Like Rashomon
January 5, 2009 by mlq3
Filed under Daily Dose
In Why the Pangandaman Issue Refuses to Die or At Least Abate, the Warrior Lawyer points to the archetype of the Bullying Official as the reason behind the longevity of the Valley Golf Beating Story. There seems to have been a kind of bewilderment in official circles that the beatings became headline material. Warrior Lawyer explains why:
Furthermore, the Pangandamans lost the war for public sympathy from the onset, the circumstances of the event being what it is. Setting aside the question of who gave provocation, it’s clear from the versions of both sides that the De la Paz family were at the losing end of the encounter. There was the father, no spring chicken, and his 14-year old son and college-age daughter, against able-bodied young men, powerful and influential people at that, and their armed bodyguards. Who’s being bullied here ? Pinoys will always sympathize with the underdog.
And if the rumors are to be believed, the Pangandaman camp have little idea of how the blogosphere operates. They have allegedly tried to find out and “profile†the persons behind the blogs attacking them to find ways to counteract such efforts. If true, then they betray a total lack of understanding of the viral nature of the beast. It’s not the individual blogs that dictate the agenda (not that there is even one) of the blogosphere but the medium itself: the immediacy and rapid dissemination of news and opinion among community members numbering in the tens of thousands. Issues take on a life of their own in the internet, by reason of the sheer momentum generated by information speedily passing from one person to another through blogs, social networking sites and the like. The only way to deal with it is on its own terms, by battling it out in the democratic space provided by the internet.
Moreover, the blogosphere is not a universe unto itself. Bloggers are, like it or not, part of the world at large. They are not immune from political and societal forces and will not be restrained from, at the very least, commenting on the issues of the day. They simply won’t keep quiet and anyone who tries to make them shut up would be like King Canute commanding the tides of the sea to roll back.
In his blog (see The Golf Incident: The Trouble with Mirrors), baratillo@Cubao, a person inclined to be judicious at all times, was concerned over what he perceived to be yet another case of the mob mentality of the blogosphere:
The initial reaction and predictable one is to call for the resignation of the politicians involve in the case. Related to this a series of debate has ensued on Net both via the blogs and the comment threads. The huffing and puffing of beliefs and opinions.
These are all well and good on a certain level but it would be unfortunate if it becomes an issue of trial by posts and a discussion/debate that would pull out all known political and social beliefs and theories. The first one falling into a lynch mob mentality and the second one reminds one of the ineffective men of the floating island of Laputa (from Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travel). The citizens of Laputa intelligent men that they were had one tragic flaw – so indulged in the pursuit of knowledge and reasoning that they did not use their knowledge for any practical use: to much into the thought process and no input in the action.
After a reasonable time … debate without action is as effective as cupping a corpse.
So here we are…
I am not really a fan of trial by posts. It is a blind rage that can be destructive to those who receive and uses its power. Rather it would be better to use this “power†to ensure that the case is monitored and not left to die. Legal measures are a welcome resort in such case and for the politicians involved in the case – leave of absence or resignation would also be appropriate.
And again when the debate goes way for argument’s sake – well it becomes useless and at some point deadly – apathy is not the only thing that kills a cause.
This medium is truly like a mirror and reflects the actions of all those involved.
His concern was for the truth to emerge; I engaged him in discussions on this over several days, arguing that there were two issues at hand, a political one, and one of personal justice, and that the political issue had resolved itself when the Secretary hadn’t even deigned to offer to go on leave, move to resolve matters, or in any way relinquish (at least temporarily) his authority so as to foster an unimpeded investigation; that the other concerns were properly the province of the courts as far as assigning compensation for any damages, etc. The very fact a national official reacted by going to Baguio to be seen to be “malakas” with the President, not relinquishing his post or going on leave, would send a message (implicitly supported by the President’s silence on the matter and her New Year’s activities in the secretary’s bailiwick) he was untouchable.
Baratillo prefered a more phlegmatic approach, waiting for evidence to trickle in. In subsequent conversations, Baratillo brought up the movie Rashomon as an apt comparison to the whole golf mauling brouhaha:
The film depicts the rape of a woman and the apparent murder of her husband through the widely differing accounts of four witnesses, including the rapist and, through a medium (Fumiko Honma), the dead man. The stories are mutually contradictory, leaving the viewer to determine which, if any, is the truth. The story unfolds in flashback as the four characters—the bandit TajÅmaru (ToshirÅ Mifune), the murdered samurai (Masayuki Mori), his wife (Machiko KyÅ), and the nameless woodcutter (Takashi Shimura)—recount the events of one afternoon in a grove. But it is also a flashback within a flashback, because the accounts of the witnesses are being retold by a woodcutter and a priest (Minoru Chiaki) to a ribald commoner (Kichijiro Ueda) as they wait out a rainstorm in a ruined gatehouse identified by a sign as RashÅmon.
On the other hand, The Marocharim Experiment compared it to a story by Guy de Maupassant and observed,
Yet for all the bitching and whining that is taking place between the Hauchecomes and the Malandains of this issue, we’re pretty much privy to it. Like the villagers who saw the fight between Hauchecome and Malandain as nothing more than a battle of differences between strings and pocketbooks, many still see this as a battle of whodunnit first at the golf course many of us can’t afford to go to.
While they squabble about who struck the other first, some of us fail to frame this issue along – not to separate it from – the many different injustices we all suffer. The fact that something occured means that it cannot be denied.
To be sure, that is what’s unfolded since the first account, by Bambee dela Paz, emerged. This is a public issue only insofar as a public official is involved, a minor was physically harmed, and that the official took it to the point of repeated physical confrontation because he had the ultimate check on any efforts to impose reason and sobriety -his bodyguards- and continued to brandish these things as the case became a publicly-discussed one.
In a comment on Journaling on the Net, columnist Ducky Paredes took the opposite tack from my entry on the subject, where I’d pointed out that this was a case of provincial warlordism colliding with metropolitan expectations of limits on official behavior:
I am glad that some on the blogsphere want to know what really happened and not what they want to believe. It’s tough for the Pangandamans; they’re in government and with the unpopular Gloria Arroyo plus they;re outsiders being from Mindanao and Muslims. Tough but all of that has to be factored in.
Accepted that the beating up was too much — an overkill; but as a Valley golfer, let me just say that the ones who breached etiquette were the De la Paz twosome who even drove the ball and almost hit Mayor Pangandaman.
The world has gone crazy? Yes. It has dumped on the Pangandamans mainly because of ther being in government, with Gloria and are outsiders.
This is not to say that I condone what was done to the De la Paz father and son; but, could it be that they had it coming?
This is basically the case for the Pangandaman’s defense, cleverly argued indeed (there is a certain truth, perhaps, to pointing out anyone associated with the President won’t get much by way of an assumption of any kind of innocence; but the “from Mindanao” and “Muslim” arguments are canards, because first of all, there are no “outsiders” on the golf course, their being golfers making them part of the more cosmopolitan golf-playing set; and the Muslim part being totally irrelevant because what is colliding is not religion but rather, wardlordism, is equally represented among Muslims and Christians).
The whole thing has been furiously argued -and in great detail- in all sorts of places though the forum that is quoted a lot happens to be a particular thread on Pinoygolfer.com. Here, two commenters, “rge,” and “jick” basically give the pros and cons for both sides, with “rge” laying the case for the Pangandamans and “jick” taking the skeptical side (see “rge’s” Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:39 pm post on page 13; then “jick’s” response, Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:15 pm on page 14; where he questions the alleged preview of the fact-finding committee’s finds as being awfully close to the Pangandaman side posted on page 5 of the forum). Add to the various eyewitness accounts, the Incident Report first put online in a scoop by At Midfield.
I’ve taken the liberty of reproducing the efforts of “jick” to put together the two main eyewitness accounts (Bambee dela Paz’s, in green, and a member of the Pangandaman flight, in red) with his observations and his reference to the Guards’ report (in blue):
So this is all very interesting in a CSI sort of way, but it’s interesting to note that the pertinent facts emerged early on and have not changed: an official and his group, beat up a citizen and a minor. The only thing that has changed is that after some time, the officials got out their version and went on a media counter-offensive; and that other details began to be revealed, such as, that the fight may have originally been picked by the citizen; and aside from that, there seems to be imputations of aggressive/unpleasant behavior concerning both dela Paz, Sr. and Pangandaman, Jr. In other words, as with most fights, it was between gorillas. But it was all taken a fight too far (since there were, apparently, two, as was known from the start).
The whole problem is if it had stayed at fight one, the Secretary, the Mayor, et al. would be in the clear and could argue they put a gorilla in his place; fight two showed they were gorillas, too -and with armed goons, to boot.
But I also believe that the window of opportunity, so to speak, for this to be a public issue, has already closed. The moment the dela Pazes took it to court, and the Pangandangans filed their counter-suits, it has become a battle over compensation which is for the courts to decide, and in which the public ought to have little interest -except the more general one, for all cases, that it be concluded by means of a speedy and fair trial. But as far as the political resolution of the political part of this issue: where public pressure ought to have been applied to pressure the Secretary to make manifest his willingness to be held accountable for the incident, and for the President to suspend the Mayor, the chance for that has passed. As it was expected to, of course.
