Comments on: Notes for a prospective article on the emerging politics of a national identity (in progress) http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:47:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: taxj http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051791 taxj Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:02:34 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051791 Thanks to federalists, I saw the folly of federalism. Thanks to federalists, I saw the folly of federalism.

]]> By: SoP http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051415 SoP Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:25:38 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051415 The territories drawn up by the Federalists makes people's blood boil. I would like to stick with unitary government, but with the proviso for Tagalog as national language removed. Make it English and I'll be happy. The territories drawn up by the Federalists makes people’s blood boil.

I would like to stick with unitary government, but with the proviso for Tagalog as national language removed. Make it English and I’ll be happy.

]]> By: taxj http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051409 taxj Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:04:15 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051409 BrianB: Useless hodge-podge of various theories and discipline. There’s no sense in making a clear picture of ethnic feeling in the RP, I think. This will only serve as more grist in the mill of soci0-political manipulators. - The Save Our Languages for Federalism or SOLFED who would divide the country based on language faces an insurmountable barrier: identity. Which of our numerous dialects should be lumped together in which region? Other federalists who prefer economy and religion as basis for regonal groupings share the same challenges. How they can arrive at a concensus even among themselves is already a big question. Yet they would drag the whole country into a senseless controversy that is purely of their own making. J_AG: Prostitution is a way of life in this country for economic survival. Even the Catholic Church in recent years have made itself dependent on state handouts formally and informally to keep its ministries going. - For many of our women, it is. Also for the Catholic Church then? No wonder. BrianB: Useless hodge-podge of various theories and discipline. There’s no sense in making a clear picture of ethnic feeling in the RP, I think. This will only serve as more grist in the mill of soci0-political manipulators.

- The Save Our Languages for Federalism or SOLFED who would divide the country based on language faces an insurmountable barrier: identity. Which of our numerous dialects should be lumped together in which region? Other federalists who prefer economy and religion as basis for regonal groupings share the same challenges. How they can arrive at a concensus even among themselves is already a big question. Yet they would drag the whole country into a senseless controversy that is purely of their own making.

J_AG: Prostitution is a way of life in this country for economic survival. Even the Catholic Church in recent years have made itself dependent on state handouts formally and informally to keep its ministries going.

- For many of our women, it is. Also for the Catholic Church then? No wonder.

]]> By: BrianB http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051291 BrianB Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:21:24 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051291 There's no sense in making a clear picture of ethnic feeling in the RP, I think. This will only serve as more grist in the mill of soci0-political manipulators. Just choose a side: the side of the majority or the side of the minority, which you are in right now. There’s no sense in making a clear picture of ethnic feeling in the RP, I think. This will only serve as more grist in the mill of soci0-political manipulators. Just choose a side: the side of the majority or the side of the minority, which you are in right now.

]]> By: supremo http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051260 supremo Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:29:11 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051260 Ethnicity has more weight over Filipino citizenship when Filipinos migrate to the United States. It determines where you eventually settle, who you associate with and who you trust. It's a problem for people who just consider themselves Filipinos (like me) because they are sometimes force to choose an ethnicity out of necessity. Most of that ethnicity issue disappears with the second generation either because the first generation is incapable of passing on their ethnic culture or American culture is just too overwhelming. Ethnicity has more weight over Filipino citizenship when Filipinos migrate to the United States. It determines where you eventually settle, who you associate with and who you trust. It’s a problem for people who just consider themselves Filipinos (like me) because they are sometimes force to choose an ethnicity out of necessity.
Most of that ethnicity issue disappears with the second generation either because the first generation is incapable of passing on their ethnic culture or American culture is just too overwhelming.

]]> By: J_AG http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051229 J_AG Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:26:25 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051229 The NCR has the largest share of the formal/informal economy. 35% share with a approximately 15% of the population. Combined with Central Luzon and the CALABARZOn area the share rises to 50% of the economy with only 20% of the population. In earlier times we were sparely populated by nomadic seafarers with small tribal communities engaged in sedentary communal agriculture. Fortunately or unfortunately the natural evolutionary process of societal evolution was interrupted by the insertion by Europeans who leapfrogged the country forward under the European style feudal system. The servant/slave system refined. It is basic in societal development. Labor will always chase capital and capital will always chase stability and security. All this based on the environmental determinism of countries. Nomadic Tribes in the Northern Hemisphere moved in constant search for grazing like fisherman in the Southern Hemisphere moved for ever changing fishing grounds. They eventually merged with communities engaged in sedentary agricultural practices. However the intrusion of Europeans in the equation changed till today the outbound view of the countries economic model. Extraction of resources which today has evolved into the export of human resources. The nature of the nomadic pinoy in search of greener pastures still playing out in the 21st century. Today the evolving community of outsiders to the islands the Chinese replacing the Europeans. Hence the Pinoy brains are wired still in labor migration since organized agricultural development was primarily in the hands the a few foreign landlords then and now the newest group the Chinese. Look at the thrust of the present government is turning its focus to China to keep this model for development going. The Pinoy culture being extremely malleable depending on whose capital we are dependent on. Prostitution is a way of life in this country for economic survival. Even the Catholic Church in recent years have made itself dependent on state handouts formally and informally to keep its ministries going. The military protects the economic structures owned by the private sector, the government dependent on these structures together with the Church. Your large middle totally non-existent. They are diffused all over the planet. The NCR has the largest share of the formal/informal economy.
35% share with a approximately 15% of the population. Combined with Central Luzon and the CALABARZOn area the share rises to 50% of the economy with only 20% of the population.

