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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597810</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramrod, posted another link...will have to wait for Manolo&#039;s approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramrod, posted another link&#8230;will have to wait for Manolo&#8217;s approval.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597809</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramrod, here&#039;s an additional link.  Hope it&#039;s clearer.

http://articles.wallstraits.net/articles/1376</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramrod, here&#8217;s an additional link.  Hope it&#8217;s clearer.</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.wallstraits.net/articles/1376" rel="nofollow">http://articles.wallstraits.net/articles/1376</a></p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597806</link>
		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m entitled to my opinion or I have a right to my opinion is a common declaration in rhetoric or debate that can be made in an attempt to persuade others to hold the opinion. When asserted for this reason, the statement exemplifies an informal logical fallacy of the type red herring. Whether one has a particular entitlement or right is irrelevant to whether an opinion is true or false. To assert the existence of the right is a failure to assert any justification for the opinion.

It can sometimes be an instance of the formal fallacy of equivocation when any of the various concepts of &#039;a right&#039; - legal rights, natural rights or entitlement are confused.&quot;

cvj,

All this rhetorical mumbo jumbo is as alien to me as Mandarin or French.  Please write in English, us salesmen can&#039;t keep up. hehehe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m entitled to my opinion or I have a right to my opinion is a common declaration in rhetoric or debate that can be made in an attempt to persuade others to hold the opinion. When asserted for this reason, the statement exemplifies an informal logical fallacy of the type red herring. Whether one has a particular entitlement or right is irrelevant to whether an opinion is true or false. To assert the existence of the right is a failure to assert any justification for the opinion.</p>
<p>It can sometimes be an instance of the formal fallacy of equivocation when any of the various concepts of &#8216;a right&#8217; &#8211; legal rights, natural rights or entitlement are confused.&#8221;</p>
<p>cvj,</p>
<p>All this rhetorical mumbo jumbo is as alien to me as Mandarin or French.  Please write in English, us salesmen can&#8217;t keep up. hehehe</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597799</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, bad link above.  Try this instead (just add &quot;http&quot; in front):

&quot;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_entitled_to_my_opinion&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, bad link above.  Try this instead (just add &#8220;http&#8221; in front):</p>
<p>&#8220;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_entitled_to_my_opinion&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597734</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597732</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggested reading for Karah et. al.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I&#039;m_entitled_to_my_opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggested reading for Karah et. al.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I</a>&#8216;m_entitled_to_my_opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597637</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll hold my peace this time. i wouldn&#039;t spoil it for karah for anything in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll hold my peace this time. i wouldn&#8217;t spoil it for karah for anything in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/10/06/san-luis-the-new-marcoleta/comment-page-7/#comment-597631</link>
		<dc:creator>ramrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj,

Good luck telling that to karah, the feisty &quot;annie&quot; of cyberspace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj,</p>
<p>Good luck telling that to karah, the feisty &#8220;annie&#8221; of cyberspace.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard is right.  I wasn&#039;t pulling Karah&#039;s leg.  The distinction between the right to free speech and the right to an opinion is not mere semantics.   Karah&#039;s right to free speech means that no one has the right to silence her because that would infringe on her right. In short, her right to free speech gives rise to our duty &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; to silence her.

In contrast, there is no corresponding duty to agree with (or even listen to) her opinion.  Anyone is free to agree, disagree, or disregard anyone else&#039;s opinion. It is the person who puts forward an opinion who is  duty bound to justify or defend it using facts, logic or an appeal to values.  Hiding behind the &#039;right to an opinion&#039; does not qualify as a valid defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard is right.  I wasn&#8217;t pulling Karah&#8217;s leg.  The distinction between the right to free speech and the right to an opinion is not mere semantics.   Karah&#8217;s right to free speech means that no one has the right to silence her because that would infringe on her right. In short, her right to free speech gives rise to our duty <b>not</b> to silence her.</p>
<p>In contrast, there is no corresponding duty to agree with (or even listen to) her opinion.  Anyone is free to agree, disagree, or disregard anyone else&#8217;s opinion. It is the person who puts forward an opinion who is  duty bound to justify or defend it using facts, logic or an appeal to values.  Hiding behind the &#8216;right to an opinion&#8217; does not qualify as a valid defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those who are following the little exchanges in this and the &quot;free burma&quot; threads in this blog concerning military discipline and &quot;adventurism&quot;, here&#039;s a recent article which i find interesting:


Dissent on The Front

     Are there consequences for soldiers who write publicly, and prominently, against the war? Eight are finding out. &quot;We have failed on every promise,&quot; wrote seven 82nd Airborne paratroopers in a stark dispatch from Baghdad that was the lead Sunday op-ed in the New York Times Aug. 19. Superiors at Fort Bragg were surprised - but not professors at Marquette, where Sp. Buddhika Jayamaha, whose name led the op-ed, had studied. One, Barrett McCormick, said he e-mailed with &quot;BJ&quot; recently. He was very curious about what was going to happen,&quot; he says. &quot;No one knows what the repercussions will be.&quot;

     There might not be any. Army policies permit soldiers to write or blog as long as they don&#039;t compromise operational security (e.g., troop locations) or challenge civilian leadership. Until it is established that they violated any regulations, they will not be punished just for their views,&quot; said Army spokesman Maj. Tom Earnhardt.

