Intervention for the Prosecution: Why the BJE-MOA is an impeachable offense

Well, it’s in the news: please see MILF MOA added to impeach raps vs Arroyo: Intervention filed at House Earlier today and Groups want MOA-AD in Arroyo impeach raps and Bloggers comprise secod batch of complainants in new GMA raps. There’s also Impeachment and the MOA-AD in Filipino Voices. Also, Arroyo foes try for ‘online revolution’ (visit Oust the Imp).

The official (legislator’s) response came pretty fast for some: Intervention a new complaint -solon:

Representative Matias Defensor, chairman of the committee on justice that will hear the complaint, announced that deliberations to determine form and in substance would begin on November 18.

“Since the MOA-AD is a new issue, it should be treated as a new complaint against the President,” Defensor said in a phone interview when asked about the fate of the petition.

“We cannot accept it as an additional charge to the original complaint, otherwise, anybody can just file any motion and add a new charge to the complaint,” he added.

However, Defensor said the motion filed would have no effect on the original complaint.

A line echoed in this snipped from the Philippine Star report linked to above:

But the latest impeachment complaint didn’t sit well among members of the 28-man House minority bloc, particularly Bayan Muna Reps. Satur Ocampo and Teddy Casino, who both endorsed the De Venecia impeachment complaint.

“We who endorsed the first complaint respect the right of the proponents to include the MOA-AD, but we refrain from endorsing it lest it prejudices the complaint we endorsed,” said Ocampo, former spokesman of the communist wing National Democratic Front.

“This is because any addition or amendment to the original complaint will most likely be treated by the (House) justice committee as a separate complaint, as was done in prior cases,” he pointed out.

In the past I’ve written in my column about my belief that the BJE-MOA should have been included in the impeachment complaint. Together with some bloggers and other individuals, we decided to do something about it.

So this is what we filed this morning:

Final Complaint in Intervention MOA

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Please read this document. We have signed it. We stand by it. We submitted it, today, to the Secretary-General of the House of Representatives so that it may fortify the impeachment case against the President of the Philippines. I cannot express the reasons why we had to do this, better than The Marocharim Experiment did, in his blog entry for today:

Clenched fists mean a lot of things, not the least of which is fighting.  The clenched fist is a symbol of resistance.  To clench your fist means to stand up for what’s right because you believe in it, not because you feel like it…

…I think that when you blog about political issues and social issues, you cannot treat citizenship, political participation, and social obligation from your blogging.  When we say something or write about something, we should be able to act on it when the situation calls for it.  Our words shouldn’t be empty; we should be able to stand by our principles.  It’s not a matter of winning or losing, revolution or insurrection, cost or benefit…

…I was just doing what any free-thinking Filipino will do.  I was just doing things out of principle.  I signed that document because of my convictions, not for money, not for ambition.  I’m just a twenty-something who makes an honest living.

I signed that document because I believe that it is right, and I believe that it is time. Revolution?  To some, yes, but to me, it was a simple matter of doing the right thing.

It’s not easy to stand up for what you believe in. Sure, it’s easy to blog about your political beliefs, but it’s not easy to stand by them when the time calls for it.  After all, people will just accuse you of being “used by power-grabbers.”  People will call you names, people will look down on your convictions, perhaps even spit on it.— Or mock it.  Or tell you to shut up, because you can’t do anything about it…

…The question is not who we will replace the President with, but to find the President guilty or not guilty of the charges pressed against her.  Not the least of which is the charge that she deceived the public – and compromised the integrity and sovereignty of the Philippines – through the BJE MOA-AD.  If she is, I believe that she should face the fair and just consequences of her actions.  I believe that justice is not about personalities, but about doing the right thing.

Those are the things I believe/  I believe in doing the right thing.  I may not do it all the time, but when I signed that document – even with painful hands – I knew I did the right thing.  If I didn’t, what would be my excuse? It’s not because I’m a hero or because I’m a martyr, but because I am a Filipino…

…Had you been there, you would have felt the same thing, perhaps even made up an excuse to chicken out and forsake your responsibility to this nation.  I know: I was that close to doing it.  What motivated me was not a sense of blow-hard patriotism, but a sense of obligation.  People lived and died that this country remain whole, united, strong, and be held under one flag.  What, I ask, prevents me from doing the same thing?What’s my excuse?  What makes me think for one second that only heroes and patriots, or politicians with official ambitions, have the right to speak out against the injustices and excesses of the regime?

Now, I think it’s time for our honorable Members of the House to do the right thing.  It is not right to wait for the President to finish her term; what is right is whether she has two years left or two days left, she should be held accountable.  The Members of the House should know that justice is not about numbers or pluralities, but about morals and sensibilities.  It is about fairness, justice, and freedom: words and perspectives that Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo no longer represents, at least in my eyes.

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Let me tell you about what transpired after the brief press conference concluded. We went to the Secretary-General’s office, but once there, a problem came up. She was, at first, reluctant to receive our document. Closed-door consultations took place, phone calls were made, at times, our legal counsel were asked to wait outside.

Everyone tried to keep themselves entertained.

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The elder intervenors texted or chatted.

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The media and I exchanged notes on House procedures, and I decided to have a bit of a look-see.

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So much for the separation of Church and State!

But what I found most interesting were the items posted on the Secretary-General’s cork board.

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Various official notices, and a page of statistics on the current composition of the House; and most intriguing of all:

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This editorial cartoon on the BJE-MOA!

