A throne of bayonets
March 2, 2008 by mlq3
Filed under Daily Dose
Gathering at AIM: Randy and Karina David; Ang Kapatiran’s Nandy Pacheco
Doreen Yu and friend; CEAP with seminarians at vanguard begin march to Ayala
Students and seminarians on CEAP march
CEAP march
CEAP march; construction workers watch and cheer
Our flag waves in solidarity; Assumption students get roar of approval from all present
Benilde students arrive (La Salle Cavite students were stopped by PNP and only arrived very late)
Our march; the moment we converged with student groups
walking onwards; DLSU students forming ranks
Assumption students in force; this sign was a crowd pleaser
people converging; the white ponytailed man is Conrado de Quiros
Mr. Go of NMFREL with Cuisia and del Rosario of MBC; Mayor Robredo of Naga City
MBC delegation; people converging
SGV Chairman David Balangue; office workers peering from their windows
Prayer part of rally begins
Prayer part of rally ends with green balloons
Looking towards Roxas Triangle, looking towards the Ritz
Students from PUP; ADMU contingent
Peter Parker’s rap
More photos can be found in Tonyocruz.com and in Ceci’s Corner, and in The Black Bass, in The Macster, in Pilipinas Kong Mahal, in andrea’s corner and reylags, in Senor Enrique, in Felmar’s Missionary Journey, in Nel’s Site, and Site de Qiqo! and in the silent assassin and in (Mis)adventures and in Happenstance Tomfoolery and in l\l^l)i^’s siTe as well as in phantom and Out in the Open, and in Non-Operational Station! and in jillpadz and the message boards, Pinoy Photography and Dxyum Website (and don’t miss Market Manila’s photo essay on street food at the rally).
Video, too, over at Cyberbaguioboy, and Tingog.com. See the students gathering and marching; and then see the loyalist rally videos here and here.
More on the rally: The mystery is why loyalists like A Simple Life claim the interweb has been deafeningly silent on last Friday’s Makati rally (as for the carping by loyalists, for example The J Factor, see ederic@cyberspace debunks them all). Aside from news accounts such as that of The Daily PCIJ (see Air space above Makati rally declared no-fly zone and also Masses, protests held in towns and cities nationwide Masses, protests held in towns and cities nationwide ) there are first-hand accounts, see Touched by An Angel (who has many links to other posts, too) and Tu devvais essayer, who was happy to make a stand; Secondlady’s Weblog was heartened by the event, too (hat tip: The Manila Blog Times), and Gatsulat and pinoy bochong, who was proud to be there; just as it was inspiring to see Assumptionists like drunk on love.. there, too, as well as kamasupra; while in a twisted little wish accompanied a student journalist friend. Snippet of dialogue overheard by Hoy Pinoy! too. See the account by The Philippine Experience. The dark underside of cramming so many people into the business district is recounted by Maniacal Menace. But for me, the best reflection and eyewitness account of all is over at Writer’s Block:
…I walked, and turned several directions, till I found myself, with other spectators, facing the march itself.
Let me describe what it was like: there were two marches–one was being taken to the streets by the activists, the youth, the Church, and other active members of the rally; the other one was on the sides, where the spectators eagerly and unconsciously followed the motion of the demonstration, taking pictures with their cellphones and climbing the railings or going the long way round. This, actually, is what is happening in our country now. There is the main demonstration, waged by the most militant groups, in resistance since Day One of Arroyo’s reign, and then there is the muted insurgency within the homes, in the schools, and even in government institutions, where those watching TV or reading newspapers mutter in rage over the new series of offenses by the government. They’re too afraid to take part in the actual march, but they share the same rage.
I belonged to the second batch. I tracked the march, through the railings, round the long route, until I found myself in the middle of an AnakBayan section of the rally. I made my way through the crowd, was sheltered by the Ateneans, and moving with the crowd made my way almost to the front. The rally itself was a half-rally, half-concert, and it was really heartening to see that the youth have made a niche in these demonstrations, and put their own touch to it. Between the one-liner or one-minute-lines of the main EDSA figures–Cory, Oscar Cruz, and even Estrada–were the rap/jazz/rock/folk performances of various groups.
I looked around, and the first thing I thought was: it’s not enough. I was animated at first, but immediately afterwards I thought that it wasn’t enough. The news soon trickled in: the police had tried to block several sectors of the rally–from Northern and Southern Luzon, and across the streets and boulevards–to reduce the numbers. The chopper, which appeared and maintained itself for a few minutes in the air around us, disappeared–apparently, ABS-CBN was blocked off from that section of the rally. And Lozada himself admitted that, even as he spoke, the government had resorted to death threats and attacks on his character. “Can you forgive me of these failures?†he asked the crowd, ever so conscious of his role. The crowd responded with a resounding yes. Sure, he may be a weak man, or no Saint. But the weakness of the character of a messenger does not, and cannot, diminish the character of the message. And then, I knew, in the middle of the rally, what we needed.
As a people, we have long harbored a grudge against Czarina Arroyo. In the government sectors, the Church, the masa, the youth, and even in the military and police, people have been wishing and praying for the end of her reign. In the Blogosphere, everyone is in a fit of rage over Czarina Arroyo’s latest failings–the ZTE, the Spratlys betrayal (she is courting China so badly). But not everyone agrees that she can be overthrown, that the People Power still has power. After all, the Czarina has survived a “masa†rebellion, two military coups, a series of violent demonstrations, multiple impeachment attempts, conspiracies within her ranks, and an election. She got away clean. How could this time be any different?
This is my answer to you. Three points. First, we are easily swept away with the blind ideal of clear and obvious results. We want the demonstrations to immediately force her to resign, as we did before in Marcos’ time, and in Erap’s time. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Not every autocrat is a good man. Marcos answered the First Quarter Storm with Martial Law, and the 1983 mass unrest with snap elections, which he hoped would stem the brewing rebellion. And, in the midst of People Power itself, his supporters tried to knock off the uprising, through separate violent encounters, culminating in a march by the military to EDSA itself. The international community stepped in, pressured Marcos to not lay a hand on these people…
Revolutions are not won by one or two large demonstrations; that was the mistake of the January Uprising (EDSA Dos). We forgot that before 1986, there was a 1983 Movement that eventually snowballed. The military rising was an accidental element. We tend to ignore that. Yes, revolutions are won by the acquiescence of the rulers, but even hardline autocrats also eventually cave to pressure. In that sense, I will admit that Nicholas II believed himself an autocrat who would resist the “heresies†of the liberals and the anarchists, and had no love for the liberal ways; but he eventually formed the Duma to appease growing unrest in Czarist Russia, as Marcos held a snap election to appease the growing unrest here… Revolutions are won, generally, by a sustained rebellion, in one form or another. It might have been working silently, as in the Civil Rights Movement in America in the 1960s or the Industrial Advancement in Europe in the 19th century, but it was sustained… We have to suffer, if we are to win.
Second, why do we keep forgetting that our continued resistance is actually working? No, Gloria’s still there, but we have made inroads. If Trillanes and the Magdalo, inspired by the resistance of the people, did not take to the hotel in Oakwood, would we have been warned of the plot to use the bombing in Davao as pretext for Martial Law? If we had not marched in 2005 amidst the Garcillano scandal, would we have inspired the members of the Supreme Court to trash the calls for “Constitutional Reform†by Arroyo elements? Would we have pressured Arroyo to distance herself from De Venecia when he called for the same “Constitutional Reform?†Would we have inspired elements of Arroyo’s government, as Manuel L. Quezon III relates, to thwart the continued attempts of Arroyo to declare Martial Law, in 2005 and in the overt State of Emergency of 2006? We did not overthrow her in that year, or the other year, or even these first few months, but we certainly brought her enemies to the Senate seats almost unopposed in the 2007 elections. We even shook her political base in the local government and in Congress, as was evidenced by Among Ed.
Are those not results? Even at this very moment, EDSA continues to win the institutions of society, and government. Magdalo was an indication. So is the militancy of Oscar Cruz and Panlilio. The students amassing in the streets in a yearly basis and the impeachments are an indication. The sight of taxi drivers, jeepney drivers, and common vendors watching the Congressional hearings on Garci, and the Senate hearings on ZTE, is well an indication. Yes, some elements of government are well unfazed. Our supposed weapon against future Marcoses, COMELEC, has been compromised. They may be, and probably will be lost. Then again, this is the sad truth, when we “prune†the tree that is our nation, of the rot. It is always painful. We are shamed that many of our elders, these so-called vanguards for the new generation, are corrupting our future, justifying that this is for our own sake. Let us turn to them now, shame them, and reject their offers to be the leaders of their order. Let us shame them, and make a better order, replanting in our children’s minds the EDSA that they forgot. Let us replant in all of us the EDSA that men like Ramos, the Fallen Senators, and the “barons†of Congress and the provinces have conveniently neglected and forgotten.
Third. Time and again, we say that one or another element of society will abandon the other’s uprising. We feel betrayed. We watched with bated breath, and disappointment as the Trillanes revolt was snuffed out, in 2003, then in 2007. We watched, in frustrated anger, as the CBCP rejected calls for a new EDSA, and instead asked for calls of overthrow through legitimate instruments. We took to the streets, to hotels, and to churches, and we raised our hands in victory, and went home. And always, it was the same–in EDSA, EDSA Dos, EDSA Tres, ad infinitum.
