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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-636299</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about, Benjie, you can&#039;t comport yourself like that even in a mock trial because you would just sound like arguing for a lost cause. 

Any way, Your Honors, I rest my case for now (hand extended  to Mr. Advocate).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about, Benjie, you can&#8217;t comport yourself like that even in a mock trial because you would just sound like arguing for a lost cause. </p>
<p>Any way, Your Honors, I rest my case for now (hand extended  to Mr. Advocate).</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-636254</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have to have your eyes checked. you are seeing things that aren&#039;t there. the difference between you and me is that you see &quot;rape&quot; in what is happening to the country but too weak, gutless and cowed to do something about it besides yakity-yakking. on the other hand, i see no such rape and so are the majority of the people who just are sick and tired of your rantings, trouble-making, rabble-rousing, and belly-aching with no tangible result except, perhaps, give senate seats to mentally-challenged characters.

right now, you are living under the protection of the very &quot;rule of law&quot; that you despise, otherwise you would either be in jail or dead. 

don&#039;t you patronize me. i have no reason to &quot;be too hard on myself&quot; and i never would. why should i subscribed to your line of aberrant thinking? believe what you want to believe but i&#039;m  absolutely certain i&#039;m not &quot;one of the lower forms&quot; that you are, and love to associate with, sore  eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have to have your eyes checked. you are seeing things that aren&#8217;t there. the difference between you and me is that you see &#8220;rape&#8221; in what is happening to the country but too weak, gutless and cowed to do something about it besides yakity-yakking. on the other hand, i see no such rape and so are the majority of the people who just are sick and tired of your rantings, trouble-making, rabble-rousing, and belly-aching with no tangible result except, perhaps, give senate seats to mentally-challenged characters.</p>
<p>right now, you are living under the protection of the very &#8220;rule of law&#8221; that you despise, otherwise you would either be in jail or dead. </p>
<p>don&#8217;t you patronize me. i have no reason to &#8220;be too hard on myself&#8221; and i never would. why should i subscribed to your line of aberrant thinking? believe what you want to believe but i&#8217;m  absolutely certain i&#8217;m not &#8220;one of the lower forms&#8221; that you are, and love to associate with, sore  eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-636042</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reiterate, my sincere apology again for the hypothetical. 

But as you see the purpose of it is to drive the point closer to home because I think you are losing it Benny, allowing yourself to be reduced to one track-mindedness which is not good for someone who claims to be a good trial lawyer. As a trial lawyer, you should be flexible enough to take both sides, shouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you? What happens if Ã¢â‚¬Å“I take the law into my handsÃ¢â‚¬Â and I hire you as my attorney? How easily could you reprogram your perception of the issues now if your loyalty is to personalities and not to ideas?

You see, just an aggrieved husband in the case of the hypothetical, a society is also entitled to self-defense against those who would undermine its institutions like, well, the Rule of Law. 

Think of the Pulido trickery at this juncture. ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you sickened by it at all? ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t we letting go a political rapist here because of a technicality, of your rule of law, the law of numbers and brute power? WouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t that be enough provocation in the law of self-defense in the larger context of political competition?

Benny donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be too hard on yourself. Only fools donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change their stands. cvj, manolo and others did when called for by their conscience. I honestly donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t believe you are one of the lower forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reiterate, my sincere apology again for the hypothetical. </p>
<p>But as you see the purpose of it is to drive the point closer to home because I think you are losing it Benny, allowing yourself to be reduced to one track-mindedness which is not good for someone who claims to be a good trial lawyer. As a trial lawyer, you should be flexible enough to take both sides, shouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you? What happens if Ã¢â‚¬Å“I take the law into my handsÃ¢â‚¬Â and I hire you as my attorney? How easily could you reprogram your perception of the issues now if your loyalty is to personalities and not to ideas?</p>
<p>You see, just an aggrieved husband in the case of the hypothetical, a society is also entitled to self-defense against those who would undermine its institutions like, well, the Rule of Law. </p>
<p>Think of the Pulido trickery at this juncture. ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you sickened by it at all? ArenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t we letting go a political rapist here because of a technicality, of your rule of law, the law of numbers and brute power? WouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t that be enough provocation in the law of self-defense in the larger context of political competition?</p>
<p>Benny donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t be too hard on yourself. Only fools donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t change their stands. cvj, manolo and others did when called for by their conscience. I honestly donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t believe you are one of the lower forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635960</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you know anything about law, self-defense and defense of relatives are complete justification for killing a person UNDER THE LAW. why would anyone watch his wife being being molested in front of him &quot;waiting&quot; for the cops to arrive unless he is a spineless coward. if that&#039;s what you think is happening to you, why don&#039;t you do something in defense of your wife instead of cowering in fear? 

