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		<title>By: Frederico Gustalman</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/08/07/the-march-of-folly-in-mindanao/comment-page-1/#comment-908771</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederico Gustalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is in my opinion to state that BJE is a &quot;force-deal&quot; by our government and the Muslim bandits. 

Where can you find a republic that submits to the  death wishes of the rebels? Only here in the Philippines.

Maybe the government is trying to solve this decade-long struggle for peace, but solving this small problem will be the cause of making another problem...A cause for a civil war..maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is in my opinion to state that BJE is a &#8220;force-deal&#8221; by our government and the Muslim bandits. </p>
<p>Where can you find a republic that submits to the  death wishes of the rebels? Only here in the Philippines.</p>
<p>Maybe the government is trying to solve this decade-long struggle for peace, but solving this small problem will be the cause of making another problem&#8230;A cause for a civil war..maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends, I think each of us now needs to think about what he or she will do in the event martial law is declared. I am very concerned that the following sequence of events is all too likely:

1. The MOA will be defeated either by an SC decision or by inability to change the constitution due to widespread opposition.
2. Violence erupts: bombs detonate in the capital and key cities in Mindanao; key critics of the deal (e.g., Mar Roxas, Chiz Escudero) are assassinated. All of these are attributed to the MILF. This could well be accompanied by skirmishes between armed civilians and the MILF in Mindanao.
3. The Palace declares martial law and nabs all opponents, ostensibly to &quot;protect&quot; them from liquidation. It then proceeds to formulate a new constitution which is widely &quot;ratified&quot; while under martial rule. The new constitution is, of course, parliamentary, with no term limits for officials.

If you think this is far-fetched, please remember: it&#039;s happened before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, I think each of us now needs to think about what he or she will do in the event martial law is declared. I am very concerned that the following sequence of events is all too likely:</p>
<p>1. The MOA will be defeated either by an SC decision or by inability to change the constitution due to widespread opposition.<br />
2. Violence erupts: bombs detonate in the capital and key cities in Mindanao; key critics of the deal (e.g., Mar Roxas, Chiz Escudero) are assassinated. All of these are attributed to the MILF. This could well be accompanied by skirmishes between armed civilians and the MILF in Mindanao.<br />
3. The Palace declares martial law and nabs all opponents, ostensibly to &#8220;protect&#8221; them from liquidation. It then proceeds to formulate a new constitution which is widely &#8220;ratified&#8221; while under martial rule. The new constitution is, of course, parliamentary, with no term limits for officials.</p>
<p>If you think this is far-fetched, please remember: it&#8217;s happened before.</p>
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		<title>By: rimewire</title>
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		<dc:creator>rimewire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--

Waaaaaahh.

Too technical for a seventeen-year old alien.

hakhak

elyens

XXXxx</description>
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<p>Waaaaaahh.</p>
<p>Too technical for a seventeen-year old alien.</p>
<p>hakhak</p>
<p>elyens</p>
<p>XXXxx</p>
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		<title>By: jcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wan Tester,

Please read my post carefully. I am not an admirer of MNLF/MILF, or NPA or the administration. I am just a humble person who  is trying to contribute a little bit of punditry in a highly charge political issue  of sovereignty mutilation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wan Tester,</p>
<p>Please read my post carefully. I am not an admirer of MNLF/MILF, or NPA or the administration. I am just a humble person who  is trying to contribute a little bit of punditry in a highly charge political issue  of sovereignty mutilation.</p>
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		<title>By: WAN tester</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAN tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to jcc:     Who again can say that the MILF will be better administrators over a group of Filipino citizens???   Will all of the members of this population of BJE  have better freedom-of-religion,  better respect for women&#039;s and children&#039;s rights?  The MILF promises worse than  &quot;Pare-pareho lang iyan,  just leave us alone so we can tend to raising our children and earning a living&quot;   --- witness how quickly they turn to brandishing their guns and torching some villages  when they feel that their macho is being challenged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to jcc:     Who again can say that the MILF will be better administrators over a group of Filipino citizens???   Will all of the members of this population of BJE  have better freedom-of-religion,  better respect for women&#8217;s and children&#8217;s rights?  The MILF promises worse than  &#8220;Pare-pareho lang iyan,  just leave us alone so we can tend to raising our children and earning a living&#8221;   &#8212; witness how quickly they turn to brandishing their guns and torching some villages  when they feel that their macho is being challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: jcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOW TO MUTILATE A COUNTRY


          The Philippine archipelago is comprised of the territory Ã¢â‚¬Å“cededÃ¢â‚¬Â by the Spain to US in the treaty of Paris of December 10, 1898. In the treaty, these territories are described as follows:


Article III. 

