi ba magawang gawing disimulado ang mga tirada at ang masama pa habang humihirit lalong nasisira ang imahe ni noynoy.
magbasa basa muna kayo ng mga libro tungkol sa pag-manage ng communication agenda kasi sa ngayon talaga masyadong halata. kung yun ngang isang nagpaka-high profile na supporter ni noynoy nung una pa man halatang halatang may kaplit ang pagsuporta niya kayo pa. di ba ngayon senatorial candidate na siya?
konting pino lang mga maka-noynoy at baka sakali mas makatulong pa kayo sa kandidato niyo.
kung available lang sana lahat ng mga plataporma eh di ang pinagtatalunan na sana natin ay ang mga issue at kung ano ang pinakamahusay na solusyon.
sana yung mga nagsasabi na hindi mahalaga ang plataporma ay manahimik na lamang. kung mahal niyo talaga ang pilipinas tutulong pa kayo para maiangat ang antas ng pagdedebate ng mga botante.
Aba, nagkaroon yata ng buhay ang comment section na ito ah.
Nag-inuman lang ako kasama ng mga kaibigan, pagbalik ko rito sobra na ang sagutan.
Pero magaling yung lumalaban kay Hustisya… Talo si Hustisya.
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MLQ3, where are your answers?
I am endorsing the candidacy of Noynoy based on legitimate issues and I am forwarding to everybody this cause through healthy discussions. Wala lang sanang pikunan which is very common in all forum.
I am not a paid hack nor a campaign mercenary, just a legit Noynoy supporter who not only wishes to share the light but in the same breathe wishes to be enlightened also. My mind is still open to whatever truth and rationale I may come across in my encounters with people of different political inclinations. This is how democracy works, isn’t it? And this is just how freedom is exercise. I respect other’s opinion just as much I wish to be respected by others.
Noynoy supporters do not profess monopoly of truth and the effort to change but we are not to ignore any lies, black propaganda and irrational inference that others may purvey for the sole intention of frustrating the truth.
To Nick M;
Lasing ka lang kaya akala mo talo ako. Di mo nakikita na di na kumikibo ang maka-Gibo?
Palipadin mo muna hangover mo tapos ikaw naman ang ingungudngud ko.
ang tunay na nagmamahal sa bansa isusulong ang panawagan para sa plataporma dahil ang pagbase ng boto sa plataporma ang matalino at matinong pamamaraan ng pagboto.
walang pagmamahal sa bayan ang nagsusulong bobong pamamaraan. ganoon lang yun kasimple.
Hustisya,
Tanga ka pala eh. Ano bang oras na ngayon? Gising ako dahil galing ako sa inuman at flexi-time ako sa trabaho kaya no problem ako. Eh yung nagtalo sa yo, malamang natulog na dhail may trabaho pa kaya di muna kumibo sa yo.
Medyo may diperensya yata utak mo, mare.
Utak nga ng tilapia ‘ika nga ng isa dyang magaling at marunong na tumalo sa yo.
Hey, Mr Engr. Jojo, thanks for your insightful response. It was so insightful, in fact, that it inspired a full article which I published on AntiPinoy.com, “The Kick-Arse Test“.
Cheers,
benign0
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To Unjnown Messenger:
You should have taken note of the chronological arrangement of my comments before you “chopchop” them to suit your own twisted reasoning.
Of course INTUITION DO NOT STEM UP from LOGICAL AND ANALYTICAL MIND, IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
My Intuitive faculty is the precursor and igniter of my Logical and Analytical Mind. In my profession, I am engaged in Project Design and Development, I conduct Feasibility Studies. Intuition on anything that would be the potential subject of my
studies preceeds all other activities, before trying to figure out what is left and what is right, what is black and what is white.
That was how I came out with a conclusive decision to support the candidacy of Noynoy Aquino. First by INTUITION, then a careful meditative and logical analysis on Noynoy’s Character and Qualifications.
About your additional thoughts in bold letters, first, let me tell you that I AM NOT A PAID HACK, I am gainfully employed and the thing that moved me in this cause is the spirit of volunteerism. I spend my own money just to advance the cause of Noynoy.
1. Noynoy in all his life, although coming from a wealthy family never acted like an oligarch. Remember that his father was jailed when he was just at the tender age of 12.
2. Check the record in the Lower House and in the Senate for Noynoy accomplishment including his attendance.
3. That is the product of your imagination, Kris never hold Noynoy on his nose.
4. Hacianda Luisita massacre was not the result of Agrarian Conflict (Landowner vs Farmworkers), it was the result of the Red-agtated Mob-like behavior of the striking workers and the overreaction of the peace keeping force. The Strikers rallied in protest to the non-implemention of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the arbitrary dismissal of their co-workers meaning Labor-Management Dispute that could have been solved by GMAs Department of Labor. Why not put the blame on them?
5. A senator can not do otherwise, it is the presidency that can make and unmake this advocacy to happen.
6. Who says Noynoy is clueless on what to do? He is already doing that, starting from his decision to take the challenge of Presidency.
7. Noynoy is the reciprocal of Bongbong Marcos. The Marcoses Conjugal Dictatorship is detestable, while the Aquinos conjugal heroism is inspirational. If Bongbong TO YOU has a good breeding, them maybe you have same feathers.