My friends, there is a scientific principle that goes like this: “An object that is at rest, stays at rest.†If we refuse to resist, we will condition our bodies to willingly surrender, however rough the violence or however much the abuse reaches a crescendo. At the very least, and fortunately, we are not in a state of rest. We are in a painful transition between rest and motion… What we do not have is inertia; we had momentum, but we did not sustain it.
Our demonstrations, our protests–our motion in general was focused on anger. This is a volatile, passionate, but scattered emotion. It forms the most fiery basis for rebellions; but it is also easily killed. Lozada, in his speech, warned that “we must not let this demonstration be impelled by anger; when the anger dies, we go home. We must be impelled by a need to serve, and to watch over the excesses of the government.†In short, we must be impelled by our obligations, and not by our tempers.
Our momentum was made and sustained by anger. And so we easily got distracted by other things: the ZTE controversy, the Garci Scandal, Martial Law fears, Cha-Cha, the bombings in Ayala and Batasan. The government knows this–why else do you think they move the media from one headline to another, as if we were living a teleserye? Doubtless our target was indirectly the same, but our energies were spent on the symptoms, rather than the disease itself: a system of government that makes Estradas, Arroyos, and Marcoses possible. We can at least learn.
I am not naïve enough to say that demonstrations will assure Arroyo’s overthrow. It did not force Suharto or Thaksin out. The 1983 rising did not pressure Marcos to resign. But the sustained rebellion had an effect: the two autocrats of Indonesia and Thailand were forced out by the military under the pressure of continued civil disorders. Marcos was forced to hold snap elections when the mounting pressure of the Aquino assassination added to the weight that the International Community brought down on him. No, no, no, Arroyo will not listen, as Pharaoh did not listen to Moses, but we will howl nevertheless. In the two years she remains in power, we will howl her in the streets, howl her in the courts, and howl her out of office. We will howl like mad, and make all of government tremble with fear. We may not have the power to forcibly take her out, but we have the power to pressure the elements of her government to keep her from remaining one day more. If we sustain our EDSA movement, we can be vigilant enough to take hold of her that one last day and try her for crimes against the nation. If we sustain our EDSA movement, we can kill the Arroyo government by electing new, idealistic blood to the Senate, and the House of Representatives (fingers crossed!) and other elements of government…
…We have ignored the EDSA Movement too long. Beyond the masa dispersals, the high profile exposes and uprisings, and the media coverage, the weight was carried by the priests, the journalists, and student activists. That is why they are killed. To the critics who say that we have to go through legal means, I say this: The EDSA Rebellion is seeking her overthrow both legally and extra-legally. Legally through the Ombudsman, the Courts, and the impeachment complaints. Extra-legally through the streets, and maybe through the military revolts. Don’t those cretins dare say that this is political adventurism in disregard of law, for EDSA works in the streets and in the courts. Men of God are dying to fight for the freedoms these cretins are too delinquent, afraid, or lethargic to take up. Mahiya naman sila…
…Inertia, inertia, inertia. I can’t stress this fully enough. We must discipline ourselves to continue to resist, long after the rallies have dwindled and the passion of the latest headlines have died down. We must head to the rallies–for it helps; at the sight of farmers and workers who have marched and labored their way to the big cities, so that their voices can be heard and be united with the students’, we are given a perspective that is not readily seen on a couch watching the latest news unfold on television. Beyond our short attention spans, and even when the demonstrations dwindle to mere hundreds, still we must keep the rebellion in motion. For only by standing in opposition can we not acquiesce to the continued erosion of our nation. To those who are still uncertain, a final line from Our Lord Himself: “if you blow neither hot nor cold I will vomit you from my mouth.â€
If you blow neither hot nor cold, the nation will vomit you out.
The ever-wise Scriptorium ponders this entry, too. Svelte Rogue Reborn explains why the blogger attends rallies. What rallies represent is tackled by muse, memories and musings. And the aftermath is recounted by abashet. A reflection is offered up by Chronicles of the Daily Grind.
Read in Abraham Domingo Photography how LaSallians from Cavite were prevented from attending the rally by the police. This reminds me of something I heard someone say at a forum a year or two ago: please rally in Metro Manila, the person said, because in our province we cannot gather at the plaza because the warlords and police keep an eye on us and unlike in Metro Manila, no one will dare raise a fuss if we are intimidated or even disappear. A very valid point, and you only have to go down the list of warlords firmly allied with the administration to understand. Splice and Dice comments on the President’s seeking shelter in Camp Crame.
The Warrior Lawyer and Torn & Frayed have thoughtful analyses of the rally, while The View from Here continues to have reservations about rallies. Demosthenes’ Game lists his reservations about both sides. Ang Kape Ni LaTtEX is holding fire until 2010 leaves no room for debate (on whether the President intends to stay or not; personally, to me this will, indeed, be the ultimate tipping point). Iloilo City Boy won’t be satisfied with regime change. Simply Gemini is hostile to rallies, as is a_badly_drawn_boy .
As for the analysts, Mon Casiple in his blog writes,
The rallies are enough to shake the foundations of the House of the Arroyos. They cannot–on their own–bring it down, at least not yet. The more immediate impact would be on the Cabinet, the ruling coalition, and on the military and police support legs of the regime. The people in these institutions will come under intense pressures in the days to come to at least fall back in their defense of the Arroyos and, more likely, start negotiations on transition scenarios. The question of loyalties has now come to the fore…
There is already a vote for regime change among the people, particularly among those in the middle classes and the grassroots. The only agenda left on the political table is who will deliver the bacon first. There are acute maneuverings within and outside the ruling coalition and among the political elite to do so. A major tug-of-war will revolve around Vice-President Noli de Castro, the constitutional heir-apparent.
People power here cannot yet assert its own agenda–it is in fact still evolving its own beyond the call for truth and resignation or ouster. If the political elite fails to resolve the political crisis soon, this people power–shown in Makati–may surely come again with a definite program, definite leaders, and a definite strategy. If it does so, and assuming a more organized and stronger presence, it could very well overwhelm the various elite schemes and dictate the terms of regime change.
Today’s Inquirer editorial takes a look at last Friday’s rally, and says the enduring image it portrayed was of young students joining the fray, and that the President’s perched on A throne of bayonets. The editorial brings up a genuine issue concerning broken agreements. See Organizers regret Aquino, Estrada’s presence at rally. Blogger New Philippine Revolution appeals to the movement I belong to, not to push the issue, but the issue’s strongly felt by many. There will be fallout from Jejomar Binay’s decision to invite two former Presidents, Aquino and Estrada, on stage when many participating groups had opposed having politicians speak at all. The fallout was immediate: as j9, a student, recounts, after Estrada appeared on stage, La Salle pulled out of the rall at 6 pm. Other schools left, too, while others stayed. Hopefully, these issues will be threshed out in post-mortem meetings on the conduct of the rally. If political groups can moderate their greed, a stronger unity can be created. Personally, my view is former President Estrada is a free man precisely because of the administration; his drawing power has been enhanced by the Palace. What I object to, strongly, are the Macedas, the Tatads, etc. You cannot fight hakot with more hakot.
Meanwhile, Sylvia Mayuga entered the Twilight Zone: see Truth, Half-truth and Lie. And she has the veteran newshen’s eye for the telling detail:
By now, memories of “Hello, Garci?†whispered two words: “Rembrandt Hotel.†In the first heat of that scandal in 2005, a Palace source told me that Rembrandt Hotel was where Gloria Arroyo’s cabalen, KAMPI party leader and soon-to-be DILG secretary Ronaldo Puno (past master of dirty tricks operations in four presidencies, a fellow Atenean volunteered back then) was directing government “media management†operations. In 2008 Rembrandt Hotel was where the police team that picked up Jun Lozada at the airport suggested they bring him from Outback Restaurant.
This sort of weird experience is happening more and more, and let me just say this. I respect those who continue to have misgivings, who express irritation and even alienation with those who’ve decided to make a stand; one can only hope further discussion and dialogue will clarify matters for everyone. But I really have to wonder at some, not all, of those who criticize the critics of the President, while pretending not to be loyalists. But some undeniably are, but think that if they deny it, people will believe it. Why be ashamed of your convictions?
Two columnists said it best. From former Chief Justice Panganiban:
In the meantime, what should the citizens do? I say, rage on! Rage for truth! Press on with the demos. Make them more massive. Intensify the media blitz. Sharpen the Senate investigations. Hasten the Supreme Court decision that, I believe, would unshackle Romulo Neri. Fill our churches during masses for truth and justice. Pray with our bishops, priests and nuns until “communal action” shall lead us to a new type of people power that would liberate us from corruption and restore integrity.
Surely, when the people started protesting the Marcos dictatorship, few could have anticipated that those heady days would eventually lead to a peaceful change in the presidency, a triumph of truth and a victory for democracy. Umabot tayo noon, aabot din tayo ngayon! (We got there then, we’ll get there now!).
And read Patricia Evangelista’s eloquent The Center cannot hold. Seems so long ago when I wrote The Center must hold. As for the loyalists, the 2010 Movement has a manifesto of sorts, courtesy of Solita Monsod (my reply, in a comment in the previous entry).
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A recent Inquirer editorial pointed out that the Palace is tripping up on one of its key messages to keep loyalists pumped up: “bring it to court!” But when someone did, well, read on:
Bring it to court, her spokespersons and her allies in Congress and in the local governments as well her apologists chime in. It is only there that the “real†truth can be brought out.
