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		<title>By: anthony scalia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-800641</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony scalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 07:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC,

to add:

if Trillanic and Lim were victorious, they don&#039;t have the balls to turn over the government to Noli De Castro. i bet Lim would not even want to be 2nd in command to a mere &#039;elticol&#039; (Lt Col pa lang si trillanic, right?) kahit senador pa sya!

they don&#039;t have the balls of Enrile and Ramos who turned over the leadership to Tita Cory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC,</p>
<p>to add:</p>
<p>if Trillanic and Lim were victorious, they don&#8217;t have the balls to turn over the government to Noli De Castro. i bet Lim would not even want to be 2nd in command to a mere &#8216;elticol&#8217; (Lt Col pa lang si trillanic, right?) kahit senador pa sya!</p>
<p>they don&#8217;t have the balls of Enrile and Ramos who turned over the leadership to Tita Cory</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-800565</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trillanes thinks he is Moses who only needs to walk and his people will follow him towards the promised land. He also thinks that all he needs to do is dip his stick and the Red Sea will part for him and his minions to pass. Hence, his planned walk from the courtroom, with his Starex and mistahs blocking Makati Avenue. But alas, the Israelites shunned him, having seen a false prophet calling, &quot;Sumama na kayo&quot;.
Lim declared, &quot;There are special units coming from Northern Luzon&quot;.  The Trillanes&#039; arrogance continued, telling the media, &quot;Sinisiguro ko sa inyo, walang assault na mangyayari&quot;, confident that he had the military&#039;s full support because they voted for him. 

When the teargas came, his cowardice came out,&quot;Now you are all witnesses to this governments tyranny (something to that effect). 

Now, in court, he&#039;s saying,&quot;There was no coup&quot;, using legalese to get out. If that&#039;s not cowardice, I don&#039;t know what it is.. Starting a coup only to deny it later.. Susmaryosep!

And now, what&#039;s this failed assassination that he&#039;s claiming? 

In my barangay, the street thugs have more character than him. I&#039;d prefer the rugby boys over him, at any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trillanes thinks he is Moses who only needs to walk and his people will follow him towards the promised land. He also thinks that all he needs to do is dip his stick and the Red Sea will part for him and his minions to pass. Hence, his planned walk from the courtroom, with his Starex and mistahs blocking Makati Avenue. But alas, the Israelites shunned him, having seen a false prophet calling, &#8220;Sumama na kayo&#8221;.<br />
Lim declared, &#8220;There are special units coming from Northern Luzon&#8221;.  The Trillanes&#8217; arrogance continued, telling the media, &#8220;Sinisiguro ko sa inyo, walang assault na mangyayari&#8221;, confident that he had the military&#8217;s full support because they voted for him. </p>
<p>When the teargas came, his cowardice came out,&#8221;Now you are all witnesses to this governments tyranny (something to that effect). </p>
<p>Now, in court, he&#8217;s saying,&#8221;There was no coup&#8221;, using legalese to get out. If that&#8217;s not cowardice, I don&#8217;t know what it is.. Starting a coup only to deny it later.. Susmaryosep!</p>
<p>And now, what&#8217;s this failed assassination that he&#8217;s claiming? </p>
<p>In my barangay, the street thugs have more character than him. I&#8217;d prefer the rugby boys over him, at any day.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799580</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 10:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj, 

on trillanes action, below was written by mlq3 on the link you just provided. is it not my point and also anthony scalia and the others?


&lt;blockquote&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ But I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like it, I think he betrayed his mandate as a senator, which was to take his fight from the periphery into the heart of government, and I think he was foolish and those with him did the President a favor instead of doing anyone else any good. But I am equally upset with the fire-breathing statements of people who refuse to see why the clusterfuck was inevitable, and that the whole thing could have ended up far worse, if some cooler heads somewhere hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t prevailed. Ã¢â‚¬â€œmlq3 &lt;blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj, </p>
<p>on trillanes action, below was written by mlq3 on the link you just provided. is it not my point and also anthony scalia and the others?</p>
<blockquote><p>Ã¢â‚¬Â¦ But I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t like it, I think he betrayed his mandate as a senator, which was to take his fight from the periphery into the heart of government, and I think he was foolish and those with him did the President a favor instead of doing anyone else any good. But I am equally upset with the fire-breathing statements of people who refuse to see why the clusterfuck was inevitable, and that the whole thing could have ended up far worse, if some cooler heads somewhere hadnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t prevailed. Ã¢â‚¬â€œmlq3<br />
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799576</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 09:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, here&#039;s the link to Manolo&#039;s column (via his War Freak&#039;s  blog entry) to refresh you on the parties whom he condemned:

