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		<title>By: Focus on form &#171; Filipino Voices</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1065520</link>
		<dc:creator>Focus on form &#171; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] current political debate highlighting the political substance of Noynoy with this post of mine at mlq3â€™s website:  One should note for example the stated belief in the LP platform in â€œsocial market economy,â€ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] current political debate highlighting the political substance of Noynoy with this post of mine at mlq3â€™s website:  One should note for example the stated belief in the LP platform in â€œsocial market economy,â€ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: taxj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1064697</link>
		<dc:creator>taxj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am simply taken aback by the villification of people like Romulo. It sounds too much like the Inquisition to me.&quot; - Cusp

The elite just can&#039;t seem to do anything wrong. For them returning a favor is an honorable act. For us, the lesser endowed ones, it&#039;s an illegal commerce for which we are ridiculed and condemned no end. Utang na loob!

What&#039;s the difference between a kilo of rice and a sensitive position in government? More so if it deteriorates under your watch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am simply taken aback by the villification of people like Romulo. It sounds too much like the Inquisition to me.&#8221; &#8211; Cusp</p>
<p>The elite just can&#8217;t seem to do anything wrong. For them returning a favor is an honorable act. For us, the lesser endowed ones, it&#8217;s an illegal commerce for which we are ridiculed and condemned no end. Utang na loob!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a kilo of rice and a sensitive position in government? More so if it deteriorates under your watch!</p>
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		<title>By: anthony scalia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062927</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony scalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only &quot;liberal&quot; in the Liberal Party is the name

ang kakampi ng Kampi ay sila sila lang

Lakas is weak

the only &quot;united&quot; in United Opposition is the name

political platform? ano yan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only &#8220;liberal&#8221; in the Liberal Party is the name</p>
<p>ang kakampi ng Kampi ay sila sila lang</p>
<p>Lakas is weak</p>
<p>the only &#8220;united&#8221; in United Opposition is the name</p>
<p>political platform? ano yan?</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062103</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I forgot, you just got diagnosed with tuberculosis. And you have a wife. With eight children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I forgot, you just got diagnosed with tuberculosis. And you have a wife. With eight children.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062099</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™d like to see guys like you to be on board the LP team to crunch those numbers.&quot;

Ever had a huge mortgage on a termite infested house? Car repayments on a car that got total-wrecked? And a minimum wage job while living on the most expensive city on earth? Then you my friend, are a living, breathing metaphor for the Philippines.

How do you crunch a number on a thing like that? You can&#039;t. You just have to work 20 hours a day five days a week while devoting your weekends to rebuilding your house and your car, while living in the simplest manner possible (no, absolutely no luxuries, while buying the cheapest necessities).

Oh, and as a clincher, there&#039;s an Ondoy sized rain coming to your city in a year. You have to prepare for that too. Hopefully, politicians in this country will get in to the mindset that the Philippines is like a financially-fucked individual who has to work really, really hard for many years to get his life back on track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™d like to see guys like you to be on board the LP team to crunch those numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever had a huge mortgage on a termite infested house? Car repayments on a car that got total-wrecked? And a minimum wage job while living on the most expensive city on earth? Then you my friend, are a living, breathing metaphor for the Philippines.</p>
<p>How do you crunch a number on a thing like that? You can&#8217;t. You just have to work 20 hours a day five days a week while devoting your weekends to rebuilding your house and your car, while living in the simplest manner possible (no, absolutely no luxuries, while buying the cheapest necessities).</p>
<p>Oh, and as a clincher, there&#8217;s an Ondoy sized rain coming to your city in a year. You have to prepare for that too. Hopefully, politicians in this country will get in to the mindset that the Philippines is like a financially-fucked individual who has to work really, really hard for many years to get his life back on track.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe N. Margallo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062065</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe N. Margallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I did hear them say instead of doing 10 things all at once, they wanted to prioritise two or three. So thatâ€™s a start. I am curious to hear what those priorities might be.&lt;/i&gt; - Cusp

Cusp, I too want to hear those priorities. But if I have the opportunity of â€œprojecting too much of our (my) wishesâ€ onto the candidates, my own priorities if limited to three are: 1) how they will tackle the national debt differently than it is done now; 2) whatâ€™s their plan on how to persuade our wealth holders to bring assets parked somewhere back into active in-country investment; and 3) on which side they are on the federalization debate (with Mindanao peace process as a logical corollary issue).  

