Comments on: Thank you, bishops http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:40:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: AMR http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-749079 AMR Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:35:34 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-749079 magdiwang, why would I change my statement? the controversial provisions of eo 464 has been declared unconstitutional by the SC. that executive order has been practically rendered toothless by the SC. but just the same the executive branch does not respect the said ruling and continue to ignore the senate. magdiwang, why would I change my statement? the controversial provisions of eo 464 has been declared unconstitutional by the SC. that executive order has been practically rendered toothless by the SC. but just the same the executive branch does not respect the said ruling and continue to ignore the senate.

]]> By: hawaiianguy http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748768 hawaiianguy Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:29 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748768 mindanaoan, I would rather let the bishops say something on that. Like you, I also vouch for those bishops that I know are of unquestionable integrity (Bishop Tony Ledesma, Bishop Hilario Gomez, and Bishop Jose Manguiran.) How about you, can you name them? If you live in Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Zamboanga or anywhere close by, why don't you try asking the devout and church leaders who are those bishops that have become beneficiaries of "donations" from Malacanan for their diocese? Re your " as a Mindanaoan," I assume that you are from the region, and that you are knowledgeable about it. ("what can you see in hawaii that i can’t see in mindanao?") mindanaoan,

I would rather let the bishops say something on that. Like you, I also vouch for those bishops that I know are of unquestionable integrity (Bishop Tony Ledesma, Bishop Hilario Gomez, and Bishop Jose Manguiran.) How about you, can you name them?

If you live in Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Zamboanga or anywhere close by, why don’t you try asking the devout and church leaders who are those bishops that have become beneficiaries of “donations” from Malacanan for their diocese?

Re your ” as a Mindanaoan,” I assume that you are from the region, and that you are knowledgeable about it. (“what can you see in hawaii that i can’t see in mindanao?”)

]]> By: mindanaoan http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748755 mindanaoan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:44:44 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748755 hawaiian, so who do you think among the bishops were influenced by the cash gift? the bishops that i know seem to be of unquestionable integrity; it's unreasonable to impute corruptibity to bishops i dont know. so that leaves me to grant that their actions, and that of CBCP as a whole, are the result of their discernment, and not of pera-pera politics. <b><i> For your info as a Mindanaoan</i></b> why do you need to put <i>as a mindanaoan</i> in there? hawaiian, so who do you think among the bishops were influenced by the cash gift? the bishops that i know seem to be of unquestionable integrity; it’s unreasonable to impute corruptibity to bishops i dont know. so that leaves me to grant that their actions, and that of CBCP as a whole, are the result of their discernment, and not of pera-pera politics.
For your info as a Mindanaoan why do you need to put as a mindanaoan in there?

]]> By: hawaiianguy http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748744 hawaiianguy Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:09:03 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748744 mindanaoan, never did I say or insist that the CBCP has been bought. Divided, yes, because of that pera-pera politics. Nobody can deny that. If you think that it never happened, you are entitled to your opinion. No, I didn't pick on you or single you out. I have sparred with some people here, not just you. I thought that you, being a Mindanaoan, could bring up something worthwhile in this blog re Mindanao. mindanaoan, never did I say or insist that the CBCP has been bought. Divided, yes, because of that pera-pera politics. Nobody can deny that. If you think that it never happened, you are entitled to your opinion.

No, I didn’t pick on you or single you out. I have sparred with some people here, not just you. I thought that you, being a Mindanaoan, could bring up something worthwhile in this blog re Mindanao.

]]> By: mindanaoan http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748739 mindanaoan Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:53:41 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748739 hawaiianguy: i missed the train because your clippings date back to 2006! now, to say that many bishops accepted the cash gifts does not necessarily follow that the CBCP has been bought. if that's the only conclusion you can make, i can grant you that. for my part i give them the benefit of the doubt. btw, why do you seem to pick on my being mindanaoan? hawaiianguy: i missed the train because your clippings date back to 2006! now, to say that many bishops accepted the cash gifts does not necessarily follow that the CBCP has been bought. if that’s the only conclusion you can make, i can grant you that. for my part i give them the benefit of the doubt.
btw, why do you seem to pick on my being mindanaoan?