The groups Kilosbayan and Bantay Katarungan, led by former Senate president Jovito Salonga, have accepted the dare. Last Wednesday, they filed plunder and graft charges against Ms Arroyo before the Office of the Ombudsman. They know they can’t secure a conviction between now and 2010, when she leaves offices and sheds her immunity. But Salonga said there is nothing in our statutes that prevents the Ombudsman from investigating their complaint now…
And what does Malacañang say? That’s harassment, Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Lorelei Fajardo protested. Being a “staunch constitutionalist,†Salonga “should have waited for the Senate to end its investigation before filing any complaints … [E]veryone is jumping on the bandwagon of reckless judicial action against the President,†Fajardo said.
Is Malacañang getting confused, or is it trying to confuse the public? Arroyo administration officials and their allies have been demanding that the Senate terminate its investigation pronto. Now, Fajardo is saying it should be allowed to finish its investigation first before anybody files charges…
For all their avowals of interest in ferreting out the truth behind the ZTE-NBN deal, administration officials know there is no better way to keep the damaging details sealed than to take the issue out of the Senate and into the prosecution service. In the Department of Justice they can count on Secretary Raul Gonzalez to protect the President and her people at all costs. In the Office of the Ombudsman, Gutierrez can be relied upon to either dismiss any charges quickly, such as those against former Commission on Elections chair Benjamin Abalos and others involved in the P1.3-billion poll automation scandal, or to sit on them until hell freezes over, like what happened to the P728-million fertilizer scam.
In fact, cases have been filed against some of those involved in the ZTE-NBN deal, some as early as five months ago, but it was only last month that Gutierrez put together an investigating panel to look into those charges. And its timing created suspicions that the investigation was intended to keep some people from testifying in the Senate. A more recent case filed by Sen. Jamby Madrigal against airport and police officials who had a hand in Rodolfo Lozada’s abduction upon his arrival from Hong Kong has actually been cited by the accused as their reason for defying a Senate summons for them to continue testifying.
And to those demanding that the President lead the way by revoking her Executive Order 464 and Memorandum Circular 108, think again. The Business Mirror editorial last Friday, A mushroom shed, points out that the administration is focusing its energies on further restricting information:
For all the reputation of its staff for technical competence and integrity, outsiders now seem willing to believe any wild story about it because they do not get the right and timely information from the horse’s mouth. Why? Simply because that horse has been gagged, with the rest of the bureaucracy, by Executive Order 464 that prohibits officials from cooperating with congressional inquiries in ways far beyond the contemplation of executive privilege.
Now comes the report that, even as bishops have strongly urged President Arroyo to lift EO 464, Neda’s middle-level officers and technical staff are in a quandary because of a planned internal order that exacerbates the effect of EO 464.
The agency, according to this paper’s Neda reporter, is set to draft “guidelines for the dissemination of project information to the public.â€
The decision to limit information coming out of the agency is said to have been inspired by EO 464 and Memorandum Circular 108, or the “Guidelines on Appearances of Department Heads and Other Officials of the Executive Department Before Congress,†and the pending court case filed by the Senate of the Philippines against the agency over the nonsubmission of project documents, such as the national broadband network that would have been done by Chinese firm ZTE Co. under a Chinese state-funded loan.
According to our report in this issue, reliable sources revealed that while EO 464 and MC 108 do not specifically state that members of the media are included in the coverage, Neda is taking a more conservative stance by not divulging any information on any project to any individual or entity.
Particularly, sources said, information that might be regarded as subjudice, pertaining to the case filed by the Senate which was recently remanded to a lower court by the Supreme Court.
In case of requests for documents not covered under the provisions set by EO 464 and MC 108, Neda, under the new guidelines being prepared by agency lawyers, will first seek the approval of the President. The justification: the Neda Board, the highest governing body of the agency, is chaired by the President.
What does this mean to the press, which is not covered by EO 464 and MC 108? It means they can have access only to official press statements and other similar documents deemed safe for distribution to the media or the public, in general.
The planned new policy is a throwback to the martial-law period. After 1986, documents or project-evaluation reports could be directly obtained from the Neda director general or any ranking official or from the specific staff or department concerned.
While EO 464 requires prior presidential approval for the appearance of officials in Congress, MC 108 covers the nondisclosure of information contained in conversations, closed-door meetings and information between inter-government agencies, among other things.
These two, along with the planned guidelines by Neda’s legal staff curbing media access to all project documents, are certainly bound to keep the public in the mushroom shed for much longer.
Ironically, there was talk on Thursday that Malacañang will try to deflate the political air generated by the much-anticipated February 29 protest rally in Makati City by announcing a relaxation or lifting of EO 464.
If the public were to get its signals from Neda, however, the mood in the Executive is still not toward more transparency and accountability, but more nondisclosure.
And so to those who insist, “where is your evidence?” Here’s additional evidence that the Palace’s only interest is to keep that evidence under wraps.
As Randy David said in his Saturday column,
It is true—politics is not exactly the best site to look for the truth. But then, neither is the justice system a privileged site for finding the truth. Indeed, a refrain we often hear from lawyers is that not all truths are admissible in court. It is clever for Malacañang to argue that the proper resolution of the ZTE-NBN controversy rests exclusively with the courts. Treating it as a purely legal matter is a way of suppressing the many other faces of truth.
What is at stake here is not just the legality or illegality of a contract. More than this, what is at stake is the power of citizens to hold their leaders accountable for decisions that are made in their name. Have these leaders been transparent and faithful to their oath of office? Or have they misused the powers and prerogatives entrusted to them? Such questions are decided not in court or in church but in the public sphere of politics, not by judges or prelates, but by a nation’s citizens.
We should wait for the next elections then, they tell us. Under normal circumstances, we should indeed. But if the electoral mechanism itself has been rigged and brazenly abused by the present leadership, shouldn’t the first step be to repair this vital mechanism of democracy and restore its legitimacy? This brings us to the key question: Do we still believe this is possible under Ms Arroyo? The truth has caught up with us. It is time to face it.
And meanwhile? Undermined institutions will, indeed, continue as such, as blog@AWBHoldings.com explains.
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And the movement for people to operate within their circles of influence continues. See the petition at Ateneans Act.
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tonio on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 1:44 pm
If there was one thing the rally did, it made clear the sentiments of the people who went, and the people who were witnesses. According the the posts above I was a member of the second group. I had to go to my alma mater to do some research for work and was so caught up in my reading that by the time I got out of the library people were already gearing up to walk out onto the street.
As I’ve said before, I am no fan of getting into “people power” in the traditional sense. Having witnessed the betrayal of EDSA2, I did not want a repeat under yet another power hungry trapo bastard.
But I do harbour the hope that somewhere in this sea of people will be enough thoughtful souls who will hope not merely for the ouster of a President, but for the institutions of this country to finally work for the good of all Filipinos.
And so I went, with my fellow AIMers, both past and present, but confined myself to the sidelines. I got into a few random conversations with younger people who had me convinced that what we have for the most part, is a youth that has learned from the lessons of their kuyas and ates who got involved in EDSA2.
The Cory spoke up.
And I went to McDonald’s Paseo to get a drink.
And made my way home.
Sheesh.
Danielle on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 1:46 pm
I was pleasantly surprised to read the comments of Panganiban…I don’t think GMA’s back is to the wall but comments coming from a former Supreme Court Chief Justice must give GMA pause.
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 2:33 pm
Writers block:
Told you, stop being a self-conscious rallyist. Just go when you need to go. Later on when Gloria is unseated, we can nitpick on the numbers that booted her out. I reckon it will be less than Edsa Dos.
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 2:37 pm
I mean about writers block’s post, not TO writers block himself.
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 2:43 pm
as i already mentioned in my last comments in the previous thread. it was regretable that there were some opportunista individuals during the makati rally but most of those who showed were there because they are outraged and angry at the arroyo administration.
the youth showed up in great numbers from the most conservative school to the most liberals. this only shows that the outrage people are feeling right now is not just isolated within a certain class of society. very reminiscint of the marcos yrs. at the height of mass rallies eventually leading to edsa I. ang mga kabataan ang pag-asa ng bayan! it is great to know that the youth can’t be fooled be the corrupt propaganda! philippines will have bright future!
this is not the end this is just a start of something bigger. let us keep the pressure on. the fact that gma holed up in camp crame shows that she was feeling the heat and was scared!
gma and her minions keep on harping on how the economy is doing great and claiming credit for it. let us do a test to prove their claim. maybe the OFWs and other overseas based workers should stop sending money to their families for at least a month and we’ll see what is the effect on our economy! philippine economy is largely dependent on the money sent from overseas, from the blood, sweat and tears of our OWFs, and the gall of arroyo to claim credit.
if the economy is really doing great why then the mass exodus of the filipinos to keep their families alive? why are our top brains (doctors, engineers among other) take up nursing or becomes care givers so they can find immediate job abroad?
it is like saying that marcos did great for our economy during his reign because he built roads, PICC and other extravagant infrastructures. our present economy is thriving not because of arroyo, it is thriving inspite of arroyo. imagine what our economy would be without the massive kickbacks and corruption?
it is embarassing enough that vietnam is poised to overtake us, if not already have!
i just got back from church and the gospel is very reflective of our present situation. it is about a man blind at birth where Jesus put dirt on his eyes and told the blind man to go home and wash it off. after following Jesus’ command the blind man was able to see. people who refused to believe arroyo is evil represents the blind man and they need to wash the dirt off their eyes to see the evil that arroyo is!
the fact that everyone in arroyo’s administration is trying to make a liar out of one single person that is mr.lozada shows us how powerful TRUTH is! don’t tell me they are doing these to protect ben abalos…who is leaving the country to save is own skin! if he is allowed to leave the country before he is made accountable for all the evil that he has committed against the entire nation will be a travesty. senate should issue a hold departure order!
