Comments on: The Long View: Back to the future http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:45:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Long View: Opportunities hidden in the numbers : Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1075824 The Long View: Opportunities hidden in the numbers : Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:12:58 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1075824 [...] the People: How Candidates view The People as Electors, my columns Brains without bodies (2) and Back to the Future, and Pulse Asia’s February 2009 Survey on the May 2010 Elections: The Undecided in [...] [...] the People: How Candidates view The People as Electors, my columns Brains without bodies (2) and Back to the Future, and Pulse Asia’s February 2009 Survey on the May 2010 Elections: The Undecided in [...]

]]> By: d0d0ng http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069684 d0d0ng Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:55:01 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069684 "And another dynamic was at work, as much reconfiguration and reunion of Marcos and disgruntled left as it was his own charisma." ============================================================== Fun 1: I never imagine the excommies and Marcos would be on the same bed, covered under the same cozy blanket of books-schemer-extraordinaire Manny Villar. Fun 2: The rule of division with Erap and Villar as spoilers is hurting more on Arroyo's Gibo party (pushing it farther down the list) than of Noynoy's. The economic doctorate Gloria Arroyo is more appreciative of Murphy's law at works now than ever before. Fun 3: The septuagenarian Erap (Mr Bionic)and Binay are free to pursue their political fantasy as champion of the poor as long as they dole out some of their wealth to the poor. Makati has not been exactly a sanctuary for the poor. Have fun! “And another dynamic was at work, as much reconfiguration and reunion of Marcos and disgruntled left as it was his own charisma.”

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Fun 1:
I never imagine the excommies and Marcos would be on the same bed, covered under the same cozy blanket of books-schemer-extraordinaire Manny Villar.

Fun 2:
The rule of division with Erap and Villar as spoilers is hurting more on Arroyo’s Gibo party (pushing it farther down the list) than of Noynoy’s. The economic doctorate Gloria Arroyo is more appreciative of Murphy’s law at works now than ever before.

Fun 3:
The septuagenarian Erap (Mr Bionic)and Binay are free to pursue their political fantasy as champion of the poor as long as they dole out some of their wealth to the poor. Makati has not been exactly a sanctuary for the poor.

Have fun!

]]> By: d0d0ng http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069669 d0d0ng Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:50:59 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069669 Carl on, "d0d0ng, the absurdity of your logic is comical." "Are you one of those Mafiosi being alluded to? Why are you so defensive?" =============================================================== Carl - obviously your demolition job of Noynoy as Mafiosi based entirely on Serge Osmena absurd accusation cannot fooled anyone. Even your personal attacks showed how desperate your are, which is something I truly enjoy, no offense however. ;) Carl on,

“d0d0ng, the absurdity of your logic is comical.”

“Are you one of those Mafiosi being alluded to? Why are you so defensive?”

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Carl – obviously your demolition job of Noynoy as Mafiosi based entirely on Serge Osmena absurd accusation cannot fooled anyone. Even your personal attacks showed how desperate your are, which is something I truly enjoy, no offense however. ;)

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069661 mlq3 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:03:26 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069661 SoP difference between mass anointed and anointed by broad cross section of the public. And another dynamic was at work, as much reconfiguration and reunion of Marcos and disgruntled left as it was his own charisma. SoP difference between mass anointed and anointed by broad cross section of the public. And another dynamic was at work, as much reconfiguration and reunion of Marcos and disgruntled left as it was his own charisma.

]]> By: SoP http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069660 SoP Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:42:44 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069660 How could that veteran observer not include Erap as mass anointed? The oligarchs certainly didn't put him up there, nor were they happy that he was in the shortlist. Fact is, the oligarchs deposed Erap. How could that veteran observer not include Erap as mass anointed? The oligarchs certainly didn’t put him up there, nor were they happy that he was in the shortlist. Fact is, the oligarchs deposed Erap.

