Comments on: The Long View: Comelec lays down case for persecution

By: equal rights

equal rights — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:38:46 +0000

this is an excerpt from the pbb live streaming.. a solid proof of discrimination!

context: house b boys talking about rica (transgender housemate)

rob: dude wag na lang tayo matulog tonight… or wag na lang kayo maglasing…
rocky: hindi talaga ko maglalasing… takot ko lang
rob: dude dibale di naman ako malalasing… bantayan ko na lang kayo kay half-half..
rocky: hehehe
rob: dude masaya kaya yung party mamaya? sana talaga sila mariel pa rin noh
rocky: sana nga
rob: what’s the point of having fun kung puro mumu naman kasama

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rocky: tol intact pa ba yung kay samson-delilah?
rob: yeah alam ko it’s still there… why did you ask?
rocky: hehe para alam ko kung san ako aatake pag ginapang ako
rob: dudee!!! ayos ah!

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Rob: jackpot talaga sila doon!
Rocky: jackpot din naman tayo dito ah, meron tayong Samson at Delilah sa isang katawan!
Patrick: ganyan talaga ang buhay, may nalalamangan…
Rob: ayaw kong mag-jacuzzi!
Hermes:it sucks to be us right now
Rob: kahapon, parang DUDE! ngayon parang WHAT?!!!
Patrick: ituring din natin silang ordinaryong tao…
House B boys: hahahahaaha!
Rocky: di ba sila mga ordinaryong tao?! hehehe

By: d0d0ng

d0d0ng — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:34:41 +0000

Carl, the junking of sabungero party list is fixable when the party will submit the required by-laws later. The Comelec did not close the door on sabungero by reason of “immorality” and “inimical to youth’s interest” like what it did in LADLAD.

You gave too much credit on religion influence in recent rejection in California and Maine. That is not the case. In fact, the parental consent abortion bill lost (which is supported by the Church) when the same voters rejected same-sex-marriage. Majority of the voters, regardless of religion simply did not want to change the definition of marriage as between man and woman.

On your comment that “Philippine society makes a distinction between tolerance and licentiousness” is too much hype just because a few religious zealots sitting in the Comelec imposed their religious beliefs. In fact, the senators have voiced out against such wrong decision by the Comelec.

By: UP n grad

UP n grad — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:34:42 +0000

It may take effort to be informed, but if you do not know what the law says (you can be as brave as you want to be, but) be fair and ramp down a bit before asking someone else to take “tangling-with-the-police” risks.

By: UP n grad

UP n grad — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:28:50 +0000

… or maybe the action is to see that Miriam-Santiago and/or Ruffy Biazon do not get re-elected.

By: UP n grad

UP n grad — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:27:31 +0000

The importance of encoded laws is that they set limits on what can and can be enforced by the police. A male-dressed-in-skirt/wearing-heels can be forced out from a Muslim temple — there is no law that says that the temple is required to accept any and all. Same with a restaurant (not known if it is the same with a post-office branch or, say, a Highways Department office).

If sex between two consenting same-sex adults is illegal even in the privacy of one’s apartment (NOTE: Wikipedia says “not illegal” for Pilipinas), then an action especially for May2010 is to elect in not only pro-RH candidates but candidates who will help Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Ruffy Biazon re-define the appropriate Pinas laws. [Remember that United Nations Declarations and other documents are practically only for guidance. Pinas laws (even if considered obsolete by the under-35 age group) have precedence over United nations documents.]

By: Carl

Carl — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:44:57 +0000

I do believe that the Sabungero party list group wasn’t accredited by Comelec. Click on the link: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/175048/comelec-junks-cockfighters-party-list-bid

As for strictly separating Church and State, that is more of an ideal than reality. Even the U.S., which strongly advocates such, religion still exercises strong influence on government. While I personally don’t approve of the encroachments of the religious right, it must be admitted that they are a force to reckon with. Witness, for example, how voters in very liberal states like California and Maine rejected same-sex marriages.

Religion even plays a powerful role in the present health-care bill being worked upon in the U.S. congress. Pro-life advocates could tilt the balance on whether Americans get a comprehensive health care bill.

As for the Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality, I believe that it is very consistent and unequivocal, whether one agrees with its basic principle or not: natural law tells us that sex is for procreation, therefore sex between those of the same sex is unnatural because it clearly is not procreative.

Philippine society is very tolerant of gays. However, at this point, it makes a distinction between tolerance and licentiousness.

By: d0d0ng

d0d0ng — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:22:13 +0000

UP n grad, “No one here really knows if same-sex sex in the privacy of a motel room or one’s bedroom is legal in Luzon, is it?”

The answer is that government has no business in private affairs.

By: d0d0ng

d0d0ng — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:16:27 +0000

Carl on, “While Catholicism frowns upon homosexuality because it is considered be contrary to the natural law, wherein sex is used for procreation, it is far more tolerant to gays than other religions.”

This is the test case of the Catholicism tolerance which is only a perception.

1. The recent Comelec decision is Church intrusion into state domain by which Commissioner Ferrer quoted the bible as its basis. The application of morality is clearly discriminatory where it denies accreditation of LADLAD on the grounds “immorality” and “for being inimical to the interest of the youth”. Yet the Comelec accredited cockfighters as a party which has no morality value and patently inimical to the youth’s interest.

2. Previously the Church dangles excommunication to the legislators who supported the reproductive health bill.

The Church with its natural law and procreation stance have driven this tiny country into overpopulation and human disaster.

How far more that Catholic religion can brought damage to this country by its faithful members implementing the Church edict?

By: UP n grad

UP n grad — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:50:27 +0000

No one here really knows if same-sex sex in the privacy of a motel room or one’s bedroom is legal in Luzon, is it? [Chances are it is illegal in Mindanao -- something about sharia.]

By: d0d0ng

d0d0ng — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:34:26 +0000

Brian B on, “Real conservatives should stand up for their beliefs. This will leave the extremist out in the open.”

In plural society, people regardless of color, sex, religion and opinion will co-exist. Pushing morality issue is already done by the church to its members. There is no need for the church to impose it on other groups by way of its members who sit as public official. Those who hold public office should observe separation of church and state. If they cannot, they should resign like the Comelec commissioners.