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As media people hovered outside the Secretary-General’s door, the wrangling continued.

From what I gathered, the Secretary-General first asked for time to “read the document,” then a legal wrangle ensued over whether she had “jurisdiction” over the intervention. Now the Secretary-General is in charge of the secretariat of the House, and her job is to oversee the expeditious reception, filing, transmission and filing of documents. She is not supposed to make judgement calls about the documents themselves.

In the end, after close to 45 minutes of bringing our lawyers in, sending them out, consulting upstairs and sideways in the House hierarchy, the Secretary-General announced she would receive the document, as the intervention was “unprecedented,” and leave the fate of the document to the relevant committees of the House.

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And so she received them, and everyone got to go home.

A word on the role bloggers played in putting this document forward for the consideration of the House.

Among those who signed this document are the following bloggers, who have decided to take their personal stands not just in the blogosphere but in the institutions of our nation.

Marck Ronald Rimorin, The Marocharim Experiment
Arbet W. Bernardo, [email protected],
Richard Rivera, New Philippine Revolution,
Jeremy Gatdula, Blurry Brain,
Manuel L. Quezon III, The Daily Dose,
Maria Jose (in Davao City), Alleba Politics,
Here is the statement I read a the press conference on behalf of the bloggers who signed:

PANAWAGAN

Unang-una sa lahat, ang mga naniniwala na ang impeachment ay isang “numbers game,” ay may mentalidad ng isang tuta na sunud-sunuran at hindi ginagamit ang pag-iisip bilang isang tao.

Ang Kongreso ay may dalawang bahagi – ang Kamara de Representates, at ng Senado.

Kapag ang isang Presidente ay may hinaharap na sakdal tungkol sa kanyang mga gawain bilang punong ehekutibo, ang Kamara ay ang tumatanggap ng mga akusasyon laban sa Pangulo, at gumagampan ng pag-aaral ng ebidensya upang makilatis kung ito ay masusustansya at kung ito ay dapat ipursigi at litisin sa Senado.

Bilang mga pangkaraniwang mamamayan, bilang mga blogger, beterano, sibilyan, Kristiyano, at Muslim, kami ay naniniwala na obligasyon namin na patibayin ng husto ang mga paratang laban sa Pangulo ng Pilipinas.

Sa aming pananaw ay dapat bigyan atensiyon ng Kamara ang isyu ng BJE-MOA sa pagitan ng Pangulo at ng MILF, ukol sa Mindanao. Ang usapang ito ay nabuo na may pahintulot ng Pangulo; ang sinasaad nito ay idineklara ng Korte Suprema na labag sa Saligang Batas. Kung hindi pumasok sa usapin ang Korte Suprema, marahil ay nagkapirmahan na sana sa Kuala Lumpur, sapagkat bukod sa inaprobahan ang kasunduang ito ng Pangulo, ay ipinahintulutan pa niya ang kanyang mga kinatawan na mangumbida ng mga representante ng iba’t ibang bansa sa Kuala Lumpur.

Tinutulan ang BJE-MOA na ito ng maraming residente ng Mindanao – lalong-lalo na ang mga Kristiyano at ang kanilang mga opisyales; ang iba naman, tulad ng ating mga Kapatid na Muslim, ay umasa na may kongkretong usapan sila ng Pangulo ngunit sila ay basta na lamang tinalikuran. Maaaring wala talaga siyang intensyon na ipatupad ang kanilang usapan, at sinadya niyang itago ang kasunduang ito sa mamamayan upang masabi niya na hindi naman nya ito maitutuloy sa dahilang hindi pa hinog ang panahon.

May panindigan o pananaw man o wala ang ordinaryong mamamayan sa usapang ito, ang naidulot lamang nito ay perwisyo at sakuna: sa buhay, ari-arian, kapayapaan at ekonomiya hindi lang ng Mindanao, kundi ng buong Pilipinas.

Ang ibig sabihin nito ay ginawang laruan ng Pangulong Arroyo ang buong Mindanao dahil lamang sa paghahanap ng malulusutan upang isulong ang pag-amyenda sa Saligang Batas o ang Cha-Cha.

Ang ibig sabihin nito ay inilagay sa peligro ng Pangulong Arroyo ang lahat ng naninirahan sa Mindanao dahil lamang sa kanyang mga ambisyon.

Kung kaya’t dahil sa mga ikinilos at ginawa niya; sa paglabag niya sa Saligang Batas; sa pagtalikod nya sa kanyang sinumpaang obligasyon na protektahan at depensahan ang Saligang Batas; sa paglihim niya sa mamamayang Pilipino ng mga patungkol sa mga probisyon na nais niyang isulong sa kasunduan; sa malinaw na panloloko niya sa mga kapatid nating Muslim; sa maraming nasawi or nabawian ng buhay na sibilyan at militar; at dahil sa kaguluhang idinulot nya sa Mindanao; ay pinaninindigan namin na dapat maisama sa impeachment complaint ang usapin na ito.

Ayun kay Atty. Neri Colmenares, kailangan lang namin ma-isumite ang interbensyon na ito, upang maaksyunan ng Kamara. Hindi na daw kailangan i-endorse ito ng sinumang diputado o kinatawan. Kami ay naniniwala kay Atty. Colmenares at sa mga kinatawan ng oposisyon sa Kamara.

