Comments on: Remembering RM http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bencard http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-576724 Bencard Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:02:25 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-576724 just an afterthought. seems to me that raul manglapus had a lot to do with rm's "conversion", more than helping him articulate it. i remember the former as an ardently vocal "nationalist" albeit very americanized in orientation. just an afterthought. seems to me that raul manglapus had a lot to do with rm’s “conversion”, more than helping him articulate it. i remember the former as an ardently vocal “nationalist” albeit very americanized in orientation.

]]> By: red's herring: Magsaysay, the people's guy, was America's nightmare http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-574299 red's herring: Magsaysay, the people's guy, was America's nightmare Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:55:37 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-574299 [...]The “basic assumption” that Ramon Magsayay was in fact packaged by the CIA as a rugs-to-power politician while “overstated” could have some grounding. For one, Magsaysay was not a poor mechanic from Zambales but himself a son of a wealthy merchant and landowner. Atypically of Filipino teenager of his time, he sported a Ford in high school, best-selling author Stanley Karnow pointed out in <i>In Our Image</i>. There are certain serious materials indicating that Magsaysay, as an aspiring politician of national standing, agreed to work “for” the CIA. However when as president he converted, his term was cut short by a fatal plane crash. The conversion was from acting out his supposedly assigned role in America’s <i>battle for hearts and minds</i> to becoming an earnest reformer in protecting the Filipino peasantry from abuse in the belief that “he who has less in life should have more in law.” In having done so, Magsaysay actually began to live his manufactured image as “man of the people,” as if a Jacksonian democrat, at a period of sensitive global strategic alliances [...] [...]The “basic assumption” that Ramon Magsayay was in fact packaged by the CIA as a rugs-to-power politician while “overstated” could have some grounding. For one, Magsaysay was not a poor mechanic from Zambales but himself a son of a wealthy merchant and landowner. Atypically of Filipino teenager of his time, he sported a Ford in high school, best-selling author Stanley Karnow pointed out in In Our Image. There are certain serious materials indicating that Magsaysay, as an aspiring politician of national standing, agreed to work “for” the CIA. However when as president he converted, his term was cut short by a fatal plane crash. The conversion was from acting out his supposedly assigned role in America’s battle for hearts and minds to becoming an earnest reformer in protecting the Filipino peasantry from abuse in the belief that “he who has less in life should have more in law.” In having done so, Magsaysay actually began to live his manufactured image as “man of the people,” as if a Jacksonian democrat, at a period of sensitive global strategic alliances [...]

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573869 mlq3 Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:47:35 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573869 betol, you can search through google scholar (scholar.google.com) but the journal article requires payment, or you can get the citation and request a copy from your library. also, reviews of the book, which covers several administrations, can be found on amazon. betol, you can search through google scholar (scholar.google.com) but the journal article requires payment, or you can get the citation and request a copy from your library. also, reviews of the book, which covers several administrations, can be found on amazon.

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573868 mlq3 Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:45:48 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573868 spidamang, you can download the taglish and ilocano versions here: http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1012 spidamang, you can download the taglish and ilocano versions here:

http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1012

]]> By: spidamang http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573855 spidamang Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:07:57 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573855 I just want to ask, is there an mp3 copy of "mambo magsaysay" available for download? If I play this song to my lolo, it might trigger a treasure trove of anecdotes. thanks :) I just want to ask, is there an mp3 copy of “mambo magsaysay” available for download? If I play this song to my lolo, it might trigger a treasure trove of anecdotes. thanks :)

]]> By: Betol http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573578 Betol Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:07:50 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573578 Mr. Quezon III, the Nick Cullather link doesn't work, but I'll look for him in the Library. Mr. Quezon III, the Nick Cullather link doesn’t work, but I’ll look for him in the Library.

]]> By: Devilsadvc8 http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573496 Devilsadvc8 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:51:59 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573496 Was Magsaysay the Philippines' own JFK? Was Magsaysay the Philippines’ own JFK?

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573412 mlq3 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:47:07 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573412 hvrsd: i think just as cia-us influence (command and control) is overstated, so was the strength of the huks at the end of the war. this does not mean that they weren't effective or committed, just that they overstated their strength and influence and the claims have been uncritically passed on ever since. i understand some historians have been working on this which, combined with contemporary testimony, should lead to a reexamination of what has become a basic assumption. hvrsd: i think just as cia-us influence (command and control) is overstated, so was the strength of the huks at the end of the war. this does not mean that they weren’t effective or committed, just that they overstated their strength and influence and the claims have been uncritically passed on ever since. i understand some historians have been working on this which, combined with contemporary testimony, should lead to a reexamination of what has become a basic assumption.