www.quezon.ph/1605/war-freaks-updated/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, here&#8217;s the link to Manolo&#8217;s column (via his War Freak&#8217;s  blog entry) to refresh you on the parties whom he condemned:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quezon.ph/1605/war-freaks-updated/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quezon.ph/1605/war-freaks-updated/</a></p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
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		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlq3, 

the reason abou my comment re trillanes is that I had already difficulty explaining to some people specially to my wife the wisdom or folly in voting for trillanes then. not even the reason of  a protest vote could make me convince her the move was wise. Ã¢â‚¬Å“so what I said, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s how I see him, we need people like him in the senateÃ¢â‚¬Â. but then came this peninsula siege. wtf, a very stupid act. you hear people say, Ã¢â‚¬Å“see what I meant?Ã¢â‚¬Â¦I told you soÃ¢â‚¬Â... then you learn further his motive behind the move. from embarrassment to outrage. a feeling of betrayal. it was a waste afterall.

then, here comes this smart guy w/ a mob mentality judging my character because I have to condemn the move of his idol. but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a consolation (and I believe a sane reaction) that I read yours and scaliaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s comments and most of the others too I read and heard (except ellen and her mob) who felt betrayed too supported my position and reaction about trillanes.

between the scaRRed cat and ellen t., I would always prefer and give credence to the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlq3, </p>
<p>the reason abou my comment re trillanes is that I had already difficulty explaining to some people specially to my wife the wisdom or folly in voting for trillanes then. not even the reason of  a protest vote could make me convince her the move was wise. Ã¢â‚¬Å“so what I said, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s how I see him, we need people like him in the senateÃ¢â‚¬Â. but then came this peninsula siege. wtf, a very stupid act. you hear people say, Ã¢â‚¬Å“see what I meant?Ã¢â‚¬Â¦I told you soÃ¢â‚¬Â&#8230; then you learn further his motive behind the move. from embarrassment to outrage. a feeling of betrayal. it was a waste afterall.</p>
<p>then, here comes this smart guy w/ a mob mentality judging my character because I have to condemn the move of his idol. but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a consolation (and I believe a sane reaction) that I read yours and scaliaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s comments and most of the others too I read and heard (except ellen and her mob) who felt betrayed too supported my position and reaction about trillanes.</p>
<p>between the scaRRed cat and ellen t., I would always prefer and give credence to the former.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799541</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anthony, to some whining is a patriotic act. just ask cvj.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anthony, to some whining is a patriotic act. just ask cvj.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799514</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlq3,

Voting for Trillanes is a mistake that I am proud not to have committed. From Day 1 in Oakwood, It&#039;s obvious that there&#039;s nothing in him, for a captain at that. tsk tsk.. I wouldn&#039;t even have him lead my barangay patrol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlq3,</p>
<p>Voting for Trillanes is a mistake that I am proud not to have committed. From Day 1 in Oakwood, It&#8217;s obvious that there&#8217;s nothing in him, for a captain at that. tsk tsk.. I wouldn&#8217;t even have him lead my barangay patrol.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799305</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, you&#039;re welcome to review my columns, etc. concerning the peninsula caper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, you&#8217;re welcome to review my columns, etc. concerning the peninsula caper.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799279</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I voted for Trillanes and being disappointed is putting it mildly - mlq3 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

mlq3, are you abandoning trillanes too after voting for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I voted for Trillanes and being disappointed is putting it mildly &#8211; mlq3 </p></blockquote>
<p>mlq3, are you abandoning trillanes too after voting for him?</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/05/05/a-proposal-lacking-a-consensus/comment-page-3/#comment-799104</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, again it&#039;s the ballot fill-up rate. Your standard of proof, i.e. a 100% sweep, as shown by the example of Maguindanao, would actually be rightly taken as a sign of Election irregularities.

In the interest of completeness and accurate context, what i meant in my comment in the next thread (at May 9th, 2008, 4:32 pm) was to &#039;Wait for 2010&#039; &lt;i&gt;if we want to see Gloria&#039;s plan to do a &#039;Putin&#039; play out&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, again it&#8217;s the ballot fill-up rate. Your standard of proof, i.e. a 100% sweep, as shown by the example of Maguindanao, would actually be rightly taken as a sign of Election irregularities.</p>
<p>In the interest of completeness and accurate context, what i meant in my comment in the next thread (at May 9th, 2008, 4:32 pm) was to &#8216;Wait for 2010&#8242; <i>if we want to see Gloria&#8217;s plan to do a &#8216;Putin&#8217; play out</i>.</p>
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