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	<title>Comments on: We, the People: How Candidates view The People as Electors</title>
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		<title>By: taxj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/05/15/we-the-people-how-candidates-view-the-people-as-electors/comment-page-1/#comment-1044947</link>
		<dc:creator>taxj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iggy, your 2 cents seems to be the pervading sentiment. Fortunately, there&#039;s a world a step further.  

Will it make any difference if Among Ed, Chiz, Mar, Manny, Gibo or any other contender wins? No, it wonâ€™t! Elections bring nothing but false hopes and failed expectations. Mere changes in leadership never brought us relief. A few good men cannot deliver us from the abyss we have fallen into. What we need is a redistribution of tasks and resources by the government. It will boost individual initiatives. 

Since my retirement from government service my participation as a private citizen in a small municipality has been less than fruitful or rewarding, but at least, the struggle keeps me alive and hopeful. Sometimes it may seem like trying to extract juice from a week-old bone, but, I would rather do it anytime than bay the moon, which we do with Gloria bashing or cursing distant villains.  

I would support Among Ed or any candidate for that matter, if he includes in his platform a kind of fiscal federalism whereby more funds shall be placed at the discretion of Governors and City Mayors. Local chief executives could more effectively work for food security and poverty alleviation, if only because it is easier to work with and keep them in check. At least they would not be as elusive as the culprits in the billion-peso fertilizer and swine scams. 

The greatest anomaly created by Senator Nene Pimentel was the devolution of function of health, agriculture and social services functions while retaining the funds that makes imperial Manila what it is, imperial, and awash with more funds and tasks than it can judiciously handle. Believe it or not, the solution is simple enough: amend the Local Government Code accordingly! The challenge is how to make legislators do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iggy, your 2 cents seems to be the pervading sentiment. Fortunately, there&#8217;s a world a step further.  </p>
<p>Will it make any difference if Among Ed, Chiz, Mar, Manny, Gibo or any other contender wins? No, it wonâ€™t! Elections bring nothing but false hopes and failed expectations. Mere changes in leadership never brought us relief. A few good men cannot deliver us from the abyss we have fallen into. What we need is a redistribution of tasks and resources by the government. It will boost individual initiatives. </p>
<p>Since my retirement from government service my participation as a private citizen in a small municipality has been less than fruitful or rewarding, but at least, the struggle keeps me alive and hopeful. Sometimes it may seem like trying to extract juice from a week-old bone, but, I would rather do it anytime than bay the moon, which we do with Gloria bashing or cursing distant villains.  </p>
<p>I would support Among Ed or any candidate for that matter, if he includes in his platform a kind of fiscal federalism whereby more funds shall be placed at the discretion of Governors and City Mayors. Local chief executives could more effectively work for food security and poverty alleviation, if only because it is easier to work with and keep them in check. At least they would not be as elusive as the culprits in the billion-peso fertilizer and swine scams. </p>
<p>The greatest anomaly created by Senator Nene Pimentel was the devolution of function of health, agriculture and social services functions while retaining the funds that makes imperial Manila what it is, imperial, and awash with more funds and tasks than it can judiciously handle. Believe it or not, the solution is simple enough: amend the Local Government Code accordingly! The challenge is how to make legislators do it.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of us think that the President or the man or woman on the top has the sole right and power to bring us out of our own problems...but we might have forgotten that we too have the capacity to change and shape our own future...if our skills and talents are insufficient then we must shamelessly ask or encourage help from others....if we just took time to look around and instead of competing with each other, it would be most advantageous to cooperate with one another. Most filipinos are poor for we do not believe we are rich...we are already defeated in our own minds before we can even act upon our hopes and dreams...whoever the president maybe..89 or so Million or so filipinos against one person(president) ad/or,300-400+ senators is to 89 million,...now, see who has the power...