Iâ€™m sure you are not suggesting that the campaign should be a budget session for number crunchers. I donâ€™t think US mature voters went for Dubya (over Al Gore) because of his skills on that department. 

Anyway, youâ€™re right that unless ours is parliamentary in form or we have an effective recall system, we really donâ€™t have an &lt;i&gt;inter-election&lt;/i&gt; reckoning for breach of campaign promises, not to mention that the presidential tenure is constitutionally fixed at a single six-year term without re-election. So, if the SC, for instance, interprets that breach of political platform constitutes an impeachable offense of betrayal of public trust, the only other option could be impeachment or otherwise, if the breach is grave, resort to old-fashioned direct democracy that we seem to have a better handle on. 

If Noynoy/Mar tandem is given the chance, I look at the first term as being more focused on housecleaning, building the foundation for a â€œmature democracy,â€ and possibly economic takeoff, and the second term (Marâ€™s term) to sustain the takeoff. Iâ€™d like to see guys like you to be on board the LP team to crunch those numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I did hear them say instead of doing 10 things all at once, they wanted to prioritise two or three. So thatâ€™s a start. I am curious to hear what those priorities might be.</i> &#8211; Cusp</p>
<p>Cusp, I too want to hear those priorities. But if I have the opportunity of â€œprojecting too much of our (my) wishesâ€ onto the candidates, my own priorities if limited to three are: 1) how they will tackle the national debt differently than it is done now; 2) whatâ€™s their plan on how to persuade our wealth holders to bring assets parked somewhere back into active in-country investment; and 3) on which side they are on the federalization debate (with Mindanao peace process as a logical corollary issue).  </p>
<p>Iâ€™m sure you are not suggesting that the campaign should be a budget session for number crunchers. I donâ€™t think US mature voters went for Dubya (over Al Gore) because of his skills on that department. </p>
<p>Anyway, youâ€™re right that unless ours is parliamentary in form or we have an effective recall system, we really donâ€™t have an <i>inter-election</i> reckoning for breach of campaign promises, not to mention that the presidential tenure is constitutionally fixed at a single six-year term without re-election. So, if the SC, for instance, interprets that breach of political platform constitutes an impeachable offense of betrayal of public trust, the only other option could be impeachment or otherwise, if the breach is grave, resort to old-fashioned direct democracy that we seem to have a better handle on. </p>
<p>If Noynoy/Mar tandem is given the chance, I look at the first term as being more focused on housecleaning, building the foundation for a â€œmature democracy,â€ and possibly economic takeoff, and the second term (Marâ€™s term) to sustain the takeoff. Iâ€™d like to see guys like you to be on board the LP team to crunch those numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: karl garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062045</link>
		<dc:creator>karl garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In mature democracies, party leaders of presidential contenders, when they propose alternate policies or programs have to show how much they will cost, how will they fund them. They have to back it up by independent verification by a Congressional Budget Office. For example, McCain and Obama presented alternate health care proposals for scrutiny in this manner.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

with an estimated public debt of 14 trillion usd for 2010, I surmise they are only in the cost part.
for funding, the usual suspects:
the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In mature democracies, party leaders of presidential contenders, when they propose alternate policies or programs have to show how much they will cost, how will they fund them. They have to back it up by independent verification by a Congressional Budget Office. For example, McCain and Obama presented alternate health care proposals for scrutiny in this manner.</p></blockquote>
<p>with an estimated public debt of 14 trillion usd for 2010, I surmise they are only in the cost part.<br />
for funding, the usual suspects:<br />
the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1062018</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Cusp, I expect that dealing with the deficits and streamlining the bureaucracy will be among the most unpalatable issues the next administration would have to confront. If these involve raising taxes and prioritizing spending programs so that some of the fat gets cut off, they&#039;d have to be ready with their flak jackets.  