]]> By: hawaiianguy http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748604 hawaiianguy Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:28:25 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748604 mindanaon: "The “pera-pera politics” that originated from Malacanang seems to be working. accusations, innuendos, that’s not enough." You must have missed the train, my friend. Many of the bishops themselves admitted receiving "cash gifts or reimbursements" during that July 2007 meeting in Malacanan prior to the impeachment attempt. For your info as a Mindanaoan, at least two bishops returned the money: Bishop Tony Ledesma (Cagayan de Oro) and Bishop Jose Manguiran (Dipolog). But many didn't. “A leading Bishop, Jose Manguiran of Dipolog diocese said, he was given two cash filled envelopes on the eve of the crucial meeting of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) which was to discuss the pending impeachment of the President. “They were trying to bribe the bishops …it was shameless”. He returned the money with a covering letter. Archbishop Antonio Ledesma, CBCP vice-president was also given an envelope with cash but he told a reporter that he refused it. - Bishop Manguiran mindanaon: “The “pera-pera politics” that originated from Malacanang seems to be working. accusations, innuendos, that’s not enough.”

You must have missed the train, my friend. Many of the bishops themselves admitted receiving “cash gifts or reimbursements” during that July 2007 meeting in Malacanan prior to the impeachment attempt. For your info as a Mindanaoan, at least two bishops returned the money: Bishop Tony Ledesma (Cagayan de Oro) and Bishop Jose Manguiran (Dipolog). But many didn’t.

“A leading Bishop, Jose Manguiran of Dipolog diocese said, he was given two cash filled envelopes on the eve of the crucial meeting of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) which was to discuss the pending impeachment of the President.

“They were trying to bribe the bishops …it was shameless”. He returned the money with a covering letter. Archbishop Antonio Ledesma, CBCP vice-president was also given an envelope with cash but he told a reporter that he refused it. – Bishop Manguiran

]]> By: Mita http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748477 Mita Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:52:54 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748477 Exactly my sentiments, Geo! Exactly my sentiments, Geo!

]]> By: Mita http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748476 Mita Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:50:58 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748476 there is a willing dummy....este replacement....ERAP! there is a willing dummy….este replacement….ERAP!

]]> By: Bert http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748296 Bert Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:27:27 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748296 "I hope this clarifies why I am at this point listening and observing what is going on. It doesn’t mean I don’t agree with you. It just means I want to be fair. Just because you feel they’re not fair doesn’t mean we have stoop to their level.--Tambay guys, don't press Tambay too much, just like the cbcp, he's waiting for the bandwagon to come. “I hope this clarifies why I am at this point listening and observing what is going on. It doesn’t mean I don’t agree with you. It just means I want to be fair. Just because you feel they’re not fair doesn’t mean we have stoop to their level.–Tambay

guys, don’t press Tambay too much, just like the cbcp, he’s waiting for the bandwagon to come.

]]> By: Mandaragat http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/27/thank-you-bishops/comment-page-6/#comment-748222 Mandaragat Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:24:39 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1700#comment-748222 As long as there is no alternative in sight, GMA will cling to power up to 2010. What's happening now may be perceived as political posturing considering the people "making noise" about it seems taking advanteage of media mileage to prepare themselves for the next presidential election. Luma na ang ganitong style. Our beloved country needs instability. We dont need another EDSA 3 to put back a convicted leader or bring to power the same personalities we deposed on EDSA 1. Dapat natutuo narin tayo sa EDSA 2. There's no one to blame here. Sarili na natin ang kalaban this time. As long as there is no alternative in sight, GMA will cling to power up to 2010.

What’s happening now may be perceived as political posturing considering the people “making noise” about it seems taking advanteage of media mileage to prepare themselves for the next presidential election.

Luma na ang ganitong style.

Our beloved country needs instability. We dont need another EDSA 3 to put back a convicted leader or bring to power the same personalities we deposed on EDSA 1. Dapat natutuo narin tayo sa EDSA 2.

There’s no one to blame here.

Sarili na natin ang kalaban this time.

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