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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-11/#comment-741108</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This battle is not about personalities.  It is not about who is the lesser of the evils.  It is about the rule of law.  GMA has been caught; she should be punished.  She should be impeached or forced to resign. 

I don&#039;t care who comes next.  That is irrelevant.  What matters here in the principle - if you are caught, you are punished.  In due time, we will catch the next crook and he too will be punished.  And then the next, and the next, and the next...for a thousand years and a thousand People Powers if need be.  Afterall, they are all human beings, they are all flawed sinners.  We human being will never be sinless.  How can we expect our leaders to be? This is why democracy matters; it is easier to get rid of the crooks.  Let&#039;s get rid of this one now, as we got rid of Erap, and then we will deal with the next one, as we will (hopefully) get rid of GMA.

No lesser of evils.  It is not about the personalities.  It is about the principle.  It is about the rule of law.  Ir you are caught, you go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This battle is not about personalities.  It is not about who is the lesser of the evils.  It is about the rule of law.  GMA has been caught; she should be punished.  She should be impeached or forced to resign. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care who comes next.  That is irrelevant.  What matters here in the principle &#8211; if you are caught, you are punished.  In due time, we will catch the next crook and he too will be punished.  And then the next, and the next, and the next&#8230;for a thousand years and a thousand People Powers if need be.  Afterall, they are all human beings, they are all flawed sinners.  We human being will never be sinless.  How can we expect our leaders to be? This is why democracy matters; it is easier to get rid of the crooks.  Let&#8217;s get rid of this one now, as we got rid of Erap, and then we will deal with the next one, as we will (hopefully) get rid of GMA.</p>
<p>No lesser of evils.  It is not about the personalities.  It is about the principle.  It is about the rule of law.  Ir you are caught, you go.</p>
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		<title>By: disgruntled cyborg</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-11/#comment-739835</link>
		<dc:creator>disgruntled cyborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. MLQ3 will agree that since 1521 when the spaniards were trading glass mirrors for gold with the naive indios around here corruptions has been with us. Too sad... corruption is an issue too huge to manage now. Skins are too thick and the minions waiting in the wings for Arroyo to fall are as corrupt as her own people. Sir Galahad has the Clap just like King Arthur. Thats the huge problem. No Magic Bullet, No Quick Fix and No Cory Doy to choose as alternative. For the Filipinos yelling and making all that noise out there... Jesus seems to have left his cross on this issue on truth. They had a heavy debate with Pilate on truth... something people should ponder for Holy Week. I hate to think FG would just be traded off for another Trapo on the other side of the Fence. The Gestalt needs changing. The people managing the system and operating within Philippine Institutions are all infected with the same disease. Unmanageable, Deniable, Concealable corruption and Greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. MLQ3 will agree that since 1521 when the spaniards were trading glass mirrors for gold with the naive indios around here corruptions has been with us. Too sad&#8230; corruption is an issue too huge to manage now. Skins are too thick and the minions waiting in the wings for Arroyo to fall are as corrupt as her own people. Sir Galahad has the Clap just like King Arthur. Thats the huge problem. No Magic Bullet, No Quick Fix and No Cory Doy to choose as alternative. For the Filipinos yelling and making all that noise out there&#8230; Jesus seems to have left his cross on this issue on truth. They had a heavy debate with Pilate on truth&#8230; something people should ponder for Holy Week. I hate to think FG would just be traded off for another Trapo on the other side of the Fence. The Gestalt needs changing. The people managing the system and operating within Philippine Institutions are all infected with the same disease. Unmanageable, Deniable, Concealable corruption and Greed.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-11/#comment-734994</link>
		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lozada is one smart alec here. He knows where he stood. As the witness in Senate hearing and under oath all he will do is tell the facts as he could remember and the only way he could be prosecuted is for perjury and that has to be proved beyond doubts. As for all the threatened civil cases, they can only get as much as he is worth, and if he is worth more for sure it had all gone somewhere, just like most of the smart alecs, you don&#039;t declare  ur dirty laundry, do you??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lozada is one smart alec here. He knows where he stood. As the witness in Senate hearing and under oath all he will do is tell the facts as he could remember and the only way he could be prosecuted is for perjury and that has to be proved beyond doubts. As for all the threatened civil cases, they can only get as much as he is worth, and if he is worth more for sure it had all gone somewhere, just like most of the smart alecs, you don&#8217;t declare  ur dirty laundry, do you??</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Mariano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Lozada becomes state witness (like Chavit Singson) then he&#039;s not going to jail (just like Chavit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Lozada becomes state witness (like Chavit Singson) then he&#8217;s not going to jail (just like Chavit).</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-11/#comment-734303</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

What system change are you proposing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>What system change are you proposing?</p>
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		<title>By: tonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>james:

amen.  let Drama Queen Lozada be the first to go to jail after he gives the country what is demanded of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james:</p>
<p>amen.  let Drama Queen Lozada be the first to go to jail after he gives the country what is demanded of him.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is the crying boy bakla? couldn&#039;t believe one could talk like this and not be bakla..