The Equalizer on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 2:44 pm
IS NOLI DE CASTRO AN EFFECTIVE “FIREWALL” FOR GLORIA ARROYO?
The Results To-date of the EQ POLL on:
“IN YOUR OPINION,IF GLORIA RESIGNS BEFORE 2010,ARE YOU WILING TO LET NOLI DE CASTRO SUCCEED AS PRESIDENT?”
YES!: 26%
NO!:26%
It’s like choosing between devil and the deep blue sea!:38%
No comment na lang! :8%
Votes so far:109 votes
The EQ Poll suggests that Noli De Castro is indeed an effective FIREWALL for Gloria Arroyo!
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 2:49 pm
Ateneansact:
“Where fraternal conscientization and correction in true Ignatian-Jesuit tradition should have “washed away – not moderated – the spirit of greed†in the
hearts of these “vulture-ized†members of the “eagles’
nest,†we, their brothers and sisters, can no longer
observe at the sidelines. It is time for us to take
action.”
Another Krip Yuson?
vic on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:13 pm
As Randy David noted that not all Truth Can Not be uncovered by the Justice System as some truth are not even acceptable as evidence, but the Accountability of the Sitting President is beyond dispute. She should answer and clear up all allegations hurled toward her or set up a process to which an impartial (not Raul Gonzalez) and independent body to do it for Her.
She might even be surprised of the Results..
Will on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:32 pm
BrianB:
sorry, couldn’t help it. first-time experience, you know.
there’s still a lot of fear out there of the soldiers and the police, and people trying to undermine the efforts. You just don’t know how much vigilance you give; too much and it would be mistaken for politicizing–too little and it’s a fad.
yeah, i agree. the point is not the numbers, but the going. the point is not the people, but the system.
noid on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:36 pm
Just want to share a video I took during the Interfaith rally. I move that this song be made the official anthem of this new People Power movement
http://youtube.com/watch?v=emBpF9Uxj4Q . Please tell us if you know the exact name of the song and/or the name of the performers. Sung at the tailend of the rally. 
mlq3 on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:53 pm
noid, i dunno. but the slogan “alis dyan” has historical resonance. it was the slogan during the campaign when gma’s father, president macapagal, was defeated in 1965.
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:53 pm
will,
I apologize for the confusion. I did not direct the comment to you but to other people here who prefer to count heads, like Manolo (sorry). There was an argument about numbers during the evening. I counted only 2,000 people, and that got me some flak.
Your piece was an amazingly vivid account of the event and what you felt about it. I echo Manolo’s thanks.
mlq3 on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:56 pm
brian, im not obsessed with attendance, i was just frankly puzzled over your estimate.
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 3:59 pm
Will, another thing.
What you’ve written, I feel, is very important. It’s a treatise for this specific time in our history. Really, I say this not just as another writer but as a fellow Filipino who believes this country can do better.
benign0 on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:04 pm
Dudes, there won’t BE a next time.
The only “next time” there is is the 2010 elections.
Obviously some people can’t HANDLE that SIMPLE truth.
noid on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:06 pm
wow manolo, didn’t know that. that would even be more appropriate hehe. history repeating itself
BrianB on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:14 pm
Manolo, what can I say.
What I’ve been waiting for really is for some wise man or priest or leader (if a real one exists) to tell Filipinos to trust their hearts.
The column of Evangelista reminds us of the older Joker in contrast with the newer one. If Joker has proven to be an untrustworthy guide, then who can we trust but ourselves. Our upbringing, our principles passed to us by our parents, our religion, even our education. During times when institutions are compromised, who do we turn to but ourselves. I suppose those who call for grass roots change (and I’m not one of them) will get what they want: Filipinos as individuals taking it upon themselves to rebuild the country, not brick by brick but rebuild by saving one soul and then another from corrupting forces.
The Ca t on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:26 pm
Amen to that.
And was it before Cory’s speech when the men of cloth walked out because the agreement was to keep the politicians out?
magdiwang on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:32 pm
But where is the truth? We are desperately begging for an answer. Mr Randy David did not certainly address where to find it and he actually suggest not to seek it.
Who decides the truth? Certainly not only the opposition but all the citizens of our country.
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:46 pm
amen magdiwang! solita monsod’s piece addresses the crisis in the point of view of a political economist. although she’s more an economist than political scientist. she enumerated the perceived costs and benefits of ousting or letting GMA stay. in a realist approach, we could discern this in its utilitarian sense, i.e. “greater good for the greatest number” or “the lesser evil for the least number.” just a thought.
benign0 on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 4:57 pm
“Who decides the truth? Certainly not only the opposition but all the citizens of our country”
The answer to that is not a “who” but a “what”.
It is PROCESSES that facilitate the emergence of the Truth in a truly modern society. The reason we are so addicted to pointless personality and partisan speculations and the pontifications of the latest “hero” is because our processes are so primitive as to be prone to wanton manipulation by people.
nash on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:08 pm
How was it during Edsa 2? Did erap also ask the pnp to blockade the roads so that people cannot join the rallies? Did he also declare areas no-fly zones?
rego on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:08 pm
Solita Monsod seem to me the most objective columnist in the country today. Once again i totally agree with what she wrote.
And who say Gloria did not accomplishe anything in her term.
nash on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:16 pm
Is it possible that the Joker is getting senile?
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:25 pm
dude do you really believe in your mind and heart that there will be a PRESIDENTIAL election comes 2010?
election maybe yes but presidential election is very doubtful. once the arroyo regime weathers this storm because of the apathy of good and decent filipino people, who’s gonna stop arroyo and her lapdogs in the congress from shoving down our collective throats the change of presidential to a parliamentary form of government through a charter change?
we should be afraid that neri did not refute lozada’s claim that he called gma evil. the fact that neri did flatly denied lozada’s claim but lamely answered the media that he did not recall doing so.
gma is worse than marcos! and we thought marcos was scary!
she is cannot be blamed for the lack of trying, she tried declaring martial law which supreme court struck down. she’s using e.o. 464 to keep the truth from coming out after claiming she is for the truth and again was rebuked by the supreme court. she commended palparan who is well know for his ruthless tactics against the so called leftist or known supporter of the left. and the famous “hello garci tapes”. blocked impeachments from proceeding with the help of her lapdogs in congress. tried to have lozada disappeared.
this is just a short list of grevious sins against the filipino nation. and pardon us here if we feel violated and outraged! i honestly cannot understand for what reasons people still think gma is right for the philippines and is doing a good job to earn her keep in malacanang.
let us wait for 2010. let me put it this way, if i robbed your house, raped your mom and killed your family members!
and there are witnesses to this crime, will you still say to wait for cops to determine the truth knowing the cops are under the my payrol? this is not a too far of a comparison to what is happening to us right now. i bet my last piso that you will be as outraged as most of the filipinos right now. you will demand for my head right too!
dudes and dudettes let us not be blind and open our eyes because the truth is staring us in our eyes the whole time.
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:27 pm
sorry…neri DID NOT flatly deny lozada’s claim.
vic on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 5:35 pm
nash asked: Is it possible that the Joker is getting senile?
Nah, don’t think so, it’s just that he stayed in the Government for so long, he outlast his relevance..just like everything, even us posters here, but the difference is our relevance or irrelavance won’t result in any consequence to the country similar to that of the Joker’s…
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 6:09 pm
Mon Casiple: “People power here cannot yet assert its own agenda–it is in fact still evolving its own beyond the call for truth and resignation or ouster. If the political elite fails to resolve the political crisis soon, this people power–shown in Makati–may surely come again with a definite program, definite leaders, and a definite strategy.”
So long as politicians (Erap, Maceda, ans even Cory) and old recycled civil society (e.g. COPA’s Pastor Saycon of FVR’s Alabang strategy group) people will be turned off.
Do symbols still matter to get the crowds? Maybe, maybe not. The cause should be able to stand on its own. I agree with Madonna, the organizers should have asked a student to speak on why he/she was there, not Erap or Cory.
Call for truth, resignation, or ouster. Better decide quickly. Its almost 2010.
Jon Limjap on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 6:22 pm
Us. It will be our duty to stop her from doing precisely that. The day that such charter change starts getting railroaded into law, I’ll be there in the streets with you.
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 6:33 pm
and i’m no believer of centralized staging ala 1986, specially under the auspices of a trapo like Binay. Schools have been staging own kind of protests – UP, UST, Ateneo, PUP, etc. the dynamics are different this time.