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BrianB on Mon, 5th Jan 2009 10:47 pm
The bloggers have their day.
“But I also believe that the window of opportunity, so to speak, for this to be a public issue, has already closed.”… But character “assassination” may continue.
missingpoints on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 12:18 am
I’ve been wondering why the secretary is the one speaking when he claims he wasn’t involved? Can’t we have a statement from the Pangandamans actually involved in the fight?
Pedestrian Observer GB on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 1:54 am
It was obvious that the Pangandaman’s side is a spin and my gut feel tells me not to trust fooliticians of a place that is the subject of the taped Garci conversation regarding the electoral cheating of adding 1 million votes.
Second one of the companion is an allege jueteng bagman, so credibility wise the Pangandamans have nothing.
De la Paz lawyer R. Fotun was quoted in a news article that the elder Pangandaman the DAR secretary was shouting invectives at the victim so he is not exactly uninvolved as reported earlier. I give the lawyers’ statement more credibility he being a professional will not issue statement that are untrue.
Funny how this “witnesses” accounts are coming up now when the Antipolo police are so frustrated for lack of cooperation. I say Valley Golf & Country club should be held liable and for golfers not to go to this thugs haven until they can assure the safety of golfers. Why they allow people to carry firearms in a golf course is beyond me and there should be a law where firearms in any establishment should not be allowed.
Yes, there has to be a political resolution to this issue unfortunately in the land of cheats it is the rule of men and not the rule of law that applies. This is where we as bloggers need to come in but of course we expect others to see it differently and this is part of the dysfunctional mindset of people exposed all their life to this aberration.
manuelbuencamino on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 2:52 am
Valley Golf and Boxing Club
Bert on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 3:02 am
hehehehe.
UP n grad on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 6:00 am
Who again won the case again Jalosjos? The victim was a prostitute, wasn’t she, and the perpetrator of course is Jalosjos. Whoever put Jalosjos in jail is one of our latter-day paragons of professionalism in justice.
Pilipinoparin on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 6:24 am
Was he promoted to Supreme court or was he demoted to the lowest court in the boondocks after that case? Just wondering what happened to the good guys who did the good deeds.
Leytenian on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 8:20 am
it’s an incentive for our politicians to have the power to say : hindi niyo ba ako kilala?
an incentive that cannot provide value to the community , a power that the people will never benefit.
The Constitution says:
“Public officials and employees shall remain true to the people at all times. They must act with justness and sincerity and shall not discriminate against anyone.They shall at all times respect the rights of others, and shall refrain from doing acts contrary to law, good morals, good customs, public policy, public order, public safety and public interest.
Public officials and employees shall provide service to everyone without unfair discrimination. ”
Hindi mo ba ako kilala? is a verbal form of discrimination, prejudice and pre-judgement that is in conflict with our Constitution.
Where is Justness and Public safety in this case?
Jon on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 10:12 am
Apparently both sides didn’t know each other. The good thing is, they’re now fighting in the right forum: in the courts. Does it matter who started the fight in computing the correct payment for “damages”?
Will it be considered “justice” for the dela Pazes if the secretary is sacked and the mayor suspended?
Personally, I would prefer to have the both the secretary and the mayor be suspended until the case is resolved. My reason is simple, they can use their office (and its power) to obstruct in the case.
Joseph Guillermo on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 11:51 am
When I was reading the Scribd here I recalled my conversation with the Youtube user Pulisnapogi on the Revised Penal Code Article 11 Sec. 1, where he argued that the Pangandamans are justified in beating the De La Pazes because of the umbrella poke.
I am no lawyer, but when I read the subsequent Sec. 4 in the same Article I can’t help but think that the Court will no longer support the Pangandaman’s case, well unless of course the Honorable offices of the DAR and the Mayor of Masiu is dragged and influenced it.
Anyways, I must commend on your call for the rule of law and for the vigilance that the Republic demands.
Do support a moderate call here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/call-for-vigilance-to-the-antipolo-mauling-incident
mlq3 on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 12:05 pm
Valley Golf Case Inconsistencies
Jon on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 2:44 pm
Kahit ano pa ang sasabihin ng mga Pangandaman, talagang si Mayor Nasser ang nagsimulang nanuntok!
At ang kanilang counter-suit na abuse of minor ay dahil tumira na ang mga dela paz habang nasa golf cart si Angel! Wow, dapat diyan ay endangerment of own child by bringing him in the golf course! Grabe, talagang walang magbibigay dito kaya tuloy ang kaso and the blogging world will not stop talking about this also!
TonGuE-tWisTeD on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 2:48 pm
The other flightmate of Nasser Jr, Adnan Pacasum, I presume is a cousin, or at least a relative. Looked like the same age as the brothers and similarly, heavy-built (check Facebook). The Pandamans’ father is married to a Bai Yasmin Pacasum and it would of course be knee-jerk for a relative to come to the aid of another who is engaged in a fistfight. There was no mention of him joining the fray in any of the stories that had been published. Or he might have been referred to as one of the bodyguards.
Ang laki ng katawan nung magkapatid, eto may pangatlo pang barako, disregarding the other flight and the bodyguards, napakatrouble-maker naman nitong Delfin Dela Paz para pangunahan yung away na iyun. Suicidal.
kaminaman on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 6:48 pm
This is single-issue advocacy ( fighting the alleged abuses of power by the Pangandamans) will always attract some people but will not resonate with the rest of the people.
No matter how justify and righteous the advocacy is.
Just like telling hungry and poor people the importance of not cutting trees or preserving our forests. True, but why do the the public cares?
Wake up bloggers, iba namang isyu yung dalhin ninyo. Kayo kayo na lang nag kakaintindihan.
A perfect example of elitism. Or are you really out of touch?
No wonder, your campaign against GMA always fell. Ni hindi nga napanpasin ng publiko. Kahit tama yung isyu and your explanations.
Masyado kasing high level ang bloggers.
Anyway, kung talagang for meantal masturbation lang itong blogging.
Dont expect the general public to symphatize or understand the issues you are raising in the blosgosphere.
As i said, kayo-kayo lang.
Cha-cha, involuntary disaapperances, creation of jobs, solving urban squatting, relevance of Catholic religion,and other sects, legitimacy of GMA rule vis-avis the country’s politcal development and maturity, etc etc.
YANG MGA ISYU NA LANG NA YAN. BAKA MAY MAPULOT PA PUBLIKO SA INYO.
MARAMI NA KMING NAG-OOPNE SA MGA BLOG NYO, KAYA LANG NAWALAN KAMI NG GANA.
MASYADO KASI KAYONG ELITISTA.
The EQualizer on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 8:56 pm
“This is single-issue advocacy ( fighting the alleged abuses of power by the Pangandamans) will always attract some people but will not resonate with the rest of the people.”Kaminaman
First they came for Jonas Burgos, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an activist.
Then they came to handcuff and detain journalists in Peninsula upon the orders of the Interior Secretary, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a journalist.
Then they came to pick up Jun Lozada from the airport for a long, long ride, and I didn’t speak up because I was “apatheticâ€.
Then they came to push for Con-Ass to prolong the Malacanang tenant’s stay beyond 2010, and I didn’t speak up because I was “apoliticalâ€.
Then they came to bully a 14-year old boy and his dad in the golf course and I didn’t speak up because…… I wasn’t an “elististaâ€!
Then they came for me……. and by that time no one was left to speak up.
baycas on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 9:00 pm
Both sides cry physical injuries.
On Physical Injuries:
Title Eight, Chapter Two
On Physical Injuries inflicted on minors less than twelve (12) years old:
Article VI
baycas on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 9:01 pm
Both sides cry self-defense.
On Self-Defense:
Title One, Chapter Two
On Self-Defense explained:
The L@w Professor
baycas on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 9:01 pm
From “Murder and the Reasonable Man†by Cynthia Lee
DTA on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 10:59 pm
Too late to get hold of this news, because I was focused on other things, especially with a different subject matter that does not concern with politics or someone’s stupidity.
I read the blog from the alleged victim, and then told myself that whoever blogs an incident and accuses their enemy has the first shot in information warfare; before the Pangandamans could counterreact, their public image has been damaged greatly, carpet-bombed by the blogosphere, shaped by the initial impression made by the recounted incident of the victim involved. It’ll take them some time before the public could forget this incident.
I read the other comments, counter-comments, accusations and counter-accusations, all the dirty skeletons dragged out of the closet, the idiotic trolling, and I shook my head; I’ll be having a hard time accepting those statements, one way or another possibly slanted for the purposes of either aggrieved party.
Until we finally get a notarized statement, officially checked over, the allegations will remain questionable for me, but sadly it’ll be accepted as truth by most people.
Jon on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 11:01 pm
Kaminaman what are you talking about? By posting comments here you’re also a blogger!
So far, talagang walang gustong magbigay daan for an amicable settlement…, talagang pataasan sila ng ihi.
Sa pulit-ulit kong basa ng mga accounts, ang kay Bambee pa rin ang realistic account.