In earlier times we were sparely populated by nomadic seafarers with small tribal communities engaged in sedentary communal agriculture.

Fortunately or unfortunately the natural evolutionary process of societal evolution was interrupted by the insertion by Europeans who leapfrogged the country forward under the European style feudal system. The servant/slave system refined.

It is basic in societal development. Labor will always chase capital and capital will always chase stability and security. All this based on the environmental determinism of countries.

Nomadic Tribes in the Northern Hemisphere moved in constant search for grazing like fisherman in the Southern Hemisphere moved for ever changing fishing grounds.

They eventually merged with communities engaged in sedentary agricultural practices.

However the intrusion of Europeans in the equation changed till today the outbound view of the countries economic model.

Extraction of resources which today has evolved into the export of human resources. The nature of the nomadic pinoy in search of greener pastures still playing out in the 21st century.

Today the evolving community of outsiders to the islands the Chinese replacing the Europeans.

Hence the Pinoy brains are wired still in labor migration since organized agricultural development was primarily in the hands the a few foreign landlords then and now the newest group the Chinese.

Look at the thrust of the present government is turning its focus to China to keep this model for development going.

The Pinoy culture being extremely malleable depending on whose capital we are dependent on.

Prostitution is a way of life in this country for economic survival. Even the Catholic Church in recent years have made itself dependent on state handouts formally and informally to keep its ministries going.

The military protects the economic structures owned by the private sector, the government dependent on these structures together with the Church.

Your large middle totally non-existent. They are diffused all over the planet.

]]> By: Carl http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051169 Carl Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:11:38 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051169 There is a genetic difference among the social classes. The upper classes are more refined looking, generally fairer in appearance. The lower classes are coarse and, by and large, not very good-looking. Perhaps wealth can open doors to a superior gene pool? There is a genetic difference among the social classes. The upper classes are more refined looking, generally fairer in appearance. The lower classes are coarse and, by and large, not very good-looking. Perhaps wealth can open doors to a superior gene pool?

]]> By: BrianB http://www.quezon.ph/2009/07/10/notes-for-a-prospective-article-on-the-emerging-politics-of-a-national-identity-in-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-1051153 BrianB Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:21:09 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=2958#comment-1051153 Useless hodge-podge of various theories and discipline. The answer could be a lot closer to home, possibly within our generation. How do you explain that some provincial barons are of chinese descent? The Spanish snobbery we know now and the so-called Filipino-hispanics are recent inventions. What we have are opportunists, like the hacienderos of Negros, taking advantage of backward Filipinos. The Federalists? Who among its proponents have real loyalty to their land and who among them will die for their so-called States? Their kids are abroad and if they're not abroad would be happy to be abroad. Even the political dynasties, most of them have shallow roots. They are easily usurped by practical thinkers, Gonzalez of Iloilo is a case in point. I'm sure there are a number of examples in other islands. The moros? What is it? How are the moros genetically separate from the Visayans? They are separated by religion but how and when does religion define inheritance? "The old territorial-linguistic identities are challenged by" Challenged by? My God, according to Pigafetta's journal they encountered Sabah raiders from Luzon who said he was related to the Sabah king! Can't we just accept the fact that unlike Europe, our history is very, very unreliable? You can have genetic tests nationwide and you'd be surprised how related a Tagalog is to a Moro and different the Lopezes are to one another--not to imply anything. Useless hodge-podge of various theories and discipline. The answer could be a lot closer to home, possibly within our generation.

How do you explain that some provincial barons are of chinese descent? The Spanish snobbery we know now and the so-called Filipino-hispanics are recent inventions. What we have are opportunists, like the hacienderos of Negros, taking advantage of backward Filipinos.

The Federalists? Who among its proponents have real loyalty to their land and who among them will die for their so-called States? Their kids are abroad and if they’re not abroad would be happy to be abroad.

Even the political dynasties, most of them have shallow roots. They are easily usurped by practical thinkers, Gonzalez of Iloilo is a case in point. I’m sure there are a number of examples in other islands.

The moros? What is it? How are the moros genetically separate from the Visayans? They are separated by religion but how and when does religion define inheritance?

“The old territorial-linguistic identities are challenged by”

Challenged by? My God, according to Pigafetta’s journal they encountered Sabah raiders from Luzon who said he was related to the Sabah king!

Can’t we just accept the fact that unlike Europe, our history is very, very unreliable? You can have genetic tests nationwide and you’d be surprised how related a Tagalog is to a Moro and different the Lopezes are to one another–not to imply anything.

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