just my 2 cents..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us think that the President or the man or woman on the top has the sole right and power to bring us out of our own problems&#8230;but we might have forgotten that we too have the capacity to change and shape our own future&#8230;if our skills and talents are insufficient then we must shamelessly ask or encourage help from others&#8230;.if we just took time to look around and instead of competing with each other, it would be most advantageous to cooperate with one another. Most filipinos are poor for we do not believe we are rich&#8230;we are already defeated in our own minds before we can even act upon our hopes and dreams&#8230;whoever the president maybe..89 or so Million or so filipinos against one person(president) ad/or,300-400+ senators is to 89 million,&#8230;now, see who has the power&#8230;</p>
<p>just my 2 cents..</p>
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		<title>By: Josephine Bonsol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josephine Bonsol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manolo, Hello, I&#039;m josephine the girl who invited you as speaker for QC Div.Sch.PressCon. Please do contact me at 09175619026 so i can save your number.Nagpaagaw ba ng bag sa SM Supermarket.(sigh)
Anyways, I truly agree with you that many politicians believe they are actually helping people. I don&#039;t know about many politicians but my sister works for a congresswoman in Bulacan whose family ran politics for centuries in the same area and she was truly convinced this family was simply too rich that they only need to stay in power to keep their business and not to gain more money. According to her, the family spends more of their personal money than what was allocated in the district. The foundation raised and fund raising projects cannot actually feed the needs of the constituents in the area. I&#039;m curious as to how she was made to believe that as of this day..hehehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo, Hello, I&#8217;m josephine the girl who invited you as speaker for QC Div.Sch.PressCon. Please do contact me at 09175619026 so i can save your number.Nagpaagaw ba ng bag sa SM Supermarket.(sigh)<br />
Anyways, I truly agree with you that many politicians believe they are actually helping people. I don&#8217;t know about many politicians but my sister works for a congresswoman in Bulacan whose family ran politics for centuries in the same area and she was truly convinced this family was simply too rich that they only need to stay in power to keep their business and not to gain more money. According to her, the family spends more of their personal money than what was allocated in the district. The foundation raised and fund raising projects cannot actually feed the needs of the constituents in the area. I&#8217;m curious as to how she was made to believe that as of this day..hehehe</p>
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		<title>By: Madonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ramrod,

Let us look into the impeachments of Clinton and Nixon in the US or indictments of CEOs implicated in corporate scandals. These men basically did their stuff just because they could. TO state the obvious, human nature is that if you could, you would -- and that is especially most true in an environment where power and entitlement are a given. 

Of course with the experience with Clinton, et al, there were legal and political mechanisms in place to make just punishments (censure for Clinton and forced resignation with Nixon and a host of cases against rogue CEOs). 

In our case, our legal mechanisms are weak and fail to address the problems or impasse in times of abuse of authority. The problem has to be in our social make-up, in our society, not in our political system, per se. In our case, we have been allowing rent-seekers and rotten politicians (who as Puno correctly noted hold hostage our government) a merry romp in the park of power for so long -- and we naively think that they would change: left to their own ways, there is no compelling reason for them to change because their lot offers the best that life could offer in this side of the world, as long as they stay in their gated enclaves, cushy offices and stay safely in their tinted SUVs while continuing on their plundering and looting ways (perhaps it&#039;s not even conscious -- the system probably partly makes and turns them into thieves, which is really the most horrific truth in this). 

An appeal to decency or &quot;morality&quot; can only go so far. I&#039;m not saying that we should do a Bastille or something of that sort -- but just to keep an eye on what the real problems -- the twin monster of oligarchical rule and elitism, one that even the dictator, Marcos has contemplated, tried to fight and dismally failed to solve. It is a formidable, complicated enemy and one that we should tackle with open and discerning eye lest we also become the very monster we are trying to slay, like what happened to the Apo Macoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ramrod,</p>
<p>Let us look into the impeachments of Clinton and Nixon in the US or indictments of CEOs implicated in corporate scandals. These men basically did their stuff just because they could. TO state the obvious, human nature is that if you could, you would &#8212; and that is especially most true in an environment where power and entitlement are a given. </p>
<p>Of course with the experience with Clinton, et al, there were legal and political mechanisms in place to make just punishments (censure for Clinton and forced resignation with Nixon and a host of cases against rogue CEOs). </p>
<p>In our case, our legal mechanisms are weak and fail to address the problems or impasse in times of abuse of authority. The problem has to be in our social make-up, in our society, not in our political system, per se. In our case, we have been allowing rent-seekers and rotten politicians (who as Puno correctly noted hold hostage our government) a merry romp in the park of power for so long &#8212; and we naively think that they would change: left to their own ways, there is no compelling reason for them to change because their lot offers the best that life could offer in this side of the world, as long as they stay in their gated enclaves, cushy offices and stay safely in their tinted SUVs while continuing on their plundering and looting ways (perhaps it&#8217;s not even conscious &#8212; the system probably partly makes and turns them into thieves, which is really the most horrific truth in this). </p>
<p>An appeal to decency or &#8220;morality&#8221; can only go so far. I&#8217;m not saying that we should do a Bastille or something of that sort &#8212; but just to keep an eye on what the real problems &#8212; the twin monster of oligarchical rule and elitism, one that even the dictator, Marcos has contemplated, tried to fight and dismally failed to solve. It is a formidable, complicated enemy and one that we should tackle with open and discerning eye lest we also become the very monster we are trying to slay, like what happened to the Apo Macoy.</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>madonna,
Then again, its just my own opinion...I will be happier if I&#039;m proven wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>madonna,<br />
Then again, its just my own opinion&#8230;I will be happier if I&#8217;m proven wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/05/15/we-the-people-how-candidates-view-the-people-as-electors/comment-page-1/#comment-1043623</link>
		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a political system, the people at the top will not change if you donâ€™t make them â€” and this is true in the experience of modern states and governments all over the world. 
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In our case, or even in other countries, these people will change not because &quot;we make them&quot; to, we can never do that. They will change because they realize its in their best interest to do so, and make it look like they did it for us. Then again, its small increments of compromises that they make a big fuss of showing to everybody that they did it because we asked for it. Bottomline, they still need to get something out of the changes they will make...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a political system, the people at the top will not change if you donâ€™t make them â€” and this is true in the experience of modern states and governments all over the world.<br />
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<p>In our case, or even in other countries, these people will change not because &#8220;we make them&#8221; to, we can never do that. They will change because they realize its in their best interest to do so, and make it look like they did it for us. Then again, its small increments of compromises that they make a big fuss of showing to everybody that they did it because we asked for it. Bottomline, they still need to get something out of the changes they will make&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/05/15/we-the-people-how-candidates-view-the-people-as-electors/comment-page-1/#comment-1043618</link>
		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>madonna,
Like you too, I just try to choose and vote as responsibly as I can. I used to believe in radical changes, but call it old age or whatever...I just respect the will of the majority and deal with it, put in my own humble contribution for the good of the country and hope that things turn out better with each passing year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>madonna,<br />
Like you too, I just try to choose and vote as responsibly as I can. I used to believe in radical changes, but call it old age or whatever&#8230;I just respect the will of the majority and deal with it, put in my own humble contribution for the good of the country and hope that things turn out better with each passing year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Madonna</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/05/15/we-the-people-how-candidates-view-the-people-as-electors/comment-page-1/#comment-1043609</link>
		<dc:creator>Madonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Madonna, politics is a tiring profession, honest or not; all Iâ€™m saying is from what Iâ€™ve seen of politicians most are of the belief theyâ€™re actually helping people.&quot;

