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		<title>By: anthony scalia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-913426</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony scalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leytenian,

&quot;So, Iâ€™m not so sure if thereâ€™s such thing as ancestral land for the MILF. Thereâ€™s no free ride in this world&quot;

the MILF is supposedly acting in behalf of Muslim Pinoys. though ancestral lands are recognized and protected by our laws, many of the lands being claimed as &quot;ancestral&quot; by the MILF aren&#039;t really ancestral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leytenian,</p>
<p>&#8220;So, Iâ€™m not so sure if thereâ€™s such thing as ancestral land for the MILF. Thereâ€™s no free ride in this world&#8221;</p>
<p>the MILF is supposedly acting in behalf of Muslim Pinoys. though ancestral lands are recognized and protected by our laws, many of the lands being claimed as &#8220;ancestral&#8221; by the MILF aren&#8217;t really ancestral.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-910593</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice,

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice,</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-909376</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; One can only acquire legal title of the land either by government grants or by transfer of deeds. Either type is still subject to local governing laws such as payment of property taxes. Failure to pay is subject to foreclosure and the government has the right to take the land backâ€¦

So, Iâ€™m not so sure if thereâ€™s such thing as ancestral land for the MILF. Thereâ€™s no free ride in this world.

When they have given nothing, ask for nothing... leytenian &lt;/blockquote&gt;

i think that&#039;s why they are called rebels. i haven&#039;t heard of any rebel group yet who pay their own taxes to the govt. they don&#039;t recognize.  infact, they collect their own taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> One can only acquire legal title of the land either by government grants or by transfer of deeds. Either type is still subject to local governing laws such as payment of property taxes. Failure to pay is subject to foreclosure and the government has the right to take the land backâ€¦</p>
<p>So, Iâ€™m not so sure if thereâ€™s such thing as ancestral land for the MILF. Thereâ€™s no free ride in this world.</p>
<p>When they have given nothing, ask for nothing&#8230; leytenian </p></blockquote>
<p>i think that&#8217;s why they are called rebels. i haven&#8217;t heard of any rebel group yet who pay their own taxes to the govt. they don&#8217;t recognize.  infact, they collect their own taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-909202</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vic,

Well it seems we can move on on these issues as far as we both are concerned.

Grd,

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vic,</p>
<p>Well it seems we can move on on these issues as far as we both are concerned.</p>
<p>Grd,</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-909207</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vic,

Well it seems we can move on on these issues as far as we both are concerned.

Grd,

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vic,</p>
<p>Well it seems we can move on on these issues as far as we both are concerned.</p>
<p>Grd,</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony scalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony scalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meg,

the youth should be involved in entrepreneurship and job creation, not in governance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg,</p>
<p>the youth should be involved in entrepreneurship and job creation, not in governance</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an appealing speech. this is not related to the topic but i want to share it though because it is still related to us all about sharing our insights:

Press Release: August 11,2008
For more info: Eero Brillantes, 09276702831, mindbullet45@gmail.com

Young Generation of Politicians Barnstorms Schools, Connects with the â€œInternet Nationâ€

A multipartisan political group called â€œYoung Turksâ€ led by Genuine Opposition Spokesperson and Pamantasan Lungsod ng Maynila President Atty. Adel Tamano has started to go the rounds of colleges and universities all over the country. Tamano, along with other young political personalities Nacionalista Party spokesperson and former congressman Gilbert Remulla, English Professor Danton Remoto, Congressman Erin Tanada, and San Juan mayor JV Ejercito are doing the rounds of campuses advocating for youth involvement in governance.

The kick off started at Silliman University in Dumaguete City Last July 10-11, 2008.
Tamano described the event. â€œThe bright students of Silliman University asked questions and we tried to answer them with substance and with style, with wit and cheer and laughter intact. It is because their questions seemed to deal with lack of hope, of being betrayed by their leaders, of abandonment. I hope we kept the spark plug of hope alive. We spoke in a chapel, a presentation room for business students, and the great church â€” all in one day. We hope the Sillimanians had a grand time, the way we did too, in our first campus tour.â€
Eero Brillantes, CEO of Mindbullet Marketing and Public Relations, and maintains the young turkâ€™s blog http://www.oppositeofapathy.wordpress.com says that the blog has become hyperactive after the Silliman activity. Based on site metering, he noted interest in what the group has to say. â€œThe blog has just recently been put up. Yet it has already been visited almost 10,000 times. It is currently ranked number 13 for politics and government by topblogs.com.ph. Its just one notch lower to the â€œMar Roxas for President 2010 blog which is at number 12. The blog definitely has momentum. With the campus tour catching fire, the blog is poised to be a prominent fixture in new politics for the country. The Young Turks and the Internet Nation has become properly introducedâ€.

