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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-592570</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mbw, agree. i wont fan the flames any further. sorry for wasting your time. not for me though. i&#039;m just one persistent person. my only regret, the response did not reach 200. :) till the next time and peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mbw, agree. i wont fan the flames any further. sorry for wasting your time. not for me though. i&#8217;m just one persistent person. my only regret, the response did not reach 200. <img src='http://www.quezon.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  till the next time and peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Manila Bay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-592403</link>
		<dc:creator>Manila Bay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grd,

OK, Re &quot;As for Europeans being corrupt, okay, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll qualify my statement. Could it be that only when they are overseas? &quot;

Maybe so, can&#039;t honestly be categorical but has it ever occurred to you that they may just be following the old rule &quot;When in Rome do what the Romans do?&quot;

Also, as to your &quot;being prim and proper&quot; resentment, are you happy about that or unhappy? Besides, I believe you should look back at hundreds of my comments in Mlq3&#039;s blog so you can properly determine what you really mean by being prim and proper.

Let&#039;s say that I&#039;m perfectly capable of throwing you turd if you start going overboard but again, that would be useless. I&#039;d rather focus on throwing turds at corrupt politicians, corrupt powers that be, etc. I wouldn&#039;t want to waste my time on you unless you are one of those powers that be. (As it is, I should be reading the latest blog thread by Manolo here more seriously - instead of typing away to exchange &quot;pleasantries&quot; with you, talk of wasting time!)

So till the next time, I propose we agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grd,</p>
<p>OK, Re &#8220;As for Europeans being corrupt, okay, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll qualify my statement. Could it be that only when they are overseas? &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe so, can&#8217;t honestly be categorical but has it ever occurred to you that they may just be following the old rule &#8220;When in Rome do what the Romans do?&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, as to your &#8220;being prim and proper&#8221; resentment, are you happy about that or unhappy? Besides, I believe you should look back at hundreds of my comments in Mlq3&#8242;s blog so you can properly determine what you really mean by being prim and proper.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that I&#8217;m perfectly capable of throwing you turd if you start going overboard but again, that would be useless. I&#8217;d rather focus on throwing turds at corrupt politicians, corrupt powers that be, etc. I wouldn&#8217;t want to waste my time on you unless you are one of those powers that be. (As it is, I should be reading the latest blog thread by Manolo here more seriously &#8211; instead of typing away to exchange &#8220;pleasantries&#8221; with you, talk of wasting time!)</p>
<p>So till the next time, I propose we agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-592240</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok manolo, got it and thanks for the clarification. appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok manolo, got it and thanks for the clarification. appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-592148</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, a reporter has to get all sides. a columnist, if presenting something and later someone onjects, should then accord the other side a chance to rebut if they want to.

you have to presume that ellen didn&#039;t print the letter without doing her own checking to see if the matter was sufficiently important to publish. where ellen would be culpable is, if after her column came out, she refused to give the side of the principal. there&#039;s also the possibility that informing the principal beforehand might have led to reprisals against the student(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, a reporter has to get all sides. a columnist, if presenting something and later someone onjects, should then accord the other side a chance to rebut if they want to.</p>
<p>you have to presume that ellen didn&#8217;t print the letter without doing her own checking to see if the matter was sufficiently important to publish. where ellen would be culpable is, if after her column came out, she refused to give the side of the principal. there&#8217;s also the possibility that informing the principal beforehand might have led to reprisals against the student(s).</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-592014</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;grd, ellen is a reputable and conscientious journalist. she does not print what she hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t verified through her own research or cross-checking via various sources.Ã¢â‚¬Â