8. He DOESN’T owe anything from ABS-CBN, It is Villar who owes from WOWOWEE’S (ABS-CBN’s Prime Noontime Show) endorsement care of Willie Revillame.
9. Noynoy and Shalani do not need media mileage, they are already celebrities in their own right.
10. Noynoy is a WINNER not because of Guns, Gold, Goons and GARCI.
YOU ARE ANOTHER COWARD WHO HIDES YOUR IDENTITY BY BEING ANONYMOUS.
[...] at The Noted One’s seminal blog post “Good Frodo and Evil Gollum“, a commentor who goes by the handle “Engr. Jojo†cited the following reasons for supporting [...]
Engineer Jonathan Francisco,
Easy ka lang, puso mo, puso mo!
Parang na-heart attack ka yata… Take it easy, boy. Ang bata-bata mo baka mamatay ka ng di oras sa high blood mong yan!
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By the way, walang pinag-kaiba si Noynoy kay Erap.
Erap was the puppet of rich businessmen – often from the Binondo group – who were outside of the old oligarchy.
Noynoy will be the puppet of the OLD OLIGARCHY
Pareho silang bobo, and as Erap was popular enough to win but bobo enough to be used as a puppet, Noynoy is just as popular enough (thanks to his name) to win, but bobo enough to be used as a puppet.
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Noynoy is the old oligarchy’s Erap.
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Still haven’t heard anything from MLQ3. Manolo, where’s your answer?
I agree with Engr. Jojo , your fight is difficult because you are facing people who always glorify corruption . These are the people who praises and justifies people that never condemned corruption in their lives . They are lead or even paid by a candidate who threw out his weaknesses to noynoy , he was asking for Noynoy accomplishemnt for a fact that he has not done at all in his 9years in congress and 3 years in DND , They question the platform of govt’ of Noynoy for a fact that he had nothing to offer at allexcept to continue the programs of GMA and to conduct consultations . Programs that never Corruption ,for a fact , that for 3 years he never had any corruption investigated and justified it by just saying walang Corruption sa AFP … which is unbelievable…
They also accuse Noynoy to be just dicated by his followers,for a fact , that he himself admitted that his Loyalty belong to GMA which is a very clear display of Weakness and obvious betrayal of the people’s trust , because,the constitution , never allow any official to serve for the interest of any individual but rather their loyalty should be for the state and the people .
really strange. why the insistence on comparing noynoy to gibo and vice versa. when the fact of the matter is all of the candidates not just these two should be scrutinized equally.
this type of “noynoy defense” does not do him ay justice at all.
i’ve been involved in a similar debate with a gibo and villar supporter at least their defenders — no matter how heated the discussion got — stuck to answering the questions about their candidates. in the case of noynoy supporters the response is almost always one of evasion and substition as in “eh bakit si candidate a or b.”
someone should really fire noynoy’s online campaign manager. kawawa ang kandidato sa diskarteng ganito.
ito namang si Nick is now acting in same his candidate is doing today .
Noynoy slogan — Ituwid ang Mali(which is objective)
Villar — Sipag at Tiyaga ( objective )
Gibo — Galing at Talino ( Kayabangan )
He and his supporters are now in the world that created a boundary between Intelligent and Bobo people . They are the supreme race while the rest are inferior . They normally treat us and our candidates , as fanatics and Mga bobo . Labis na kayabangan dahil sa angking talino. Almost all great people in the past ,much smarter than him , ay hindi nagmamayabang of what they have possessed ,and this is the first time,I’ve heard , sa isang kandidato na ang kayabangan ay ginawa pang slogan …..Look how they treat and comment , Aquino, bobo daw ,mahina daw ang ulo, hindi magaling …. Even their supporters are now thinking this way … para bang napakataas ang tingin nila sa kanilang sarili, para bang sila na ang pinakatalino ..at sila na ang pinakamagaling…
But I would like to remind them that God never allow sa labis na pagmamayabang sa katalinuhan…nasa bible yan…
Alam mo better Philippines , you are actually condemning things that you need to find out yet , you must consider that all the candidates have not yet ..spread every detail of their paltform of governance .. You are perhaps hiding as a No candidate for you to be able to evade criticism , I don’t think you can fool us that way …You are actually singling out Noynoy and it is very obvious that you are not attacking the system but the person itself … don’t be hypocrite my friend ..wala namang mawawala sa iyo kung magbabanatan tayo dito sa mga kandidato natin …
This is interesting: Cory’s CARP
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7359/corysbungledcarp.png
Why do my comments keep getting blocked?
I see.
This is Reyna Elena’s clone blog.It does stifle dissent.
dennis,
what am i condemning exactly?
as for me having a candidate, as i said in my comment above you can go ahead nd check my blog and see if i have said anything that would indicate support for any candidate.
btw just for the record okay, between the two of us you resorted to name-calling first. just so you know.
in any case, just re-read my comment. if the “recommendation” is lost on you that’s your problem not mine.
dennis,
would you appreciate if you raised a point against candidate A and got a response that contained more info about candidate B than candidate A.
if i wanted info about candidate B then i’d go to his camp for answers.
in this case the discussion is about noynoy so why talk about other candidates?
and you conclude that i’m a supporter of another candidate? well, just so you know, there’s obviously not enough reliable basis yet for me or anyone else to make a proper choice. perhaps, you’ll agree that the death of cory aquino and the surge of emotions that followed afterwards are not a good basis at all.
