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		<title>By: karl garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1054390</link>
		<dc:creator>karl garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much has been said about Cory in this particular post, even I had my share.

Condolence to the family of the late president.

I still I believe in gradual change,not instant change.

If it goes beyond our generation, then so be it,but Cory should still get credit for initiating the change process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much has been said about Cory in this particular post, even I had my share.</p>
<p>Condolence to the family of the late president.</p>
<p>I still I believe in gradual change,not instant change.</p>
<p>If it goes beyond our generation, then so be it,but Cory should still get credit for initiating the change process.</p>
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		<title>By: karl garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053635</link>
		<dc:creator>karl garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got it SOP.

Madami lang masyadong laws na pwede namang iconsolidate at iupdate.But, many may not necessarily mean: enough.

Bank secrecy can be improved by strengthening and implementation of the Anti money laundering something.

Sona na nga pala bukas. last year dito sa blog ni Manolo, I mentioned something about the budget of the ombudsman.

May nakita din akong mga  comment mo recently tungkol dito.


OK, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got it SOP.</p>
<p>Madami lang masyadong laws na pwede namang iconsolidate at iupdate.But, many may not necessarily mean: enough.</p>
<p>Bank secrecy can be improved by strengthening and implementation of the Anti money laundering something.</p>
<p>Sona na nga pala bukas. last year dito sa blog ni Manolo, I mentioned something about the budget of the ombudsman.</p>
<p>May nakita din akong mga  comment mo recently tungkol dito.</p>
<p>OK, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053628</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I therefore conclude that the truism &quot;we have enough laws in our books to catch crooks&quot; is false, patently false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I therefore conclude that the truism &#8220;we have enough laws in our books to catch crooks&#8221; is false, patently false.</p>
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		<title>By: karl garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053626</link>
		<dc:creator>karl garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOP:

re: waiving of bank secrecy.

When that AFP comptroller&#039;s issue came up my father who also happens to be a Garcia sort of suggested to all his colleagues in the AGFO (aasociation for generals and flag officers and PMAAAI (the pma alum org)) to surrender all their bank books to the ombudsman.
Of course, no one bit.

That hyperlink you posted made my day.

In one case mentioned there: The Dumancas case.
Where Dumancas dragged many officers including my dad.
It was about the misuse of marcos money called the &quot;marcelo fund&quot; by Dumancas.(circa 89-93???)

I am nobody&#039;s apologist,but the pending status of the case still bothers me and my family.

As a matter of fact,since the group of my dad lost their lawyer to the congress(a partylist rep) , my dad has to start from scratch to present the facts to the replacement even if it is the son of the lawyer.

Again, I am no apologist for the military.
I agree with Carl that there are not just a few rotten eggs, the title of that tom cruise/jack nicholson movie may be factual, that there are only a few good men around.

Lastly,Cory fouled up by the choice of Abadia as CSAFP and Dumancas as FOIC navy,she fouled up big time.

For now. life goes on,and our advocacy to reform the military through behind the scenes legislation continues. Even that is a drag.
 matatapos na naman ang isang term  wala pa din gaanong nagyari.
Wala nga yata eh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOP:</p>
<p>re: waiving of bank secrecy.</p>
<p>When that AFP comptroller&#8217;s issue came up my father who also happens to be a Garcia sort of suggested to all his colleagues in the AGFO (aasociation for generals and flag officers and PMAAAI (the pma alum org)) to surrender all their bank books to the ombudsman.<br />
Of course, no one bit.</p>
<p>That hyperlink you posted made my day.</p>
<p>In one case mentioned there: The Dumancas case.<br />
Where Dumancas dragged many officers including my dad.<br />
It was about the misuse of marcos money called the &#8220;marcelo fund&#8221; by Dumancas.(circa 89-93???)</p>
<p>I am nobody&#8217;s apologist,but the pending status of the case still bothers me and my family.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact,since the group of my dad lost their lawyer to the congress(a partylist rep) , my dad has to start from scratch to present the facts to the replacement even if it is the son of the lawyer.</p>
<p>Again, I am no apologist for the military.<br />
I agree with Carl that there are not just a few rotten eggs, the title of that tom cruise/jack nicholson movie may be factual, that there are only a few good men around.</p>
<p>Lastly,Cory fouled up by the choice of Abadia as CSAFP and Dumancas as FOIC navy,she fouled up big time.</p>
<p>For now. life goes on,and our advocacy to reform the military through behind the scenes legislation continues. Even that is a drag.<br />
 matatapos na naman ang isang term  wala pa din gaanong nagyari.<br />
Wala nga yata eh.</p>
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		<title>By: taxj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053509</link>
		<dc:creator>taxj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What democracy did Cory restore? It&#039;s oligarchy, no less. Not her fault though. How would she know the difference?

Land reform&#039;s Cory&#039;s centerpiece. Yeah, a decor. Just think Mendiola Massacre and Hacienda Luisita. Not that I&#039;m for that counterproductive measure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What democracy did Cory restore? It&#8217;s oligarchy, no less. Not her fault though. How would she know the difference?</p>
<p>Land reform&#8217;s Cory&#8217;s centerpiece. Yeah, a decor. Just think Mendiola Massacre and Hacienda Luisita. Not that I&#8217;m for that counterproductive measure!</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053472</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anybody know of a web link that expounds or debunks the story of Cory being offered debt forgiveness and turning it down? Iâ€™ve always heard of this story but never knew the real deal. Would appreciate if someone could explain further and show some articles.&quot;

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There was a move by some sectors within and outside the Aquino administration to urge international creditors to forgive some of the debt undertaken by the Marcos government. Some of this debt was blatantly fraudulent and clearly involved kickbacks. Examples were the Bataan nuclear plant, the behest loans involving the sugar mills put up by Benedicto &amp; Co. and the huge loans taken on by Manda Elizalde for his mining companies that were guaranteed by the government.