mlq3, maybe on her obsessions about issues such as the military activities, coup trials and all about gloria. but how sure are you about her being a conscientious journalist at all times? i think thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s disputable. there&#039;s one article she wrote in her Malaya column (itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s in her blog too) printing a report about a school sent by one anonymous parent(?) complaining about certain school policies/activities. isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it the normal thing for a journalist to check the veracity of that letter before even printing it? the principal of that school sent her own letter to clarify the said complaint and explain her side of the story. she further said something about her good reputation being tarnished because of this unverified report and without the writer even bothering to check or clarify things w/ her office. that letter again was bombarded w/ insults from the regulars (of course in defense of ellen). is it the other way around now? the accused has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she is not guilty of the crime? i really canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see the fairness with that act. itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s really disappointing. how can you repair the damage if it has been done? being a journalist or in the media profession, you have that power and undue advantage to make or destroy someoneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s reputation. but responsibilities also comes with it. it should not be abused. what iÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m saying is, there should  be some kind of self-regulation w/in your ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;grd, ellen is a reputable and conscientious journalist. she does not print what she hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t verified through her own research or cross-checking via various sources.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>mlq3, maybe on her obsessions about issues such as the military activities, coup trials and all about gloria. but how sure are you about her being a conscientious journalist at all times? i think thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s disputable. there&#8217;s one article she wrote in her Malaya column (itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s in her blog too) printing a report about a school sent by one anonymous parent(?) complaining about certain school policies/activities. isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it the normal thing for a journalist to check the veracity of that letter before even printing it? the principal of that school sent her own letter to clarify the said complaint and explain her side of the story. she further said something about her good reputation being tarnished because of this unverified report and without the writer even bothering to check or clarify things w/ her office. that letter again was bombarded w/ insults from the regulars (of course in defense of ellen). is it the other way around now? the accused has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he/she is not guilty of the crime? i really canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see the fairness with that act. itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s really disappointing. how can you repair the damage if it has been done? being a journalist or in the media profession, you have that power and undue advantage to make or destroy someoneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s reputation. but responsibilities also comes with it. it should not be abused. what iÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m saying is, there should  be some kind of self-regulation w/in your ranks.</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-591961</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mbw,

IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a failure. I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get through your vaunted jagged wits. Oh well, I can live with that.  

Re: your being regular of both blogs, did you spot the difference? WhatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s anyway with that dual personality? I mean, here being prim and proper while over there like an unchained wild cat ala lady Miriam together w/ your ilk spewing tons of volcanic hatred in all directions (ahh cynicism ). But does it really help? Some kind of a therapy maybe as advised by doc (I understand the stress with your line of work). Or itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just really about that old adage Ã¢â‚¬Å“when youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re in Rome, act like the RomansÃ¢â‚¬Â. But you know, over there youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re committing also the C act. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s called CORRUPTION OF THE MIND.  

As for Europeans being corrupt, okay, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll qualify my statement. Could it be that only when they are overseas? 

Anyway, agree with what youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re saying, this is an exercise in futility. So better end the story now. 

But I wish I can experience living in your Ã¢â‚¬Å“realÃ¢â‚¬Â world maybe just for a moment. It must be heaven in there. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mbw,</p>
<p>IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a failure. I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get through your vaunted jagged wits. Oh well, I can live with that.  </p>
<p>Re: your being regular of both blogs, did you spot the difference? WhatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s anyway with that dual personality? I mean, here being prim and proper while over there like an unchained wild cat ala lady Miriam together w/ your ilk spewing tons of volcanic hatred in all directions (ahh cynicism ). But does it really help? Some kind of a therapy maybe as advised by doc (I understand the stress with your line of work). Or itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just really about that old adage Ã¢â‚¬Å“when youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re in Rome, act like the RomansÃ¢â‚¬Â. But you know, over there youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re committing also the C act. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s called CORRUPTION OF THE MIND.  </p>
<p>As for Europeans being corrupt, okay, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll qualify my statement. Could it be that only when they are overseas? </p>
<p>Anyway, agree with what youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re saying, this is an exercise in futility. So better end the story now. </p>
<p>But I wish I can experience living in your Ã¢â‚¬Å“realÃ¢â‚¬Â world maybe just for a moment. It must be heaven in there. <img src='http://www.quezon.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-591952</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grd, ellen is a reputable and conscientious journalist. she does not print what she hasn&#039;t verified through her own research or cross-checking via various sources. people wouldn&#039;t be issuing death threats if she weren&#039;t on to something. neither does she try to hide her sympathies, to which she&#039;s entitled, and disclosure of her sympathies is all she owes her readers.