Will on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 6:48 pm
BrianB:
thnx for the compliment. but my contention does remain valid. our government lambasts us for being too political, when we get violent, or just riding on a fad when we pray for peace, we get to start thinking when the hell they will actually listen?
we can’t just topple the symbol, but the system. even if gloria goes, she can still be immune as suharto was because of the many allies she has in the government. we have to overhaul that too.
thaksin’s trial is actually the lithmus test for beyond 2010. if he can get convicted, even with the elements of law in his favor, then it can happen here.
jackcast:
the students were there. in fact, cory and erap and cruz delivered short statements, before giving the stage to the youth. there were leaders of the “militant schools alliance” or something.
this isn’t about truth, or resignation, or even just plain ouster. we have the truth out there. she won’t resign, just like suharto or thaksin, before they were unceremoniously taken out. we can’t oust them, and by them i mean gloria and her cabal. it’s a goddamn dynasty she’s setting up… the same that all around SE asia we are having.
we have to overhaul government, as to make sure that there would be no more danger of monarchies again.
that’s a little broad, i know, but we can start small.
mang_isko on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 7:02 pm
mlq3, parang hindi maganda ang blogsite mo ngayon. binago mo ba ito.
parang centered ang format. nakakalulang tingnan.
observation lang ito.
pwede mo bang ibalik sa dati?
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 7:03 pm
@will
i didn’t say the students were not there in Feb 29. my context was: simultaneous, loud protests in each school/university where the critical mass is at home
mang_isko on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 7:04 pm
concern lang.
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 7:12 pm
@will
that is if the priests and nuns running your schools will allow it. i’m logging as i may be charged with teaching you protest 101.
The Ca t on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 8:45 pm
Why are they still seeking the truth and when they are convinced the media-made hero Lozada is saying the truth ?
The handlers of Lozada are making him campus concert king. Panay ang kanta sa mga iskwela.
What a publicity blitz can do indeed but it failed to rouse patriotism to the majority.
The Ca t on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 8:51 pm
So what are you going to do?
Even the interfaith rally failed to unite the different organizations. They had their own agenda to promote in the rally. Many walked away to catch their rides going home. Anyway, they will hear the same tirades over the broadcast media and can read in the newspapers online or hard copies.
Tingnan mga photoop nila. Kaniya-kaniyang grupo. Kaniya-kaniyang banner.
It
VP Bus Dev on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 9:45 pm
VP Bus Dev on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 9:54 pm
The interfaith-rally got hijacked. A few people were had!!!
Organizers regret Aquino, Estrada’s presence at rally
By Beverly T. Natividad
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 18:47:00 03/01/2008
MANILA, Philippines — As far as some of the organizers of Friday’s interfaith rally are concerned, former Presidents Corazon Aquino and Joseph Estrada should not have gone up the stage to maintain the rally’s focus on prayer instead of on political personalities.
Caloocan Bishop Deogracias Iñiguez, who was earlier reported to have “walked out†of the rally when Estrada showed up on stage, clarified that he left with the other religious leaders onstage to give way to the second half of the program and not because of Estrada.
…
“It was not because of Estrada per se, but because of the nature of the speaker,†he said in an interview, referring to the fact that the organizers of the interfaith rally had earlier agreed that no politicians will be allowed to speak onstage.
Monsignor Gerry Santos, national capital region director of the Catholic Educational Association of the Philippines (CEAP-NCR), expressed strong disappointment over the incident.
“I did not like that. They should have followed what was agreed upon. The other organizers should explain to us what happened,†Santos told the Inquirer.
…
“Whether short or long [Cory’s and Erap’s speech onstage], they should have stuck to what was agreed on,†Santos said.
Una vez mas? No mas, por favor.
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 10:45 pm
@ Mon Casiple
most people not only in imperial manila, but mostly in the countryside, are taking the realist view. sentiments like “pare-pareho lang iyan, kahit sinong ilagay mo” are pervasive. since ZTE/NBN project was cancelled and 2010 elections are looming, they would rather wait.
unless lozada drops the “mother of all bombs”, its not gonna gel.
jason born on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 10:49 pm
Hi Cat:
“To rouse patriotism to the majority”
Ah, I wonder why during that day tita Glo and her cosmetic brigade were only able to muster 1000 warm bodies. Maybe, she just realized it’s a waste of money. It would be better to pour in her resources to the military, who have the guns to silence the unarmed enemies. During the sampling interview, one pro-ate glo rallyist said, “may pagkain daw.” Another person admitted they came from one place.
If she has the support of the majority, her cosmetic surgeons need not to come up with that “pathetic slam dunk” rally. All they have to do is to organize a rally bigger than that. It could had been a good show of “we are larger than you. We’re here supporting the president.” The spin doctors of Malacañang can only dream of having that bigger number.
I think you are referring to the support of the majority of politicians: mayors, governors, congressmen. An embattled president is as good as a milking cow. Take care.
istambay_sakalye on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 11:15 pm
Even the interfaith rally failed to unite the different organizations. They had their own agenda to promote in the rally. Many walked away to catch their rides going home. Anyway, they will hear the same tirades over the broadcast media and can read in the newspapers online or hard copies.
Tingnan mga photoop nila. Kaniya-kaniyang grupo. Kaniya-kaniyang – the cat
your comments seemed like you were there in makati during the rally. were you really there? i bet you were not. so stop shooting from the hip you’ll only hit your foot.
there is term for your likes- “SALING PUSA”
no pun intended. my apologies to all very likable felines!
Kabayan on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 11:22 pm
Huge crowd of 10,000 gathered at Bacolod to demand Gloria Arroyo resignation… uhh what does that mean, it’s called Imperial Bacolod as well?
jackast on Sun, 2nd Mar 2008 11:39 pm
@kabayan
no, not in that context. “imperial” manila in the context of over-centralization of powers, political activities, and the like, as brought up by one of our regular bloggers, mr. james, i think from the visayas.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:11 am
Ok thanks jackast,
I had the impression that James was referring to the rallyists in Manila having the sole interest in wanting Gloria out. However, as proven in Bacolod and opinions elsewhere outside Manila, they too want Gloria out.
The strong opinion of people wanting Gloria out of office does not only in exist in Manila but in other areas of our nation as well. If Gloria indeed either decides to get out or gets kicked out of office, it is not solely due to the majority of people living in so called “Imperial Manila.”
diego on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:12 am
at play in the middle-game: veteran Knight who was also former King, says:
“Ramos: Makati rally has long way to go” (From abs-cbs site)
of course…until we finalize our maneuvers. right mlq3?
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:20 am
Hi mlq3
In my opinion the anti-corruption groups should pace themselves and go for growth and recruitment more than constant rallies. As diego had said, we are still in the middle-game. I’ve detected some “instant noodle victory mentality” on a few quarters, they should be informed that they should sop up the environment and go for steady, and if necessary, slow growth.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:27 am
Moreover a proper structure and targeting objectives should be made since the problem of corruption in the Philippines is systemic in nature worsened by the stay and manipulation of Gloria and her allies. The fight against corruption and abuse of powers goes beyond even the removal of Gloria and continues on until all of these vestiges of evil, from small fry to big fish are removed or minimized at a very low level. The fight does not end with the removal of Gloria, in fact her removal would only be the “middle game” of the cleansing process.
jackast on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:49 am
on the dot kabayan! let me just venture that a realist position must go hand-in-hand with the idealists’ “deliverable”, that is, an achievable result. “the greater good for the greatest number.”
Eye-in-the-Sky on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:02 am
My current position is to wait and see.
The most worrying thing about this isn’t the Lady Prez… if they managed to remove Arroyo, the question is who should take over? So far I haven’t seen a worthy leader; most of them are, IMHO, opportunists wanting revenge for past humiliation. And I pity for Mr. Lozada as I watch the opportunists take advantage of the fight for truth.
The last thing I want is yet another grandstanding scumbag anxious to be installed to power so that he would pillage our nation. This is what I am angry about.
camry on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:16 am
I believed the presence of Cory, Erap etc. at the interfaith rally is not wrong. They have served the country as well (bad or good). The bottom line is they are trying to join the clamor if not leading the movement to awaken the Filipino people that now is the right time to replace the occupants of Malacanang. 2010 might be too late.
Of course the help of the AFP & PNP will play a vital role in ousting GMA.
Take a look at the item of former Chief Justice Panganiban PDI (Mar 2, 08). It is not a surprise that a former CJ during GMA’s time will write such.
VP Bus Dev on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:38 am
camry: Cory & Erap were not invited / were not on the agenda. As Monsignor Gerry Santos (CEAP-NCR), said, “… They should have followed what was agreed upon.”
camry on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:51 am
VP Bus Dev,
Thanks for ur info.
I wish then that Cory & Erap’s presence will not cause the spoilage of the movement in the future actions.
If at this point there are already disagreement among the “chefs” I am afraid that what we will see at the table is a plate of “spoiled chopsuey”.
UP n student on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:55 am
I agree with kabayan. the anti-corruption groups should pace themselves
Buyer beware! Caveat inocentes! Caveat marcher!
No deseamos descubrir más adelante que nos han engañado.
Because fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice….
jackast on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 2:00 am
mlq3-
picking up from my earlier blog, could civil society mount a simultaneous noise barrage (similar to what happened as a prelude to 1986) all over the country from schools, churches, car owners, etc
mlq3 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 2:02 am
jackast, not yet, but it will head in that direction.
jackast on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 2:25 am
also, if symbols still matter, please contact EDSA actors not in play: De Villa, Orbos , etc. might just help.
grd on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:10 am
it seems erap’s appearance at the rally brought more harm than good for the movement. he could be a trojan horse of malacanang. why, gloria’s lap dogs like injustice gonzales are even silent w/ erap’s visibility nowadays. but i understand no one would ever think of that as long as the man speak out against gloria. even mlq3 was mesmerized by his presence.
grd on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:12 am
it’s DAY 4…
The Ca t on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:15 am
What would that do. The noise of Lozada did not stir the majority to act.