Ngunit nananawagan pa din kami na kung maaari, sa darating na Lunes, ika-17 ng Nobyembre, ay i-endorse pa rin ng mga kinatawan ng oposisyon ang aming inihahain na dokumento na siyang pinagaralan namin at nilagdaan bilang pagpapatunay na ito ay ang aming panindigan. Kung kaya’t umaasa kami na sana ito rin ang maging panindigan ng mga kongresista sa oposisyon at ng mga kinatawan na miyembro ng mayoriya, na tumutol sa kasunduang BJE-MOA.

Sa paraan na ito, ay mawawakasan na ang bangayan sa ating lipunan, mabibgyan ng pagkakataon ang Pangulo na sagutin ang mga paratang sa kanya, at makakasiguro ang Kongreso at ang taong-bayan na hindi nagtatago ang Pangulo sa likod ng kanyang mga patakbuhin.

Ang impeachment ay hindi nasasakluban ng executive privilege. Walang executive privilege ang impeachment. Kung tatalakayin ng tapat at ng walang kinikilingan ang mga paratang na nasasaloob sa impeachment complaint, kung pakikinggan ng wasto ang mga testigo, at kung pag-aaralang mabuti ang mga ebidensyang inihain ng mga complainant sa Kamara, ay makasisiguro tayo na magwawakas rin ang alitan ng administrasyon at oposisyon at ang pagkakahati ng ating mamamayan.

Nananawagan po kami sa sambayanang Pilipino na sana ay suportahan ang aming interbensyon.

Nais po naming magpasalamat sa lahat ng mga tumulong sa amin, sila Joey de Venecia, ang mga bloggers na lumagada, ang mga kapatid naming Muslim na siya ring lumagda, ang mga taga iba’t ibang hanay ng oposisyon na tumulong upang maging masustansya at matibay ang interbensyon na ito.

Pagkatapos naming isumite itong intervention na ito ay padadalhan namin ang bawat miyembro ng oposisyon ng kopya ng dokumento.

Kami ay nananampalataya na sa Lunes ay i-endorse na rin nila, kahit hindi kinakailangan, bilang pagpapatunay na buo ang loob at sentimyento nila na panagutin ang Pangulong Arroyo sa kanyang paglabag sa ating Saligang Batas at sa mga katiwalian niyang ginawa at patuloy na ginagawa.

Maraming Salamat po. Mabuhay po Kayo.

And here is the cover letter attached to CD-ROMs containing this document, which will be provided members of the House minority bloc. The bloggers have asked the House minority to reply, by Monday, stating whether they will fight for this intervention or not; and inviting them to formally endorse it as a stand they will take. Some fellow columnists and I have also asked them to answer two questions.

November ___, 2008

Hon. _________

Representative, ____ District, ________

House of Representatives

Quezon City Dear

Rep. ________:

Today, together with ____ other intervenors, I have filed an intervention to add the Memorandum of Agreement concerning the proposed Bangsamoro Juridical Entity to the impeachment charges being considered by the House. Our intervention is based on the following premises:

1. That the House of Representatives, in deliberating upon the charges against the President of the Philippines, should strive to put together as strongand comprehensive a case as possible, in order to properly and thoroughly address all the issues that demand accountability from the chief executive.

2. That the citizenry is obligated to do its part to help fortify the case against the President of the Philippines.

We are of the opinion, and submit for your consideration and endorsement, that:

1. The President of the Philippines must be held accountable for violating her oath of office in authorizing and supporting an agreement that has been proven to be contrary to the Constitution. Any President is duty-bound to operate within the parameters established by the Constitution, and when a President deliberately disregards our Constitution’s provisions, there must be an accounting made to the citizenry.

2. The President must therefore be held accountable for what the Supreme Court has ruled to be an agreement that violated our Constitution.

3. That furthermore, the President must be held accountable for setting back the peace process; and for placing ordinary citizens, Muslim and Christian alike, in Mindanao, in peril because of the recklessness and faithlessness, with which she conducted the negotiations for the agreement. She has done grevious harm to the prosperity and tranquility of Mindanao and the entire country and her doing so is a violation of public trust and her Constitutional responsibilities.

She betrayed the public, and all the parties that participated in the peace process in good faith and with a historic resolution of ancient grievances in mind. We believe that we have made a strong case for including the BJE-MOA among the charges against the President.

We believe that this is a matter of such seriousness as to require the House of Representatives providing the President with an opportunity to explain herself to you, our representatives, and through you, to an alarmed and outraged public.

We further believe that the President will find it impossible to satisfactorily explain herself and that as a consequence, the House will find it necessary to include our intervention among the impeachment charges.

May I respectfully invite you, then, to endorse our intervention, so that ample opportunity may be provided for the President of the Philippines to air her side, and for the public to be informed, through you, once and for all, about the circumstances surrounding the agreement.

I am confident that you will respond to the overwhelming clamor of the citizenry, throughout the country but particularly in Mindanao, for public policy to be conducted in good faith, without recklessness and imprudence, and with the true interests of the nation at heart and not just partisan political convenience for the administration.

May I also invite you, on behalf of myself and my colleagues, Jarius Bondoc and William Esposo of the Philippine Star, Ellen Tordesillas of Malaya, and Manuel Buencamino of The Business Mirror, to state, for the record, your response to these two questions:

1. How do you intend to vote on the impeachment complaint already filed before the House? Will you be present at the committee level and plenary voting on these charges?