For his part Remoto was upbeat about the launch and how the internet was able to disseminate the event exponentially. â€œSkycable showed the complete proceedings that night of July 10, and we also had coverage from two radio stations, two newspapers and the Sillimanian college paper as well as its website. Not to mention the many blogs of the bagets from Silliman, which are now being read and re-sent and re-read all over the borderless world of cyberspace. â€
Congressman Tanada, emphasized the need for dialogue between the young batch of political leaders and the youth. He said that it is important for the youth not to loose hope and for them to assert their rights. Remulla asserted that there is still hope and it resides in the youth and the young generation should not be afraid to stand for what they believe in.
On August 26, 2008, the Young Turks will visit the University of the Philippines National College of Public Administration and Governance. This will be followed by a tour to University of the Philippines at Los BaÃ±os in September. xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an appealing speech. this is not related to the topic but i want to share it though because it is still related to us all about sharing our insights:</p>
<p>Press Release: August 11,2008<br />
For more info: Eero Brillantes, 09276702831, <a href="mailto:mindbullet45@gmail.com">mindbullet45@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Young Generation of Politicians Barnstorms Schools, Connects with the â€œInternet Nationâ€</p>
<p>A multipartisan political group called â€œYoung Turksâ€ led by Genuine Opposition Spokesperson and Pamantasan Lungsod ng Maynila President Atty. Adel Tamano has started to go the rounds of colleges and universities all over the country. Tamano, along with other young political personalities Nacionalista Party spokesperson and former congressman Gilbert Remulla, English Professor Danton Remoto, Congressman Erin Tanada, and San Juan mayor JV Ejercito are doing the rounds of campuses advocating for youth involvement in governance.</p>
<p>The kick off started at Silliman University in Dumaguete City Last July 10-11, 2008.<br />
Tamano described the event. â€œThe bright students of Silliman University asked questions and we tried to answer them with substance and with style, with wit and cheer and laughter intact. It is because their questions seemed to deal with lack of hope, of being betrayed by their leaders, of abandonment. I hope we kept the spark plug of hope alive. We spoke in a chapel, a presentation room for business students, and the great church â€” all in one day. We hope the Sillimanians had a grand time, the way we did too, in our first campus tour.â€<br />
Eero Brillantes, CEO of Mindbullet Marketing and Public Relations, and maintains the young turkâ€™s blog <a href="http://www.oppositeofapathy.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.oppositeofapathy.wordpress.com</a> says that the blog has become hyperactive after the Silliman activity. Based on site metering, he noted interest in what the group has to say. â€œThe blog has just recently been put up. Yet it has already been visited almost 10,000 times. It is currently ranked number 13 for politics and government by topblogs.com.ph. Its just one notch lower to the â€œMar Roxas for President 2010 blog which is at number 12. The blog definitely has momentum. With the campus tour catching fire, the blog is poised to be a prominent fixture in new politics for the country. The Young Turks and the Internet Nation has become properly introducedâ€.</p>
<p>For his part Remoto was upbeat about the launch and how the internet was able to disseminate the event exponentially. â€œSkycable showed the complete proceedings that night of July 10, and we also had coverage from two radio stations, two newspapers and the Sillimanian college paper as well as its website. Not to mention the many blogs of the bagets from Silliman, which are now being read and re-sent and re-read all over the borderless world of cyberspace. â€<br />
Congressman Tanada, emphasized the need for dialogue between the young batch of political leaders and the youth. He said that it is important for the youth not to loose hope and for them to assert their rights. Remulla asserted that there is still hope and it resides in the youth and the young generation should not be afraid to stand for what they believe in.<br />
On August 26, 2008, the Young Turks will visit the University of the Philippines National College of Public Administration and Governance. This will be followed by a tour to University of the Philippines at Los BaÃ±os in September. xxx</p>
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		<title>By: hvrds</title>
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		<dc:creator>hvrds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to forgive functionally illiterates when they fail to take cognizance of the word &quot;reservations.&quot;  They already think of fiscal policies -(property taxes) when the social format of the period is still pre-capitalistic and pre-monetary. Mahirap talaga yung mahina ang ulo. 

