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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/10/19/the-long-view-brazen/comment-page-1/#comment-1067992</link>
		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anak ng pating... nasira pa yung &quot;d0d0ng&#039;s Resort&quot;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anak ng pating&#8230; nasira pa yung &#8220;d0d0ng&#8217;s Resort&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RAM</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/10/19/the-long-view-brazen/comment-page-1/#comment-1067472</link>
		<dc:creator>RAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard of the Robbery @ Greenbelt 5, reminds me of the attempted snatching of my daughter(s) bag, etc. Last August 10/09&#039;. That group was very organized also, meaning more than one snatcher/perpetrator, possibly 10 or more we were told. When identified (as in foiled attempt) the &quot;snatcher&quot; was very angry; coming back around directly towards myself in an attempt to get to my daughter(s). This happened at 5:00pm inside a very busy Glorietta, Makati. &quot;Glad to hear some of the robbers were hunted down; Kudos to the NBI team who acted so quickly.&quot; Now the &quot;living&quot; captured member needs to be interrogated and the &quot;Head&quot; of this organization prosecuted with extreme prejudice to send a STRONG message to any and all organized criminal groups operating in the Philippines. &quot;These criminal activities are not going to be tolerated any longer; the Philippines is CLOSED to ALL criminals,(politically connected or otherwise). When this happens the Philippines can then once again look at becoming the strong Asian Tiger it once was.(Read pre Dictator era)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heard of the Robbery @ Greenbelt 5, reminds me of the attempted snatching of my daughter(s) bag, etc. Last August 10/09&#8242;. That group was very organized also, meaning more than one snatcher/perpetrator, possibly 10 or more we were told. When identified (as in foiled attempt) the &#8220;snatcher&#8221; was very angry; coming back around directly towards myself in an attempt to get to my daughter(s). This happened at 5:00pm inside a very busy Glorietta, Makati. &#8220;Glad to hear some of the robbers were hunted down; Kudos to the NBI team who acted so quickly.&#8221; Now the &#8220;living&#8221; captured member needs to be interrogated and the &#8220;Head&#8221; of this organization prosecuted with extreme prejudice to send a STRONG message to any and all organized criminal groups operating in the Philippines. &#8220;These criminal activities are not going to be tolerated any longer; the Philippines is CLOSED to ALL criminals,(politically connected or otherwise). When this happens the Philippines can then once again look at becoming the strong Asian Tiger it once was.(Read pre Dictator era)!</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oct 30 Update:

Combined NBI agents from Manila and Cebu engaged and killed Alvin Flores and another 3 inside the beach resort 25 kms north of Cebu. The local police was not even aware of the NBI operation until after the shootout and were only allowed to enter the compound few hours later for retrieval of the bodies.

Despite a wide manhunt by the PNP, it is believed that Alvin Flores had never been caught because of various tipsters from authorities and police.

It was not an easy task for the NBI since the place (north of Cebu) is a tourist destination and also smugglers fave R&amp;R with local protection.

This is probably one operation that NBI agents had to wear masks to keep their identities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oct 30 Update:</p>
<p>Combined NBI agents from Manila and Cebu engaged and killed Alvin Flores and another 3 inside the beach resort 25 kms north of Cebu. The local police was not even aware of the NBI operation until after the shootout and were only allowed to enter the compound few hours later for retrieval of the bodies.</p>
<p>Despite a wide manhunt by the PNP, it is believed that Alvin Flores had never been caught because of various tipsters from authorities and police.</p>
<p>It was not an easy task for the NBI since the place (north of Cebu) is a tourist destination and also smugglers fave R&amp;R with local protection.</p>
<p>This is probably one operation that NBI agents had to wear masks to keep their identities.</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/10/19/the-long-view-brazen/comment-page-1/#comment-1065366</link>
		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dead robber is identified as 32 yr old CAFGU from Isabela. Review of CCTVs diclosed that the group entered into the mall as customers and changed into their bomb squad uniform inside a parked van. There may have been 11 involved with 7 going into the Rolex store and the rest as lookouts, blocking force and exit units.

The run of the mill execution is pinned down on Alvin Flores, a dismissed officer with SWAT experience. His group is responsible for 60 violent killings including the Paranaque shootout that killed 18 (12 were robbers). The robbery is usually over by 5 minutes. Critical specialty of the group is their multiple exit points and rapid escape once a shot is fired to avoid entrapment by any responding police force (like the one in Paranaque with various police units involved). The make up of the group raiding team which could reach up to 20 is unknown until the day of briefing, distribution of weapons and the robbery. Alvin tapped ex military/police for efficiency. Since he operates from Luzon to Mindanao, his cooling place following the robbery is far from the recent operation and has avoided detection once the authorities are hot on his trail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dead robber is identified as 32 yr old CAFGU from Isabela. Review of CCTVs diclosed that the group entered into the mall as customers and changed into their bomb squad uniform inside a parked van. There may have been 11 involved with 7 going into the Rolex store and the rest as lookouts, blocking force and exit units.</p>
<p>The run of the mill execution is pinned down on Alvin Flores, a dismissed officer with SWAT experience. His group is responsible for 60 violent killings including the Paranaque shootout that killed 18 (12 were robbers). The robbery is usually over by 5 minutes. Critical specialty of the group is their multiple exit points and rapid escape once a shot is fired to avoid entrapment by any responding police force (like the one in Paranaque with various police units involved). The make up of the group raiding team which could reach up to 20 is unknown until the day of briefing, distribution of weapons and the robbery. Alvin tapped ex military/police for efficiency. Since he operates from Luzon to Mindanao, his cooling place following the robbery is far from the recent operation and has avoided detection once the authorities are hot on his trail.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Someone is making an assumption that mall security guards are well trained, can differentiate bad guys from civilians, and that they can shoot straight.&quot;



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Security agencies charge a lot for these security guards. For the kind of money paid to the agencies, it should be assumed that they are well-trained and can shoot straight. 