Bert on Tue, 6th Jan 2009 11:48 pm
“MARAMI NA KMING NAG-OOPNE SA MGA BLOG NYO, KAYA LANG NAWALAN KAMI NG GANA.”
pssst, nawalan daw ng gana, e, narito pa rin, heheh.
leytenian on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 3:59 am
ang dami mo namang request. we have discussed all that already. keep browsing.
political development and maturity comes from discussions and debate. it doesn’t matter what issue is being blogged about, it is also about growing at personal level within the blogosphere community. you can disagree and you may prove your point but the beauty of the blog is for free to achieve maturity.
I don’t find Manolo’s blog only for the elites.But I do have the attitude of an elite.
Get that attitude going and use that personal attitude to your advantage. You only have two choices, a pessimist or an optimist. Which one do you think is best for you and for your country. And how do you apply the Bambee case at personal level. Has it occurred to you that it might happen to you and your family in the near future ( knock on wood) ? Who would support you? is it not the blogosphere as a way? The publicity itself is enough to make majority aware. For me, awareness is another form of growing democracy at national level and individual’s maturity at personal level. Both are needed to grow this country.
Kulas on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 5:44 am
Pareho yatang bully itong mga ito(pangandamans & dela Paz). Sa totoo lang marami ring 14 anos na bully dahil sa bully ang magulang – just look at the Pangandamans, bully tatay, bully rin mga anak.
kaminaman on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 8:02 am
BERT,
“pssst, nawalan daw ng gana, e, narito pa rin, heheh.”
If i found something wrong in our society, do i have to live like a hermit?
If i denounced the so-called gross consumerism, do i have to throw away all the items i bought ?
Rob' Ramos on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 4:02 pm
Ah-ha, someone is once again advocating permissiveness.
Kaminaman, regardless of whether its a “single-issue advocacy” or whatever, the mere fact that it involves people in high levels of power, and their actions vs. a “mere” (I put that in quotes because the dela paz family isn’t exactly “mere” either, but are so in relation to the Pangandamans) citizen should be of interest and IS important, alongside the other concerns you mention.
There is actually more to this than its being a “single-issue” thing and (to all the Palace spinsters out there) not necessarily dealing with La Gloria: its about people in positions of power, and the abuse that’s common with them. The… sense of entitlement of the Powerful, if you will, that is still oh-so-prevalent in our supposedly modern society.
As for those other issues… look around, iho. They are being discussed AND dealt with. There are people trying to do their gosh-darned best to help address these issues. Many of them are in the blogosphere, too.
And the last time I looked, there is nothing in a democracy that said its citizens cannot “focus” on an issue of relatively lower importance.
Also, at the end of the day, the citizenry, even the blogosphere, can talk all we want but, really, its in the hands of those in positions of responsibility – and not just in government, either – to do something about it because they hold most of the resources and authority to do so.
This isn’t useless. Debate and discussion serve a purpose in ANY democracy, if only to make people sit up and take notice, lest they forget, and then, as another poster, put it, find out that they cannot debate or discuss any longer.
I for one am heartened by the reactions to this (I actually first saw this over my Plurk, would you believe…). I will submit that we should have, in the spirit of fairness, have heard the side of the Pangandamans themselves.
But I think its gone beyond who threw the first punch. At the end of the day, people I think were horrified by the lack of restraint of the more powerful side in the exercise of that power. Most of the people I talked to about this were angry over THAT, and some even chimed in similar experiences.
And, regardless, why include a 14-year old boy in the melee?
And if the Pangandamans were the aggrieved party, what for the spin?
nowawife on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 4:19 pm
Heard that they are asking the bloggers to stop commenting against them. Well, their surname ( or family at that) would not have been this popular now were it not for their own acts.
Marcelo on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 5:21 pm
Pistols or sabers at dawn?
Bert on Wed, 7th Jan 2009 9:39 pm
“If i found something wrong in our society, do i have to live like a hermit?’
kaminaman,
You want to get back at the denizens that frequent the tree. That’s why you are barking, and scratching, at the tree that harbors you.
You are not living like a hermit, you are living like an ingrate.
baycas on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 12:04 am
A pinoygolfer commenter posted a translation of “Del Fin de la Paz†as “The End of Peace.†But what could really be “The Spark of the Brawl?â€
If “playing through†is already hard enough to accomplish as it is so touchy a task in a gentleman’s game of golf…
…what more if one is “overtaken†– even if it is false?
What is more resentful than having a situation wherein champion golfers in a flight are being overtaken without so much as a very obvious by-your-leave by the offender?
Kortesiya lang, siya nga?
Now, who’s in a better position to initiate settlement talk? Pastrana side or Fortun?
Tigilan na sana ang pataasan…’di ba?
nash on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 12:43 am
” is single-issue advocacy..” kaminanaman…
i love the irony of your post!!!! it made my day.
…..baka ikaw ang single issue..if you go outside this tiny niche of the blogosphere…there are topics ranging from sayote culture to why belo left her boytoy..
supremo on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 12:49 am
Out of topic since the current subject is too local for me to comment on. Is the The Explainer show still on?
Bert on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 2:25 am
supremo, yes, i’ve had a view of The Explainer just the other day in my side of the world.
supremo on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 3:21 am
Bert,
I think they took it out of the ANC line up here. A travel show replaced it.
PhilwoSpEditor on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 8:36 am
marcelo,
Hope its sabers… I’d like to see a mayor and a 56-year-old at it and fight like men. Then again, I wish we could settle disputes in such a manner, just like back in the old days.
Jon on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 12:23 pm
So, if things stand where they are right now: there will be no disciplinary actions against any Pangandaman (does it reflect their clout in the Arroyo admin?), and things will be settled in the courts….in 10 years time?
Bert on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 2:01 pm
supremo,
It’s still ANC here, could be they tranferred it to another time slot in your side.
grd on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 4:00 pm
there was an earlier similar incident in davao where govt pinol mauled an alleged abusive korean national also in the golf course. it did not receive so much attention as this one. not much condemnation. no outrage. no disciplinary action against pinol being a govt official. i think not even a case filed in court.
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anything about the “alabang boys”?
PhilwoSpEditor on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 4:38 pm
grd,
I hope they get those three… I mean, that much drugs and the persecution on the case dismisses the damned thing.
Um, two of the relatives spill the beans (Brodett); Verano did a big boo boo and well I’m waiting for the integrated bar to do something about it because I also think it was unethical even though I’m no law expert; what else… Hmmm, PDEA keeps citing bribery in DOJ without proof or at least audio or video or even paperwork or even PHOTOS. And well this is far from over as I see it…
Personally, I want to see the alabang boys in a congested prison in muntinlupa for 25 years. Really…
Lurker_Lang on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 7:42 pm
grd,
who would want to shout foul..they’re koreans afterall.
but bambee is different! she i one of us… one of us who can afford to play golf. we don’t want any promdi pangandaman strutting around our golf fairway like kings do we? in any case, she is a fellow blogger herself so its understandable if we protect our own kind. never mind the other kind..
kape tayo sa starbucks
Lurker_Lang on Thu, 8th Jan 2009 7:43 pm
“she is one of us”
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 12:09 am
You can only appreciate this brouhaha when you are an avid fan of the game, a weekend type of golfer at the very least. Sadly, some people attempt to make comments with nary a knowledge of the game
Where was the marshal when this happened ? Isn’t he suppose to supervise the fairways and ensure that people go with the flow and finish the game within 4-5 hours ??
It is perfectly OK to go ahead of a SLOWER group as long as you courteusly ask the group in front of you. The de la Pazes were only TWO players – were they on a cart or walking ?? The Pangandaman’s were probably a group of 4 but if they were on a cart, they would be theoretically faster than the 2 people walking.
Question is – did the Pangandamans ask the de la Paz group that they want to go in front of them? Did de la PAz refuse? I can tell you I’ve seen novice golfers who take 15 strokes to finish a par 4, look for every goddam ball that goes into the woods and it backs up the entire 18 holes. When this happens, you want to go in front of them or ask the marshall to get them going on time.
There’s lots of loose ends in this incident that we do not know. It’s either Pangandaman barged his way ahead of de la Paz without asking his approval, or de la Paz refused to grant the request – who knows. One thing is certain – one side or both sides have lack knowledge of golf etiquette hence they ended up cutting each others’ throats
rego on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 12:50 am
Hey I play golf too, But there no fucking way that I appreciate this brouhaha and how they even deal with it. There is just no sense for people debate on it. Both parties shoudl just go to court and settle everything there. Dont drag the whole nation for their personal drama, please!.
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 1:10 am
Golf requires concentration, skill and the golf swing. .
I am a golfer and golf etiquette is an extremely important part of my game.
Etiquette has to do with manners. It is thru the courtesy I show to other people that I communicate my respect for them and that I show them how important I think they are.
Golf is a game that requires my concentration. If I am in the process of teeing off , or trying to make a putt or swing my iron into a narrow fairway, it will be much more difficult for me to concentrate if someone is laughing, cell phone is ringing, rattling their clubs, someone around the tee or green. or someone is waving at me.