They can still go around those, by not taking the bull by the horns and simply dithering and buying time. But it will be a test of their resolve and whether they can, as Abe puts it, break away from the traditional way of doing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Cusp, I expect that dealing with the deficits and streamlining the bureaucracy will be among the most unpalatable issues the next administration would have to confront. If these involve raising taxes and prioritizing spending programs so that some of the fat gets cut off, they&#8217;d have to be ready with their flak jackets.  </p>
<p>They can still go around those, by not taking the bull by the horns and simply dithering and buying time. But it will be a test of their resolve and whether they can, as Abe puts it, break away from the traditional way of doing things.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cusp</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-2/#comment-1061996</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cusp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramrod, unfortunately even the parliamentary politics in the UK and Australia are veering towards presidential type campaigns with all their fanfare and media, &quot;spin&quot; hype.

But at least when they hold debates it is mature because they present budget estimates vetted by third parties. I hope we can move away from policy developed on free rider/free lunch mentality.

Even Noy&#039;s proposed productivity bonus system would require an enforcement mechanism, meaning more manpower for DOLE. Accountants and lawyers to troll through financial statements to determine whether bonuses should be paid. The NLRC would have its dockets filled with cases to hear.

If every senator and congressman developed laws like these... er, well, actually that is kinda what&#039;s been happening and why we have a ballooning deficit!!!! It seems Noy is no different in his policy development process than his counterparts in Congress. A ha! An epiphany if ever there was one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramrod, unfortunately even the parliamentary politics in the UK and Australia are veering towards presidential type campaigns with all their fanfare and media, &#8220;spin&#8221; hype.</p>
<p>But at least when they hold debates it is mature because they present budget estimates vetted by third parties. I hope we can move away from policy developed on free rider/free lunch mentality.</p>
<p>Even Noy&#8217;s proposed productivity bonus system would require an enforcement mechanism, meaning more manpower for DOLE. Accountants and lawyers to troll through financial statements to determine whether bonuses should be paid. The NLRC would have its dockets filled with cases to hear.</p>
<p>If every senator and congressman developed laws like these&#8230; er, well, actually that is kinda what&#8217;s been happening and why we have a ballooning deficit!!!! It seems Noy is no different in his policy development process than his counterparts in Congress. A ha! An epiphany if ever there was one!</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/09/24/the-long-view-a-peculiar-chicken/comment-page-1/#comment-1061995</link>
		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cusp, my understanding is party platforms are political manifestos. They are basically intended to appeal to voters to vote for the partyâ€™s candidates and therefore are not crafted to look like bills for instance ready for enactment as public policy. 

Anyway, you donâ€™t expect run-of the mill voters to weigh the scenarios you cited before casting their votes, do you? 

Doesnâ€™t the reality run like this: if I win because of the perception that I have the credibility, sincerity and ability to make things happen, I will just hire you later to make those things happen? 
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Hard reality feels like a dousing of ice cold water.  
So its basically a selling contest then? He or the campaign/sales/marketing team who can best sell their candidate wins? Hmmm, billboards, 
tv ads, hand gestures, jingles, tag lines, puppy dog eyes, later singing/dancing (boogy) on stages...indecent amounts of money poured into campaign sorties...battling for top-of-mind? or appealing to emotion? Then there&#039;s the precinct level low-intensity-conflicts...
...I really hope these guys have a product that delivers not just so much hype...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cusp, my understanding is party platforms are political manifestos. They are basically intended to appeal to voters to vote for the partyâ€™s candidates and therefore are not crafted to look like bills for instance ready for enactment as public policy. </p>
<p>Anyway, you donâ€™t expect run-of the mill voters to weigh the scenarios you cited before casting their votes, do you? </p>
<p>Doesnâ€™t the reality run like this: if I win because of the perception that I have the credibility, sincerity and ability to make things happen, I will just hire you later to make those things happen?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Hard reality feels like a dousing of ice cold water.<br />
So its basically a selling contest then? He or the campaign/sales/marketing team who can best sell their candidate wins? Hmmm, billboards,<br />
tv ads, hand gestures, jingles, tag lines, puppy dog eyes, later singing/dancing (boogy) on stages&#8230;indecent amounts of money poured into campaign sorties&#8230;battling for top-of-mind? or appealing to emotion? Then there&#8217;s the precinct level low-intensity-conflicts&#8230;<br />
&#8230;I really hope these guys have a product that delivers not just so much hype&#8230;</p>
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