2. Are you in favor of including the BJE-MOA among the impeachment charges, and why or why not.

We trust you will give your answer to us by Wednesday so we can publish them.

And we further trust that you will find our intervention meritorious and worthy of your endorsement.

Respectfully yours,

Manuel L. Quezon III

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    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    quezon the 3rd,

    THE BRIGHT SIDE TO THE “COMPLAINT-IN INTERVENTION”

    if you bring its denial to the Supreme Court, there’s now an opportunity for the SC to review its doctrine on Francisco vs. House of Representatives (the Davide impeachment case), and possibly reverse it.

    the doctrine that “initiated’ means the mere filing of a complaint should be abandoned and given a new meaning – that ‘initiated’ should mean an impeachment complaint duly transmitted to and received by the Senate.

    because as we all know now, if ‘initiated’ means mere filing, then an impeachable official can escape impeachment by just causing the timely filing of a weak impeachment complaint, which will bar any later impeachment complaints (hintay na lang next year)

    (though I agree with the result of the case, the junking of Davide’s impeachment)

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    “The people who say “the heck with job creation lets kick out gloria first and worry about jobs later”

    -what wrong with this statement? are you implying that because we want gma out, that we don’t care about the economy? it is because we care more not just about the economy but also, we care about the country and it’s people. all three we care and that is why gma should go. she is, was and will always be bad for everything good for this country!

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    “Why don’t we follow the examples of the USA? Bush is extremely unpopular there, but they bided their time and waited for the elections. They have a very strong democratic system that’s why they’re able to wait until Bush ends his term.”

    -hahaha. USA ha? they impeach clinton for getting a felatio in the office! you must have forgotten that! and we can’t impeach gma for cheating during the elections? plundering? mass murder? lying? now that’s what i called maturity!

    reason bush never got impeached is part his cause for war against terrorism actually is partly good. only when they invaded iran and the war dragged on that american got frustrated. even that is nothing compared to what gma has committed. and not until the the economy collapsed that sealed the repblicans fate during the last USA elections and not solely because of bush.

    the comparison is not even close as comparing apples to oranges!

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    “Why not wait for 2010? It’s just around the corner. Sure, it does mean that GMA and her allies can enjoy their stay in power until that time (and some say will continue to loot the treasury and commit grave abuses). But in my opinion that’s preferable to seeing this country going to, God forbid, civil war.”

    –now the only reason civil war may happen is if gma insist to hang to her throne! and not otherwise.

    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Bert,

    “But patience has its limit.”

    oh yes! 6 years, to be exact.

    malapit na mag 4 years and 5 months. so what’s 1 year and 7 months of waiting?

    mukhang di mo pa na-notice, nobody has to defend gloria. nakaupo pa rin sya.

    sa ellenville nga, walang nagde-defend kay gloria, pero nakaupo pa rin si gloria.

    para namang each ‘patalsikin na now na’ is a step closer to kicking her out.

    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    “-what wrong with this statement? are you implying that because we want gma out, that we don’t care about the economy?”

    oh yes! because if you do, you’d put the economy ahead of removing gloria

    ” it is because we care more not just about the economy but also, we care about the country and it’s people. all three we care and that is why gma should go.”

    no my friend, if you really care about the country, you’d put job creation ahead of kicking her out

    “she is, was and will always be bad for everything good for this country!”

    para namang ang ipapalit ay directly inverse to gloria!

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    “The glossy bags thing was inconclusive. Anyway, that wouldn’t explain the 1st impeachment go-around. Also, I think a Congressman’s vote to stymie an impeachment would be a whole lot more than the figures being thrown around about those bags.”

    –i got a song for this one and it goes like this…’three blind mice, three blind mice, three lind mice…” and that is what i call being blind to glaring facts!

    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    “-hahaha. USA ha? they impeach clinton for getting a felatio in the office! you must have forgotten that! and we can’t impeach gma for cheating during the elections? plundering? mass murder? lying? now that’s what i called maturity!”

    the only reason why impeach complaints vs gloria went pfft is the kaengotan and kabobohan ng ‘united’ opposition. each one gustong magpakabayani

    tapos sisisihin pa ang Palace! asus! mga Pinoy talaga, ang galing sa sisihan.

    tapos gusto pang i-entrust ang country sa kanila! diyos na mahabagin!

    nung time ni erap, next to impossible ang impeachment nya at the onset. pero the anti erap forces did their homework, and the rest is history

    face it. the anti-erap forces in the year 2000-01 are much much better, united, fluid, and have brains, than the anti gloria splinter groups of 2001-onwards. not to mention that almost the whole country is behind the anti-erap forces

    eh ngayon, what/who constitutes the anti gloria subcontinent? they’re a huge colossal joke!

    konkretong halimbawa ng kaengotan is the type of questions asked by Roxas and Jinggoy to Joc Joc, and the honorable senators being disappointed not hearing from Joc Joc what they wanted to hear! mga bobo!

    naghearing pa sila! eh alam naman pala nilang magsisinungaling din naman.

    adjudged na sya as guilty, so all resources should have just been directed towards building a case against Joc Joc, and eventually against gloria. walang mararating yang senate hearings! just one freaking committee report!

    what can one freaking committee report do?

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    “no my friend, if you really care about the country, you’d put job creation ahead of kicking her out”

    –and so my friend you must assume that all we do is shout and march in the street and that we do not contribute to the economy of this country? if that is what you believe then you are very wrong. we can do both at the same time, kick gma out and at the same time contribute to improve our economy.