I’m not sure if this ” tililing ocho ocho mentality” de lapa maz melee is about PACE of Play. Golf of 18 holes can be played in average hours from 4 hours to 6 hours depending on how many players and the weather. Pace of play can be readily available prior to your first tee at the clubhouse.
I think this is about Play through. Playing Through another group is one of the most difficult and contentious parts of golf. It is difficult because, often, there is an implication that the group who is “being played through” is guilty of slow play and they typically resent that implication — even if it’s true. So if you are going to ask another group to allow you to play through them, do so in a courteous manner and at a convenient time in the round.
Convenient time in the round should be prior to the set up at the tee or after putting at the greens on the way to the next tee. It should not be in the fairway, not at the greens, not while walking around the fairway or in the middle of a PAR 3, 4 or 5 hole game.
Here’s my take: If there is another group immediately ahead of the group you are asking, they will naturally decline to let you through and they will be annoyed that you bothered them.
Therefore the pangandamans annoyed and bothered the dela paz at the wrong time. The Pangandamans don’t understand golf etiquette. They should not play the game of golf . They should just focus on their guns. It’s not the right combination of their lifestyle and temper.
One thing about golf is you never annoy anyone, never. Don’t even try to play through. That’s ethics. Just relax and swing.
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 1:42 am
ouch… I guess the golf ethics in Pinas is a little different
In North America it is perfectly OK to ask to be let through, as long as it is done for the convenience of everyone, say a couple of guys in a cart behind 4 guys walking. If you are not sure you can call the marshall and ask for help and he will make the decision.
Bert on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 2:01 am
“You can only appreciate this brouhaha when you are an avid fan of the game, a weekend type of golfer at the very least. Sadly, some people attempt to make comments with nary a knowledge of the game “-bw
Why sadly? I have nary a knowledgeof the game but I commented that kids should be spared the violence that adults in the fairway indulge in their moments of rage.
Do I have to be a Tiger Wood to have the luxury of saying that?
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 2:11 am
Nope, I wasn’t referring to you in particular. It’s about taking our blinders off and pause with our tendency to stereo-type people. Perhaps we just need to have a sense of appreciation of what really happens in the fairway. That is all what I am trying to say.
Here’s something interesting :
http://www.filipinovoices.com/sanctions-set-over-golf-melee
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 3:47 am
bw,
I guess the golf ethics in Pinas is a little different
In North America it is perfectly OK to ask to be let through
Golf is also game of patience. Your actions in the fairway reflects your personality of the game and your score. Playing through can be acceptable but one must understand this.
“If there is another group immediately ahead of the group you are asking, they will NATURALLY DECLINE to let you through and they will be ANNOYED that you bothered them.
take note of the word NATURAL. That’s the foundation of manner and ethics in sports.
In this case, the Pangandamans will be better off playing with guns.
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 3:53 am
bw,
Golfers normally DO NOT PLAY THROUGH except when the group ahead of you are not good golfers. The not so good golfers will allow the good players to pass through.
In this case, the de la paz are good players, the 18 year old is a golf scholar. Therefore, their manners oon
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 4:01 am
I don’t think the mayor showed patience in this case and even did his part to know the group ahead of them. It was his responsibility to take action because he is the one who ask to play through. If the dela paz says NO, then the mayor should have respected that. It is the mayor’s responsibility to assess the dela paz group’s acceptance of his request. If the dela paz showed arrogance then the mayor should just say ” sorry, it’s ok. I was just asking if I can catch up with my dad who are ahead of you. And sorry to bother you. Have a good game. and see you around”
you see, that’s what i’m going to say if I sense that the group ahead of me is showing signs of being annoyed by my request. I guess i have a better personality skills over the mayor. I should become a mayor then
heheheh
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 4:18 am
bw,
are you sure that all golfers in america will ask to play through during a normal PACE of Play. If there were few golfers in a particular time frame , it is still the responsibility of the golfer who will ask to ‘PLAY THROUGH” to assess the state of mind of the golfers who are ahead.
Again, the mayor has no right to claim his own PACE OF PLAY.
Now, BW, do you really play good golf or you are just of those golfers who annoys people at the golf course. Or you are just playing because you want to branded as a golfer. I am sensing you are not.
I am reacting because this is obviously POLITICAL arrogance. Who has more responsibility to the public for apology, the dela paz or the pangandamans? who pays the pangandamans salary and make money to play golf? is it not you and me and my mother and my family as well as the family of dela paz?
It would be more appropriate professionally for the mayor to just resign or give the public a humble apology and accept his own mistakes. It is not even just about the dela paz, it is about the blogosphere.
There’s no amount of explanations from the political side that could change the perception of the filipino people. It was not right and it is embarrassing for the whole country. It will not matter if the dela paz were arrogant, they have the rights to say NO and be arrogant about it.
Pilipinoparin on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 4:56 am
“Personally, I want to see the alabang boys in a congested prison in muntinlupa for 25 years. Really…” Philwo
I second the motion. But I doubt it, they belong to the bigwigs and if ever they are convicted, most probably it would be like a tap on the wrist or the most, a few years in Munti in special condos with all amenities, separate from jailed Juan de la Cruz…just like Jalosjos.
The more “explosive bomb” here is how these lawyers do their tricks! How could they “manufacture” those papers? It is supposed to be signed by the Sec? the highest guy in that Department? Talagang malakas ang loob ano? Is it common in DOJ?
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 5:38 am
I play golf every weekend here bro – between late spring and fall. I play in public courses – majority of which are in this part of the world. How about you?
Playing through isn’t the rule of the game – it is an exception. On many ocassions we had to let a lone golfer or a pair ahead because he/they had to wait for 4 of us ( we were all walking). We also felt no pressure if no one is trailing us and we can take our time – that sort of thing. Now if the courses are full, each group need to keep up with the pace. No need to kill each other for this.
Going back to the brouhaha, if you check the link I supplied in my last post, the marshal had confirmed that the Pangandamans were actually registered in the flight before the de la Pazes and were simply catching up.
Here’s the Pinoy crap that is typical of our nature – ” I am a frigging member of this club – who the fuck are you trying to get ahead of me ?”
Now, Bambee de la Paz, a golf scholar at the University of Cincinnati was with the de la Paz group. I’m pretty sure she knows golf ettiqute to the letter. In her blog she claims the Pangandamans didn’t have the courtesy to ask – they just went through.
Who is telling the truth ? Net net, there was no reason for latercations which could lead to cutting each other’s throats. What was at stake here ? Frigging 10 minutes of delay ????
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 5:42 am
altercations
TonGuE-tWisTeD on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 6:35 am
Ah, so any mayor with his bodyguards can register and even if you’re MORE THAN AN HOUR LATE, the starter allows you to tee off at hole #4! No need to be inconvenienced by waiting at the clubhouse. Ang galing.
Golf course ba talaga yang Valley Golf o sungkaan?
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 6:44 am
bw,
i’m not a bro but a sis. so if the mayor was indeed registered to be ahead of the dela paz but LATE on pace of Play. who has the responsibility to maintain order of Pace of Play and warned the dela paz that a possible Play through may occur?
the mayor’s reaction of insisting that he was registered first is irrelevant. Because the dela paz was already allowed to tee off by VGCC. They were already on the 4th or 5th tee. If I have to calculate the time in every hole at normal pace, it could be every 15 minutes for golf cart and longer for walking as time spent in every hole.
This could mean that the mayor was late for an hour or more from the original registration. I will not believe that the mayor was only late for 30 minutes because this could only take the dela paz on the second hole.
Even if we assumed that the pangandamans were registered together, the mayor who was late should have confronted the club marshall and let the marshall do all the talking to the dela paz so that the mayor can play through. Is it not the right thing to do as a public servant?, to uphold the law of ethics and respect the citizens he serves
The dela paz has the right to say NO to anybody who will play through, don’t you think?
If we are both on the same golf course, I am ahead of you. I am walking with 2 other friends and you are in the cart with 2 other friends. How do you approach me to play thru. When is the best time to approach me and my group? What would be your reaction if I will say NO to your request of play through? would you say, hindi mo ba ako kilala?
As a golfer, do you request to play through in the middle of the fairways where I am already on my second shot or when I’m done with the hole?
Do you like to swing your club when moving golf cart or moving object is within your vicinity of view? It could have been that the mayor did not wait for the right time that the dela paz was annoyed. In this case, who is responsible in starting the fight?
The whole issue is political with no ethics and moral. Please do not play like the mayor. It will not improve your game.
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 7:20 am
bw,
it’s not altercations. it’s about ethics in golf and ethics in public service. the latter is what make this issue sensational. it reflects the ethical behavior of the current administration.
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 7:56 am
You nailed it sis .. The marshal should have informed de la Paz that the Pangandamans are registered in the flight before them. Now, should de la Paz acquiesce to the marshal’s request ? In my book and consistent with the golf rule book, the answer is YES. That’s what marshals do – they regulate the flow of the game. NOTE : I’m only talking of letting through with the flight directly BEHIND me.
Now, If I was to be told to wait to let through another team 3 holes behind me to catch up with their flight ahead of me – hindi pwede yan. That’s not consistent with the rule book. If they want to play with their mates in front of me, they better skip the 3 holes
and join them immediately. I would give a rats ass if they join them on the 17th hole – it’s their money , not mine .