applying your &quot;hypothetical&quot; to your &quot;problem&quot; with respect to pgma, if you think you are justified to take the law into your own hands, go ahead. let&#039;s see if you don&#039;t end up in jail, or dead in the confrontation with the law, at worst.

please please don&#039;t put me in a malicious &quot;hypothetical&quot; and be &quot;sincerely sorry&quot; for it as though it actually 
happened . i think that&#039;s the reason why there&#039;s so much cases of killings arising from deliberate provocations in political discussions in the philippines. can you not argue intellectually without personally infuriating your opponent and then say &quot;sorry&quot; for it at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you know anything about law, self-defense and defense of relatives are complete justification for killing a person UNDER THE LAW. why would anyone watch his wife being being molested in front of him &#8220;waiting&#8221; for the cops to arrive unless he is a spineless coward. if that&#8217;s what you think is happening to you, why don&#8217;t you do something in defense of your wife instead of cowering in fear? </p>
<p>applying your &#8220;hypothetical&#8221; to your &#8220;problem&#8221; with respect to pgma, if you think you are justified to take the law into your own hands, go ahead. let&#8217;s see if you don&#8217;t end up in jail, or dead in the confrontation with the law, at worst.</p>
<p>please please don&#8217;t put me in a malicious &#8220;hypothetical&#8221; and be &#8220;sincerely sorry&#8221; for it as though it actually<br />
happened . i think that&#8217;s the reason why there&#8217;s so much cases of killings arising from deliberate provocations in political discussions in the philippines. can you not argue intellectually without personally infuriating your opponent and then say &#8220;sorry&#8221; for it at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635555</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The equation could be that you are the Filipino People, your wife is our democracy, and the rape is the abuse of the electoral process by cheating and betrayal of trust. 

As you can see, so aggrieved you wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even wait to engage in the niceties of evidence presentation pursuant to the Rule of Law but you would simply take the law into your hands. Would you take that as something equivalent to people taking to the streets because angered by rank abuse of power?

And yet, what many Filipinos are simply patiently asking is an opportunity for the operation of the essence Rule of Law, no more, no less. Why should that be denied by the formalities of your rule of law?  

Without the impeachment trial, GMA will continue to claim legitimacy by the Comelec count. Without the rape trial, the sex is consensual by account of your cowardice to come out. 

ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no cheating and betrayal of public trust despite that the whole country heard the presidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s voice in the Garci tapes and there is no rape despite that you saw it committed in front of you.  If it is not proven in court it is not true.

