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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-5/#comment-581684</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg, too bad that i don&#039;t sport a goatee in either Universe.

Rego, your Ateneo professor friend should follow the ZTE hearings to see for himself how much his &#039;&lt;i&gt;make Malacanang a prison&lt;/i&gt;&#039; suggestion is such a dumbass idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg, too bad that i don&#8217;t sport a goatee in either Universe.</p>
<p>Rego, your Ateneo professor friend should follow the ZTE hearings to see for himself how much his &#8216;<i>make Malacanang a prison</i>&#8216; suggestion is such a dumbass idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeg</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-5/#comment-581526</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you mean about the parallel universes. I dont think it&#039;s the database. We are caught in a trans-dimensional flux. Make sure you leave a note in writing not to call the doctors when your housemates or office co-workers find you seemingly dead. Tell them your consciousness could be in the other dimension and you should return soon.

Too bad Dean Alfar&#039;s deadline for his anthology has passed. This story couldve been a doozy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you mean about the parallel universes. I dont think it&#8217;s the database. We are caught in a trans-dimensional flux. Make sure you leave a note in writing not to call the doctors when your housemates or office co-workers find you seemingly dead. Tell them your consciousness could be in the other dimension and you should return soon.</p>
<p>Too bad Dean Alfar&#8217;s deadline for his anthology has passed. This story couldve been a doozy!</p>
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		<title>By: rego</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-5/#comment-581512</link>
		<dc:creator>rego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice in waiting,

Di ko ma get ng husto  kung ano talaga ang tanong mo, pero susubukin ko pa ring sasagot sa paraang ng pagka unawa ko... 

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&quot;Would you think evidence against Estrada, a single one of them including the jueting kickbacks, the excise tobacco taxes withdrawal would stick if say for example it was his Ã¢â‚¬Å“ErapÃ¢â‚¬Â (Buddy) who is in Malacanang?&quot;

----NO, there will be cover-up I guess. This is exactly the reason why I pushing for an independent person for 2010. ( from Gloria and Erap)  So there will be no cover-ups.

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&quot;And would you think if the investigation against Mike Arroyo will not go Ã¢â‚¬Å“full steam ahead if Gloria was overthrown and both of them are charged of any Crime?&quot;

----Palagay ko mag kakaroon ng full investiagtion pag na overthrow si Gloria. Pero dahil hindi pa naman sya naooverthrow. malamAng yung full investigation ay mangyayari na lamang pag wala na sya sa poder.

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&quot;Weder, weder lang yan, kung sin-o na sa poder may evidensiya, pag wala, pasensiyaÃ¢â‚¬Â¦that is the rule of law as it stands now.&quot;

---Sorry di ko tagal makuha ang ibig sabihin nito, pwedeng pakipaliwanag pa ng husto.. 

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&quot;Show me any in the administration that is not coated with Ã¢â‚¬Å“TeflonÃ¢â‚¬Â and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll show you a fully cloth deposed emperor.&quot;

--- No, I cant show you one becuse I dont excatly undertand what you meant by &quot;covered with teflon&quot;
(I know what is teflon tape, of course). Can you still show me a fully cloth deposed emperor. Im  not obliging you only if you would be so happy to show me one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice in waiting,</p>
<p>Di ko ma get ng husto  kung ano talaga ang tanong mo, pero susubukin ko pa ring sasagot sa paraang ng pagka unawa ko&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
&#8220;Would you think evidence against Estrada, a single one of them including the jueting kickbacks, the excise tobacco taxes withdrawal would stick if say for example it was his Ã¢â‚¬Å“ErapÃ¢â‚¬Â (Buddy) who is in Malacanang?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;-NO, there will be cover-up I guess. This is exactly the reason why I pushing for an independent person for 2010. ( from Gloria and Erap)  So there will be no cover-ups.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&#8220;And would you think if the investigation against Mike Arroyo will not go Ã¢â‚¬Å“full steam ahead if Gloria was overthrown and both of them are charged of any Crime?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;-Palagay ko mag kakaroon ng full investiagtion pag na overthrow si Gloria. Pero dahil hindi pa naman sya naooverthrow. malamAng yung full investigation ay mangyayari na lamang pag wala na sya sa poder.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&#8220;Weder, weder lang yan, kung sin-o na sa poder may evidensiya, pag wala, pasensiyaÃ¢â‚¬Â¦that is the rule of law as it stands now.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;Sorry di ko tagal makuha ang ibig sabihin nito, pwedeng pakipaliwanag pa ng husto.. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;Show me any in the administration that is not coated with Ã¢â‚¬Å“TeflonÃ¢â‚¬Â and IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll show you a fully cloth deposed emperor.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212; No, I cant show you one becuse I dont excatly undertand what you meant by &#8220;covered with teflon&#8221;<br />
(I know what is teflon tape, of course). Can you still show me a fully cloth deposed emperor. Im  not obliging you only if you would be so happy to show me one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rego</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-5/#comment-581504</link>
		<dc:creator>rego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRD,

I dont think there was a double standard in my part. I wanted to get rid of Gloria and have her prosecuted for the her alleged crimes the same way that you do.

I think the our differences lie on how to go afater her. I made my stand very clearly. I wanted to to follow the existing rules and laws on presecuting a sitting president. And thats is impeachment. I did not and will not insist on resignation because she already indicated that she wont resign. And I beleive  that is her prerogative and she all the right not to resign. Call her thick face or any ugly words you want at the higest decibel of your voice as you can. But still it doesn&#039;t change that fact that the decision to resign will only come from her. 