We of course know that what transpired after was the case of pataasan ng ihi, sindakan – bakit inuuhanan mo ako, sino ka ba, e late ka naman blah..blah. In short, both parties started making a mountain out of a molehill and nearly killed each other in the process
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 7:59 am
I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass…
leytenian on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 8:30 am
bw,
the pangandamans did not ask permission to play through. they drove pass the dela paz. Now, is this consistent with your book in the game of golf? if not, what’s your reaction?
me, I will get my money back and confront the mayor. the mayor then has the responsibility to keep it calm.His actions ruined his own credibility. Now they are begging to stop the blogs. hahahah. that’s what they get from bringing their barbaric side in the golf course.
in normal scenario, anybody would be insulted or upset if someone will just play through without permission.
the pangandamans were not fair at all. They were using their power to control the PACE of play. No way Jose.
sleek on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 9:09 am
why is Gloria still not suspending both pangandamans from public service? what did Gloria owe to these people?
Gloria should not care anymore. She only has until 2010 anyway. Make then resign Now or Never.
Bloggers keep your voices loud. Great job.
bw on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 11:03 am
Barbaric actions are never justified in any manner whatsoever and this is what makes it shameful.
For me and in my experience many times over , the marshal’s instruction is more compelling than the player’s request. I have no issue if a group goes in front of me as long as the marshal has forewarned me of the reason.
Problem in Pinas is politicians feel a sense of entitlement and preferential treatment hence the lack of humility. Club members also consider themselves a chosen lot, esp when you have an elite player in your team you think you’re being dissed if people pass you over. Bottom line it’s freaking PRIDE on both protagonists that caused the escalation to violence. Further – do these elite people respect the MARSHAL anyway? E empleyado lang ng club yung marshal at puro saludo sa lahat na guests ang pobre
Kahambugan lang ang dahilan ng incident na ito. In my opinion, both parties are at fault here and man, I’m not a Gloria fan either but common, she’s got nothing to do with these pathetic assholes who squabble over marbles – that’s stretching it too far in my opinion.
I think the Valley club is on the right path by expelling both these numnuts from the membership for their stupidity which is an insult to a gentleman’s sport that relies heavily on the most extraordinary set of rules in the world of sport. Only in golf can you get disqualified for carrying more than 8 balls and 14 clubs in a tournament
It’s a fun game with absolutely no body contact and here’s people trying to kill each other all because of a tee off confusion… yikes 
sleek on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 12:07 pm
bullshit all of you people !
hindi niyo ba ako kilala?
I gave Gloria millions of votes. She owed me her seat.
I will not resign over this brawl.
Oh ano, kilala niyo na ako?
I will counter sue for bullshitting me… tandaan niyo yan!!!!!
and the farmers are begging for their lands that the DAR secretary cannot deliver.
hvrds on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 12:45 pm
Why can’t people distinguish between etiquette and ethics.
Both sides are guilty of bad etiquette. However the one side that has the so called political power stepped over the bounds of ethical behavior.
Ethical/moral values in a country run by fiefdoms means the De la Paz family should have first addressed the other side as your Lordships to inquire as to why they appeared to have jumped the line so to speak.
Those Lords were taken aback when they were not recognized and given their proper due. The group should have had their bodyguards first inform the elder De La Paz that they were royalty and could do as they pleased. The sons of the Secretary of Dar should not have even spoken to De La Paz and should have had their asistants take care of the matter.
Hey guys settle down already as when you are on the streets of the Philippines and hear a “wang wang” you give way no matter who is jumping the line.
Carl on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 2:38 pm
Bad remake: “CADDYSHACK” Philippine version.
Bert on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 3:05 pm
“You can only appreciate this brouhaha when you are an avid fan of the game….”-bw
Ah, so, golfer as you are, you appreciate this brouhaha, as if that brawl in the Valley Golf and Boxing Club a shooting of a Max Alvarado film, heheh.
Wierd foreign golfer!
Rob' Ramos on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 4:14 pm
I don’t understand why I have to be a golfer to “appreciate” that a MAYOR, the son of a Cabinet Secretary no less, beat up or was part of a group that beat up a 14-year old kid.
I’m all for hearing other sides and not taking a black-and-white position on any issue, but, really… beating up a 14-year old. Over golf.
So, tell me… is there something that could ever justify THAT?
And please note that what complicates this matter is the fact that the Pangandamans are a political family. Too bad for them there’s already bad name-association with that, but I know of a lot of political families who DO exercise restraint when in an altercation. The thing was, REGARDLESS of who started it, a decent individual would NOT have beat up a 14-year old kid!
Yes, we are all witness to the way our so-called leaders exercise entitlement, but… really: beating up a kid?
Does that seem EXCUSABLE to you?
Carl on Fri, 9th Jan 2009 10:14 pm
“Two wrongs don’t make a right but three rights make a left.†– From the classic movie “Caddyshack”
baycas on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 12:52 am
More of “Happy Gilmore”
…i.e., Gilmore x2 (DLP + P)*
Twice the violent behavior…but nothing hilarious.
Latest Reviews:
VGCC weekly: “Why did it have to happen here?”
DAR bulletin: “For the Secretary’s eyes only.”
Bloggers monthly: “Bring it on!”
NBI daily: “A must-see!”
RP times: “Two thumbs down!”
GMA fortnightly: “Two thumbs up…and a tongue out!!!”
—–
*MTRCB rating XX
baycas on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 1:02 am
Addendum:
Masiu chronicle: “A box office sensation!”
bw on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 4:10 am
Bob Ramos -
This is what I said “Barbaric actions are never justified in any manner whatsoever and this is what makes it shameful”
Agree. The Pangandamans have to suffer the consequences of their barbaric actions. If the court says they each deserve a belly putter plunged into their butts from tip to toe, so be it. But that doesn’t mean that de la Paz can trot around with his tongue out celebrating victory. The courts must likewise smash his balls with a wedge ( a driver will be a bit too much methinks
) for acting like a prick and for stupidly causing misery to himself and to his poor son. 
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 4:36 am
bw,
i think it was courageous for bambee to express her anger and bino to let it out at a young age. although i will not encourage it to my children but the people of this country has been so voiceless. this case spread like wildfire across the blogosphere. It gives signal to all political figures that activity is not only on rally but on the internet. these kids will be stronger because they did the right thing. Arrogance is curable but the foundation of a barbaric exposure can be compared to a stone age personality. That will take a long time for the pangandamans to repair.
i still believe that the mayor threw the first punch to the arrogant mouth of dela paz. ( i won’t blame dela paz though) . If this case will go to trial and i happen to be one of the jury, I will send the mayor to jail and suspend the DAR secretary. That’s what democracy is all about.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 7:34 am
my two cents on this, let me put it this way, i am mr.dela paz, with my fourteen year old son and eighteen or something daughter, trying to pick a fight with bulky men and with body guards. i don’t care how disrespected i felt i was but common sense will tell me i will have the shit beat out of me and i will put my son and daughter in danger too. maybe the fact that he was a member of country club gave a false sense of security that if the fight escalated people will intervene and nothing will happen. or maybe he only was expecting verbal tirades and that’s it.
i don’t really care about both sides. they could beat the shit out of each other for all i care. if you are that stupid to put yourself, your son and daughter in danger just because of golf etiquette? don’t get me wrong i play golf too, so none of those “only golfers will understand” crap. there is a time and place to pick your battle. instead of raising hell mr dela paz could have brought it with the management and made a better role model of himself to his son and daughter. again, mr, dela paz i never thought he’ll get the beating of his life!
then the daughter goes to blog and blame everyone else except his dad who should have exercise restraint and could have avoided all this. now that the public is (mostly) behind them they are willing to settle out of court?! sorry to say mr. dela paz deserve to have his ass kicked but not his son and dauhgter. you will hate me for writing these but son and daughter should kick dad’s ass too for putting them in danger!
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 7:56 am
istambay,
did you really think that dela paz could have have known that the Pangandamans are dangerous on the first place? in normal day to play golf, would you really think that there will be danger in in the golf course? Danger sign was not visible.
Danger was not expected. This is a golf course for god sake except for lightning. Even lightning don’t have sign around the course , the weatherman will tell you that. It was a perfect day for the children to play golf. Of course, you don’t put your children in danger, that’s common sense but that’s beside the point.
The word dangerous confirms even more that the pangandamans are indeed dangerous.
Perfect wildfire across the internet. I am loving it.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:15 am
as i have earlier stated, dad with teenage son and daughter against a group of young bulky men, where is your common sense. and if he forgot he was in da pilipins not in tate as some of our ex-pats are. anywhere you are you always in danger. sad and embarrassing but it is the reality here in pinas. i don’t care if they are the pangandamans or the tarpolanos you don’t put yourself in a situation that can put your family in harms way! in a country club or tennis club!
hello! yes, i treat all government officials as dangerous, especially with gma admin.. you have to be ignorant not to do so! harsh reality isn’t it?
