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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/12/farcical-procedures/comment-page-4/#comment-639198</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again. I t was a typo. I only type with two fingers. But such a losing comment reveals something that reflects about your rule of law. Shaman said it&#039;s all form, no substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again. I t was a typo. I only type with two fingers. But such a losing comment reveals something that reflects about your rule of law. Shaman said it&#8217;s all form, no substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously you don&#039;t understand the phrase &quot;with respect to&quot;, judge sore eyes. you are too funny if you were not out of this world. why don&#039;t you just keep watching? every time you write your thoughts, you reveal something. and it&#039;s not flattering to you at all, poor thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously you don&#8217;t understand the phrase &#8220;with respect to&#8221;, judge sore eyes. you are too funny if you were not out of this world. why don&#8217;t you just keep watching? every time you write your thoughts, you reveal something. and it&#8217;s not flattering to you at all, poor thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/12/farcical-procedures/comment-page-4/#comment-639129</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WITH RESPECT GMA? It makes your case worse. Read the back issues of PDI. You will learn why. You&#039;re getting lazy Bencard.

DENIED. Motion DENIED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WITH RESPECT GMA? It makes your case worse. Read the back issues of PDI. You will learn why. You&#8217;re getting lazy Bencard.</p>
<p>DENIED. Motion DENIED.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/12/farcical-procedures/comment-page-4/#comment-639078</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watchful, am i supposed to be impressed by doronilla&#039;s resume and so i have to change my opinion about him because of it? i am a filipino but i have news for you. i don&#039;t have that kind of cultural baggage. he could be the genius einstein himself but if i think he is a doom sayer, he is that to me just the same. anyway, what i said was that he is nothing but a prophet of doom WITH RESPECT TO PGMA. again, you have omitted the last part and i think i know why.   

btw, i was more convinced where doronilla was coming from when i learned (thanks to mbw) that he had an axe to grind with her concerning an unfulfilled expectation of patronage. but then again, what else is new in the philippines? 

also, who cares about your verdict?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watchful, am i supposed to be impressed by doronilla&#8217;s resume and so i have to change my opinion about him because of it? i am a filipino but i have news for you. i don&#8217;t have that kind of cultural baggage. he could be the genius einstein himself but if i think he is a doom sayer, he is that to me just the same. anyway, what i said was that he is nothing but a prophet of doom WITH RESPECT TO PGMA. again, you have omitted the last part and i think i know why.   </p>
<p>btw, i was more convinced where doronilla was coming from when i learned (thanks to mbw) that he had an axe to grind with her concerning an unfulfilled expectation of patronage. but then again, what else is new in the philippines? </p>
<p>also, who cares about your verdict?</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is simplistic but it is never easy.
I&#039;ll try to follow re: no need of legislator to change the rules. Reason: In impeachment, it takes 70 like-minded legislators (1/3 vote) to move it to senate for trial which is difficult at present. There is majority vote as well as 2/3 or 3/4 vote requirements. That is the hallmark of popular democracy like ours.

I&#039;ll take that Kingmaker is worth a solution (though a frustrated one) to break the current House control. To mention Erap as Kingmaker was effectively neutralized by Gloria&#039;s pardon. The CBCP as Kingmaker (like what Cardinal Sin did) was pre-emptive by Gloria&#039;s direct approach and travel to Rome, with icing on the cake - her relative is on the way to sainthood. The military as Kingmaker was given the large piece of the budget plus equipment upgrades, pay increases and pension funding that was the cause of instability before.

If I understood it correctly, the kingmaker has a gambit - you have to give up something in exchange. I am afraid, there is little left to the next kingmaker. In essence, the kingmaker solution is a gamble that serves no one except special interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is simplistic but it is never easy.<br />
I&#8217;ll try to follow re: no need of legislator to change the rules. Reason: In impeachment, it takes 70 like-minded legislators (1/3 vote) to move it to senate for trial which is difficult at present. There is majority vote as well as 2/3 or 3/4 vote requirements. That is the hallmark of popular democracy like ours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that Kingmaker is worth a solution (though a frustrated one) to break the current House control. To mention Erap as Kingmaker was effectively neutralized by Gloria&#8217;s pardon. The CBCP as Kingmaker (like what Cardinal Sin did) was pre-emptive by Gloria&#8217;s direct approach and travel to Rome, with icing on the cake &#8211; her relative is on the way to sainthood. The military as Kingmaker was given the large piece of the budget plus equipment upgrades, pay increases and pension funding that was the cause of instability before.</p>
<p>If I understood it correctly, the kingmaker has a gambit &#8211; you have to give up something in exchange. I am afraid, there is little left to the next kingmaker. In essence, the kingmaker solution is a gamble that serves no one except special interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read your lips Benjie You said: â€œDoronilla is nothing but a prophet of doom . . .â€ 

I donâ€™t agree with many of Doronilaâ€™s commentaries although he is often very incisive in his political analysis. But in case you donâ€™t know, Doronila is one of the Philippinesâ€™ most highly respected journalists and political pundit. He is a colleague of Manolo at Philippine Daily Inquirer where aside from being a columnist heâ€™s also an editorial consultant. He was editor-in-chief of the Manila Chronicle and former editor of Public Policy, the quarterly journal of the University of the Philippines. Doronila has a Master&#039;s degree in politics.