     The future is murkier for Pvt. Scott Beauchamp, whose shocking tales in The New Republic - including a soldier wearing a fragment of a child&#039;s skull - were disputed by bloggers, notably at The Weekly Standard. The influential magazine, which in 1998 was hurt badly by a writer&#039;s serial fabrications, said in two editor&#039;s notes it had re-reported Beauchamp&#039;s work and stood by it, except for one error: one anecdote took place in Kuwait, not Iraq.

      But the editors have had no contact with Beauchamp in weeks, and efforts to corroborate his work have stalled. His wife, Elspeth Reeve, a fact checker at the magazine, said his laptop and cell phone had been confiscated; that he is permitted to speak only to her, his mother and a lawyer; and tha some calls are supervised. But the Army said Beauchamp has no restrictions on his communications. (Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.)   

      The New Republic is waiting to talk to Beauchamp, leaving its critics unchallenged. &quot;It&#039;s maddening,&quot; says editor Franklin Foe. How long can an editor ask readers to wait? &quot;It&#039;s important to try to be thorough...If it takes time, there&#039;s nothing we can do about it.&quot; Army spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl said its inquiry is ongoing at the unit level. Beauchamp cannot be punished for his views, but he faces the possibility of administrative, or noncriminal, charge if the Army determines he lied in his writings.
                   Nick Summers and Catharine Skipp
                   Newsweek, 9/3/2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those who are following the little exchanges in this and the &#8220;free burma&#8221; threads in this blog concerning military discipline and &#8220;adventurism&#8221;, here&#8217;s a recent article which i find interesting:</p>
<p>Dissent on The Front</p>
<p>     Are there consequences for soldiers who write publicly, and prominently, against the war? Eight are finding out. &#8220;We have failed on every promise,&#8221; wrote seven 82nd Airborne paratroopers in a stark dispatch from Baghdad that was the lead Sunday op-ed in the New York Times Aug. 19. Superiors at Fort Bragg were surprised &#8211; but not professors at Marquette, where Sp. Buddhika Jayamaha, whose name led the op-ed, had studied. One, Barrett McCormick, said he e-mailed with &#8220;BJ&#8221; recently. He was very curious about what was going to happen,&#8221; he says. &#8220;No one knows what the repercussions will be.&#8221;</p>
<p>     There might not be any. Army policies permit soldiers to write or blog as long as they don&#8217;t compromise operational security (e.g., troop locations) or challenge civilian leadership. Until it is established that they violated any regulations, they will not be punished just for their views,&#8221; said Army spokesman Maj. Tom Earnhardt.</p>
<p>     The future is murkier for Pvt. Scott Beauchamp, whose shocking tales in The New Republic &#8211; including a soldier wearing a fragment of a child&#8217;s skull &#8211; were disputed by bloggers, notably at The Weekly Standard. The influential magazine, which in 1998 was hurt badly by a writer&#8217;s serial fabrications, said in two editor&#8217;s notes it had re-reported Beauchamp&#8217;s work and stood by it, except for one error: one anecdote took place in Kuwait, not Iraq.</p>
<p>      But the editors have had no contact with Beauchamp in weeks, and efforts to corroborate his work have stalled. His wife, Elspeth Reeve, a fact checker at the magazine, said his laptop and cell phone had been confiscated; that he is permitted to speak only to her, his mother and a lawyer; and tha some calls are supervised. But the Army said Beauchamp has no restrictions on his communications. (Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.)   </p>
<p>      The New Republic is waiting to talk to Beauchamp, leaving its critics unchallenged. &#8220;It&#8217;s maddening,&#8221; says editor Franklin Foe. How long can an editor ask readers to wait? &#8220;It&#8217;s important to try to be thorough&#8230;If it takes time, there&#8217;s nothing we can do about it.&#8221; Army spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl said its inquiry is ongoing at the unit level. Beauchamp cannot be punished for his views, but he faces the possibility of administrative, or noncriminal, charge if the Army determines he lied in his writings.<br />
                   Nick Summers and Catharine Skipp<br />
                   Newsweek, 9/3/2007</p>
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