Most of tribal Indian territories were taken over the the white men. The remaining Indian tribes were given small sections of their own ancestral lands and these were called reservations. Naturally losers can&#039;t be choosers. 

Under U.S. Federal law the Indian reservations became plots of land outside the ambit of U.S. federal and state laws. Therefore outside the ambit of fiscal policies. Lots of my friends buy duty and tax free cigarettes from Indian reservations. 

The colonizers basically drew the boundaries of the Philippines. The Commonwealth then also recognized the &quot;reservations&quot; where the Muslims held sway. 

But what the act said was simply the power of the chiefs or datu&#039;s over land use and ownership was canceled. Even the lands on the reservation belonged to the commonwealth state. 

The Philippine commonwealth state canceled the feudal rule over absolute property rights of datu&#039;s and chiefs. (Similar in substance to the feudal rules in Europe.) Nation states abolished monarchies.  Our tribes were still communal feudal tribes.  There was no evolution to more evolved forms of feudalism like in Europe.  

The state then moved to grant homesteading rights and after a period of time (they called it becoming civilized) legal titles would be then given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to forgive functionally illiterates when they fail to take cognizance of the word &#8220;reservations.&#8221;  They already think of fiscal policies -(property taxes) when the social format of the period is still pre-capitalistic and pre-monetary. Mahirap talaga yung mahina ang ulo. </p>
<p>Most of tribal Indian territories were taken over the the white men. The remaining Indian tribes were given small sections of their own ancestral lands and these were called reservations. Naturally losers can&#8217;t be choosers. </p>
<p>Under U.S. Federal law the Indian reservations became plots of land outside the ambit of U.S. federal and state laws. Therefore outside the ambit of fiscal policies. Lots of my friends buy duty and tax free cigarettes from Indian reservations. </p>
<p>The colonizers basically drew the boundaries of the Philippines. The Commonwealth then also recognized the &#8220;reservations&#8221; where the Muslims held sway. </p>
<p>But what the act said was simply the power of the chiefs or datu&#8217;s over land use and ownership was canceled. Even the lands on the reservation belonged to the commonwealth state. </p>
<p>The Philippine commonwealth state canceled the feudal rule over absolute property rights of datu&#8217;s and chiefs. (Similar in substance to the feudal rules in Europe.) Nation states abolished monarchies.  Our tribes were still communal feudal tribes.  There was no evolution to more evolved forms of feudalism like in Europe.  </p>
<p>The state then moved to grant homesteading rights and after a period of time (they called it becoming civilized) legal titles would be then given.</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/08/the-sultan-sa-ramain-speaks-1934/comment-page-2/#comment-908693</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leytenian,

Hi.

I am one of those who believe that the MOA, though initialed; is NOT binding.

So though the core of the proposed BJE will be made up of the ARMM and the pulled municipalities of Lanao Del Norte; I am one of those who believe that there is NO EXISTING BJE at the moment.

And that goes for 1998 up to the present.

So that mining firm and land acquired by private companies you are referring to were done in the context of the law of the Republic of the Philippines whether they be inside the ARMM or even in the proposed BJE.

If YOU BELIEVE that the BJE is existing right now or even in 1998 as per your idea that that Australian mining firm and land acquired are IN THE BJE; please do share your reasons for thinking so as I&#039;m very much interested.

Vic, Grd,

Sorry but I have little time right now so I&#039;ll just read your statements to me later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leytenian,</p>
<p>Hi.</p>
<p>I am one of those who believe that the MOA, though initialed; is NOT binding.</p>
<p>So though the core of the proposed BJE will be made up of the ARMM and the pulled municipalities of Lanao Del Norte; I am one of those who believe that there is NO EXISTING BJE at the moment.</p>
<p>And that goes for 1998 up to the present.</p>
<p>So that mining firm and land acquired by private companies you are referring to were done in the context of the law of the Republic of the Philippines whether they be inside the ARMM or even in the proposed BJE.</p>
<p>If YOU BELIEVE that the BJE is existing right now or even in 1998 as per your idea that that Australian mining firm and land acquired are IN THE BJE; please do share your reasons for thinking so as I&#8217;m very much interested.</p>
<p>Vic, Grd,</p>
<p>Sorry but I have little time right now so I&#8217;ll just read your statements to me later.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or try:

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