    • Geo on November 14, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    mlq3,

    You wrote: “i think those who challenge others to present evidence pledge to do their bit and present their own evidence, too to assert their own claim.”

    Is that adressed to me? If so, sure I’ll pledge that. Is there some evidence that you want me to provide? For what argument?

    You also wrote:
    “while the president got credit for the e-vat, you have to look at the reasons she had to impose it, and it had less to do with rational economics and more to do with pandering in aid of election. namely, bloating the debt of napocor rather than let public irritation over electricity costs harm her election chances in 2004.”

    I’ve heard this one before. It’s called “spin”. However, the history of how this macro-economic landscape developed might put your claims in a better — and different — perspective.

    By the time Marcos was ousted, the economy was already in tatters. That’s the starting point. What happened in the energy sector after that is front and center in our story.

    Marcos’ Westinghouse nuclear reactor had been designed to provide for a huge portion of the country’s energy needs. Many of the old plants were ready to be closed, and they would not only be replaced by the reactor, but there would even be more power available.

    Problem is — the Aquino administration closed the reactor…and never addressed the oncoming energy crunch.

    That problem fell squarely on FVR’s lap. That was a horrible time, eh? Ramos had to get short and medium term solutions and that’s when the IPPs came in and got great deals. I think we are still paying for them now.

    Erap and GMA1’s term didn’t do much to solve the problem either.

    Then 2004 arrived. The energy sector had killed us by then. Borrowings were built high. The country’s balance sheet was screaming “disaster!” Do you remember when GMA stated that we were in an economic/financial crisis?

    Realistically, only two choices were available — repudiate the debts or attack/reduce them with vigor. EVat was a necessary evil. And it cost GMA dearly (it’s still being used against her to this day).

    Saying that EVat was simply a solution to GMA’s own, self-created problem is inaccurate at best.

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    “mukhang di mo pa na-notice, nobody has to defend gloria. nakaupo pa rin sya.”

    –what do you call all those tong-gressmen, defensors, kenkoygremen, SC jsutices kuno, general kapal at general kupit, at iba pang mga alipores nya. daig nya pa ang fort knox. masyadong syang fortified. tingnan mo nga naman ang magawa ng VAT oo.

    • Geo on November 14, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    istambay,

    You wrote: “–now the only reason civil war may happen is if gma insist to hang to her throne! and not otherwise.”

    Says who? You? You and who else? How many are there like you? Do you represent the majority in this country? Were you elected or something? Is there some reason why your version of truth is superior to other people’s versions of truth?

    Yes, much of the country does not like GMA. But it has been repeatedly shown that it rejects civil war, a coup or any unconstitutional removal of GMA from office.

    So because you “insist” her to leave, even though she “insists” not to…means we have to have a civil war? Started by who, you? Your personal desire does not overrule the laws, sorry. And even if you get all the other anti-GMAs together, it’s still not enough.

    Opinions are opinions. They do not warrant overthrowing the entire country’s system. No matter how convinced you are.

    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    “–and so my friend you must assume that all we do is shout and march in the street and that we do not contribute to the economy of this country?”

    oh yes!

    may kasabihan sa tagalog – kung ayaw nyong matulog, magpatulog kayo!

    stated differently – kung ayaw nyong gumawa ng trabaho, hayaan nyo kaming gumawa ng trabaho!

    “if that is what you believe then you are very wrong.”

    no my friend. i am right. you’re in the wrong. pray tell me – how many jobs have been created by the bright boys of the opposition (di kasama ang rally attending ha)

    “we can do both at the same time, kick gma out and at the same time contribute to improve our economy.”

    no my friend. if you’re not doing job creation now, you won’t be doing it at all

    “–what do you call all those tong-gressmen, defensors, kenkoygremen, SC jsutices kuno, general kapal at general kupit, at iba pang mga alipores nya. daig nya pa ang fort knox. masyadong syang fortified. tingnan mo nga naman ang magawa ng VAT oo.”

    di ko alam.pero one thing for sure –

    ang ‘united’ opposition ay puro engot at bobo! gloria has to thank them for staying much longer than erap.

    • istambay_sakalye on November 14, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    just like during the marcos years, no one thought it would end like it did. so many good and bright souls sacrificed themselves in figthing his evil regime. also, a lot of fellow filipinos benefitted from marcos’
    crimes, just like today.

    gma’s reign will end. she and company will dearly pay for their crimes and transgressions. it may not happen right away but still it no excuse not keep on fighting. laugh and insult all you want.

    • anthony scalia on November 14, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    “gma’s reign will end”

    oh yes! in 2010

    • Jologs For Jesus on November 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Impeachment should be an Olympic sport so that the Philippines will finally win Gold!

    • UP n grad on November 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    The Philippines sure is on a tear to go for gold. 😳

    Just look at the number of times that cadres inside metro-Manila have tried to kick out a Malacanang resident.

    • justice league on November 14, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Anthony Scalia,

    Do you consider members of the Makati Business Club like the Ayala’s as opposition.

    Their Trinoma mall alone provides employment to thousands. Their Corporation is currently Constructing a large area in Sta. Cruz District of Manila that currently employs a large amount of laborers and once finished will provide employment thousands more.

    Do the Lopezes of ABS CBN count as opposition? I passed by their soon to be finished Rockwell business center in Ortigas. It currently employs a lot of laborers and will also provide employment to thousands when it is finished.