she&#039;s a brave woman, does not take payola, and does not lie in her writings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grd, ellen is a reputable and conscientious journalist. she does not print what she hasn&#8217;t verified through her own research or cross-checking via various sources. people wouldn&#8217;t be issuing death threats if she weren&#8217;t on to something. neither does she try to hide her sympathies, to which she&#8217;s entitled, and disclosure of her sympathies is all she owes her readers.</p>
<p>she&#8217;s a brave woman, does not take payola, and does not lie in her writings.</p>
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		<title>By: Manila Bay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-591759</link>
		<dc:creator>Manila Bay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you trying to discuss the alleged act of corruption by BAe or are you trying to get back at me for being a regular poster at Ellenville (just like I am here)? I honestly can&#039;t understand what you&#039;re trying to drive at? 

Anyway, this is not going anywhere -- an exercise in futility.

Have tried to answer your questions but you are not prepared for anything other than what you &quot;THOUGHT&quot;... 

You need to overhaul your thinking, discover other places, talk with people other than your corrupt superiors, read things other than your &quot;sex scandal&quot; in Saudi Arabia, etc., perhaps then you will realize that your blanket assertion that &quot;Europeans are all corrupt from top to bottom&quot; is just a pure product of your imagination.

You are too warped in your own cynicsm that it would take a great deal of patience to get you out of that sorry state of mind. I can&#039;t be your father confessor (and I don&#039;t want to be) so I don&#039;t see any point continuing this discussion - much too difficult to play father confessor to a cynic for a simple sailor like me.

Last thing: &quot;Now, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know with your perfect world you might be doing things differently.&quot; 

You wouldn&#039;t know now, would you? Not unless you carry  out a re-hauling of your entire thinking but if I have a piece of advice, take it or leave it, this is what it is: There&#039;s a whole world of politics that that you should try to discover beyond the confines of the corrupt company that employs you...being an eternal cynic will not help.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you trying to discuss the alleged act of corruption by BAe or are you trying to get back at me for being a regular poster at Ellenville (just like I am here)? I honestly can&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re trying to drive at? </p>
<p>Anyway, this is not going anywhere &#8212; an exercise in futility.</p>
<p>Have tried to answer your questions but you are not prepared for anything other than what you &#8220;THOUGHT&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>You need to overhaul your thinking, discover other places, talk with people other than your corrupt superiors, read things other than your &#8220;sex scandal&#8221; in Saudi Arabia, etc., perhaps then you will realize that your blanket assertion that &#8220;Europeans are all corrupt from top to bottom&#8221; is just a pure product of your imagination.</p>
<p>You are too warped in your own cynicsm that it would take a great deal of patience to get you out of that sorry state of mind. I can&#8217;t be your father confessor (and I don&#8217;t want to be) so I don&#8217;t see any point continuing this discussion &#8211; much too difficult to play father confessor to a cynic for a simple sailor like me.</p>
<p>Last thing: &#8220;Now, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know with your perfect world you might be doing things differently.&#8221; </p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t know now, would you? Not unless you carry  out a re-hauling of your entire thinking but if I have a piece of advice, take it or leave it, this is what it is: There&#8217;s a whole world of politics that that you should try to discover beyond the confines of the corrupt company that employs you&#8230;being an eternal cynic will not help.</p>
<p>End of story!</p>
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		<title>By: Manila Bay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-591739</link>
		<dc:creator>Manila Bay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;But I thought your company has interest on this case since youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re the competitor, you can actually file a complain to OECD.&quot;

Grd,

You&#039;re going way over the top... how on earth did you even presume that my company was asking for another company, their competitor in general, for an investigation into your BAe scandal?