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:18 am
with regads to lightning in golf courses, common sense will tell you not to use an umbrella with steel point during those weather condition. just common sense.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:23 am
“Danger sign was not visible. ”
if you need a “danger sign” all the time to tell you that danger is just around the corner then maybe God wasn’t generous when he showered us humans with common sense.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:30 am
let me make it clear here, i am not defending the pangandamans in any form or shape. the point i am trying to get across here is that mr. dela paz is not faultless in what has transpired. all of this could have been avoided if BOTH parties could have practiced restraint on their parts. but a lot of water under the bridge and i see that both parties are willing to settle of court amicably without admitting fault on either side!
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:48 am
istambay,
the golf course is not a place that one will expect danger in normal condition. the possibility of danger is LOW. Now if you take you children to a crowded place in the are of mindanao and you know for fact that there’s recent bombing in the area, then you are putting your children in danger.
The word danger do not belong to the golf course where the scenery is very beautiful therefore the pangandamans were a danger to a golf course that no one would have ever known. anybody who will verbally intimidate them will be in danger.
maybe we should not use the word danger? how about barbaric?
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:50 am
correction: Now if you take you children to a crowded place in the area of mindanao and you know for a fact that there was a recent bombing in the area, then you are putting your children in danger.
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:55 am
istambay,
i will still use my umbrella to poke somebody for self defense if provoke. we all know that an umbrella is not the right tool to start a fight. it is just common sense.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:01 am
“The word danger do not belong to the golf course where the scenery is very beautiful”
are sure you are a golfer??? let us take away pangandamans from the equation and a golf course is still a dangerous place on it’s own! have you heard of people getting hit by golf balls and one should always be alert when someone yells “fore!” ? a golf course is a beautiful place indeed but dangerous as well! but let us not stray from the point that mr dela paz is not as faultless as most may think he is. not only he managed to got the shit beat out of him he also place his own son and daughter in harms way. atapang a tao eh!
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:05 am
“i will still use my umbrella to poke somebody for self defense if provoke. we all know that an umbrella is not the right tool to start a fight. it is just common sense.
”
my dear ex-pat from tate. umbrella will give you some protection in certain situation, but unfortunately not that time. several bulky young men and you use your umbrella??? where is the common sense in that. not so common after all pala.
baycas on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:12 am
Latest volley from one of the protagonists in the Valley Golf mess:
http://abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01/09/09/pangandaman-files-libel-raps-vs-de-la-paz-over-blog
http://www.unlawyer.net/?p=1599
Wanted: Another peace panel member
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:15 am
istambay,
my point was, it was not the dela paz who started the fight. many blogs commenter said that the dela paz poke the mayor with his umbrella. I don’t think the umbrella can be admissible as the tool used by the suspect. it is admissible for as a tool for self defense. don’t you think?
baycas on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:20 am
Hmmm…never tag along a non-golfer 8-year-old on a golf course.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:22 am
sec.pangandaman deserves to fired from DAR and so do the majority of gma’s cabinet gang for being incompetent and corrupt but will it ever happen? i don’t think so. this valley golf beating, yeah beating not brawl, is just a side show!
just look at (in)juctice gonazalez, berating the PDEA agent for doing his job and exposing corruption in the (in)justice dept.!
suntok sa buwan na kusang magresign o ma-fire out ni gma ang mga pangandamans at ang mga tage cabinete!
from lanao on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:24 am
baycas,
On Pangandaman files libel raps vs De la Paz over blog.
if the mayor will sue for libel then the whole Philippines will never stop making hate blogs against him. If he will do that then he will be subject to more libelous materials over the internet. It will never stop. He made many people so angry. let him sue and will see where he will end up. matigas talaga ang ulo nang gago. tingnan natin.
hindi ba niya kilala ang mga pilipino?
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:26 am
“Hmmm…never tag along a non-golfer 8-year-old on a golf course.”
were you expecting some form or shape of intelligence from the pangandamans? your kidding right? told you common sense was not that common to either side! but one person got the beating for his lack of common sense though and got his kids in harms way too.
from lanao on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:32 am
send the mayor to jail. suspend the DAR secretary. the rest of the corrupts will have its turn. this topic is about the pangandamans.
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:36 am
the dela paz exercise their golf etiquette and was annoyed by the mayor, not knowing that the mayor can invoke danger. this is not about common sense. this is about insult to one’s pride. now that is common sense
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:40 am
now pride, is that one of those seven deadly sins catholics are being taught to stay away from because it can lead you to your downfall? ha! it is, it is! and guess what pride brought mr. dela paz? he should have taught his kids humility instead! eh. what is that common sense again?
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:44 am
leytenian, have you read that book titled “don’t sweat small stuff’ ? i think you should and mr. dela paz too. there is one chapter that talks about being right but it is worth all the trouble? the author also said that if it won’t matter 2-5 years from now just let it go! maybe just maybe mr. dela paz should have just practiced common sense instead.
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:50 am
istambay,
i think it might be mr dela paz children who motivated the father to get annoyed. on bambee’s blog, she clearly highlighted that the mayor did not ask permission to play through. sometimes the children can cause the dad in trouble. look at the mayor pangandaman, he can cause the suspension of his father. worst, their political reputation, credibility and public integrity. it’s not common sense to for any public officials to get into something that may ruin their career reputation.
on the family of dela paz, its normal for the father to make the children happy on Pace of Play and confront the mayor why he played through. now that’s common sense
and besides, the children are more believable than the 27 year old. don’t you think ?
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 9:52 am
istambay,
it’s not small stuff when the SR DAR beg the public to top blogging.
it may be small to you but you are talking to me
it just common sense.
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:01 am
istambay,
in fairness to you, i’m not really focus on dela paz small mindedness as you say so. i am more focus on the conduct and ethical behavior of public official. Just connect all those small pieces together so that you will find the big stuff.
this case is highly political and can be cultural. it spread like wildfire across the internet. it’s sensational.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:04 am
leytenian, if what you say is true that it was the dela paz kids that got their father all worked up then he deserved the beating twice over. he is supposed to be the role model. bring able to explain it to his kids that there is a proper way to deal with certain situation. a father who gets in trouble because he wants to make his kids happy deserves it twice over!
again while we are at this spirited discussion, it is a given that either side’s version will biased to each own version as none of us were there and we have only hearsay and bambee’s account is of course has to be treated as biased version. let me point out one detail from the pangandamans’ version of events where in they claimed that the dela paz’s kids, teeing off while the pangandamans’ group were still in fairway! now any golfer knows how dangerous that is. it’s a very big no no. you can actually kill somebody! IF that is true, then mr. dela paz committed a golf mortal sin.
bw on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:09 am
If you’re 15 mins late and your flight had teed off why can’t you join your buddies on the 3rd hole ??? Sure you missed 2 holes and didn’t get you money’s worth but why will the flight behind you get offended ?? Huh ? You’ve paid for your green fee, you missed two holes yeah but you want to play and you were registered anyways. WTF is wrong with catching up ?? Why will you not allow the dude to catch up when the flight can still take two players to form a foursome ?
For those who haven’t played golf ever, this will sound huh – WTF are you talking about ??? I think it is important to understand how the game is played to figure out who did what , if someone broke the rules and what caused them to strangle each other.
That is what I meant and I didn’t intend to diss anyone, when I said we have to appreciate the game to get a better prespective of this brouhaha. Yes? No? Mwhe?
For someone to say, no flight must pass me because it annoys me, it gives the impression I’m slow and what not, it disses me – I got news for you. Maybe you should stop playing the game because golf isn’t for pricks and uptight jerks who thinks the wind have to be at acertain mph, the sun to be at a certain angle and the birds must stop chirping when he hits the golf ball. Play with people and have fun even with octogenarians who can no longer control their fart. Let people go through, get through people, smile, say hello. Unless you’re driving 300+ yards and scoring 65 in which case you should be in the PGA tour, there’s no reason for you to act like you own the frigging golf course, duh
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:18 am
hey, you can make as a big of a deal if you want! if you still don’t get it that is cultural (i’m not sure if that is the right term) for a filipino government official to beat the shit out of somebody who gets in their way then you’re been away from pinas for too long. again, i am not saying it is right and we just have to accept it as norm, but at the moment it is the reality here, for a while, and if somebody claims that it is not then i might just be living on the wrong part of pinas. and i am not from mindanao. i do have relatives who have lived with our muslim brothers peacefully for decades.
and it is not just our muslim brothers, our fellow christian brothers in government are no better too. i don’t know what is it being in government has a way of altering ones personality and thinking that other people seem to be at their mercy! harsh reality that i hope we can change. for one it would be very prudent and wise to chose your battle with them.