There was strong proof that these loans were given in bad faith, and some sectors wanted to pursue this in order to have some of that debt cancelled or mitigated. However, then Central Bank governor Jobo Fernandez adamantly refused to take this tack. Talk of capture theory: Jobo went to a U.S. business school, was trained in U.S. multinational banks and was faithful to his banking roots, much like Goldman Sachs alums would be.

There was never any offer of debt forgiveness. So that part of the story never existed. What existed was an initiative to pursue this avenue of negotiation. But Cory listened to Jobo and that initiative was nipped in the bud.

To my mind, it was a pity. The Philippines never enjoyed so much goodwill from the international community as it did at that time. It could exercise moral suasion to have some our of debt forgiven. And there was a legal basis to do so, with proof of corruption in the giving of those loans.

Other countries, with less goodwill, have successfully undertaken some form of debt forgiveness. Iraq, Argentina, Ecuador are some countries who have succeeded at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anybody know of a web link that expounds or debunks the story of Cory being offered debt forgiveness and turning it down? Iâ€™ve always heard of this story but never knew the real deal. Would appreciate if someone could explain further and show some articles.&#8221;</p>
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<p>There was a move by some sectors within and outside the Aquino administration to urge international creditors to forgive some of the debt undertaken by the Marcos government. Some of this debt was blatantly fraudulent and clearly involved kickbacks. Examples were the Bataan nuclear plant, the behest loans involving the sugar mills put up by Benedicto &amp; Co. and the huge loans taken on by Manda Elizalde for his mining companies that were guaranteed by the government.</p>
<p>There was strong proof that these loans were given in bad faith, and some sectors wanted to pursue this in order to have some of that debt cancelled or mitigated. However, then Central Bank governor Jobo Fernandez adamantly refused to take this tack. Talk of capture theory: Jobo went to a U.S. business school, was trained in U.S. multinational banks and was faithful to his banking roots, much like Goldman Sachs alums would be.</p>
<p>There was never any offer of debt forgiveness. So that part of the story never existed. What existed was an initiative to pursue this avenue of negotiation. But Cory listened to Jobo and that initiative was nipped in the bud.</p>
<p>To my mind, it was a pity. The Philippines never enjoyed so much goodwill from the international community as it did at that time. It could exercise moral suasion to have some our of debt forgiven. And there was a legal basis to do so, with proof of corruption in the giving of those loans.</p>
<p>Other countries, with less goodwill, have successfully undertaken some form of debt forgiveness. Iraq, Argentina, Ecuador are some countries who have succeeded at it.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053417</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth be told, I personally wouldn&#039;t be able to handle genuine reform. Genuine reform means I&#039;ll be taxed til it hurts to help the poor, being a member of the upper middle class. There&#039;s no other way to solve our massive poverty and humongous debt but to hit the pockets of the likes of me.

Which is why I&#039;m happy to have US citizenship. I can get away in the event of a leftist or rightist capture of government. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. But I guess anybody in my position would do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth be told, I personally wouldn&#8217;t be able to handle genuine reform. Genuine reform means I&#8217;ll be taxed til it hurts to help the poor, being a member of the upper middle class. There&#8217;s no other way to solve our massive poverty and humongous debt but to hit the pockets of the likes of me.</p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;m happy to have US citizenship. I can get away in the event of a leftist or rightist capture of government. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. But I guess anybody in my position would do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053412</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody know of a web link that expounds or debunks the story of Cory being offered debt forgiveness and turning it down? I&#039;ve always heard of this story but never knew the real deal. Would appreciate if someone could explain further and show some articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody know of a web link that expounds or debunks the story of Cory being offered debt forgiveness and turning it down? I&#8217;ve always heard of this story but never knew the real deal. Would appreciate if someone could explain further and show some articles.</p>
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		<title>By: SoP</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/18/among-ed-falls-for-it/comment-page-2/#comment-1053408</link>
		<dc:creator>SoP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reforms that are being undertaken are slow indeed. But I prefer it to the alternative a military backed authoritarian government. One could hope that our military, if they choose that path, would emulate the Thai military. But I wouldn&#039;t count on it. Tarantado ang mga Pilipinong sundalo.

I&#039;m always wary of capture theory-that the trapos a hypothetical dictator would like to get rid of ending up capturing the government. Sort of like how ex-Goldman Sachs employees penetrated the US government which was intent on reforming the likes of Goldman Sachs in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reforms that are being undertaken are slow indeed. But I prefer it to the alternative a military backed authoritarian government. One could hope that our military, if they choose that path, would emulate the Thai military. But I wouldn&#8217;t count on it. Tarantado ang mga Pilipinong sundalo.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always wary of capture theory-that the trapos a hypothetical dictator would like to get rid of ending up capturing the government. Sort of like how ex-Goldman Sachs employees penetrated the US government which was intent on reforming the likes of Goldman Sachs in the first place.</p>
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