Then I have a different viewpoint or speaking from my own experience, as a member of my own class and as a long-time voter as to the view whether that belief touches base with real outcomes. But the truth is, I think the time when most of our politicians rise to become statesmen is when our country can really have a big reason to hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Madonna, politics is a tiring profession, honest or not; all Iâ€™m saying is from what Iâ€™ve seen of politicians most are of the belief theyâ€™re actually helping people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I have a different viewpoint or speaking from my own experience, as a member of my own class and as a long-time voter as to the view whether that belief touches base with real outcomes. But the truth is, I think the time when most of our politicians rise to become statesmen is when our country can really have a big reason to hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Madonna</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2009/05/15/we-the-people-how-candidates-view-the-people-as-electors/comment-page-1/#comment-1043606</link>
		<dc:creator>Madonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a political system, the people at the top will not change if you don&#039;t make them -- and this is true in the experience of modern states and governments all over the world. 

&quot;Lets face it, when you get to be in that position of power and influence (and affluence), you donâ€™t listen to the little people, the little people donâ€™t know whats good for them - only you do.&quot; -- only strictly true with fascists and degenerates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a political system, the people at the top will not change if you don&#8217;t make them &#8212; and this is true in the experience of modern states and governments all over the world. </p>
<p>&#8220;Lets face it, when you get to be in that position of power and influence (and affluence), you donâ€™t listen to the little people, the little people donâ€™t know whats good for them &#8211; only you do.&#8221; &#8212; only strictly true with fascists and degenerates</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 01:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We cannot impose our own set of values and limitations to these &quot;powerful&quot; people. Neither can we tell them what to do with their time and money. Lets face it, when you get to be in that position of power and influence (and affluence), you don&#039;t listen to the little people, the little people don&#039;t know whats good for them - only you do.
There is a noticeable &quot;wave&quot; of &quot;ethics&quot; formation/strengthening in the global corporate environment, 
with code of ethics almost as idealistic as most honor codes of military schools, then there&#039;s sustainability movements, I believe that eventually these powerful people - politicians right up to the oligarchs will realize that it is to their interest in the long run to adopt a sustainable approach, and this is only possible if there is transparency, justice, and a responsible approach to people and the environment.
I have long since given up on &quot;changing&quot; the minds of powerful people by making noise, I can only hope that they change on their own, if not this generation, then the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We cannot impose our own set of values and limitations to these &#8220;powerful&#8221; people. Neither can we tell them what to do with their time and money. Lets face it, when you get to be in that position of power and influence (and affluence), you don&#8217;t listen to the little people, the little people don&#8217;t know whats good for them &#8211; only you do.<br />
There is a noticeable &#8220;wave&#8221; of &#8220;ethics&#8221; formation/strengthening in the global corporate environment,<br />
with code of ethics almost as idealistic as most honor codes of military schools, then there&#8217;s sustainability movements, I believe that eventually these powerful people &#8211; politicians right up to the oligarchs will realize that it is to their interest in the long run to adopt a sustainable approach, and this is only possible if there is transparency, justice, and a responsible approach to people and the environment.<br />
I have long since given up on &#8220;changing&#8221; the minds of powerful people by making noise, I can only hope that they change on their own, if not this generation, then the next.</p>
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