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:18 am
istambay,
that’s not relevant. the case was not about someone got hit with a golf ball.
but to be fair , your statement can be used in the court of law as attempted battery but it is very difficult to prove because there was no physical injury. kung may bukol ang ulo nang mayor, then the case will be on his favor
but it turns out to be the opposite.
we don’t know if that statement is true therefore it is weak.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:25 am
unless you are tiger woods or phil mickelson and the likes then golf should be a relaxing sports. beatutiful greens and the smell of freshly watered and cut grass is so relaxing. just watch out for the stray golf balls! otherwise relax and take a nice stroll across the greens.
but again, here in pinas. some of the country club member tend to look down on people they’ve just seen for the first time in THEIR country club. they give you that stare and asked the staff who you are and he is a member here? very typical of pinoy attitude!
leytenian on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:28 am
istambay,
honestly, if that case happen in the US, the mayor will go to jail for beating a minor . the DAR secretary will have to resign for shame.
i think democracy in the philippines is still in its infancy. it needs to be nurtured. the people is becoming voiceless and scared to fight against any political figure. it is a sad reality.
I am hoping that all this brouhaha, will send signals to all political figure that they have to uphold what’s written in our Constitution.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:29 am
“that’s not relevant. the case was not about someone got hit with a golf ball.”
for the second time, are you sure you are a golfer??? i will be smoking with anger is somebody teed off while i was still in the fairway. it does not matter if nobody got hit. again it is a BIG NO NO !!!! calling any decent golfer here, please explain to ms. leytenian this point. you should try it when you play golf with your amigas.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:31 am
“honestly, if that case happen in the US, the mayor will go to jail for beating a minor . the DAR secretary will have to resign for shame.”
newsflash: “leytenian you’re not in kansas anymore!”
sleek on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:32 am
exaggeration. clueless. naive.
istambay_sakalye on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 10:35 am
“I am hoping that all this brouhaha, will send signals to all political figure that they have to uphold what’s written in our Constitution.”
newsflash #2: as long as gma is still in palace no one in government will ever get punished for abusing his/her authority! only those doing the right thing like the whistle blowers will get persecuted(not just prosecuted) by our government.
baycas on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 11:28 am
Looking at it the other way, the 8-year-old boy caused his dad to be late.
Catching up with his flight mates, his dad appeared to be “overtaking†another flight. It so happened that an arrogant dad, who btw is very particular to golf etiquette* esp. on the need to ask permission first before playing through** or whatever, got in the way of the 8-year-old boy’s dad.
So, who really started it all?
I guess, it’s still anybody’s guess…
depending on one’s point of view…
AND common sense.
—–
*very particular to Golf etiquette when it crosses his line; not exactly particular when he is the violator (remember the flying balls?)
**being played through may not really be that easy (according to mrgolf’s Jim Corbett, link given above) esp. for the arrogant dad, MORE SO, if the other dad appears to have overtaken his champion-golfers flight without so much as an obvious by-your-leave
Bert on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 3:04 pm
“my two cents on this, let me put it this way, i am mr.dela paz, with my fourteen year old son and eighteen or something daughter, trying to pick a fight with bulky men and with body guards.”-istambay
istambay,
that’s ok, can’t argue with that. you’re right. and we are on the same side of the fence, heheh.
but, you know, sometimes we have to do some balancing act, more so here in manolo’s blog, nakakahiya kay manolo.
so, if I have to share my two cents on this I will add something more and put it this way…that if I were the pangandaman….
you know, kids are so fun to be with, we just don’t have the heart to hurt them, is all.
akonaman on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 6:50 pm
we must be too fixated with the so-called Valley golf incident.
The Pangandamans, if they were really wrong which in the first place has yet to be rpoven in a court of law, deserve fair treatment.
Do we have the evidence to prove that they were guilty?
Let the rule of law prevail and justice done.
Let us move on.
Stop the impeachment and destabilzation efforts.
Puzzled?
Middle class hypocrites?
That was how you treated the issues against GMA.
Now you are crying out lout ofr oune of yout kind.
Sheesh
vic on Sat, 10th Jan 2009 8:49 pm
I read BW posts here and knowing he is also from my city which host to numerous Public Golf Courses where every resident of the city have the privilege to play at very affordable fees, i never heard any untoward incidents like the de la Paz incident…and the rules is right there in the Parks and Recreation Web for everyone to study before booking their games.
baycas on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 12:21 am
This could be interesting:
I wonder why the comment box is “obliterated†in the blog post “Obliterated: An Anti Pangandaman Blogger…â€
baycas on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 12:31 am
In the blog post “Obliterated: An Anti Pangandaman Blogger…â€
A Filipina Mom Blogger could have been Touched by Angel’s Angel.
sleek on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 12:59 am
the mayors libel suit against bambee dela paz will not make things better. Suing is on his disadvantage and will make things worst for him. The people has no sympathy for him and yet he is still trying to prove his point. Whether he was wrong or right, it won’t matter. He deserves it.
Suing for libel confirms his own stupidity and his inability to understand the culture and the people of this country.
baycas on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 1:12 am
Viloriadotnet answered why he closed the comment box here.
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 3:42 am
“Ouster move
vs Puno on:”
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090111-182650/Ouster-move-vs-Puno-on
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 3:49 am
“you know, kids are so fun to be with, we just don’t have the heart to hurt them, is all.”
–as i already stated earlier, you expect any form or shape of intelligence from the pangandamans? or any gma government officials for that matter.
if mr. dela paz did it the proper way instead of raising hell and getting beat up in the process, including his son, then we won’t be having these discussion if who’s at fault.
bpga on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 3:58 am
“if mr. dela paz did it the proper way instead of raising hell and getting beat up in the process, including his son, then we won’t be having these discussion if who’s at fault”.. istambay
iba ka rin naman ano, istambay, kung sino pa ang binugbog ng mga sanggano siya pa ngayon ang may sala. onli in da Pilipins!
sleek on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 4:22 am
blogging is now our new revolution. keep it alive
bpga on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 4:44 am
the bigwig: Kilala mo ba ako!
Juan: Eh sino ka ba? Anong pakialam ko kung sino ka basta nasa katwiran ako!
Kailan kaya papalag si Juan de la Cruz?
bpga on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 4:51 am
maiba ako, bakit kaya tahimik ang mga lawyers dito tungkol sa Alabang boys? selective memory or is it too near territory, heheheh.
bpga on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 4:55 am
the straight talking with a big stick CJ Puno for impeachment? onli in the Pilipins again!
baycas on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 9:21 am
The main difference between blogging and MSM is that the former is very dynamic. Not only does a blog post take a life of its own (consider Bambee’s)…the blog post can be edited (with a sleight of hand and afterthought) even ad infinitum as events will unfold. Possibly from a one-sided point of view into a more balanced blogging, for instance.
Moreover, a particular post can be duplicated in a number of different web pages.
A blog work’s vibrance is what is exemplified in viloriadotnet’s “Obliterated: An Anti Pangandaman Blogger†(I cited above on January 11th, 2009 at 12:21 am).
A blogger failed to edit her multiplydotcom (somewhat a mirror site of her home blog) initially but now it has been changed ever since viloriadotnet posted the abovementioned blog. Who knows now how long the unedited version will be viewed in Google Cache, nevertheless, the trickery was already done to rectify whatever mistakes or lapses made.
Even viloriadotnet is guilty with this sleight of hand when he edited and deleted my comments here.
That’s revolution…
but I also believe it has to be kept alive.
baycas on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 9:22 am
Now, as what Rom is fond of saying, caveat lector is to be remembered when reading blogs or fora…or anything on the Web for that matter. I believe cum grano salis has to be reminded also.
Consider again Bambee’s blog post against the Pangandamans…
There may be some reason to believe that it has metamorphosed from a “wild†post into a “tame†one. A pinoygolfer commenter alerted readers of the possibility of Bambee’s “unsanitized†version of her blog post here:
bilocano on Mon Jan 05, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Viloriadotnet on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 11:02 am
Sleight of hand? Well, it is in plain sight, right? It is very obvious that the comment was edited. No sleight of hand there.
But I will return the link now that it is clearer to me who mentioned the word “linkbait”
sleek on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 1:02 pm
it doesn’t matter what has been said on bambee’s blog. it was more on her immature side but the main point of the blog was never edited and I don’t care.
if we have to consider personality profiling to build a solid case, the pangandamans can be conceived as the public’s enemy number one.
if we have to consider environmental foundation, the pangandamans are more dangerous than the dela paz.
if we have to consider the Constitution’s , the pangandamans were unethical . The DAR secretary had all the power to halt the fight but he never did anything.
if we have to consider golf etiquette, the pangandamans did not care what etiquttte is. he can annoy people at all ages. he was late to follow the normal Pace of play.
In terms of abuse of power, the dela paz abused his power at golf course level . The pangandamans abused the power at national level.
This is our revolution.
Orion on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 1:51 pm
Valley Golf verdict: Dela Paz expelled, DAR chief suspended
SOPHIE DEDACE, GMANews.TV
01/11/2009 | 01:16 PM
MANILA, Philippines – Officials from the Valley Golf Course and Country club in Antipolo on Sunday recommended the expulsion of Delfin De la Paz from its roster of members and the suspension of Agrarian Reform Secretary Nasser Pangandaman Sr.
In a two page resolution, the golf course’s board of directors sanctioned Dela Paz for “disorderly behavior” when he instigated the brawl with Masiu town mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr., his brother Mohammed Hussein Pangandaman, and their bodyguards.
Nasser Jr and Hussein were banned from entering Valley Golf’s premises.
Pangandaman Sr., a member of the golf club, was held liable for allowing the actions of his two sons.