    Of course those are no match to when the government redefined those who are employed and unemployed in 2004. Literally hundreds of thousands of jobs were generated overnight.

    • d0d0ng on November 14, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Geo on, “The 5 Bishops, the left, the Hyatt, the BMW, the Man/Sundalo, etc, etc are launching a unified attack again, knowing that the only thing that can be accomplished is to muddy the waters and to cast Gloria — AND THE COUNTRY — in a bad light.”

    This is the typical Filipino nonsensical argument – the country is bad because of the government critics instead of the government itself.

    No wonder, there is no solution to myriads of Philippine problems because of the blind remedy other than cause itself.

    HeHe.

    • d0d0ng on November 15, 2008 at 12:15 am

    loy on, “Why don’t we follow the examples of the USA? Bush is extremely unpopular there, but they bided their time and waited for the elections. They have a very strong democratic system that’s why they’re able to wait until Bush ends his term.”

    Unpopularity of Bush stems from RESULTS of Iraq war. Bush is unimpeachable even for wrong WMD information because WMD is only one among other reasons listed and approved by both Democrats and Republican lawmakers. Approval of Iraq war is clear from the very beginning. No violation of constitutional duty.

    In the Philippines, GMA has repeatedly violated her constitutional mandate: Garci tape & public admission, Bolante-agrarian-fund election, china-for-tong, MOA-constitutional-violation, etc. GMA also ensures any impeachment bill is killed at the committee level for the last 4 years.

    It is apple and oranges as MLQ3 had repeatedly said.

    In the US, democracy is naturally respected. In the Philippines, GMA is the law and demands respect. Respect can only be earned not demanded.

    Hence, there is a lot of Filipinos like Geo barking at the wrong tree (the critics) as noises, circuses and wastes.

    • d0d0ng on November 15, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Bert on, “Geo, you are a very good lawyer”

    Geo on, “Impeachment is unconstitutional means.”

    A lawyer would not have a serious blunder that impeachment is unconstitutional. He does not even know his constitution.

    • supremo on November 15, 2008 at 12:56 am

    ‘Marcos’ Westinghouse nuclear reactor had been designed to provide for a huge portion of the country’s energy needs.’

    The BNPP was designed to produce 600 MW at the most. The Sucat 1-4 power plants can generate 850 MW.

    • d0d0ng on November 15, 2008 at 1:28 am

    mlq3 on, “sneering argument marcos noted in his diary: “nothing succeds like success.””

    This is probably why democracy is not the right political model for Philippines. Success done through corruption and public expense is taken up as justification for continued existence. The general population is willing to embrace the status quo and shun the critics.

    For the politicians and lawmakers, this remove fear of accountability from constituents essential for democracy to work.

  1. Well done, Manolo. I salute you and our blogger-friends.

    On the Leftist Congressmen’s rejection of endorsement, they are in favor of dismembering the country. They fantasize that the same thing will be offered them after Bangsamoro. Satur was probably toasting champagne with Kirstie Kenney on their flight to Malaysia I believe their party stand was the reason it was not included in the original complaint.

    I hope it will be included so we’ll see how the leftists will argue whether for or against the whole impeachment.

  2. Supremo is right, it was not merely the mothballing of BNPP that brought us the energy crisis, it was the scrapping of Marcos’ energy policy as a whole and with it, the Min. of Energy.

    “stated differently – kung ayaw nyong gumawa ng trabaho, hayaan nyo kaming gumawa ng trabaho!”

    naks, malaki sigurong kumpanya ni scalia?

    • anthony scalia on November 15, 2008 at 7:00 am

    “naks, malaki sigurong kumpanya ni scalia?”

    di naman. almost as big as yours lang.

    • anthony scalia on November 15, 2008 at 7:56 am

    justice league:

    “Do you consider members of the Makati Business Club like the Ayala’s as opposition”

    no.

    “Their Trinoma mall alone provides employment to thousands. Their Corporation is currently Constructing a large area in Sta. Cruz District of Manila that currently employs a large amount of laborers and once finished will provide employment thousands more.”

    true. but Ayala is not MBC

    if you will notice, Jaime, Jaime Augusto, Fernando, and no one else from Ayala are enjoying the constitutional right of free speech. its always the MBC speaking its mind out. Bill Luz is now quiet, because he is now an employee of the Ayalas (he’s with the Ayala Foundation now)

    wait, there’s an issue whenever the MBC exercises the constitutional right to free speech, as the expression might be just the speaker’s (the executive director) own beliefs, and not necessarily the MBC’s.

    “Do the Lopezes of ABS CBN count as opposition?”

    no.

    same thing. did you ever hear Gabby or Oscar or any of the Lopezes say ‘patalsikin na now na’? i haven’t heard that lovely slogan from the lips of erap’s son-in-law

    (the Lopezes are surely coursing its expression through ABS-CBN)

    “I passed by their soon to be finished Rockwell business center in Ortigas. It currently employs a lot of laborers and will also provide employment to thousands when it is finished.”

    noted

    “Of course those are no match to when the government redefined those who are employed and unemployed in 2004. Literally hundreds of thousands of jobs were generated overnight.”

    noted. your point?

    now who is the opposition – those who call themselves the ‘united opposition.’ those good-for-nothing-beyond-anti-gloria, its-our-turn, worse-than-gloria, self-righteous, pompous, no-better-than-Mike-Arroyo politicians

    look no further than the UNO’s president – Jojo Binay – to see what kind of people they are

    there’s only one opposition group I truly respect – the likes of Satur and Casiño. because i am assured that these people are really after the nation’s interests

    ever wonder why no one from the likes of Satur and Casiño gets to be president of UNO or at least are influential in the oust gloria movement?