Manolo,
We’re all still waiting for your answer(s)… Don’t be a sissy…
To Nick M;
Ako ang natulog, nahil nakakaantok kang kadebate.Alam ko namang ikaw din yun, iba-iba lang ang pangalan. Nang si Gibo na ang topic, bigla ka nang naglasing. Puro ka insulto, wala namang laman ang pinagsasabi mo. Hindi ka tanga. Wala ka lang utak. Yung tanga may utak, ikaw walang utak.
Bweno, bakit wala kayong sagot sa slogan ko?
GIBO, WALANG KIBO ( Sa katiwalian )
GIBO, WALANG KIBO ( Kay Ampatuan )
GIBO, WALANG KIBO ( Sa kalokohan ni Gloria )
GIBO, WALANG KIBO ( Sa mga eskandalo )
Importanteng sagutin ninyo ito, kayong mga matatalino pero walang utak na katulad ni Nick dahil sabi ni Gibo siya raw ay may TALINO at GALING. Ang tanong; Kung may talino ka at galing, bakit wala kang kibo sa mga pagkakataong kailangan ng bayan ang iyong pag-kibo? Ha, Gibo?
This guy, Gibo, has professed through commercials using government money that he has talino at galing and I wish to ask him, why is it that your talino at galing where not evident during the bloody reign of the Ampatuans? Where was Gibo’s talino at galing at a time when GMA got involved in various scandals such as ZTE, Northrail, etc.?
Bakit walang kibo si Gibo?
Kayong mga matatalino na walang utak ay di rin sumasagot sa tanong ko kung bakit binasted si Gibo ng di mabilang na mga vice presidentiables. Bakit nga ba?
1.) Si Puno, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
2.) Si Loren, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
3.) Si Escudero, binasted si Gibo walang kibo
4.) Si Gwen Garcia, binasted si Gibo walang kibo.
5.) Si Vilma Santos, binasted si Gibo walang kibo.
The truth of the matter is that, not only those listed above actually turned down this President wannabe. Binasted pa rin nga pala siya ni Bong Revilla at Jinggoy Estrada and thus making him as the presidential candidate that was rejected the most in the annals of Philippine Politics.
Mantakin ninyo yan,…. Kung mga vice presidentiables nga di nagtiwala sa kanya, mga botante pa kaya????
Answer these questions, and be man enough to stick to reasons, instead subjecting yourself to self inflicted insult and embarrassments.
And by the way, hindi mo na kinakailangang maglasing to face me. The best a moron like you could do at this stage is to conceal that you are a both a fagot and a mental case.
Dennis the Menace,
Noynoy is up there kasi maraming tangang Pilipino. As one guy said, starstruck ignoramuses daw ang mga pro-Noynoy.
Kasi nga naman, he has nothing but his name. Wala naman siyang mapakitang performance. Wala naman siyang mapakitang outstanding academic or intellectual credentials. Bulol siya. Bobo siya compared to his sister Kris whom everyone acknowledges as having gotten the Ninoy brains – yun nga lang naside-track dahil sa glitz and glamor of Pinoy Showbiz kaya napunta sa maling mga lalaki at nagkaroon pa siya ng tulo.
It’s only right that even if many ordinary people have not yet settled on a candidate of their own, that they question the basis of Noynoy’s running for President, when recently, he himself made it known that he’s not ready.
Kaya nga lang siya nag-run was because NAPILITAN SIYA ng mga oligarchy na gustong pumapel! Yung mga taga-ABSCBN dyan, they saw how big the wave of mass support was for Cory when she died. So those hacenderos decided to ride on that wave and annoint the only begotten Son as the Messiah.
Pero ano ‘to? Messiah na walang miraculous powers? Para siyang si Harry Potter sa movies na kulelat naman compared to Hermione (who is extremely studious and knows her lessons well), pero lagi siyang pinapabor ng mga teacher at pati na rin ng Principal all because of some lucky thing he did when he was a baby.
Well, in Noynoy’s case, wala nga siyang lucky thing that he did except to survive from Honasan’s coup plot. But other than that, there’s nothing special about his abilities. Wala talaga siyang maibubuga.
Pangalan at apelyido lang.
So anyone who uses his/her brains has the right to question Noynoy and question all of Noynoy’s supporters on what Noynoy has to offer, because very clearly, he has nothing to offer.
The scrutiny of Noynoy is more intense purely because his frontrunner status has nothing to do with his ability, but is all because of his family name.
Eh ikaw Dennis as well as Jonathan Francisco, di kayo nag-iisip eh. Puro kayo pantasya at magic tulad ni Manolo.
Bagsak kayo sa exam. Kasi walang basehan ang pagpili niyo kay Noynoy.