As a matter of fact, security agencies are big business. And many, if not most, of them are owned and operated by high-ranking retired military and police officers.

Of course, we can assume that, out of the money that malls pay the agency, only a small portion goes to training, hardware and to the personnel. The lion&#039;s share goes to the pockets of these retired officers. After all, old habits from the Armed Forces and the PNP die hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Someone is making an assumption that mall security guards are well trained, can differentiate bad guys from civilians, and that they can shoot straight.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Security agencies charge a lot for these security guards. For the kind of money paid to the agencies, it should be assumed that they are well-trained and can shoot straight. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, security agencies are big business. And many, if not most, of them are owned and operated by high-ranking retired military and police officers.</p>
<p>Of course, we can assume that, out of the money that malls pay the agency, only a small portion goes to training, hardware and to the personnel. The lion&#8217;s share goes to the pockets of these retired officers. After all, old habits from the Armed Forces and the PNP die hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The mall security guards should have shot it out with the bad guys&quot;, says Chief Superintendent Ireno Bacolod, head of the Civil Security Group in-charge of the countryâ€™s security guards and agencies. &quot;the security guards, being force multipliers of policemen, should assist in whatever police operation as needed&quot;, he said.

Because of the incident, Bacolod said that the policeâ€™s Security Agencies and Guards Supervision Division (SAGSD) is studying possible administrative sanctions to security guards detailed during the robbery.

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Someone is making an assumption that mall security guards are well trained, can differentiate bad guys from civilians, and that they can shoot straight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The mall security guards should have shot it out with the bad guys&#8221;, says Chief Superintendent Ireno Bacolod, head of the Civil Security Group in-charge of the countryâ€™s security guards and agencies. &#8220;the security guards, being force multipliers of policemen, should assist in whatever police operation as needed&#8221;, he said.</p>
<p>Because of the incident, Bacolod said that the policeâ€™s Security Agencies and Guards Supervision Division (SAGSD) is studying possible administrative sanctions to security guards detailed during the robbery.</p>
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Someone is making an assumption that mall security guards are well trained, can differentiate bad guys from civilians, and that they can shoot straight.</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cheapest rolex is close to a half million pesos. Not bad for the robbers if they were successful.

With M14 equipped with grenade launcher and armor vests, the robbery is well financed that could point to the military. But the brief fight and scampering to escape gave out that robbers have no military training except watching action movies glorifying high powered weapons and armor plating. It could not even engage longer on 2 police who did not have body protection and armed only with 45 and 9 mm.

The dead robber is evidently young and handsome by the picture. Another rich family will soon claim of the missing son, a tragedy of a spoiled son who with similar friends can only think of quick rich and adventure without thinking of consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cheapest rolex is close to a half million pesos. Not bad for the robbers if they were successful.</p>
<p>With M14 equipped with grenade launcher and armor vests, the robbery is well financed that could point to the military. But the brief fight and scampering to escape gave out that robbers have no military training except watching action movies glorifying high powered weapons and armor plating. It could not even engage longer on 2 police who did not have body protection and armed only with 45 and 9 mm.</p>
<p>The dead robber is evidently young and handsome by the picture. Another rich family will soon claim of the missing son, a tragedy of a spoiled son who with similar friends can only think of quick rich and adventure without thinking of consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And has anybody looked at the angle of a financially distressed watch shop owner whose whose after an robbery related insurance scam? Officer Wigum should be informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And has anybody looked at the angle of a financially distressed watch shop owner whose whose after an robbery related insurance scam? Officer Wigum should be informed.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks have guards with shotguns and timelocks. A watch store has watches behind a glass cabinet. Any dumb crook knows the obvious, logical choice would be to kidnap a Chinese businessman, I mean, rob a watch store.

To the point that Rolexes have serial #s, that wouldn&#039;t deter cheapskates who are after the real rolex mccoy. There&#039;s a market for all sorts of stolen goods, and watches are the easiest to buy from the point of view of a consumer of stolen goods, as their small, innocuous, and won&#039;t be as &quot;hot&quot; as, say, a stolen car (but could be just as valuable). From the point of view of a robber financed by a fence, rolexes are a, pardon the pun, a great steal as their valuable and easily transportable and easy to conceal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks have guards with shotguns and timelocks. A watch store has watches behind a glass cabinet. Any dumb crook knows the obvious, logical choice would be to kidnap a Chinese businessman, I mean, rob a watch store.</p>
<p>To the point that Rolexes have serial #s, that wouldn&#8217;t deter cheapskates who are after the real rolex mccoy. There&#8217;s a market for all sorts of stolen goods, and watches are the easiest to buy from the point of view of a consumer of stolen goods, as their small, innocuous, and won&#8217;t be as &#8220;hot&#8221; as, say, a stolen car (but could be just as valuable). From the point of view of a robber financed by a fence, rolexes are a, pardon the pun, a great steal as their valuable and easily transportable and easy to conceal.</p>
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		<title>By: supremo</title>
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		<dc:creator>supremo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;no way to quickly verify there was a real alert and a real bomb squad dispatched&#039;

Mall security should not be armed. They should only carry hand-held radio to communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;no way to quickly verify there was a real alert and a real bomb squad dispatched&#8217;</p>
<p>Mall security should not be armed. They should only carry hand-held radio to communicate.</p>
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