    The Ayalas and the Lopezes may be opposition at heart, but their main pre-occupation is still business.

    who do you think is doing the country more good? the job-creating opposition or the just-noisy opposition (UNO)?

    (side note – for cvj, the Ayalas, the Lopezes et al . are elites, oligarchs, people who stifle development)

    the country will not experience growth (new jobs, new businesses) if the growth is sourced only from the Ayalas’ and Lopezes’ expansions

    rich as they are, all the money of the Ayalas and the Lopezes (put it all the taipans as well) isn’t enough to cover the investments necessary to create millions of jobs.

    off-topic (lets have some light moments naman):

    who will win Superman vs. Thor?
    for me – without his hammer, Thor will lose

    • anthony scalia on November 15, 2008 at 8:03 am

    d0d0ng :

    “A lawyer would not have a serious blunder that impeachment is unconstitutional. He does not even know his constitution.”

    no my friend. a lawyer will legally find a way to have an impeachment complaint declared unconstitutional.

    its not impeachment per se that is unconstitutional.

    • anthony scalia on November 15, 2008 at 8:08 am

    “This is the typical Filipino nonsensical argument – the country is bad because of the government critics instead of the government itself.”

    an equally nonsensical argument. the zeal of government critics in enjoying their constitutional freedoms forces government to just focus on firefighting than on moving forward.

    always made by people who have not been in any form of governance

    • anthony scalia on November 15, 2008 at 8:31 am

    dodong,

    “GMA also ensures any impeachment bill is killed at the committee level for the last 4 years.”

    regardless of the committee decision, the final say is the plenary vote. a committee report of dismissal can be reversed by a vote of just 1/3 of the plenary and that suffices for impeachment

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 8:33 am

    on my goodness: still stuck with impeachment ?

    It’s also Congress that is responsible for the biggest scam in the history of this country.

    Therefore, I am looking for citizens who have had enough of this current Congress and their inbred concern for their own interests. I am calling for impeachment of the body of Congress with a special election to be held within 60 days of that impeachment to limit the amount of Bullshit and Bias we will inevitably be subjected to in order to elect new Congress members.

    Hopefully, we can put in “real” people who have not sold out to the ruling elite and are a little more in touch with reality and the damage which was inflicted upon us.

    We can’t be apathetic any longer. If you don’t act now, you will have no right to complain about anything. 🙂

    think about it

    • justice league on November 15, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Anthony Scalia,

    What the heck!

    So they not only have to be opposition by heart or simply opposition but card/placard carrying members of the opposition as well?

    If so, where does the distinction of “the job-creating opposition or the just-noisy opposition” come in?

    How about when the MBC shouldered a sizable part of the expenses on the interfaith rally in Makati sometime in March because of NBN ZTE deal?

    “noted. your point?”- What the heck again!

    You can stop your preccupation on who produces jobs for this and that because this government has shown that it can whiff it OUT OF THIN AIR!

    Off topic.

    Being a collector of comics back in the last century, I firmly believe that Superman would beat Thor even if the mighty Thor had his Mjolnir hammer.

    Because Thor would have a hard time beating the Incredible Hulk on his own and in the DC vs. Marvel comics; Superman beat the living crap out of the Hulk.

    DC would have won the war for the Universe if underdog Storm had not surprisingly beaten Wonder Woman.

    • mlq3 on November 15, 2008 at 10:19 am
      Author

    geo, the origins of the power crisis is not the issue, the issue is, the president ordered napocor to lower its costs in 2003, in preparation for the elections, bloating the debt and making it one of the largest components of the deficit. but she could not afford to either put the squeeze on the lopezes because she was courting their support, and she could not keep rates high as it would antagonize the people. after the elections she could tighten things up and institute a bailout for napocor through e-vat. ironically gaining praise from domestic and foreign business for her political will.

    geo you also have to consider that perhaps those investors you speak of, if so skittish, aren’t the most suitable though every instance of a foreign investor being spooked is to be regretted. but the reports and studies of domestic economists also points to the collapse in morale that prevents domestic investments which is as much because of the unchecked mafiosi tendencies of our officials up and down the line and the general inability of the top to moderate the greed of anyone below.

    in the particular case of foreign advisories that is due to terrorist behavior that antedates even the president and is not within the ken of the oppo-admin dynamic. i can’t recall a travel advisory regarding metro manila.

    • KG on November 15, 2008 at 10:40 am

    leytenian,

    yung 8:33 am mo, kala ko pa naman original thoughts mo.

    wala ka pa ding kupas

    cut and paste na naman from a letter sender.

    kinalat mo pa pa,pati sa FV nabasa ko din yung comment.

    what is the point?
    you cannot impeach congress, at pinahaba mo pa snap; election din naman ang proposal mo.

    • Geo on November 15, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Dodong,

    I never wrote “Impeachment is unconstitutional means.” You keep trying to say that I did, but I didn’t.

    I wrote “Impeachment is a dead end and unconstitutional means have been clearly rejected.”

    I took it that you were either prurposefully distorting my words…or you are just one more of the types who yells and screams but doesn’t listen, read or think.