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Manolo, We’re all still waiting for your answer(s)… Don’t be a sissy…
Hustisya,
Teka, bakit naman si Gibo ang hirit mo sa akin? Sino ba ang nagsabing Gibo ang gusto ko?
Bueno, ang katotohanan ay ganito. Kahit hindi ako maka-Gibo, mas halata naman sa lahat ng mga tao na mas matalino si Gibo kaysa sa pinsan niyang bobo na si Noynoy. Si Gibo bar topnotcher na, nag-Harvard pa.
Samantalang si Noynoy, kahit mayaman at may oras na mag-aral, di man lang nag-MBA. Talagang walang maipapakita ‘tong Noynoy na ‘to. Loser talaga. Yun ang kanyang L-sign eh. Loser.
Anyway, di naman ako Gibo fan eh. Basta punto ko, between Noynoy and Gibo, tangina, si Gibo na lang. At least di tayo mapapahiya sa ibang bansa.
Si Noynoy kasi PARANG ERAP LANG YAN!
Bobo na, puppet pa.
Kung yung ngang Ondoy, di nahandle ni Gibo when he was with DND, eh paano pa natin aasahan na kaya niyang hawakan ang lahat nang disasters for the next six years?
To Nick M; don’t thrown an insult, just answer this question. If you throw another insult without answering this question, you insult you throw is obviously on you. How dare you insult my intelligence when your own intelligence can not hold on to my arguments.
Kung si Ampatuan, di na-control ni Gibo at yung army ni Gibo ay ginawang muchacho at private army ni Ampatuan, paano natin aasahan si Gibo na pipigilan ang iba pang warlords?
To Nick M; don’t thrown an insult, just answer this question. If you throw another insult without answering this question, you insult you throw at me is just your way of describing your own stupid self. How dare you insult my intelligence when your own intelligence can not hold on to my arguments.
To Nick M;
Bakit ba lahat nang tao bobo at tanga sa yo?
Galit ka ba sa mundo?
Baka naman di ka talaga taga-mundo kaya iba ang konsepto mo ng matalino at bobo.
Saang planeta ka ba galing.
To Better Philippines;
Kainin mo plataporma mo. Si GMA, may plata forma. Tingnan mo nangyari sa atin.
Anumang plataporma ay walang kahihinatnan kung wala kang ; Honesty, Sincerity at Integrity.
Bulol ka na Hustisya, puro ka typographical error. Mag-relax ka muna at baka mamatay ka sa high blood. ha ha ha ha ha!
As I said, wala akong paki-alam kay Gibo. Di ako maka-Gibo.
All I said is that between Gibo and Noynoy, Gibo is clearly the better man.
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At di ako galit sa mundo.
Galit ako sa mga tanga at bobo…
…tulad ninyong mga maka-Noynoy kasi wala nga naman talagang maibubuga si Noynoy pero maka-Noynoy pa rin kayo. Ang tawag dyan: TANGA.
Kasi nga, alam naman ninyong wala talaga siyang maibubuga, pero ipinagpipilit pa rin ninyo.
Tanga’t bobo lang ang ganyan umasta.
Eh kung merong tae dyan at pinapakain sa inyo, kakainin niyo ba?
Ganun si Noynoy. Tae. Di siya gourmet food. Tae siya. Pero kakainin niyo pa rin.
Sino ang tanga?
Sino ang bobo?
Kayong mga pro-Noynoy, tanga at bobo.
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Ano say mo, ha? ‘Wag kang ma-high blood ha… Tae si Noynoy, pero kakainin niyo pa rin. Tanga at bobo nga talaga kayo… Kasi gagawa pa kayo ng justification para sabihing “may sustansya naman ang tae ah.”
Di lang kayo bobo at tanga… Pilosopo’t bolero pa!
To Nick M;
Sabi mo between Noynoy ang Gibo, kay Gibo ka na?
Paka boyfriend ang hanap mo, di presidente.
Paki linaw lang
Hustisya,
Pagboboto ng Presidente ang pinag-uusapan dito. Wa’g kang magpapaligoy-ligoy porke’t talo ka na.
At nag-typo ka na naman. “Paka boyfriend” Ano ‘kamo?
Na-typo ka naman dahil na-highblood ka ano? Baka ma-stroke ka ha. Ingat ka.
To Nick M;
Kung tae si Noynoy, INODORO ka naman dahil walang laman ang BIBIG mo kundi TAE. ( Si NOynoy Kamo )
Ikaw ang pwedeng ma-stroke dahil barado ng tae ang ugat mo.
Nata-typo ako dahil isang kamay lang inilalaban ko sa yo. Yung isang kamay, nag-papainting ako ng portrait ni Cory.
Hustisya,
Easy ka lang, baka pumutok ang mga blood vessels mo. ha ha ha ha!
Ha? Na-typo ka kasi isang kamay lang ang ginamit mo? Sigurado kang di mo pinaglalaruan ang ari mo? (Di sa akin nanggaling yan ha, may ibang humirit niyan dito, ginaya ko lang!)
Alam mo Hustisya, obvious ka… Masakit na ang ulo mo at baka ma-stroke ka.
Easy ka lang.
Mr.Nick Inodoro, isang baldeng tubig lang pala katapat mo.
