Comments on: The Original Sin and the Continuing Crime http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: zeel http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-7/#comment-770024 zeel Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:39:48 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-770024 Nash, ur ryt. DOST's ASTI (Advanced Science and Technology Institute) has a nationwide/international broadband network called PREGINET that links research and educational institutions here and abroad. i reckon all these are created using the measley budget handed over by the government (and with Pinoy brilliant minds). bakit kailangan ng bilyones para sa NBN? malaking kalokohan. Nash,

ur ryt. DOST’s ASTI (Advanced Science and Technology Institute) has a nationwide/international broadband network called PREGINET that links research and educational institutions here and abroad. i reckon all these are created using the measley budget handed over by the government (and with Pinoy brilliant minds).

bakit kailangan ng bilyones para sa NBN? malaking kalokohan.

]]> By: Bencard http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-7/#comment-767993 Bencard Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:12:23 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767993 bert, i see. thanks. bert, i see. thanks.

]]> By: Bert http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-7/#comment-767835 Bert Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:13:32 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767835 "bert, elementary fairness dictates that, in the absence of proof, speculation has no value in terms of credibility. how can you say “it will remain as credible as the truth”?--Bencard Bencard, a knee-jerk reaction, specially of the 'hoi polloi' kind as meant by anthony, do not consider elementary fairness. 'Credible as the truth' is only in the mind since this not a court of law. To be clear about this, we have to wait for the result of another SWS and Pulse Asia survey regard Gloria and NBN. You took my statement too literally. Cheers! “bert, elementary fairness dictates that, in the absence of proof, speculation has no value in terms of credibility. how can you say “it will remain as credible as the truth”?–Bencard

Bencard, a knee-jerk reaction, specially of the ‘hoi polloi’ kind as meant by anthony, do not consider elementary fairness. ‘Credible as the truth’ is only in the mind since this not a court of law. To be clear about this, we have to wait for the result of another SWS and Pulse Asia survey regard Gloria and NBN. You took my statement too literally. Cheers!

]]> By: anthony scalia http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-7/#comment-767672 anthony scalia Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:38:34 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767672 Bert, "btw, let me take this opportunity to say that I no longer suspect anthony scalia to be a government person." hallelujah! you've seen the light! :-) Bert,

“btw, let me take this opportunity to say that I no longer suspect anthony scalia to be a government person.”

hallelujah! you’ve seen the light! :-)

]]> By: John Christian Canda http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-767669 John Christian Canda Mon, 17 Mar 2008 05:31:32 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767669 It seems that Team Unity and the Genuine Opposition are not different from two rival criminal gangs fighting over an innocent lady representing the Philippines. It seems that Team Unity and the Genuine Opposition are not different from two rival criminal gangs fighting over an innocent lady representing the Philippines.

]]> By: Bencard http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-767455 Bencard Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:10:55 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767455 bert, elementary fairness dictates that, in the absence of proof, speculation has no value in terms of credibility. how can you say "it will remain as credible as the truth"? bert, elementary fairness dictates that, in the absence of proof, speculation has no value in terms of credibility. how can you say “it will remain as credible as the truth”?

]]> By: Bert http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-767328 Bert Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:40:18 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-767328 until neri answers the '3 questions' truthfully under oath in the senate investigation, speculations on gloria's culpability regards nbn are just that, speculation. until then, 'the knee-jerk reaction of the hoi polloi' will remain as credible as the truth. btw, let me take this opportunity to say that I no longer suspect anthony scalia to be a government person. until neri answers the ’3 questions’ truthfully under oath in the senate investigation, speculations on gloria’s culpability regards nbn are just that, speculation. until then, ‘the knee-jerk reaction of the hoi polloi’ will remain as credible as the truth.

btw, let me take this opportunity to say that I no longer suspect anthony scalia to be a government person.