    Either way, now you know why I don’t respond to you.

    And now…stop misquoting me, purposefully or otherwise.

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 10:49 am

    KG,
    “you cannot impeach congress”

    that’s exactly my point. we don’t have a choice. akala ko hindi mo maintindihan. so who is most powerful? congress or the president?

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 11:06 am

    only a third from the House of representative are required to approve the motion to impeach but we don’t have a third. even if the motion was approved by the house, the senate will still have to vote 2/3 for convictions.

    • KG on November 15, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Leytenian,

    depende eh.

    kung di nya hawak congress tanggal agad sya via impeachment.

    pero kung hawak nya lahat,ibang usapan na yan.

    sorry for those who are not fans of the senate, pero buti na lang di hawak ni gma ang senado,kahit na circus ang tingin nyo sa institution na ito.
    i too sometimes question lacson’s investigations dahil sablay ang mga witness nya at walang nagyayari,pero mas mabuti na may kumekwestyon,kesa wala.

    ==========

    about these cases,
    kung walang mangyari before 2010, sana naman meron pa din magfollow up after 2010 at wag pansinin kung pinardon si erap o hindi.

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 11:19 am

    KG,

    SC is impeachable. we could have done that first but how?
    and we can impeach governors and congressmen thru federalism.

    it’s too corrupt. majority are sold out.

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 11:42 am

    maybe the only way we can weaken the power of the Senate is to decentralize. the local people represented by majority of the House can impeach its representative. it’s probably the only route to democracy.

    • Geo on November 15, 2008 at 11:48 am

    mlq3,

    Though I want to concede a point to you, let me first reiterate that the country’s debt burden was huge, was huge for a long time, was huge much because of a failed (nonexistent?) energy. This debt, left as is, was about to drown the Philippines. Hence the evat.

    EVAT was a method to reduce debt. Debt was not just due to any 2001~2003 policies.

    OK, that said, I agree that GMA was pretty weak about Napocor and the pricing…and that this definitely worsened the situation.

    Furthermore, I’ll concede that she probably made some political calculations in avoiding addressing the Napocor issue head on. The way I see it, she did what a lot of politicians worldwide do — pick and choose her fights.

    GMA was inherently weak after she replaced Erap as she could never claim a mandate. I wouldn’t be surprised if she calculated that she’d wait until she could win in 2004 before launching such a politically difficult program.

    One might find that distasteful, but that’s politics anywhere. Heck, look at the US and the unwillingness to address their Social Security timebomb head on. The issue is a political bomb as well and few want to attempt to defuse it.

    • Geo on November 15, 2008 at 11:52 am

    Speaking of Senators….

    This hearing re the PNP Euros is being conducted much better by the Senators than the Bolante, ZTE, etc circuses. Why is that? Seriously.

    • leytenian on November 15, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Geo,

    At least the majority of the people in the US are in the middle income earner, compared to our Philippine majority of poor and unemployed.

    It will be wise to focus on our own affairs rather than comparing. it’s not the right solution nor even the best strategy for awareness.

    The ZTE and Jocjoc are both an inside crime committed by the most corrupt institution. The ball has never been on our side.

    • mlq3 on November 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm
      Author

    Geo, fair enough and as you pointed out par for the course. The complications then arise from her inability to finally govern with a mandate, though she was poised to do so from 2004-2005. though even then i’d pointed out that the way her proclamation was handled was inappropriate, no one could have known just how inappropriate until the bombshell of the garci tapes, which, the merits or demerits of their quality as evidence aside, certainly caused a perception problem -when in politics, sometimes perception is everything.

    but then this brings us to our disagreement on my view that from the time the bombshell exploded the president then undertook a nixon-style coverup that even were the bombshell to be proven fictitious, are enough grounds to deprive her of office. which then brings up the question also debated by us, whether it is a deprivation called for considering the other priorities of other people.

    • Bert on November 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    justice league,

    will you enlighten me what kind of needle and thread did superman’s foster mom used to sew his uniform, you know, the blue one with an S in front? as you know, it is still in use today and as invulnerable to canon shots as ever. thanks.

    • mlq3 on November 15, 2008 at 1:45 pm
      Author

    Geo, I think the depressing possibility is that there are too many people involved in the Bolante thing to probe too deeply or too thoroughly.

    • mlq3 on November 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm
      Author

    Geo you know what, I think part of it is that since cops and such are involved, everyone is trying to be polite so it makes for less posturing. which is one of my personal frustrations with senate investigations, they treat people like shit which is just plain wrong.

    • Geo on November 15, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Before returning to the GMA discussion, mlq, I rather discuss this Senate probe that’s in front of me right now.

    Yeah, the Senators are being more composed, less dramatic, and definitely less rude. Ever Loren’s frustration was muted.

    Allow me to be cynical for a moment (borrowing from my usual opponents.) 🙂

    Maybe they are being “nicer” and more professional because:

    a) This is a lot easier for the Senators to understand (the process of getting and liquidating simple funds) compared to a much more complex system (DOA) or compared to a technical program (ZTE).

    b) This case cannot be traced back to GMA no matter what. So less reason to make drama.

    c) The PNP and AFP will be needed if one is to be a future Prez.

    d0 The PNP and AFP are needed if ever GMA can be ousted.

    • mlq3 on November 15, 2008 at 2:49 pm
      Author

    Geo, speaking of pragmatic politics, we have a meeting of the minds on this one.

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