Talo ka na kaya wala ka nang kibo o naglalasing ka na naman?
Mr, Nick Liit;
Eh mabuti ako me ari, ikaw tila wala.
Nagpaopera ka ba?
Mr. Nick Operada;
Bakit ang ari mo, parang INODORO rin. Kaya pala di mo pwedeng paglaruan ang ari mo kasi, tinataihan lang pala yang alaga mo.
Hustisya,
I’ve got a life, kaya di ako laging sumasagot… Mag-iinuman ulit ako ngayon. Ikaw, magluksa ka sa harap ng computer mo dahil talo ka sa debate. ha ha ha ha ha!
Easy ka lang, at baka mamatay ka sa myocardial infarction.
BWAHA_HA_HA_HA!!!!
Lunurin mo uli sa alak ang katalunan mo….
Next please……
hustisya,
pati ba ako gusto mo awayin? di naman kita inaaway ah? ganyan ba talaga kayo?
Hustisya,
I’m back.
Had a nice cocktail drinking session with two beautiful chicks. 
Inggit ka, ano? 
Alam niyo, yang style ni Hustisya na multiple hirits, LBM ang tawag dyan eh. Pururut. Just look at that guy come out with multiple one-liners. Isn’t that lame?
Yan ang talo. Di niya nga kasi ma-defend si Noynoy kasi nga totoo naman na di naman talaga handa si Noynoy na maging presidente ng bansa. Gosh, di nga puedeng maging lider ng partido eh, presidente pa kaya?
Ganito lang naman eh. Si Hustisya ang tipong nawawalan na rin ng bilib kay Noynoy kaya grasping at straws na siya at talagang na high-blood na.
Alam mo ba sinong dapat sisihin? Yang mga campaign manager ni Noynoy at pati na rin ang mga pumilit kay Noynoy na tumakbo based solely sa funeral ni Cory.
Alam niyo ba, di naman titirahin si Noynoy kung di siya tumakbo eh. Kasi nga naman, to begin with, wala naman talaga siyang ambition at all. At wala siyang ambition kasi alam niyang wala siyang kakayahan. Kaya nga Noynoy never took the proper steps to prepare himself for the presidency.
Let me ask, why didn’t Noynoy take up masters or an MBA? Why didn’t he even try out for a PhD in Economics? I mean, he’s rich already, so ok lang naman na puro siya aral nang aral.
If he really was serious about making the Philippines a better place, he’d at least try to first LEARN how to make the Philippines a better place. What better place than in the field of Economics? Why didn’t he pursue a PhD in Economics or some other useful field of study related to making the Philippines a better place for God’s sake?!?
Why was Noynoy’s private sector career lackluster. He wasn’t a star employee. In fact, he worked mostly for FAMILY. Walang real corporate stardom. Kulelat talaga.
Then when he enters the legislature talagang doon lumabas ang kawalan ng galing.
It’s so glaringly obvious that this Noynoy guy has absolutely nothing to show for all the years he spent in the legislature, my gosh, pasalamat siya sa pangalan niyang “Benigno S. Aquino III” kasi yung ang rason kung bakit siya nahahalal.
And that’s exactly the same thing that keeps him in the surveys. Pero you know what, the surveys are rigged. And even if they’re rigged, HIS SURVEY PERFORMANCE IS DECLINING!
So you know, wala na talaga. The only reason why Noynoy was getting support was because people wanted to say “thank you” to Cory Aquino after the funeral. Emotional at sentimental ang mga Pinoy eh. But you know, it’s wearing off.
Really, Engineer Jonathan Francisco and Hustisya, you guys know that your candidate sucks balls. You know that Noynoy is a loser. You know that Noynoy – if he wins – is not going to deliver.
You know that Noynoy NEVER DELIVERED. You know that Noynoy isn’t very intelligent. You know that Noynoy is not inspiring. You know that Noynoy…
…WON’T
…MAKE
…A
…GOOD
…LEADER
You know that deep down, Engineer Jonathan Francisco and Hustisya and Dennis and all you people who foolishly don’t use your God-given brains to think properly about the future of the Philippines.
Putangina, are you guys serious about the future? You guys are no different from the people who voted Erap in 1998. Puro kayo starstruck ignoramuses… I stand corrected: You are NAME-STRUCK IGNORAMUSES kasi di naman star si Noynoy, he only has the name.
You people totally got it wrong. There’s nothing backing Noynoy up in terms of personality, credentials, abilities, achievements, or even visions. WALA. ZERO. NADA.
All you have in Noynoy is HIS NAME. His father’s name. That’s all.
Now you know what, all you Noynoy-lovers out there? You make the rest of the world look down on Filipinos. Kasi lumabas na sa news na may frenzy raw ang mga Filipino for Noynoy all because of his name. And it’s out in the international news na wala talagang kwenta si Noynoy.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/09/philippines.aquino.candidacy/index.html
Look at this. Labas sa CNN yan! People from other countries read this shit and they look at Noynoy and say “What the fuck? All this lazy guy has in his favor is his family name, and while he did nothing, Filipinos are going to make this idiot win?”
Guess what people: IT’S UNANIMOUS.