Ã¢â‚¬Å“A line running from west to east along or near the twentieth parallel of north latitude, and through the middle of the navigable channel of Bachi, from the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) to the one hundred and twenty-seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence along the one hundred and twenty seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45Ã¢â‚¬Â²]) north latitude, thence along the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north latitude to its intersection with the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35Ã¢â‚¬Â²) east of Greenwich, thence along the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35Ã¢â‚¬Â²) east of Greenwich to the parallel of latitude seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north, thence along the parallel of latitude of seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north to its intersection with the one hundred and sixteenth (116th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence by a direct line to the intersection of the tenth (10th) degree parallel of north latitude with the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, and thence along the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the point of beginning.The United States will pay to Spain the sum of twenty million dollars ($20,000,000) within three months after the exchange of the ratifications of the present treaty.Ã¢â‚¬Â

The 1935 Constitution in defining the territory of the Philippines provides in Article 1:


Ã¢â‚¬Å“The Philippines comprises all the territory ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Paris concluded between the United States and Spain on the tenth day of December, eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, the limits which are set forth in Article III of said treaty, together with all the islands embraced in the treaty concluded at Washington between the United States and Spain on the seventh day of November, nineteen hundred, and the treaty concluded between the United States and Great Britain on the second day of January, nineteen hundred and thirty, and all territory over which the present Government of the Philippine Islands exercises jurisdiction.Ã¢â‚¬Â


The 1973 and 1987 Constitutions define Philippine territory as follows:
Ã¢â‚¬Å“The national territory comprises the Philippine archipelago, with all the islands and waters embraced therein, and all the other territories belonging to the Philippines by historic or legal title, including the territorial sea, the air space, the subsoil, the sea-bed, the insular shelves, and the submarine areas over which the Philippines has sovereignty or jurisdiction. The waters around, between, and connecting the islands of the archipelago, irrespective of their breadth and dimensions, form part of the internal waters of the Philippines.Ã¢â‚¬Â
We as laymen, come to know our territories as the main islands of Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao comprising of some 7,107 islands.

We did not agree that our country was ceded by Spain to the US on December 10, 1898 because we have become independent 6 months before that when Emilio Aguinaldo declared Philippine independence on June 12, 1898. This is the reason why we continue to celebrate our independence day on this date and not July 4, as we previously did.


From the time of the revolutionary government of Aguinaldo up to the present time, we have exercised sovereignty over the island of Mindanao. Mindanao had recognized our government when its tribal chieftains have run for public office and had pledged allegiance to the Philippine flag.

Later, when Malaysian and Indonesian influence on the minority moslem in Mindanao, created a vibrant religion that proselytized most of the Mindanao inhabitants, certain chieftains of the island would like to establish a Republic of Mindanao. The rise of Muslim extremists of the Al Queda type found surrogates in the Muslim inhabitants in this island. The issue of the island being neglected by the central government in Manila and the poverty level of the people in this island were used to drumbeat the need for a Ã¢â‚¬Å“Mindanao RepublicÃ¢â‚¬Â. This aspiration culminated in rise of the MNLF and MILF, or even the brigand group of Abbu Sayaff, whose chief objective is to finally establish a separate Republic of Mindanao.

ARRM is the political aspect of this struggle. The peace process between the MILF or MNLF and the Government, while it is  being undertaken by the government to address and appease the grievances of the people of Mindanao, is from MILFÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s or MNLFÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s standpoint  a strategic struggle to establish a Mindanao Republic.


It was to the credit of some of our people who see the bigger picture that the ARRM elections and Ã¢â‚¬Å“peace negotiationsÃ¢â‚¬Â between the MILF/MNLF and the government were being used only to negotiate for time, just enough time, when these group of armed militias have all the strength and resources to wave their own flag in the island and declare the Ã¢â‚¬Å“State of MindanaoÃ¢â‚¬Â and drive away all the Christians in the island.


Just like the Ã¢â‚¬Å“peace negotiationÃ¢â‚¬Â the government has with the NPA, it is being undertaken only to negotiate for time before the eventual kill.  Whoever thinks that the MILF/MNLF and the NPA have the desire for peace is a real dreamer. All these groups want is power and the subjugation of people who do not think just like them.