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573411 mlq3 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:43:47 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573411 prof. simbulan's article is fascinating. except he kept getting the date of martial law wrong. prof. simbulan’s article is fascinating. except he kept getting the date of martial law wrong.

]]> By: hvrds http://www.quezon.ph/2007/09/01/remembering-rm/comment-page-1/#comment-573404 hvrds Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:32:39 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1497#comment-573404 At the end of World War II, it was Ho Chi Minh's forces that accepted the defeat of Vichy French forces in Vietnam. The U.S. then was supporting both guerrilla wars in China and in Vietnam. They were supporting both the forces of Mao and the nationalists in China vs. the Japanese. Similarly in the Philippines the Huks controlled much of Luzon in the Philippines during the Japanese occupation. The U.S. also supported the guerrilla movement in the Philippines. After the defeat of the Japanese the U.S. made sure the Huks who were also fighting for national liberation from the U.S. got defeated. The Americans reinstated the French back in charge of Vietnam. Korea which was a Japanese colony went to the communists forces. Once again the U.S. intervened. George Keenan along with Dulles were the policy wonks who drew the new re-division of Asia along the Cold War lines. After the victory of Mao's forces in China - the communists took China's seat in the U.N. The historic snub of Dulles refusing to shake the hand Chou En Lai became the most significant act that would determine U.S. foreign policy till Nixon's recognition of China. Representation of China then was given to the Nationalists in who took over the island, Taiwan. Then you have the defeat of the communist insurgency in the Philippines in the 50's, the Korean War which technically still is on today, the defeat of the French, then the recognition of Mao's China, then the defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam. The communists were crushed in Malaysia, Indonesia and during Magasaysay's time in the Philippines. History is fluid and not static. The Philippines is the only S.E. Asian country that still has an ongoing Maoist insurgency. In India you have one also going on, and the one in Nepal just ended. In India the communist party is in coalition majority with the present government. The Communist party is the majority government also in West Bengal of India. Hence the Philippines continues to this day to be America's neo-colony. Please note that the process of globalization that was completed at the end of the 19th century into early 20th century has resulted in economic enclaves controlled by the G-7 economies in varying degrees. Today the dollar value of U.S. direct investments, equity investments and other investments as of 2006 total $13 trillion dollars in the world. If one were to remove the market value of foreign direct investments, equity investments and portfolio investments from the G-7, Greater China and S. Korea in the Philippines from the value of Filipino and Indio owned assets, the Philippine state would be thrown back to the medieval times value wise. At the end of World War II, it was Ho Chi Minh’s forces that accepted the defeat of Vichy French forces in Vietnam. The U.S. then was supporting both guerrilla wars in China and in Vietnam. They were supporting both the forces of Mao and the nationalists in China vs. the Japanese. Similarly in the Philippines the Huks controlled much of Luzon in the Philippines during the Japanese occupation. The U.S. also supported the guerrilla movement in the Philippines. After the defeat of the Japanese the U.S. made sure the Huks who were also fighting for national liberation from the U.S. got defeated.

The Americans reinstated the French back in charge of Vietnam.

Korea which was a Japanese colony went to the communists forces.

Once again the U.S. intervened. George Keenan along with Dulles were the policy wonks who drew the new re-division of Asia along the Cold War lines. After the victory of Mao’s forces in China – the communists took China’s seat in the U.N. The historic snub of Dulles refusing to shake the hand Chou En Lai became the most significant act that would determine U.S. foreign policy till Nixon’s recognition of China. Representation of China then was given to the Nationalists in who took over the island, Taiwan.

Then you have the defeat of the communist insurgency in the Philippines in the 50′s, the Korean War which technically still is on today, the defeat of the French, then the recognition of Mao’s China, then the defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam. The communists were crushed in Malaysia, Indonesia and during Magasaysay’s time in the Philippines. History is fluid and not static.

The Philippines is the only S.E. Asian country that still has an ongoing Maoist insurgency. In India you have one also going on, and the one in Nepal just ended. In India the communist party is in coalition majority with the present government. The Communist party is the majority government also in West Bengal of India.

Hence the Philippines continues to this day to be America’s neo-colony.

Please note that the process of globalization that was completed at the end of the 19th century into early 20th century has resulted in economic enclaves controlled by the G-7 economies in varying degrees. Today the dollar value of U.S. direct investments, equity investments and other investments as of 2006 total $13 trillion dollars in the world.

If one were to remove the market value of foreign direct investments, equity investments and portfolio investments from the G-7, Greater China and S. Korea in the Philippines from the value of Filipino and Indio owned assets, the Philippine state would be thrown back to the medieval times value wise.

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