I would only like to know how much of his wealth is permissible 60M..

let&#039;s change system, there will always be vested groups like the vultures waiting in line..it will be pretty much of the same but legislate rather than grandstanding is what the senate should do.

Prosecute them in court including the crying boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is the crying boy bakla? couldn&#8217;t believe one could talk like this and not be bakla..</p>
<p>I would only like to know how much of his wealth is permissible 60M..</p>
<p>let&#8217;s change system, there will always be vested groups like the vultures waiting in line..it will be pretty much of the same but legislate rather than grandstanding is what the senate should do.</p>
<p>Prosecute them in court including the crying boy</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-11/#comment-733454</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mang_Isko,

You probably haven&#039;t read one of my previous posts.

Regarding #1, maybe no one convinced him but I&#039;m quoting part of the SandiganBayan decision which reads

&quot;The Court concedes that Gov. Chavit Singson did not have the purest of motives in exposing the jueteng collections which he testified were done for the benefit of FPres. Estrada.  Undoubtedly and by his own admission, he resented not being given the franchise for the Bingo Two Balls, the government sanctioned numbers game, in his home province of Ilocos Sur.  He feared the demise of his political career as the said franchise was given to his political opponents, Eric Singson and his brother Bonito Singson, to the embarrassment of the mayors who were affiliated to him.  Gov. Chavit Singson was disappointed to say the least that Mayor Jinggoy Estrada, JV Ejercito, the other son of FPres. Estrada, Secretary Edgardo Angara, Secretary Alfredo Lim, friends like Luis Asistio and Mark Jimenez, whom Gov. Chavit Singson approached to intercede to FPres. Estrada to help him secure the franchise, were unsuccessful. 

So it may not have been &quot;someone&quot; but could have been more of &quot;something&quot; like the demise of his political career, etc....

 
Regarding #2, the SandiganBayan didn&#039;t dwell much on that with regards to Singson&#039;s credibility against ex-Pres. Estrada.

Regarding #4, there was instead Cardinal Sin.

Regarding #3, there was the crying part before Cardinal Sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mang_Isko,</p>
<p>You probably haven&#8217;t read one of my previous posts.</p>
<p>Regarding #1, maybe no one convinced him but I&#8217;m quoting part of the SandiganBayan decision which reads</p>
<p>&#8220;The Court concedes that Gov. Chavit Singson did not have the purest of motives in exposing the jueteng collections which he testified were done for the benefit of FPres. Estrada.  Undoubtedly and by his own admission, he resented not being given the franchise for the Bingo Two Balls, the government sanctioned numbers game, in his home province of Ilocos Sur.  He feared the demise of his political career as the said franchise was given to his political opponents, Eric Singson and his brother Bonito Singson, to the embarrassment of the mayors who were affiliated to him.  Gov. Chavit Singson was disappointed to say the least that Mayor Jinggoy Estrada, JV Ejercito, the other son of FPres. Estrada, Secretary Edgardo Angara, Secretary Alfredo Lim, friends like Luis Asistio and Mark Jimenez, whom Gov. Chavit Singson approached to intercede to FPres. Estrada to help him secure the franchise, were unsuccessful. </p>
<p>So it may not have been &#8220;someone&#8221; but could have been more of &#8220;something&#8221; like the demise of his political career, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>Regarding #2, the SandiganBayan didn&#8217;t dwell much on that with regards to Singson&#8217;s credibility against ex-Pres. Estrada.</p>
<p>Regarding #4, there was instead Cardinal Sin.</p>
<p>Regarding #3, there was the crying part before Cardinal Sin.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPn, thanks for that info on the per CPE cost.  Amsterdam Holdings (AHI) of Joey de Venecia was the competitor although there was no bidding as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPn, thanks for that info on the per CPE cost.  Amsterdam Holdings (AHI) of Joey de Venecia was the competitor although there was no bidding as such.</p>
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		<title>By: mang_isko</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2008/02/14/what-to-do-concluded/comment-page-10/#comment-733402</link>
		<dc:creator>mang_isko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justice league, why the testimony of chavit worked against erap?
1. when chavit came out to the open nobody convince him.
2. erap was part of plan to kill(?) him when he was running away from the police(?)
3. there were no theatrics.
4. no over-acting of priests, nuns and other religious(kuno) people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justice league, why the testimony of chavit worked against erap?<br />
1. when chavit came out to the open nobody convince him.<br />
2. erap was part of plan to kill(?) him when he was running away from the police(?)<br />
3. there were no theatrics.<br />
4. no over-acting of priests, nuns and other religious(kuno) people.</p>
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