The impeachment is not working and  there seem to be no move to impeach her anymore. I still would want the opposition to file impeachment until the very end of her term. And if we can impeach her. Then there is no other option but to prosecute her after her immunity is  
gone and that is when she no longer  a president.

Now I give you my may of doing it,  so what is yours?  I havent exactly read your comments indicating what is your way of getting rid of Gloria. Why dont lay them here so we can discuss the viability and doability of such option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GRD,</p>
<p>I dont think there was a double standard in my part. I wanted to get rid of Gloria and have her prosecuted for the her alleged crimes the same way that you do.</p>
<p>I think the our differences lie on how to go afater her. I made my stand very clearly. I wanted to to follow the existing rules and laws on presecuting a sitting president. And thats is impeachment. I did not and will not insist on resignation because she already indicated that she wont resign. And I beleive  that is her prerogative and she all the right not to resign. Call her thick face or any ugly words you want at the higest decibel of your voice as you can. But still it doesn&#8217;t change that fact that the decision to resign will only come from her. </p>
<p>The impeachment is not working and  there seem to be no move to impeach her anymore. I still would want the opposition to file impeachment until the very end of her term. And if we can impeach her. Then there is no other option but to prosecute her after her immunity is<br />
gone and that is when she no longer  a president.</p>
<p>Now I give you my may of doing it,  so what is yours?  I havent exactly read your comments indicating what is your way of getting rid of Gloria. Why dont lay them here so we can discuss the viability and doability of such option.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-5/#comment-581496</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard, i believe that particular set of comments will reappear shortly, and these ones will disappear.  The cycle will repeat itself until the two database replicas are synchronized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard, i believe that particular set of comments will reappear shortly, and these ones will disappear.  The cycle will repeat itself until the two database replicas are synchronized.</p>
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		<title>By: taga de cebu</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-4/#comment-581493</link>
		<dc:creator>taga de cebu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CVJ:Ronaldo Puno could be the only person keeping the dark secret behind the three regimes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVJ:Ronaldo Puno could be the only person keeping the dark secret behind the three regimes!</p>
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		<title>By: tonio</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-4/#comment-581485</link>
		<dc:creator>tonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not that they meant much, but yeah... my stuff on this thread disappeared too. weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not that they meant much, but yeah&#8230; my stuff on this thread disappeared too. weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-4/#comment-581440</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now you see it, now you don&#039;t! practically all my most recent comments have been lost. early last night (edt), they appeared only to disappear later. they appeared again this morning only to vanish once more as of this posting. what gives? i know its happening to most of the other posters.
only manolo&#039;s entries appear to be untouchable. then again, he&#039;s the host, right? (just kidding, mlq3).

thanks, cvj for saving them in your &quot;parallel universe&quot;. see, i don&#039;t know how to save my comments. often, i have to reconstruct them from memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now you see it, now you don&#8217;t! practically all my most recent comments have been lost. early last night (edt), they appeared only to disappear later. they appeared again this morning only to vanish once more as of this posting. what gives? i know its happening to most of the other posters.<br />
only manolo&#8217;s entries appear to be untouchable. then again, he&#8217;s the host, right? (just kidding, mlq3).</p>
<p>thanks, cvj for saving them in your &#8220;parallel universe&#8221;. see, i don&#8217;t know how to save my comments. often, i have to reconstruct them from memory.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-4/#comment-581256</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TDC, i remember it was the father, Ricardo Puno who served under Marcos (as Justice Minister).  Anyway, i&#039;ve always seen the Puno family as making available their considerable intellect and managerial talent in the service of the current Dark Lord, whoever he/she may be.   Maybe they have to fulfill some sort of pact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TDC, i remember it was the father, Ricardo Puno who served under Marcos (as Justice Minister).  Anyway, i&#8217;ve always seen the Puno family as making available their considerable intellect and managerial talent in the service of the current Dark Lord, whoever he/she may be.   Maybe they have to fulfill some sort of pact.</p>
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		<title>By: taga de cebu</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/13/gratuitous-punishments/comment-page-4/#comment-581244</link>
		<dc:creator>taga de cebu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronaldo Puno:Poltical Adviser to three president (GMA,ERAP,MARCOS)

1)DILG Secretary Ronald Puno is president of the Kabalikat ng Malayang Pilipino (Partner of the Free Filipino) or Kampi, the party formed by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in 1998. 

2)DILG chief to former President ERAP.  

3)Puno served as assistant DILG secretary during the MARCOS regime  


Why was/is Ronnie Puno such a sought-after presidential adviser during the GMA/ERAP/MARCOS administratons???

Your comments pls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronaldo Puno:Poltical Adviser to three president (GMA,ERAP,MARCOS)</p>
<p>1)DILG Secretary Ronald Puno is president of the Kabalikat ng Malayang Pilipino (Partner of the Free Filipino) or Kampi, the party formed by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in 1998. </p>
<p>2)DILG chief to former President ERAP.  </p>
<p>3)Puno served as assistant DILG secretary during the MARCOS regime  </p>
<p>Why was/is Ronnie Puno such a sought-after presidential adviser during the GMA/ERAP/MARCOS administratons???</p>
<p>Your comments pls.</p>
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