Great nations would desire for more territories, while we parcel out our own under the guise of promoting peace.  We have already abdicated our rights over part of North Borneo (Sabah) during Marcos time. We are abdicating our territorial rights now over Spratleys.  We are about to abdicate our territorial rights over Mindanao.

And some of us see nothing wrong with the way we mutilate our sovereignty and national territory.

Oh boy, we are totally screwed up. ! ! ! !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOW TO MUTILATE A COUNTRY</p>
<p>          The Philippine archipelago is comprised of the territory Ã¢â‚¬Å“cededÃ¢â‚¬Â by the Spain to US in the treaty of Paris of December 10, 1898. In the treaty, these territories are described as follows:</p>
<p>Article III. </p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“A line running from west to east along or near the twentieth parallel of north latitude, and through the middle of the navigable channel of Bachi, from the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) to the one hundred and twenty-seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence along the one hundred and twenty seventh (127th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45Ã¢â‚¬Â²]) north latitude, thence along the parallel of four degrees and forty five minutes (4 [degree symbol] 45Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north latitude to its intersection with the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35Ã¢â‚¬Â²) east of Greenwich, thence along the meridian of longitude one hundred and nineteen degrees and thirty five minutes (119 [degree symbol] 35Ã¢â‚¬Â²) east of Greenwich to the parallel of latitude seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north, thence along the parallel of latitude of seven degrees and forty minutes (7 [degree symbol] 40Ã¢â‚¬Â²) north to its intersection with the one hundred and sixteenth (116th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, thence by a direct line to the intersection of the tenth (10th) degree parallel of north latitude with the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, and thence along the one hundred and eighteenth (118th) degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich to the point of beginning.The United States will pay to Spain the sum of twenty million dollars ($20,000,000) within three months after the exchange of the ratifications of the present treaty.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>The 1935 Constitution in defining the territory of the Philippines provides in Article 1:</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The Philippines comprises all the territory ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Paris concluded between the United States and Spain on the tenth day of December, eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, the limits which are set forth in Article III of said treaty, together with all the islands embraced in the treaty concluded at Washington between the United States and Spain on the seventh day of November, nineteen hundred, and the treaty concluded between the United States and Great Britain on the second day of January, nineteen hundred and thirty, and all territory over which the present Government of the Philippine Islands exercises jurisdiction.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>The 1973 and 1987 Constitutions define Philippine territory as follows:<br />
Ã¢â‚¬Å“The national territory comprises the Philippine archipelago, with all the islands and waters embraced therein, and all the other territories belonging to the Philippines by historic or legal title, including the territorial sea, the air space, the subsoil, the sea-bed, the insular shelves, and the submarine areas over which the Philippines has sovereignty or jurisdiction. The waters around, between, and connecting the islands of the archipelago, irrespective of their breadth and dimensions, form part of the internal waters of the Philippines.Ã¢â‚¬Â<br />
We as laymen, come to know our territories as the main islands of Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao comprising of some 7,107 islands.</p>
<p>We did not agree that our country was ceded by Spain to the US on December 10, 1898 because we have become independent 6 months before that when Emilio Aguinaldo declared Philippine independence on June 12, 1898. This is the reason why we continue to celebrate our independence day on this date and not July 4, as we previously did.</p>
<p>From the time of the revolutionary government of Aguinaldo up to the present time, we have exercised sovereignty over the island of Mindanao. Mindanao had recognized our government when its tribal chieftains have run for public office and had pledged allegiance to the Philippine flag.</p>
<p>Later, when Malaysian and Indonesian influence on the minority moslem in Mindanao, created a vibrant religion that proselytized most of the Mindanao inhabitants, certain chieftains of the island would like to establish a Republic of Mindanao. The rise of Muslim extremists of the Al Queda type found surrogates in the Muslim inhabitants in this island. The issue of the island being neglected by the central government in Manila and the poverty level of the people in this island were used to drumbeat the need for a Ã¢â‚¬Å“Mindanao RepublicÃ¢â‚¬Â. This aspiration culminated in rise of the MNLF and MILF, or even the brigand group of Abbu Sayaff, whose chief objective is to finally establish a separate Republic of Mindanao.</p>