Am I a coward? Maybe, maybe not. But IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m 100 percent certain of one thing. If I go by your rule of law, I am NOT unless otherwise you prove it in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The equation could be that you are the Filipino People, your wife is our democracy, and the rape is the abuse of the electoral process by cheating and betrayal of trust. </p>
<p>As you can see, so aggrieved you wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t even wait to engage in the niceties of evidence presentation pursuant to the Rule of Law but you would simply take the law into your hands. Would you take that as something equivalent to people taking to the streets because angered by rank abuse of power?</p>
<p>And yet, what many Filipinos are simply patiently asking is an opportunity for the operation of the essence Rule of Law, no more, no less. Why should that be denied by the formalities of your rule of law?  </p>
<p>Without the impeachment trial, GMA will continue to claim legitimacy by the Comelec count. Without the rape trial, the sex is consensual by account of your cowardice to come out. </p>
<p>ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no cheating and betrayal of public trust despite that the whole country heard the presidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s voice in the Garci tapes and there is no rape despite that you saw it committed in front of you.  If it is not proven in court it is not true.</p>
<p>Am I a coward? Maybe, maybe not. But IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m 100 percent certain of one thing. If I go by your rule of law, I am NOT unless otherwise you prove it in court.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635490</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i should not be debating with trolls like you. it&#039;s demeaning. i know just the right place for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i should not be debating with trolls like you. it&#8217;s demeaning. i know just the right place for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635482</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are being so insolent making your &quot;hypothetical&quot; too personal. &quot;sincere apology&quot; for what? i told you, it could only happen to cowards like you. didn&#039;t i say you would not find me cowering in fear if that happens to me? it looks like you are too dumb to understand my last posting after all, i.e. what would happen if there were no laws that you despise so much? you ought to be living in darfur or rwanda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are being so insolent making your &#8220;hypothetical&#8221; too personal. &#8220;sincere apology&#8221; for what? i told you, it could only happen to cowards like you. didn&#8217;t i say you would not find me cowering in fear if that happens to me? it looks like you are too dumb to understand my last posting after all, i.e. what would happen if there were no laws that you despise so much? you ought to be living in darfur or rwanda.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635461</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re right Ã¢â‚¬Å“your wife, your children, are easy prey unless you have the force to defend them.Ã¢â‚¬Â Some people only understand power, either by brute force or by sheer number and they equate might with right, or rule of law for that matter, without any compunction even if they know only they, or their sycophants, believe their own pretenses. Why, they have the power or the numbers anyway.  Rule of law?  Yeah right, tell that to the victims of power, like your wife in our hypothetical. My sincere apology for it, by the way. I just really want to drive home the point because you are getting hopeless Benny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re right Ã¢â‚¬Å“your wife, your children, are easy prey unless you have the force to defend them.Ã¢â‚¬Â Some people only understand power, either by brute force or by sheer number and they equate might with right, or rule of law for that matter, without any compunction even if they know only they, or their sycophants, believe their own pretenses. Why, they have the power or the numbers anyway.  Rule of law?  Yeah right, tell that to the victims of power, like your wife in our hypothetical. My sincere apology for it, by the way. I just really want to drive home the point because you are getting hopeless Benny.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchful eye</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635459</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchful eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There goes our hypothetical again: an armed stranger who broke into your house, abused your wife while you, totally overwhelmed by fear, was made to watch the dastard act, did not commit any crime simply because you are so damn a coward to report what happened to the authorities. No accused, no prosecution, no trial, no conviction, no crime and no criminal. There being no crime of rape, the sex between the stranger and your wife, witnessed by poor Benny boy, was consensual. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s rule of law for you buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There goes our hypothetical again: an armed stranger who broke into your house, abused your wife while you, totally overwhelmed by fear, was made to watch the dastard act, did not commit any crime simply because you are so damn a coward to report what happened to the authorities. No accused, no prosecution, no trial, no conviction, no crime and no criminal. There being no crime of rape, the sex between the stranger and your wife, witnessed by poor Benny boy, was consensual. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s rule of law for you buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/11/06/freedoms-marching-off-to-prison-in-pakistan/comment-page-4/#comment-635384</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ay_naku, you make intelligent observation that&#039;s why i&#039;m engaging you in this conversation. please don&#039;t think i&#039;m patronizing you in saying that.

our government exists and continues to exist because of the rule of law. in fact, our nation&#039;s very existence depends on law. without it, there will no philippines as a state but a geographical place populated by millions of independent, self-governing families whose relationship with each other relies chiefly on their respective weaponry and killing machines. you survive by eating what you can produce and protect from covetous neighbors who will take it if you were not strong enough to resist. you cannot sell anything because the only payment you can expect are bullets from a gun&#039;s barrel. your wife, your children, are easy prey unless you have the force to defend them. 

we cannot escape law in our life. it is as essential as the air we breath, the water we drink, the food we eat. 

if you think you have no redress for your anger and dissatisfaction with pgma following the rule of law, just be patient and wait for the right process to take its course. her &quot;unwillingness&quot; to help her accusers prove their case(s) against her is not unlawful. if you think it is politically incorrect, let her face the verdict of history. she will not be president for all her life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ay_naku, you make intelligent observation that&#8217;s why i&#8217;m engaging you in this conversation. please don&#8217;t think i&#8217;m patronizing you in saying that.</p>
<p>our government exists and continues to exist because of the rule of law. in fact, our nation&#8217;s very existence depends on law. without it, there will no philippines as a state but a geographical place populated by millions of independent, self-governing families whose relationship with each other relies chiefly on their respective weaponry and killing machines. you survive by eating what you can produce and protect from covetous neighbors who will take it if you were not strong enough to resist. you cannot sell anything because the only payment you can expect are bullets from a gun&#8217;s barrel. your wife, your children, are easy prey unless you have the force to defend them. </p>
<p>we cannot escape law in our life. it is as essential as the air we breath, the water we drink, the food we eat. </p>
<p>if you think you have no redress for your anger and dissatisfaction with pgma following the rule of law, just be patient and wait for the right process to take its course. her &#8220;unwillingness&#8221; to help her accusers prove their case(s) against her is not unlawful. if you think it is politically incorrect, let her face the verdict of history. she will not be president for all her life.</p>
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