Everyone knows that Noynoy’s career has been lackluster. And what’s worse, it’s not like he’s a smart under-achiever. NO. He’s NOT SMART and he’s an UNDER-ACHIEVER. There is nothing in Noynoy to boost him. Nothing in Noynoy BUT HIS NAME to make up for his shortcomings.
And yet you have idiots like MLQ3 rooting for him making excuses and justifications for why Noynoy “should be chosen over other more qualified people.” Bull shit. You’re a fucking asshole, MLQ3.
You won’t even answer simple questions asked of you. What a sissy.
And you people: Dennis, Hustisya, and “Engineer” Jonathan Francsico…
Do you have brains? Do you have any sense of self-worth as a Filipino?!?
Can’t you people see that you’re destroying the Philippines by actively CHOOSING MEDIOCRITY?!?! As everyone knows, NOYNOY ONLY HAS the AQUINO NAME.
No achievements, no credentials, no abilities, no smarts, no insights, no special skills, no ability to inspire people, BULOL, lousy in debates, lousy on the floor (ika nga ni Satur), wishy-washy.
Talagang walang kwenta. Tapos yun ang gusto niyong maging Presidente ng Pilipinas?!?
Gusto niyo tanga at walang alam ang magiging representante ng Pilipinas sa APEC, ASEAN, UN, at iba pang mga international organizations?!?
Tangina niyo talaga. Parang ibinalik niyo si ERAP!
Wala na talaga ang Pinas kung masusunod ang kagustuhan ng mga tanga’t bobo katulad ninyo: MLQ3, Dennis, Hustisya, at Jonathan “the Engineer” Francisco.
Noynoy has nothing to show. Noynoy has been a disgrace to the legislature. And Noynoy has been a burden to his own Aquino siblings so much so that they really didn’t know what to do with him until this “chance-for-him-to-be-someone” came up as a result of their mother’s death.
But you know, IT’S UNFAIR TO UNLEASH THEIR IDIOT BROTHER ON THE PHILIPPINES.
He’ll ruin the Philippines. He will be the Lopez’ and oligarch’s puppet. You know why that mother-fucker NOYNOY is anti-Charter Change?!?
Because his Lopez and other oligarch backers told him to keep the 1987 Constitution AS IS para di ma-change ang mga “60-40″ pro-Filipino protectionist provisions for the economy!
Ayaw ng mga Lopez at iba pang mga hacendero na i-open up ang Philippine Economy to foreign investment on a wider scale kasi takot sila na magkakaroon sila ng competition at mawawala ang kanilang monopoly!!
That’s why these fuckers are anti-Charter Change. And that’s why the Noynoy PLATFORM is anti-Charter Change.
Guess what you pro-Noynoy idiots:
Mananatiling mahirap ang karamihan sa mga Pilipino kung di aayusin ang mga protectionist provisions sa Constitution kasi kailangan natin ng foreign investors para magkaroon ng INSTANTANOUS EMPLOYMENT and INSTANT JOB CREATION.
Eh kung puro tayo “Filipino companies only”, then you are going to need to wait for years before big companies emerge that will be able to create employment for the growing population of unemployed and underemployed Filipinos!
Kaya nga ang daming puta/prosti at maid na Pinay sa iba’t-ibang bansa eh. Kasi walang mga trabaho sa Pinas dahil konti lang naman ang may kakayahang gumawa ng malaking kumpanya na kayang mag-hire ng maraming tao na maganda ang pasweldo…
But if you did Charter Change and removed those fucking primitive protectionist provisions, instantaneously, papasok ang mga foreign companies who can INSTANTLY SET UP big well-run functioning companies that will create INSTANT EMPLOYMENT for millions of people.
But of course, ayaw ng mga Lopez at iba pang oligarchs yan. Kasi kung pumasok ang mga foreign companies, competition yan para sa mga monopolies ng mga hacendero family-owned companies!
Kaya nila binabank-roll ang kandidatura ni NOYNOY kasi TANGA SI NOYNOY at iniisip lang ni Noynoy ay “ayokong baguhin ang ginawa ni Mommy.”
Tanga!
Do what’s best for the Filipinos, you idiot Noynoy!
If Filipinos need jobs, fuckin’ invite foreign companies into the Philippines to create INSTANT JOBS para wala ng hintayan, never mind that your ninongs and ninangs from the Lopez clan will get mad! Because by opening up the country to foreign investment, you create jobs that are much needed by the poor!
Pero yun na nga: TANGA SI NOYNOY. Kahit anong gawin, ayaw niya raw baguhin ang Saligang Batas na itinatag ng Nanay niya.
Kaya ayan mga kababayan… Gusto ninyo ng NOYNOY?
Humanda kayo sa pagsasara ng ekonomiya sa competition. Dadami ang mga international maids at prostis kasi walang mahanap silang mga trabaho sa Pinas.
Ganyan kabobo si Noynoy. Di niya alam na may problema ang Saligang Batas ng Mommy niya.
O ano? Noynoy pa rin kayo?
Alam niyo naman na wala naman siya talagang alam eh. Alam niyo naman talaga na wala siyang kakayahan eh.