His concert may be standing ovation in the universities because between attending a class and attending an organized “meeting and hearing a “hero” the students would choose the latter. It’s but natural for students. Then they disappear.
It was interpreted to be a support for the “media-made hero.” Wrong pulse again. Gamit kaya kayo ng stethoscope.
nash on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:22 am
Indeed, I find this fascination with WHO went to the rally, a big big stumbling block.
IMHO, if you go to a rally and are concerned with WHO shows up rather than on the unified CAUSE, you are going there for the wrong reasons.
I’ve been fortunate to have joined the two large anti-war protests in London which involved a joyous sit-down (filled with much singing) in front of the PM’s official residence on downing street. The last march allegedly reached a million (again, numbers, who cares really). The rallyists involved families and their children who did not hold any placards, socialists, communists, trade unions, artistas, the palestinians carried their big flags, the Iranians, the Americans, in short, it was a mix of every strata, class, political inclination, age, and colour of society, all united in their belief that the war was illegal.
On another note, I’m slightly concerned that the military is being deployed (or held on standby) everytime there is a rally. NO WHERE ELSE is this the case (well, except Africa, South America, oh guess what, in other similar fucked up republics as ours). Rallies are POLICE matters.
People are asking who should succeed if GMA theoretically resigns…well, isn’t it Noli de Castro? Is that a mystery? If GMA makes Erap look like a Saint, both of them make Noli an Angel.
Of course, as with Erap, there are doubts about Noli’s ‘intellectual capacity’ given his bare Senate record. But then again, if a supposedly intelligent, PhD in Economics Gloria Arroyo was ‘intelligent’ enough to appoint a Justice Secretary without a brain Raul Gonzalez then…..
Finally, maybe for once Pompous Dei member Kit Tatad is correct…the so-called presidentiable senators are slow to support calls for GMA’s resignation – Noli ascends to the presidency which makes him near-unbeatable in 2010. Loren “Miss Platitudes” Legarda doesn’t want that to happen kaya nagbubulag-bulagan nalang siya….
DevilsAdvc8 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:23 am
manolo, head in what direction?
bet now and 2010 GMA will refuse to stop down. none of us has exerted any effort to dismantle her grassroots support. understandably, organizing people to protest by districts is impossibly hard. so how can we put pressure on our congressmen?
and again, has anyone discovered how we can remove congressmen w/o the need to impeach them? can’t we ourselves file a people’s initiative or something?
we need to make our “representatives” more responsive. frankly, im disappointed with lray. i thought he was distancing himself from his father, but wtf was he doing in that lakas photo-op? maybe he does not realize that majority of his constituents are anti-gma. he cannot possibly expect to win next election with the kind of people he’s associating with now.
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:26 am
Noise barrage naman ngayon?
Talaga naman oo.
Is that the best “next steps” we can come up with?
The 2010 elections is sounding like the BEST option that it always has been.
nash on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:27 am
Indeed, I find this fascination with WHO went to the rally, a big big stumbling block.
IMHO, if you go to a rally and are concerned with WHO shows up rather than on the unified CAUSE, you are going there for the wrong reasons.
I’ve been fortunate to have joined the two large anti-war protests in London which involved a joyous sit-down (filled with much singing) in front of the PM’s official residence on Downing street. The last march allegedly reached a million (again, numbers, who cares really). The rallyists involved families and their children who did not hold any placards, socialists, communists, trade unions, artistas, the palestinians carried their big flags, the Iranians, the Americans, in short, it was a mix of every strata, class, political inclination, age, and colour of society, all united in their belief that the war was illegal.
On another note, I’m slightly concerned that the military is being deployed (or held on standby) everytime there is a rally. NO WHERE ELSE is this the case (well, except Africa, South America, oh guess what, in other similar fucked up republics as ours). Rallies are POLICE matters.
People are asking who should succeed if GMA theoretically resigns…well, isn’t it Noli de Castro? Is that a mystery? If GMA makes Erap look like a Saint, both of them make Noli look like an Angel.
Of course, as with Erap, there are doubts about Noli’s ‘intellectual capacity’ given his bare Senate record. But then again, if a supposedly intelligent, PhD in Economics Gloria Arroyo was ‘intelligent’ enough to appoint a Justice Secretary without a brain (Raul Gonzalez) then…..
Finally, maybe for once Pompous Dei member Kit Tatad is correct…the so-called presidentiable senators are slow to support calls for GMA’s resignation – Noli ascends to the presidency which makes him near-unbeatable in 2010. Loren “Miss Platitudes†Legarda doesn’t want that to happen kaya nagbubulag-bulagan nalang siya….
The Ca t on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:30 am
I jokingly wrote that, but Estrada is still in the LALALAND when he thinks that a “portable” rah rah boys” that he always bring with him wherever he goes reflect the sentiments of the majortiy of the people.
So is Cory. She believed that she is still an icon of democracy still waiting for People Power.
Her statement “If not for you, Jun, only a few would know about what is really happening in our government,â€is a turn-off.
Is she not reading the newspapers from the time GMA was installed as a President? All accusations of graft and corruption had been hurled to her. Kulang na lang yong bathtub siguro sa pinarenovate ni Erap na lugar niya sa Malacanan para meron silang mapag madyungan ang itapon sa kanya.
While the former President was advocating for the removal of GMA, the UST rector had these statements:
Fr. De la Rosa gave a different view of people power in his homily at UST.
“We delude ourselves if we think that by removing the President from Malacañang, just as we did with Marcos and Erap (Estrada’s nickname), integrity and honesty will be restored,†he said.
He also said: “We must stop looking for scapegoats to ease our burden, our guilt. We seem to have a penchant for putting the blame on just one person or a group of persons in order to take the heat off ourselves.â€
I said AMEN TO THAT. Siguro namula ang mukha ni Gina de Venecia na nakikisama rin sa mga campus tour. hoho
hvrds on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:34 am
Solita Monsod and her use of her version of the “fear bomb.”
Hold the center at all costs even with the lesser known evil. The alternative is the far left and the far right fighting for control. The advantage off course is with the far right. They are walking in the corridors of power and have already embedded themsleves in the seats of economic power.
Lacson, Honasan, Erap, Lim, Enrile and the rest will almost certainly coalecse with the forces of the extreme right.
The center right forces of Cory will dissipate and fall away.
The left is almost completely marginalized and Monsod’s analysis of the collapsing center has some merit.
Her main error is the fact that GMA is primarily responsibile for eroding the center. The CBCP is challenging her to smell the roses before it is too late. Rebuild the center before it is too late. Other wise the way is open for the men with stars on their shoulders to take things in their own stead.
The ace in the hole is ‘Amrika. If they see the center falling away they will move with the guys on the right to prevent a leftist takeover. A transitional revolutionary government is synonymous with a progressive revolution.
DevilsAdvc8 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:53 am
hvrds, the U.S. is too absorbed in its own wars right now to be bothered with a small country like the phils. the U.S. will stand idly by so long as they can strike up an agreement with the revolutionary forces.
grd on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 4:04 am
i agree with you devils. these protests should be organized and brought to the local level. pressure our congressmen to heed the call of the people and be responsive. pressure them to do their jobs. make the system work instead of the high improbability of going directly after gloria’s head. she’s no erap. and that’s the reality. it’s really all about bruised ego.
Bencard on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 4:48 am
“such questions are decided not in court or in church but in the public sphere of politics, not by judges or prelates, but by a nation’s citizens.” randy david.
really! and how will the nation adjudicate? by surveys? by radio-tv polls? by letters to editors of newspapers? by rallies?
truth is not determined by how many people say it is. falsehood is still false no matter if 80 million lozadas say it’s the truth.
UP n student on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 5:05 am
To Noid:
the slogan “alis dyan†has historical resonance. it was the slogan during the campaign when gma’s father, president macapagal, was defeated in 1965.
–mlqe
Ahhhh…. you don’t want that history to repeat. “Alis Diyan” 1965 was effective; Macapagal was napa-alis, and then… Marcos moved into Malacanang.
Bencard on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 5:05 am
it seems some personalities in the oust-gloria crowd have found novel ways to achieve their objectives. discredit the legal and justice systems, impugn the processes of the law, encourage defiance of the rule of law, and assail the integrity of law enforcement agencies of the government.
isn’t that a one-way path to anarchy?
Bencard on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 5:11 am
upn, i bet they don’t mind another dictator marcos to replace “gloria”. vacuous mentality!
Bencard on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 5:34 am
thanks, C’at for the excerpts of fr. de la rosa’s (ust rector magnificus) statement. while some at ust apparently are jumping to lozada’s dubious bandwagon, my alma mater, true to its modern-day tradition, does not condone prejudgment and hypocrisy. i wish those misguided souls would not use the name “ust” in joining the oust-gloria rallies. frankly, i’m shamed!
noid on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 6:24 am
UP n student,
‘Paalisin’ is as far as I would go in the cycle, of course.
The great thing about this movement is that, this time, the people have the chance to determine their own fate. It’s up to us really to determine the course of events, if only we can put our heads together. 
mang_isko on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 6:30 am
“Kabayan : Hi mlq3. In my opinion the anti-corruption groups should pace themselves and go for growth and recruitment more than constant rallies. As diego had said, we are still in the middle-game. I’ve detected some “instant noodle victory mentality†on a few quarters, they should be informed that they should sop up the environment and go for steady, and if necessary, slow growth.”
kung sa chess din, nasa opening pa lang tayo TALO na kayo. mali kasi ang ginamit ninyong “opening” tactic.
hehehehehe!