Problem with you is you think that because you thought then it&#039;s what things are supposed to be.

Get a grip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;But I thought your company has interest on this case since youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re the competitor, you can actually file a complain to OECD.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grd,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re going way over the top&#8230; how on earth did you even presume that my company was asking for another company, their competitor in general, for an investigation into your BAe scandal?</p>
<p>Problem with you is you think that because you thought then it&#8217;s what things are supposed to be.</p>
<p>Get a grip!</p>
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		<title>By: grd</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/26/liveblogging-will-be-at-inquirer-current-2/comment-page-4/#comment-591698</link>
		<dc:creator>grd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“But if you know that thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s theft being committed, why donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you report it to the company hqs or if not, you can contact the OECD yourself and reveal the corruption practices being committed by your company?

Bottom line is if you truly believe that the company is that corrupt, why receive money emanating from corruption? DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t understand! Why be complicit or be an accessory to corruption? Resign!Ã¢â‚¬Â


Mbw,

Ah, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re too naÃƒÂ¯ve about what you say report the corruption to the higher ups. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not really for us to do it. Just an analogy, your company cannot even report or complain to OECD the anomalous practices of your competitor how much I whoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just an ordinary employee? But donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get me wrong again, our projects are legitimate. It maybe overpriced (I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know the figures) based on the lavish spendings of our officials and their families but it doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t concern us anymore. 

As what Cat commented in the other thread re: Emron, Ã¢â‚¬Å“It is not only greed. It is also power and accessibility to the resources.Ã¢â‚¬Â ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s what driving these people to commit such abuses. But what we filipinos (I and the other staffs) receive here are the fruits of our hardwork. I never stole anything from the company and I am not complaining either. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m just giving you the facts about corruption that it happens everywhere big and small. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not us only but also our other competitors, clients, suppliers, etc.. In an imperfect world that I and others live, these corruptions that you are defining exist and thriving normally. We see it face to face everyday. Treating our clients, giving them favors for their personal requests, likewise, our suppliers treating us also, giving us company souvenirs, you name it. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s how it is in our world. And yes, in a way I am not clean since I&#039;m part of that system. I have endured and tolerated it. Now, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know with your perfect world you might be doing things differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“But if you know that thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s theft being committed, why donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you report it to the company hqs or if not, you can contact the OECD yourself and reveal the corruption practices being committed by your company?</p>
<p>Bottom line is if you truly believe that the company is that corrupt, why receive money emanating from corruption? DonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t understand! Why be complicit or be an accessory to corruption? Resign!Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>Mbw,</p>
<p>Ah, youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re too naÃƒÂ¯ve about what you say report the corruption to the higher ups. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not really for us to do it. Just an analogy, your company cannot even report or complain to OECD the anomalous practices of your competitor how much I whoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just an ordinary employee? But donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get me wrong again, our projects are legitimate. It maybe overpriced (I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know the figures) based on the lavish spendings of our officials and their families but it doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t concern us anymore. </p>
<p>As what Cat commented in the other thread re: Emron, Ã¢â‚¬Å“It is not only greed. It is also power and accessibility to the resources.Ã¢â‚¬Â ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s what driving these people to commit such abuses. But what we filipinos (I and the other staffs) receive here are the fruits of our hardwork. I never stole anything from the company and I am not complaining either. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m just giving you the facts about corruption that it happens everywhere big and small. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not us only but also our other competitors, clients, suppliers, etc.. In an imperfect world that I and others live, these corruptions that you are defining exist and thriving normally. We see it face to face everyday. Treating our clients, giving them favors for their personal requests, likewise, our suppliers treating us also, giving us company souvenirs, you name it. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s how it is in our world. And yes, in a way I am not clean since I&#8217;m part of that system. I have endured and tolerated it. Now, I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know with your perfect world you might be doing things differently.</p>
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