Alam niyo naman na APELYIDO lang naman ang meron siya eh.
O e di bakit pa rin kayo maka-Noynoy?!? Tanga lang ang mananatiling maka-Noynoy kahit alam niyang walang kwenta si Noynoy!
Hustisya,
I’m back.
Had a nice cocktail drinking session with two beautiful chicks. Inggit ka, ano? 
Alam niyo, yang style ni Hustisya na multiple hirits, LBM ang tawag dyan eh. Pururut. Just look at that guy come out with multiple one-liners. Isn’t that lame?
Yan ang talo. Di niya nga kasi ma-defend si Noynoy kasi nga totoo naman na di naman talaga handa si Noynoy na maging presidente ng bansa. Gosh, di nga puedeng maging lider ng partido eh, presidente pa kaya?
Ganito lang naman eh. Si Hustisya ang tipong nawawalan na rin ng bilib kay Noynoy kaya grasping at straws na siya at talagang na high-blood na.
Alam mo ba sinong dapat sisihin? Yang mga campaign manager ni Noynoy at pati na rin ang mga pumilit kay Noynoy na tumakbo based solely sa funeral ni Cory.
Alam niyo ba, di naman titirahin si Noynoy kung di siya tumakbo eh. Kasi nga naman, to begin with, wala naman talaga siyang ambition at all. At wala siyang ambition kasi alam niyang wala siyang kakayahan. Kaya nga Noynoy never took the proper steps to prepare himself for the presidency.
Let me ask, why didn’t Noynoy take up masters or an MBA? Why didn’t he even try out for a PhD in Economics? I mean, he’s rich already, so ok lang naman na puro siya aral nang aral.
If he really was serious about making the Philippines a better place, he’d at least try to first LEARN how to make the Philippines a better place. What better place than in the field of Economics? Why didn’t he pursue a PhD in Economics or some other useful field of study related to making the Philippines a better place for God’s sake?!?
Why was Noynoy’s private sector career lackluster. He wasn’t a star employee. In fact, he worked mostly for FAMILY. Walang real corporate stardom. Kulelat talaga.
Then when he enters the legislature talagang doon lumabas ang kawalan ng galing.
It’s so glaringly obvious that this Noynoy guy has absolutely nothing to show for all the years he spent in the legislature, my gosh, pasalamat siya sa pangalan niyang “Benigno S. Aquino III†kasi yung ang rason kung bakit siya nahahalal.
And that’s exactly the same thing that keeps him in the surveys. Pero you know what, the surveys are rigged. And even if they’re rigged, HIS SURVEY PERFORMANCE IS DECLINING!
So you know, wala na talaga. The only reason why Noynoy was getting support was because people wanted to say “thank you†to Cory Aquino after the funeral. Emotional at sentimental ang mga Pinoy eh. But you know, it’s wearing off.
Really, Engineer Jonathan Francisco and Hustisya, you guys know that your candidate sucks balls. You know that Noynoy is a loser. You know that Noynoy – if he wins – is not going to deliver.
You know that Noynoy NEVER DELIVERED. You know that Noynoy isn’t very intelligent. You know that Noynoy is not inspiring. You know that Noynoy…
…WON’T
…MAKE
…A
…GOOD
…LEADER
You know that deep down, Engineer Jonathan Francisco and Hustisya and Dennis and all you people who foolishly don’t use your God-given brains to think properly about the future of the Philippines.
Putangina, are you guys serious about the future? You guys are no different from the people who voted Erap in 1998. Puro kayo starstruck ignoramuses… I stand corrected: You are NAME-STRUCK IGNORAMUSES kasi di naman star si Noynoy, he only has the name.
You people totally got it wrong. There’s nothing backing Noynoy up in terms of personality, credentials, abilities, achievements, or even visions. WALA. ZERO. NADA.
All you have in Noynoy is HIS NAME. His father’s name. That’s all.
Now you know what, all you Noynoy-lovers out there? You make the rest of the world look down on Filipinos. Kasi lumabas na sa news na may frenzy raw ang mga Filipino for Noynoy all because of his name. And it’s out in the international news na wala talagang kwenta si Noynoy.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/09/philippines.aquino.candidacy/index.html
Look at this. Labas sa CNN yan! People from other countries read this shit and they look at Noynoy and say “What the fuck? All this lazy guy has in his favor is his family name, and while he did nothing, Filipinos are going to make this idiot win?â€
Guess what people: IT’S UNANIMOUS.
Everyone knows that Noynoy’s career has been lackluster. And what’s worse, it’s not like he’s a smart under-achiever. NO. He’s NOT SMART and he’s an UNDER-ACHIEVER. There is nothing in Noynoy to boost him. Nothing in Noynoy BUT HIS NAME to make up for his shortcomings.
And yet you have idiots like MLQ3 rooting for him making excuses and justifications for why Noynoy “should be chosen over other more qualified people.†Bull shit. You’re a fucking asshole, MLQ3.
You won’t even answer simple questions asked of you. What a sissy.
You people: Dennis, Hustisya, and “Engineer†Jonathan Francsico…
Do you have brains? Do you have any sense of self-worth as a Filipino?!?