]]> By: SoP http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069659 SoP Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:54 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069659 Seems to me that the masses and the incumbent administration are the main drivers to anointing leaders, with the oligarchs courting these leaders after the fact, not before they become president. Seems to me that the masses and the incumbent administration are the main drivers to anointing leaders, with the oligarchs courting these leaders after the fact, not before they become president.

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069658 mlq3 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:19 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069658 under normal circumstances the political class dictates the short list from which the public has to choose. rare exceptions when public clamor dictates the short list or top contender and everyone else used to calling the shots have to scramble to adjust when it represents general inconvenience all around for those used to calling the shots. one veteran observer suggested to me has happened only thrice: magsaysay, cory, and noynoy. under normal circumstances the political class dictates the short list from which the public has to choose. rare exceptions when public clamor dictates the short list or top contender and everyone else used to calling the shots have to scramble to adjust when it represents general inconvenience all around for those used to calling the shots. one veteran observer suggested to me has happened only thrice: magsaysay, cory, and noynoy.

]]> By: SoP http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069656 SoP Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:32:23 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069656 Is oligarchic support a figment of our imagination? If we evaluate our last four presidents: GMA - 2nd term was won by cuddling congressmen and mayors, 1st term by happenstance Erap - so popular didn't need one despite Lucio Tan's support FVR - support came solely from payback from Cory for supporting EDSA 1 Cory - stamp of approval came from masses Are we giving oligarchs too much credit for shaping our national politics? Will Noynoy be the exception to oligarchic support, rather than the rule? Is oligarchic support a figment of our imagination? If we evaluate our last four presidents:
GMA – 2nd term was won by cuddling congressmen and mayors, 1st term by happenstance
Erap – so popular didn’t need one despite Lucio Tan’s support
FVR – support came solely from payback from Cory for supporting EDSA 1
Cory – stamp of approval came from masses

Are we giving oligarchs too much credit for shaping our national politics? Will Noynoy be the exception to oligarchic support, rather than the rule?

]]> By: The Cusp http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069560 The Cusp Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:07:08 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069560 Having stated that transactional family dominated politics is here to stay, I still appreciate the huge disparity in governance that can occur within this domain. It is still possible within this framework to have a benevolent president as we did under Cory and Ramos pushing for reforms and using patronage in Congress to achieve it. That is hugely different from a corruptible president extending patronage to his or her cronies as may be said was the case under Marcos and Erap. GMA was a cross between the two. Having addressed the budget deficit and delivered strong economic growth, her leadership was weakened due to lingering questions of legitimacy. This weakness was exploited by her financiers and political allies. The next president wants to win with a large enough margin to gain legitimacy for his reform mandate, but in doing so needs to establish strong local networks which entails some kind of reciprocity. The one who maximises electoral success with the least amount of political debts will be in the best position to lead the country. Assuming that his intentions are noble, a lot can be done. Having stated that transactional family dominated politics is here to stay, I still appreciate the huge disparity in governance that can occur within this domain.

It is still possible within this framework to have a benevolent president as we did under Cory and Ramos pushing for reforms and using patronage in Congress to achieve it.

That is hugely different from a corruptible president extending patronage to his or her cronies as may be said was the case under Marcos and Erap.

GMA was a cross between the two. Having addressed the budget deficit and delivered strong economic growth, her leadership was weakened due to lingering questions of legitimacy. This weakness was exploited by her financiers and political allies.

The next president wants to win with a large enough margin to gain legitimacy for his reform mandate, but in doing so needs to establish strong local networks which entails some kind of reciprocity.

The one who maximises electoral success with the least amount of political debts will be in the best position to lead the country. Assuming that his intentions are noble, a lot can be done.

]]> By: grd http://www.quezon.ph/2009/11/19/the-long-view-back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-1069524 grd Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:50:46 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=3576#comment-1069524 SoP, you missed taking your pill again. SoP, you missed taking your pill again.

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