]]> By: anthony scalia http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-766908 anthony scalia Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:21:35 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-766908 Bencard, I acknowledge the possibility of the scenario pointed in your first paragraph gloria could have told Neri "wala yan, di tutoo yan. ipatuloy mo lang." then she asks "DOTC, meron bang attempt sa inyo?" Sabi ng DOTC "wala po ma'am." gloria can say that "in my due diligence i never saw bribery/potential kickbacks" "once she had reasonable ground to believe that the deal was indeed tainted, she ordered its cancellation. what is so irregular or anomalous about that?" no, i would not call that anomalous/irregular. its just that she waited for the controversy to be the circus that it is now when she ordered its cancellation. the project was already moving (though preliminaries pa lang, wala pa talagang contract on the project itself). so the knee jerk reaction of hoi polloi is 'pinayagan nya ang project to move on despite Neri's disclosure'. of course gloria can validly doubt Neri's claims on Abalos gloria may be off the hook in terms of personal involvement, but why is she so slow in investigating the people involved? i think thats the point of the 'ex-men' listening to the Senate investigations, the whole NBN-ZTE thing is actually just about attempts at bribery and kickbacks. no government money is spent yet nor paid to ZTE. whether ZTE money actually found its way to the pockets of key DOTC and other government officials is another matter. thus far, no one has 'admitted' receiving ZTE money. due to the seriousness of the allegations, gloria should have 'urged' or 'requested' the PAGC to investigate if ZTE money already flowed into the pockets of government men. maybe a lifestyle check of DOTC people is in order Bencard,

I acknowledge the possibility of the scenario pointed in your first paragraph

gloria could have told Neri “wala yan, di tutoo yan. ipatuloy mo lang.” then she asks “DOTC, meron bang attempt sa inyo?” Sabi ng DOTC “wala po ma’am.” gloria can say that “in my due diligence i never saw bribery/potential kickbacks”

“once she had reasonable ground to believe that the deal was indeed tainted, she ordered its cancellation. what is so irregular or anomalous about that?”

no, i would not call that anomalous/irregular. its just that she waited for the controversy to be the circus that it is now when she ordered its cancellation. the project was already moving (though preliminaries pa lang, wala pa talagang contract on the project itself). so the knee jerk reaction of hoi polloi is ‘pinayagan nya ang project to move on despite Neri’s disclosure’. of course gloria can validly doubt Neri’s claims on Abalos

gloria may be off the hook in terms of personal involvement, but why is she so slow in investigating the people involved? i think thats the point of the ‘ex-men’

listening to the Senate investigations, the whole NBN-ZTE thing is actually just about attempts at bribery and kickbacks. no government money is spent yet nor paid to ZTE. whether ZTE money actually found its way to the pockets of key DOTC and other government officials is another matter. thus far, no one has ‘admitted’ receiving ZTE money.

due to the seriousness of the allegations, gloria should have ‘urged’ or ‘requested’ the PAGC to investigate if ZTE money already flowed into the pockets of government men. maybe a lifestyle check of DOTC people is in order

]]> By: anthony scalia http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-766885 anthony scalia Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:23:54 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-766885 Bencard, on San Miguel's 'bomb' - its salvage time, the 'scrap' can still be worth something Bencard,

on San Miguel’s ‘bomb’ – its salvage time, the ‘scrap’ can still be worth something

]]> By: Bencard http://www.quezon.ph/2008/03/10/the-original-sin-and-the-continuing-crime/comment-page-6/#comment-766880 Bencard Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:15:10 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1721#comment-766880 anthony scalia, i wouldn't go so far as to say "gloria" let the project continue even with the "knowledge of the bribe offer". even if it was alleged by neri, it was still an allegation. no responsible official worth her salt would cancel an important international agreement (important because it was for the modernization of government's communication facilities, among other things) instantaneously on a mere hint of bribery, i.e. "may 200 ka dito"). the right course of action was to have it investigated and verified (which she said she did) but not to disrupt the scheduled process - at that point the first one among a series of signing documents. afterall, it was a transaction among adults, not irresponsible kids. once she had reasonable ground to believe that the deal was indeed tainted, she ordered its cancellation. what is so irregular or anomalous about that? anthony scalia, i wouldn’t go so far as to say “gloria” let the project continue even with the “knowledge of the bribe offer”. even if it was alleged by neri, it was still an allegation. no responsible official worth her salt would cancel an important international agreement (important because it was for the modernization of government’s communication facilities, among other things) instantaneously on a mere hint of bribery, i.e. “may 200 ka dito”). the right course of action was to have it investigated and verified (which she said she did) but not to disrupt the scheduled process – at that point the first one among a series of signing documents. afterall, it was a transaction among adults, not irresponsible kids.

once she had reasonable ground to believe that the deal was indeed tainted, she ordered its cancellation. what is so irregular or anomalous about that?

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