“The board unanimously recommends that Mr. Dela Paz be expelled for his disorderly behavior and instigating the brawl while Nasser Sr. be suspended for a period of two years.”
Valley Golf spokesperson Teofilo Abejo said in a press briefing that their decision was based on the accounts of marshals, caddies, three house attendants of the executive’s course’s hole number 5, and the statements from both parties.
Abejo said Valley Golf strongly condemns the incident. – GMANews.TV
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 2:26 pm
“iba ka rin naman ano, istambay, kung sino pa ang binugbog ng mga sanggano siya pa ngayon ang may sala. onli in da Pilipins!”
–already told people here. i don’t care for neither party, my only point is mr. dela paz was dumb enough to raise hell and got his kids in harms way in process and for what? golf etiquette? and i am not saying the pangandamans were/are saints either. they both deserve each other and they can sort it out without our help. lesson learned for mr. dela paz, and maybe for the pangandamans too.
sleek on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 3:00 pm
true the father dela paz will be expelled but his children, bambee and bino will be spared. bambee and bino are promising filipino golfer whereas the mayor pangandaman is a promising filipino boxer
Carl on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 5:48 pm
Now that the club has released its findings on the brawl, will some people still try to exaggerate the incident, blowing it up out of proportions, into a political issue?
Bert on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 5:51 pm
@ms.viloria
i’m glad i’m not in your blog. because i won’t like it if you will speak for me in my comment.
either you allow my comment in its full text, or, if you don’t like what i’m saying delete it, period.
Viloriadotnet on Sun, 11th Jan 2009 6:04 pm
@Bert – You’re welcome to comment. Inappropriate links, however, will be removed. Removed links which turn out to be not inappropriate afterall, will be restored.
No, I won’t speak for you in your comments.
Thanks,
Mr. Viloria
Lurker_Lang on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 1:22 am
sleek,
leytenian is written all over your post. just like bambees blog, its full of biases.
kape tayo sa starbucks
sleek on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 1:55 am
sorry lurker lang, i don’t know leytenian except he/she is all over. Don’t be assuming.
istambay_sakalye on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 4:22 am
Puno: Keep off judiciary
Kampi solons may back impeachment
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090112-182750/Puno-Keep-off-judiciary
sleek on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 6:07 am
Gma News:
“The Valley Golf officials “banned for life†nonmembers Nasser Jr. and Hussein for “unruly behavior†at the golf course.
Pangandaman Sr., a member of the golf club, was held “vicariously liable†for the actions of his two sons who were his guests.â€
Take note of “UNRULY BEHAVIOR†and “VICARIOUSLY LIABLE†.
VGCC Boots Out Troublesome Members « The Warped Zone on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 6:38 am
[...] On this issue, here’s an excerpt of my post from another blog : [...]
baycas on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 7:06 am
Thanks, Mr. Viloria, for clarifying things.
I alerted Filipina Mom as soon as I read your “Obliterated…†blog post. She thinks we’re one and the same OR we’re in collusion…LOL (talk of jumping to conclusions). I’m only fond of googling…part of my research work.
Anyway, I italicized “trickery†and “sleight of hand†to exaggerate my point on the ease of editing in blogs. In print media, an errata section needs to be printed at a later date.
I often see “striked through†words or phrases in mlq3’s and PCIJ’s blogs in some of their updated/edited posts. Well, part of professionalism, I think.
Golf Club on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 9:02 am
VGCC’s decision is unfair. The course can be accountable for the damages incurred by their guests and members.
1. allowing an 8 year old to be in the golf course
2. allowing armed bodyguards
3. no communication given to the dela paz for a possible play through
Viloriadotnet on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 9:03 am
@baycas
Hopefully, the professionalism of more blogs will rise in the coming weeks, particularly when it comes to editing.
I look forward to reading your blog soon, Bay.
(Manolo, thank you for bearing with my off-topic comments here.)
Titliest putter on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 9:03 am
sounds like the dangerous people are favored by VGCC
Rob' Ramos on Mon, 12th Jan 2009 6:44 pm
I see Istambay’s point.
I think this was a matter of expectations.
Now, I’m not a golfer, but the basic assumption here would be that a… certain type of person (elitist insinuations notwithstanding) will be commonly found in the facility. Its like the difference in “etiquette” and even playing styles inside an upscale basketball court as compared to, say, your average street court.
Perhaps ganun na nga: the elder Dela Paz never imagined it would… degenerate into that beating, or that his son would somehow get involved in it. I’m sure, given that he was supposed to be the one who whacked first, that he was, you know… perhaps at least prepared to get whoomped. Unless passion got the best of him.
Assuming the VGCC findings are accurate – and God knows what will happen to their rep if they didn’t do an accurate investigation and simply got, you know… pressured – then perhaps the elder Dela Paz is also to blame.
That aside, I still think there’s something wrong in beating up a 14-year old.
I’m sorry, but I deal with people like these everyday. I see the kind of arrogance in their security escorts, something often times encouraged and/or even expected by their bosses. And its… galling.
I remember on the way to work once, this two-vehicle “convoy” cuts in front of us, just here at the PNB branch beside QC Hall as my taxi was making the left to the Circle from Kalayaan. Me bumamaba, naka shades pa at me ID, dun sa tailgater vehicle, presumably yung escorts to. Siyempre, di kami makagalaw, kasi anlaki ng SUV nila in front of us, di ba? And siyempre, nakatingin si taxi driver ko sa harap, di ba?
Aba, si shades guy, ansama ng tingin sa driver ko at nanuro pa.
Wth, di ba?
That is the point here.
If Dela Paz screwed up, then he should get what is due him. I hope, if the VGCC findings are true, that he has learned HIS lesson.
But nothing – ABSOLUTELY NOTHING – should excuse what was done to that boy.
And I bet you the Pangandamans haven’t learned anything. In fact, you saw their crowing about vindication form the club’s actions, di ba?
Sec, me 14-year old na nabugbog ng bodyguards ng anak mo. Di ka ba man lang nahiya?
vic on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 6:33 am
A different Twist..Golf Club, its employees charged for the death of the 3 youths in an Accident blame on the Club for serving Alcohol…maybe they police should also investigate if the parties to Antipolo Golf Club rumble were served alcohol before the game.
Golf club, employees and directors charged over crash that killed 3
BRACEBRIDGE – Ontario Provincial Police in Bracebridge have laid 34 charges under the Liquor License Act in connection with an accident last summer in which three young men were killed.
That the group had been at the Lake Joseph Club before the crash which raised questions about the obligations of establishments that serve alcohol.
The crash happened July 3, 2008, on Peninsula Road near Minett.
Clublink Corp. of King City is charged with permitting drunkenness on a licensed premises and supplying liquor to apparently intoxicated persons.
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/569551
Carl on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 1:32 pm
After the committee report primarily blaming Delfin de la Paz for initiating the brawl, would those who were so quick to jump to conclusions and let their biases get the best of them be decent enough to apologize for leaping before they looked?
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bw on Tue, 13th Jan 2009 11:16 pm
With that Bracebridge incident, involving an fatal accident with people who apparently got drunk at the golf clubhouse, methinks the families only want remuneration , hence the lawsuit with the golf club. If this brawl happened in Canada or US I bet VGCC would have been sued too. There are frigging opportunists everywhere you go duh
My point is, if you drink, don’t frigging drive period. It’s your own frigging life. Don’t go around suing people who served your drink. They won’t have time to go to the parking lot and check if you have a designated driver. It’s like suing the tobacco company for selling you cigarettes.
Bert on Wed, 14th Jan 2009 12:14 pm
The tobacco company has a lot of lawsuits for damages to cigarette smokers, heheh.
Abu on Wed, 14th Jan 2009 3:22 pm
Much talk about the same story for ages. This is like an endless re-run of an old movie. Isn’t there anymore story worth our time?
Web Design company gurgaon on Thu, 15th Jan 2009 3:03 pm
wats news about satyam ?
The EQualizer on Thu, 15th Jan 2009 9:12 pm
In Your Opinion,Should Chief Justice Reynato Puno Run For President in 2010?
vote in the new EQ poll
PhilwoSpEditor on Mon, 19th Jan 2009 10:09 am
EQ,
Although I voted yes in the poll, do you want Puno to really run for president? And for either yes or no, why?
Bw and Bert,
Heck, even Obese people sue McDonalds for getting them fat.
istambay_sakalye on Mon, 19th Jan 2009 2:21 pm
NBI CLEARS DOJ MEN OF BIRBERY RAPS
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20090119-184229/NBI-clears-DoJ-men-of-bribery-raps
fromdi on Tue, 20th Jan 2009 1:47 am
The country has again made the wrong decision of allowing a thug from the province to serve his time in jail or at least suspend him from office. Now, the other local officials in the provinces will use the weakness of the Law to their advantage by doing the same shit the Pangandamans did. The Pangandamans are a disadvantage and a liability for our country. Many of them who are in public office have low standards of ethic and moral conduct and yet this country tolerate.
People, let’s lift our expectation in politics. Our expectations are too low. Let’s raise the bar and demand even more.