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	<title>Comments on: Colonial legislation, apologia for police actions, and the battle of the letters resumes</title>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/12/05/colonial-legislation-apologia-for-police-actions-and-the-battle-of-the-letters-resumes/comment-page-4/#comment-659100</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlq3, no need for an apology really but appreciate the gesture. i understand where you&#039;re coming from. being part of the media, i expect you to defend strongly the actions of your colleagues right or wrong. but it&#039;s good enough for me ordinary citizen that you recognized the point i&#039;m driving at (as with the others). IMHO, i still believe though nothing&#039;s excessive with what the authorities did in the manila pen siege concerning those who chose to defy the order during police operation. no one was actually hurt except media&#039;s bruised ego on the manner of the &quot;processing&quot;. 

i&#039;m not being biased against the media. i do appreciate a good story whenever i happened to view or read one but not with this particular incident, just like the rest of the public who happened to follow the stories behind the siege, i am equally disappointed.

carl wrote it quite well in another thread here:  

&lt;blockquote&gt; Wow, for the first time, Inquirer and major broadcast media stopped pandering to public opinion. Media threw support squarely behind their journalists (ever read a dissenting editiorial on the supposed supression of press freedom by the police?) â€” despite public opinion telling them otherwise.

The more I get to read the posts here, the more I realize media has become so biased in this issue â€” so biased that they swing between being defensive and being hysterical. And they are alienating readers already. Now if i want smarter and balanced opinion from both sides, I hit the blogsâ€¦ carl &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlq3, no need for an apology really but appreciate the gesture. i understand where you&#8217;re coming from. being part of the media, i expect you to defend strongly the actions of your colleagues right or wrong. but it&#8217;s good enough for me ordinary citizen that you recognized the point i&#8217;m driving at (as with the others). IMHO, i still believe though nothing&#8217;s excessive with what the authorities did in the manila pen siege concerning those who chose to defy the order during police operation. no one was actually hurt except media&#8217;s bruised ego on the manner of the &#8220;processing&#8221;. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not being biased against the media. i do appreciate a good story whenever i happened to view or read one but not with this particular incident, just like the rest of the public who happened to follow the stories behind the siege, i am equally disappointed.</p>
<p>carl wrote it quite well in another thread here:  </p>
<blockquote><p> Wow, for the first time, Inquirer and major broadcast media stopped pandering to public opinion. Media threw support squarely behind their journalists (ever read a dissenting editiorial on the supposed supression of press freedom by the police?) â€” despite public opinion telling them otherwise.</p>
<p>The more I get to read the posts here, the more I realize media has become so biased in this issue â€” so biased that they swing between being defensive and being hysterical. And they are alienating readers already. Now if i want smarter and balanced opinion from both sides, I hit the blogsâ€¦ carl </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Silent Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/12/05/colonial-legislation-apologia-for-police-actions-and-the-battle-of-the-letters-resumes/comment-page-4/#comment-658326</link>
		<dc:creator>Silent Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo

I agree with your comment.  What I was actually pointing out really with respect to compromise is not in the sense of getting into a middle ground to agree to but rather being less extremist.  Yun para bang it&#039;s all or nothing stance that will just drive the opposing force to not even come to the table to talk as there is no point anyway.  

Not engaging the boss lady and her minions, antagonizing them to no end means there&#039;s less of a chance to somehow fix the issues hounding government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo</p>
<p>I agree with your comment.  What I was actually pointing out really with respect to compromise is not in the sense of getting into a middle ground to agree to but rather being less extremist.  Yun para bang it&#8217;s all or nothing stance that will just drive the opposing force to not even come to the table to talk as there is no point anyway.  </p>
<p>Not engaging the boss lady and her minions, antagonizing them to no end means there&#8217;s less of a chance to somehow fix the issues hounding government.</p>
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		<title>By: Bokyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bokyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;someone up said, what if something wrong happened like trillanes et al did not surrender? as if the whole thing was just a game to them. those who stayed actually acted as a willing shield for trillanes et al.&quot; - grd