Can’t you people see that you’re destroying the Philippines by actively CHOOSING MEDIOCRITY?!?! As everyone knows, NOYNOY ONLY HAS the AQUINO NAME.
No achievements, no credentials, no abilities, no smarts, no insights, no special skills, no ability to inspire people, BULOL, lousy in debates, lousy on the floor (ika nga ni Satur), wishy-washy.
Talagang walang kwenta. Tapos yun ang gusto niyong maging Presidente ng Pilipinas?!?
Gusto niyo tanga at walang alam ang magiging representante ng Pilipinas sa APEC, ASEAN, UN, at iba pang mga international organizations?!?
Tangina niyo talaga. Parang ibinalik niyo si ERAP!
Wala na talaga ang Pinas kung masusunod ang kagustuhan ng mga tanga’t bobo katulad ninyo: MLQ3, Dennis, Hustisya, at Jonathan “the Engineer†Francisco.
Noynoy has nothing to show. Noynoy has been a disgrace to the legislature. And Noynoy has been a burden to his own Aquino siblings so much so that they really didn’t know what to do with him until this “chance-for-him-to-be-someone†came up as a result of their mother’s death.
But you know, IT’S UNFAIR TO UNLEASH THEIR IDIOT BROTHER ON THE PHILIPPINES.
He’ll ruin the Philippines. He will be the Lopez’ and oligarch’s puppet. You know why that mother-fucker NOYNOY is anti-Charter Change?!?
Because his Lopez and other oligarch backers told him to keep the 1987 Constitution AS IS para di ma-change ang mga “60-40? pro-Filipino protectionist provisions for the economy!
Ayaw ng mga Lopez at iba pang mga hacendero na i-open up ang Philippine Economy to foreign investment on a wider scale kasi takot sila na magkakaroon sila ng competition at mawawala ang kanilang monopoly!!
That’s why these fuckers are anti-Charter Change. And that’s why the Noynoy PLATFORM is anti-Charter Change.
Guess what you pro-Noynoy idiots:
Mananatiling mahirap ang karamihan sa mga Pilipino kung di aayusin ang mga protectionist provisions sa Constitution kasi kailangan natin ng foreign investors para magkaroon ng INSTANTANOUS EMPLOYMENT and INSTANT JOB CREATION.
Eh kung puro tayo “Filipino companies onlyâ€, then you are going to need to wait for years before big companies emerge that will be able to create employment for the growing population of unemployed and underemployed Filipinos!
Kaya nga ang daming puta/prosti at maid na Pinay sa iba’t-ibang bansa eh. Kasi walang mga trabaho sa Pinas dahil konti lang naman ang may kakayahang gumawa ng malaking kumpanya na kayang mag-hire ng maraming tao na maganda ang pasweldo…
But if you did Charter Change and removed those fucking primitive protectionist provisions, instantaneously, papasok ang mga foreign companies who can INSTANTLY SET UP big well-run functioning companies that will create INSTANT EMPLOYMENT for millions of people.
But of course, ayaw ng mga Lopez at iba pang oligarchs yan. Kasi kung pumasok ang mga foreign companies, competition yan para sa mga monopolies ng mga hacendero family-owned companies!
Kaya nila binabank-roll ang kandidatura ni NOYNOY kasi TANGA SI NOYNOY at iniisip lang ni Noynoy ay “ayokong baguhin ang ginawa ni Mommy.â€
Tanga!
Do what’s best for the Filipinos, you idiot Noynoy!
If Filipinos need jobs, fuckin’ invite foreign companies into the Philippines to create INSTANT JOBS para wala ng hintayan, never mind that your ninongs and ninangs from the Lopez clan will get mad! Because by opening up the country to foreign investment, you create jobs that are much needed by the poor!
Pero yun na nga: TANGA SI NOYNOY. Kahit anong gawin, ayaw niya raw baguhin ang Saligang Batas na itinatag ng Nanay niya.
Kaya ayan mga kababayan… Gusto ninyo ng NOYNOY?
Humanda kayo sa pagsasara ng ekonomiya sa competition. Dadami ang mga international maids at prostis kasi walang mahanap silang mga trabaho sa Pinas.
Ganyan kabobo si Noynoy. Di niya alam na may problema ang Saligang Batas ng Mommy niya.
O ano? Noynoy pa rin kayo?
Alam niyo naman na wala naman siya talagang alam eh. Alam niyo naman talaga na wala siyang kakayahan eh.
Alam niyo naman na APELYIDO lang naman ang meron siya eh.
O e di bakit pa rin kayo maka-Noynoy?!? Tanga lang ang mananatiling maka-Noynoy kahit alam niyang walang kwenta si Noynoy!
Halatang halata na ayaw mo makita ng iba na natalo ang mga Noynoy supporters sa debate, Manolo. May good points sina Nick, betterphil, benigno and si jim (my friend na bina-block mo comments just to give Noynoy supporters an advantage sa argument).
Not only do you block some comments pero naglulusot ng iba just to make your blog look democratic, now itinatago mo itong post na ito sa archives agad kahit medyo bago pa. What kind of Filipino are you?
My family never should have given Noynoy the benefit of the doubt.