If calling a pillar in Philippine journalism like Doronila â€œnothing but a prophet of doomâ€ . . . .which also means he is not a serious writer and journalist at all but NOTHING BUT a scaremonger . . . is not name-calling,  check again what name-calling means. 

To save you the surf, name-calling means â€œthe use of abusive names to belittle or humiliate another person in a political campaign, an argument, etc.â€

Verdict remains. Still guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read your lips Benjie You said: â€œDoronilla is nothing but a prophet of doom . . .â€ </p>
<p>I donâ€™t agree with many of Doronilaâ€™s commentaries although he is often very incisive in his political analysis. But in case you donâ€™t know, Doronila is one of the Philippinesâ€™ most highly respected journalists and political pundit. He is a colleague of Manolo at Philippine Daily Inquirer where aside from being a columnist heâ€™s also an editorial consultant. He was editor-in-chief of the Manila Chronicle and former editor of Public Policy, the quarterly journal of the University of the Philippines. Doronila has a Master&#8217;s degree in politics.</p>
<p>If calling a pillar in Philippine journalism like Doronila â€œnothing but a prophet of doomâ€ . . . .which also means he is not a serious writer and journalist at all but NOTHING BUT a scaremonger . . . is not name-calling,  check again what name-calling means. </p>
<p>To save you the surf, name-calling means â€œthe use of abusive names to belittle or humiliate another person in a political campaign, an argument, etc.â€</p>
<p>Verdict remains. Still guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Manila Bay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/12/farcical-procedures/comment-page-4/#comment-638727</link>
		<dc:creator>Manila Bay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dodong,

Your view is very simplistic -- in as much as we are into oversimplifications, think about this: no need to be a legislator to be able to change the rules in order to change the political landscape. 

Kingmakers (but never king) have often more powers than legislators; they are capable of changing the political landscape without being legislators. Also, in many countries under authoritarian rule don&#039;t have to be legislators to change their respective nations&#039; political landscape. 

As ever, dangerous to oversimplify things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dodong,</p>
<p>Your view is very simplistic &#8212; in as much as we are into oversimplifications, think about this: no need to be a legislator to be able to change the rules in order to change the political landscape. </p>
<p>Kingmakers (but never king) have often more powers than legislators; they are capable of changing the political landscape without being legislators. Also, in many countries under authoritarian rule don&#8217;t have to be legislators to change their respective nations&#8217; political landscape. </p>
<p>As ever, dangerous to oversimplify things.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watchful eyes, what&#039;s &quot;name-calling&quot; about prophet of doom?
the prophet daniel was one, prophesying about the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. yeah, perhaps &quot;prophet&quot; is too much to describe doronilla. he doesn&#039;t deserve the honor. i think &quot;doomsayer&quot; is more apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watchful eyes, what&#8217;s &#8220;name-calling&#8221; about prophet of doom?<br />
the prophet daniel was one, prophesying about the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. yeah, perhaps &#8220;prophet&#8221; is too much to describe doronilla. he doesn&#8217;t deserve the honor. i think &#8220;doomsayer&#8221; is more apt.</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ManilaBayWatch on, &quot;Funny, those words were similar to the words that Erap like to quote everytime he was challenged: â€œMag-presidente muna kayo!â€.

The task is challenging but if you want to change the political landscape, you change the rules. To change the rules, you have to be in position to change the rules - and that is to be lawmaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ManilaBayWatch on, &#8220;Funny, those words were similar to the words that Erap like to quote everytime he was challenged: â€œMag-presidente muna kayo!â€.</p>
<p>The task is challenging but if you want to change the political landscape, you change the rules. To change the rules, you have to be in position to change the rules &#8211; and that is to be lawmaker.</p>
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		<title>By: d0d0ng</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/12/farcical-procedures/comment-page-4/#comment-638557</link>
		<dc:creator>d0d0ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsinoy on, &quot;For me, reform is a two way street. We can;t keep on blaming the politicians for our countryâ€™s woes. We also have to look at ourselves in the mirror. Not because we donâ€™t whine about the politicosâ€™ actions, but more because we donâ€™t do anything to prevent it in the first place.&quot;

Knowing that education is a long process and depends largely who is at the driver seat, getting elected as lawmaker is the most viable option. We would love MLQ3 and others here to replace the politicos and change Philippine history for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsinoy on, &#8220;For me, reform is a two way street. We can;t keep on blaming the politicians for our countryâ€™s woes. We also have to look at ourselves in the mirror. Not because we donâ€™t whine about the politicosâ€™ actions, but more because we donâ€™t do anything to prevent it in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Knowing that education is a long process and depends largely who is at the driver seat, getting elected as lawmaker is the most viable option. We would love MLQ3 and others here to replace the politicos and change Philippine history for the better.</p>
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