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:02 am
“it seems some personalities in the oust-gloria crowd have found novel ways to achieve their objectives. discredit the legal and justice systems, impugn the processes of the law, encourage defiance of the rule of law, and assail the integrity of law enforcement agencies of the government” — Bencard
Funny that the people most impacted by the disruptions and distractions caused by these moronic “protest” “rallies” — ordinary motorists, small businessmen (not counting the street vendors who profit from all this), white collar workers, university students etc. — are the ones who are the prime recruitment targets of these “rally” organisers.
Kawawa nga naman talaga ang Pinoy. Clueless ’til the very end.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:08 am
mang_isko,
Adaptability of strategy yan, walang opening gambit na tama, lahat may variations. At isa pa palang reminder dito lalo na sa mahilig sa chess. Hindi chess ang tunay na ginagamit sa pagplano ng pagpapatalsik sa kurapsyon. Analogy lamang ito … so don’t go overboard.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:14 am
jackast said:
Yes, in a nutshell, that is what it should be.
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:39 am
Check out the top “headline” on the INQ7.net today:
“MANILA, Philippines — Former president Corazon Aquino Sunday told Filipinos to prepare for a “long†fight, but said that in the end the public protests against corruption could force President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to resign.”
Long fight pala ha. How long kaya? Is there a plan? Is there a timetable?
If it’s gonna be THAT long, then why not wait for 2010?
One thing about DUE PROCESS is that at least it’s got some seblance of a timetable. It’s got a roadmap. And it’s got an official resolution at some point.
Moronic street “protests” have none of the above. No structure. No plan. And certainly no resolution that holds water.
The single common denominator across these street circuses is none other than the Lady-in-Yellow. And she’s got photos with them all — Arroyo in 2001 and Erap in 2008.
That’s right. She hobnobs with both the best of them and the VILEST of them. Now that some doubt is being cast even on Lozada’s credibility, maybe we should be ready to chalk one up for another shady character to add amongst the Lady-in-Yellow’s bedmates.
For those old enough to remember, one of the catchwords in 1986 was ‘balimbing’ (used to describe two-faced turncoats).
Look who’s the biggest balimbing TODAY.
Another irony yet again wasted on the vacuous minds that imprison Pinoy society.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:41 am
UP n student said:
Yes, there is also a danger of too much haste especially in a transition from Gloria to a new leadership. The power of the people must reside WITH THEM and must supersede charisma or personal popularity (and money) of a few individuals. The power of the people must reside in a properly INFORMED populace and trained in developing a good moral backbone.
This is not simple morality as what is proclaimed by preachers, pastors, priests and religious leaders in the pulpit. It is about a good moral compass and backbone translated in ACTION. Not lip services inside places of worship but through constant living in the way of goodness and genuine righteousness in the eyes of God.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:43 am
benign0 said:
It is unlikely you would be able to get answers to these operational plans in a blog or in any website for that matter.
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:58 am
“It is unlikely you would be able to get answers to these operational plans in a blog or in any website for that matter.” — Kabayan
Nice EXCUSE, dude.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:08 am
Benign0
You can believe what you want to believe
The Ca t on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:22 am
Sa akin sampal yon para kina Cory and the esteemed Bayani ng Diyaryo na si Lozada.
Ang huling balita ay ito:
Nagbantang kakalas sa pagka-Katoliko si NBN-ZTE star witness Rodolfo LoÂzada kapag hindi naninÂdigan ang mga obispo laban sa katiwaÂlian sa pamahalaan.
Ows, paano na ang libreng security galing sa mga madre na nagkaroon na ng SP syndrome. Tuwing nakakarinig ng silbato, biglang pinapaligiran ang whistleblowers.
Disappointed ba siya na kahit sa alma mater niya, nasupla siya? O narinig na ng mga obispo yong balita tungkol sa kanya na “pinatay” ng isang malakig diyaryo dahil makakasira sa kaniyang image ?
Abangan ang susunod na kabanata.
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:30 am
“You can believe what you want to believe” — Kabayan
My point exactly.
This seems to be the underlying belief system that governs the way Pinoys conduct themselves in general.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:33 am
Yes benign0, you included benign0 … you included
mang_kiko on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:49 am
sabihin n’yo gusto laban kay Aling Cory, siya naging Presidente na nang Pilipinas, di napatalsik, di kaya nang AFP i coup de tat tat, ngayon naka Yellow pa rin, si Madame Glo di pa Sigurado yon Kinabukasan, ma-ari Makalusot, Ma-ari Hindi, ibig sabihin delicado pa siya kasama dyan yon manga Kabarkada nya saksakan sa Sakim lalo na yon Kabiyak nya.
rego on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:55 am
Eh is Gloria eh naka 8 years na sa malacanang eh , si cory 6 years lang.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:57 am
Ano to scoreboard? Si Marcos 24 years.
rego on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 8:57 am
Kunsabagy, mahirap talgang maglagay ng time line kasi laging pumapaso sabi nag ni becard eggs on the face. So daanin na lang sa vague words this time.
rego on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:00 am
Ha ha ha oo nga naman. Pahabaan na lang ng term. Minsan nag pumpasok sa isip ko na kung gaganyan ganyan din lang naman ang oppsisiyon eh malamang talgang mauutakan na naman sial ni Gloria at makapag extend ng term nya beyond 2010.
Kabayan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:03 am
rego,
Magandang pagsusuri dahil balak talaga ni Gloria lumampas sa 2010 and kanyang pamumuno. Nasa anti-corruption groups na yan kung papaano nila (at namin) susugpuin itong mga pro-corruption groups.
mang_kiko on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:08 am
Ang ibig sabihin ni mang_kiko, sakali umiba ang isip nang ilang Generals dyan, o kaya makumbinsi din nang oposisyon, si Madame Glo may chance pa di Matapos ang kanyang “term”. Kaya habang si Aling Cory ay nasurvive and Plano nang manga Sundalo Rebelde, si Madame Glo nakalusot kay Trillanes at ilan, may dalawang Taon pang titingin sa kanyang paligid. Sa situasyon ngayon di nya Malaman kong sa-an gagaling ang Bato, ma-ari sa sariling mong Tao, ma-ari sa sundalo, ma-ari sa bise Presidente (reminder). kaya ingat..
istambay_sakalye on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:17 am
the damsel,the prince and et al, often times raise the point here that we need the rule of law to determine the truth and that the rest of us not smart enough with all the legal and court jargons and can’t be sure to know who’s telling the truth and so on and so forth along those lines.
have we all lost our collective marbles and that we can’t decide for ourselves independently without the court to tell the truth apart from lies?
that is very insulting to everyone here including our host manolo! there is a big difference from not knowing the truth to refusing to accept the truth. maybe YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
so let us debate the facts that we have on hand and who’s using every resources in their disposal to discredit ONE simple “probinsyanong intsik”.
anyone here believes (si)raul(o) gonzalez to uphold justice as his position suggest. ombudsman gutierrez, finding abalos not liable for the anomaly of the automated election machine which the supreme court nonetheless recommended that the deal was riddled with anomalies and illegaly awarded! now same ombudsman is trying to investigate the zte-nbn deal! do you really expect fair handshake?
what about the lagdogs in congress who blocked time and time again the impeachment from proceeding to have the truth? what are they afraid of if the truth is on their side? yeah they have the numbers and being rewared for it!
what about “hello garci tapes”? doj and telecom jumping on the medias throat with threat of sending them to jail if they air the tapes which by the way bunye was the first to air the contents to public. why then not send bunye to jail? now the supreme court again determined that that doj and telecom is at fault in issuing such threat!
who’s gonna replace gma? another marcos? where have you been guys? gma is the most corrupt president we ever have and is worse than marcos!
will it eliminate corruption in the government post gma. removing gma is just a start. from the top to bottom, everyone in the government involved in graft and corruption will be punished! who then will take over? that is a very insulting question to every honest and decent filipino! you mean we are like or worse than gma and her minions? every single filipino including yourselves here? there is always the choice of chief justice, although publicly he turned down the offer i bet when the time comes he will step up to the plate. anyway how will it look like if he accepts the offer right now? it will diminish his stature, objectivity and credibility while presiding as the current chief justice. he is still neede and doing his job in making sure the malacanang do not have their way in entirely corrupting the entire system in the government including the supreme court.
it is difficult as it is in the senate to do their mandate as administration senators are working very hard to derail every efforts to have the truth come out.
where is my proof? first use your own intelligence if you still have one, to decide! second ask the arroyo administration why they are blocking every effort to have the truth come out!
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:40 am
“who’s gonna replace gma? another marcos? where have you been guys? gma is the most corrupt president we ever have and is worse than marcos!” — istambay_sakalye
Psst, don’t look now but someone here’s fallen hook line and sinker for all the BS being propagated by the usual suspects.
-
Mita on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:50 am
wow…the extremists are gone? tumahimik din dito..
about the youth being at the rally. they seemed to be mostly catholic schools that were there, right? and these catholic schools all under the jurisdiction of the CEAP which is run by the religious? i’m just pointing it out.
as much as we have to give the youth credit for taking a stand, we have to ask how much INFLUENCE were those kids subjected to? young minds are pretty impressionable.