<p>ARRM is the political aspect of this struggle. The peace process between the MILF or MNLF and the Government, while it is  being undertaken by the government to address and appease the grievances of the people of Mindanao, is from MILFÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s or MNLFÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s standpoint  a strategic struggle to establish a Mindanao Republic.</p>
<p>It was to the credit of some of our people who see the bigger picture that the ARRM elections and Ã¢â‚¬Å“peace negotiationsÃ¢â‚¬Â between the MILF/MNLF and the government were being used only to negotiate for time, just enough time, when these group of armed militias have all the strength and resources to wave their own flag in the island and declare the Ã¢â‚¬Å“State of MindanaoÃ¢â‚¬Â and drive away all the Christians in the island.</p>
<p>Just like the Ã¢â‚¬Å“peace negotiationÃ¢â‚¬Â the government has with the NPA, it is being undertaken only to negotiate for time before the eventual kill.  Whoever thinks that the MILF/MNLF and the NPA have the desire for peace is a real dreamer. All these groups want is power and the subjugation of people who do not think just like them.</p>
<p>Great nations would desire for more territories, while we parcel out our own under the guise of promoting peace.  We have already abdicated our rights over part of North Borneo (Sabah) during Marcos time. We are abdicating our territorial rights now over Spratleys.  We are about to abdicate our territorial rights over Mindanao.</p>
<p>And some of us see nothing wrong with the way we mutilate our sovereignty and national territory.</p>
<p>Oh boy, we are totally screwed up. ! ! ! !</p>
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		<title>By: pushprojectileagainstpropellant</title>
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		<dc:creator>pushprojectileagainstpropellant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen may cry, Peace, PeaceÃ¢â‚¬â€œ but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Gentlemen may cry, Peace, PeaceÃ¢â‚¬â€œ but there is no peace.
U.S. History &#124; March 23, 1775 &#124; Patrick Henry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen may cry, Peace, PeaceÃ¢â‚¬â€œ but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!</p>
<p>Gentlemen may cry, Peace, PeaceÃ¢â‚¬â€œ but there is no peace.<br />
U.S. History | March 23, 1775 | Patrick Henry</p>
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		<title>By: Kutkkut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kutkkut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace talks, diplomacy, bluffing  or anything are of the weak. Our military is weak. Its truly on the defense in the face of confrontations with small troublemakers like the few Abu Sayyafs, the few MILFs, the few remaining NPAs. Why not scrap the military and leave that matter to the little troublemakers. They have better strategies and tactics than our own generals. They can collect arms at will. They can occupy any place at will. Our police and military can not even impose gun ban in Manila, how much more in the south?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace talks, diplomacy, bluffing  or anything are of the weak. Our military is weak. Its truly on the defense in the face of confrontations with small troublemakers like the few Abu Sayyafs, the few MILFs, the few remaining NPAs. Why not scrap the military and leave that matter to the little troublemakers. They have better strategies and tactics than our own generals. They can collect arms at will. They can occupy any place at will. Our police and military can not even impose gun ban in Manila, how much more in the south?</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know why the military is tolerating this woman. - Brianb&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If it was purely GMA&#039;s initiative, she&#039;d already be eased out  by now but i think the military is not moving against her precisely because what she is doing is in line with the Americans&#039; agenda.  As such, the Philippine military has no choice but to suck it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know why the military is tolerating this woman. &#8211; Brianb</p></blockquote>
<p>If it was purely GMA&#8217;s initiative, she&#8217;d already be eased out  by now but i think the military is not moving against her precisely because what she is doing is in line with the Americans&#8217; agenda.  As such, the Philippine military has no choice but to suck it up.</p>
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		<title>By: WAN tester</title>
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		<dc:creator>WAN tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s this nonsense-talk from d00d0ng  about  &lt;i&gt;&quot;...the BJE can start buying out real properties at market value for BJE public use to regain back Ancestral Domain.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We are not talking about San Miguel Corporation needing land,    this is the MILF of KFR and village &quot;geography-cleansing&quot;  fame!!!

One of the biggest problems for the MILF, though,  will be the Tausugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s this nonsense-talk from d00d0ng  about  <i>&#8220;&#8230;the BJE can start buying out real properties at market value for BJE public use to regain back Ancestral Domain.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We are not talking about San Miguel Corporation needing land,    this is the MILF of KFR and village &#8220;geography-cleansing&#8221;  fame!!!</p>
<p>One of the biggest problems for the MILF, though,  will be the Tausugs.</p>
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