What I said was it would have been more justified if the police authorities have used less force not like what they&#039;ve done.  I also would have agreed filing cases against those journalists who stayed and defied the order of police authorities and the proper court will decide if they really have violated a certain law or not.  But what strikes me is that the police authorities still have to use excessive force, not taking into consideration there are civilians and some journalists left inside (even if they chose to stay).  I can&#039;t see how can they say that they made it difficult or obstructing their line of work if they will still use excessive force that way anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;someone up said, what if something wrong happened like trillanes et al did not surrender? as if the whole thing was just a game to them. those who stayed actually acted as a willing shield for trillanes et al.&#8221; &#8211; grd</p>
<p>What I said was it would have been more justified if the police authorities have used less force not like what they&#8217;ve done.  I also would have agreed filing cases against those journalists who stayed and defied the order of police authorities and the proper court will decide if they really have violated a certain law or not.  But what strikes me is that the police authorities still have to use excessive force, not taking into consideration there are civilians and some journalists left inside (even if they chose to stay).  I can&#8217;t see how can they say that they made it difficult or obstructing their line of work if they will still use excessive force that way anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was being snarky at grd. he has an absolutely valid point, which is, if you don;t like what media&#039;s doing, sock it to &#039;em. and yes, media has to listen and learn because also, no one wants to drive people to watching nbn permanently... so apologies to grd, i was out of line.

i think commenter ace in the other thread dissected things quite well:

http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1608#comment-658254

note that i never opposed &quot;processing,&quot; just the manner, i thought it was excessive and was for other purposes than clearing the scene properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was being snarky at grd. he has an absolutely valid point, which is, if you don;t like what media&#8217;s doing, sock it to &#8216;em. and yes, media has to listen and learn because also, no one wants to drive people to watching nbn permanently&#8230; so apologies to grd, i was out of line.</p>
<p>i think commenter ace in the other thread dissected things quite well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1608#comment-658254" rel="nofollow">http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1608#comment-658254</a></p>
<p>note that i never opposed &#8220;processing,&#8221; just the manner, i thought it was excessive and was for other purposes than clearing the scene properly.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, by all means criticize, as you have been. i&#039;m just pointing out your nuclear option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, by all means criticize, as you have been. i&#8217;m just pointing out your nuclear option.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/12/05/colonial-legislation-apologia-for-police-actions-and-the-battle-of-the-letters-resumes/comment-page-4/#comment-658239</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, i think the default attitude of media, anywhere, is governments are not to be trusted. this is an attitude as old as the concept of a fourth estate or that of the press as an institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, i think the default attitude of media, anywhere, is governments are not to be trusted. this is an attitude as old as the concept of a fourth estate or that of the press as an institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know if compromise is the most required ingredient.

The way I see it, Ramos was the one who most clearly spelled out the ultimate reality: It&#039;s the Philippines vs the other countries in the region and the world.

This country doesn&#039;t need compromises; it needs effective solutions. Now.

No more us vs us; lots more us vs them. How can we do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even know if compromise is the most required ingredient.</p>
<p>The way I see it, Ramos was the one who most clearly spelled out the ultimate reality: It&#8217;s the Philippines vs the other countries in the region and the world.</p>
<p>This country doesn&#8217;t need compromises; it needs effective solutions. Now.</p>
<p>No more us vs us; lots more us vs them. How can we do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silent Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo

I agree with you wholeheartedly.  The problem really boils down to the people who actually view things in Black and White (no pun intended on the B&amp;W group).  Compromise is not an option.  The &quot;pataasan ng ihi&quot; then becomes the norm rather than the exception.  Or I guess it&#039;s a game of who blinks first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo</p>
<p>I agree with you wholeheartedly.  The problem really boils down to the people who actually view things in Black and White (no pun intended on the B&amp;W group).  Compromise is not an option.  The &#8220;pataasan ng ihi&#8221; then becomes the norm rather than the exception.  Or I guess it&#8217;s a game of who blinks first.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People and groups and sectors have to start believing in one another.

If we don&#039;t work together, who else is gonna fix this country?

All media and all police are not bad. Many -- if not most -- want things to get better. Energies can be spent growling at each other, or constructive dialogue can be pursued. Which one makes more sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People and groups and sectors have to start believing in one another.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t work together, who else is gonna fix this country?</p>
<p>All media and all police are not bad. Many &#8212; if not most &#8212; want things to get better. Energies can be spent growling at each other, or constructive dialogue can be pursued. Which one makes more sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Silent Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silent Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I always said, some people here play too much counterstrike/rainbow six/combat grounds(?)...akala nila may 2 more lives sila.....:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I always said, some people here play too much counterstrike/rainbow six/combat grounds(?)&#8230;akala nila may 2 more lives sila&#8230;..:-)</p>
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