Mita on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 10:16 am
no freedom of information act in the Philippines. if we had, half the job of searching for the truth would be done by now. the information includes palace and executive branch memos, directives, emails, text messages, etc. that ought to be saved electronically and made available to the public. for documents deemed top secret or classified, they can be made public after a certain period of time.
broadcasts are required to be taped for review of the NTC if the need arises. if this data-saving can be imposed on private enterprise, why not the government?
mindanaoan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 10:38 am
mita,
you have a gem right there. ‘data-saving’, along with computerized elections and electronic bidding, will go a long way toward stamping out corruption in our country.
benign0 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 10:47 am
The problem is that it is not information that drives Pinoy behaviour. It is mainly gossip, speculation, appeals to emotion, and directives from revered people that drive behaviours in Pinoy society.
An information-driven society can only be built by purposeful and structured development of the information dissemination infrastructure (encompassing processes, governance, and institutions). This is obviously a concept that is alien to the Pinoy mind.
mlq3 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 10:50 am
orbos is very much involved.
camry on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 11:00 am
mita,
I wish you are not dreaming.If congress will enact such law, paano na yung mga pork barrel nila? How much will a member of the legislature spends to be elected to received a measy 40,000 pesos salary per month?
Remember that when JDV was still the Speaker of the House, he always backs up GMA, now that he is gone,he wants GMA to step down. Pare-parehas lang ang mga politico sa ating bansang Pilipinas.
mlq3 on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 11:05 am
mita, the government has rejected every proposal for a freedom of information act, just as the administration opposed bobi tiglao’s proposal to publish, on line, the SAL’s of every executive official, and just as my own proposal to return the Official Gazette to its premartial-law competeness by publishing every executive appointment and designation, the president’s weekly summary of activities, and all executive issuances, was rejected.
rego on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 11:27 am
Sakto ka na naman Benigno!
mindanaoan on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 11:39 am
it is not so much as the right to information that is the problem as much as the inadequate information infrastructure. the right to information is already enshrined in our constitution.
istambay_sakalye on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 12:02 pm
Psst, don’t look now but someone here’s fallen hook line and sinker for all the BS being propagated by the usual suspects.-benigno
is it someone by accident has same name of the fallen fellow courtesy of marcos regime? and stinking sh*t smell coming out his mouth everytime he opens it? i bet i know who you talking ’bout.
i guess he can’t refute the facts so he resorts to spinning and non sense! YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH! SUCKER!
Silent Waters on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:29 pm
Truth is in the eyes of the beholder…everybody has their version of what the truth is. So, the real question is…how do we know which one is the truth?
I believe that hysteria has taken over the search for truth and it is just no wonder that the powers that be are not willing to share whatever the truth is.
Everybody is correct that the public has a right to know the truth of what happened to the ZTDE-NBN contract. But guess what, why should the powers that be trust the citizenry (and vice versa for that matter) when all they hear are the histrionics of the politicians?
Yes, one can cay that we should trust the citizens to hear what they have to say: question is: will the citizen listen to them, after they have all been conditioned in either the administration’s or opposition’s version of the truth?
I am not condoning the administration for their wrongdoing. But it is human nature for them to decide not to say anything if the opposing forces will not even bother to have an open mind.
istambay_sakalye on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 2:09 pm
Truth is in the eyes of the beholder…everybody has their version of what the truth is. So, the real question is…how do we know which one is the truth?-silent waters
no there is only one version of the truth! the whole truth and nothing but the truth! use your God given abilities to sort out the facts from lies. who is doing everything to prevent the truth from coming? anyone who does this has something to hide. who says they are for the truth and does the opposite with their actions? e.o.464, blocking impeachment, “i am sorry”, “we are just providing security for lozada”.
let us not complicate and over analyze things with legal and lawyer jargons. don’t miss the trees for the forest. their new argument is who will replace arroyo if and when she gets booted out of malacanang? it is already an admission of guilt!
nash on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 3:01 pm
@istambay
yang si benign-zero is an australian. he is not a filipino hence his mostly disparaging remarks about filipinos.
makes me wonder why he is here instead of surfing given his penchant for using the word ‘dude’
JMCastro on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 4:45 pm
Silent Waters:
“why should the powers that be trust the citizenry (and vice versa for that matter) when all they hear are the histrionics of the politicians?”
I’d just like to add that the histrionics is not one-sided, the GMA administration has had its share of drama in this whole affair.
Right from the start, GMA has not been cooperating with Congress ever since the “Hello Garci” affair. The public punished GMA by not electing the administration’s senatorial lineup, opposition senators whose primary mandate is being anti-GMA.
tonio on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 5:36 pm
well, well… lots of impassioned commentary here.
but you’re still missing the point. rant all you will about how simple it is to see the truth. go talk down or hate on people if you must. (anything to make you feel good, eh?)
everyone who lives in this country knows corruption exists. from the sidewalk vendor and jeepney driver who give to their friendly neighbourhood kotong cop to the subhuman denizens that litter the halls of power. even foreign businesses who come here know that there is a “price” to doing business here.
the thing is, you’re not offering anything new.
You wanna go out and forcibly eject Gloria from Malacañang? Go right on ahead. Go raise and army. I’m sure the commies and all the other the thick-headed anarchists would so loooove to help you with it. Go grab a bunch of angry, like-minded people and carve a bloody path towards the truth that you see plainly before you. “Cry ‘Havoc!’ and let slip the dogs of war.”
What are you gonna do after, huh? What’s gonna happen when the dust settles and the bodies start being carried out. Where’s your glorious search for the truth after it is bathed in the blood of your countrymen?
How many people are you willing to sacrifice for this truth of yours?
Where do you begin to build the institutions you wantonly destroyed?
Where do you find your alternative leader? Among the barbarian horde that you whipped into a frenzy of destruction?
FOR ONCE, stop and THINK.
All of these calls for this or that, search for truth and all these media-backed theatrics. Do you think an altruist is behind all this? Do you think that when the “great struggle” is won, these people won’t rear their ugly head and claim the mantle of power because of utang na loob ? Because you apparently owe them for bringing about the victory?
Use your God-given talents to look at the situation and see if someone’s pulling your chain. If someone’s playing you.
And decide from that well-considered viewpoint.
cvj on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 6:06 pm
Tonio, sounds to me that you fear the truth and where it may lead.
tonio on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 7:55 pm
more the latter than the former cvj.
do you really want a repeat of this waking nightmare?
UP n student on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:24 pm
maybe it is only a few people, or maybe it is many people, but there are people who fear that their marching to the gates of Malacanang is only cover to a bigger conspiracy which (as happen with a few conspiracies) then result in worse.
And when asked, many of these few people say — follow the Constitution.
Mandaragat on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 9:52 pm
The way I see things now, and the way how it goes GMA will stay in power until 2010.
Bakit? Wala na kasing kredebilidad ang mga lider ng EDSA1, EDSA2 at EDSA3.
Leave this matter to proper venue and go on with your life and I believe many people would like to go on with theirs too.
cvj on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 10:03 pm
Tonio, those responsible for our ‘nightmare’ thrive on secrecy and deception would want nothing better than for the people to disengage. (To paraphrase a line from a movie i watched recently) they bank on our apathy since they are able to plan strategies around it.
justice league on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 12:09 am
Ca t,
Before the Lozada “concert” started at PUP; a bomb threat was announced.
The bomb threat would have cleared the campus of students and disrupt class on its own that students wouldn’t need to be present at his “concert” just to get away from attending class.
Jon Limjap on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 6:26 am
cvj,
But what if they’ve already planned their strategies around our rage as well?
Sometimes, I can’t help but think about scenarios such as… what if, after all, it was Sen. Lacson who was behind the Lozada kidnapping?
Silent Waters on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 8:27 am
@JM Castro
That’s why I said…histrionics of the politicians…..with an S and I make no distinction between pro or anti GMA…
Silent Waters on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 8:31 am
@istambay
My point being is that maybe the reason why GMA became so defensive is because of the way the other politicians acted. It is human nature to become defensive and od everything in one’s power if he/she feels threatened. (this is not in defense of her but rather letting you guys know that we want to hear and decide for ourselves without the noise pollution both sides put out on radio and TV.)
Wala naman siyang sasaibihin na tama sa inyo and wala kayong sasabihin na tama sa kanila. Yun talaga ang problema. And then one wonders why this thing excalates??
The Ca t on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 9:17 am
Part of the script.
mlwnag on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 12:10 pm
Hintayin na lang ninyong kapusin tayo sa bigas, harina, cooking oil at malimit ang brownout. Saka ninyo sabayan ng rally tiyak na maraming sasama. May pag-asa kayong manalo. Ang problema ng mga papapalit kay GMA saan sila kukuha ng pang-alo sa mga gutom na tao.
justice league on Tue, 4th Mar 2008 1:15 pm
Ca t,
“Part of the script” doesn’t answer the issue of watching the “concert” in lieu of attending class when there is no class to speak of, does it?
TheColdKing on Wed, 5th Mar 2008 1:08 am
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THE TREE OF LIBERTY HAS TO BE WATERED REGULARLY WITH THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS AND PATRIOTS.
TO MAKE OMELETS YOU HAVE TO BREAK EGGS.
EVERY GREAT NATION HAS HAD A BLOODY REVOLUTION.
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