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		<title>By: Manila Bay Watch</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-571902</link>
		<dc:creator>Manila Bay Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 24 years after, brains of Ninoy slay a mystery. 

If JFK&#039;s assasination remains a mystery in the land of the &#039;rule of law&#039;, it shouldn&#039;t come as a surprise that Ninoy&#039;s murder remains a mystery in the land of the lawless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 24 years after, brains of Ninoy slay a mystery. </p>
<p>If JFK&#8217;s assasination remains a mystery in the land of the &#8216;rule of law&#8217;, it shouldn&#8217;t come as a surprise that Ninoy&#8217;s murder remains a mystery in the land of the lawless.</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-570131</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJB,

&quot;Notice that I interpret Ã¢â‚¬Å“coercing the govt to give into an illegal demandÃ¢â‚¬Â to mean forcing it into accepting illegal changes of policy Ã¢â‚¬â€ NOT that the terrorist must deliver a written demand to the fast food manager just before he blows it up (the Colmenares Fallacy that MB canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t seem to get over.) 

Nowhere in the law, if you have read even Section 3, the Definition provision, does it say that elements 2 and 3 must accompany EACH of the component criminal acts literally. That is why the colmenares fallacy is a silly fallacy. His counter example is funny only because it refutes a situation the law does not mandate!&quot;

&quot;... The first thing youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve really got to convince yourself of is that there is NO crime of terrorism without ALL three defined elements being present, namely (1) some component ACT already punished under the RPC, then two elements of INTENT (2) to sow fear and (3) to coerce the govt into an illegal demand.&quot;

On February 25, 2000, bombs exploded on 2 buses riding in the ferry M/V Our Lady of Mediatrix bound for Ozamis city resulting in numerous casualties.

The act was blamed on Muslim separatists.

In a seeming retaliation a day later; the Muslim mosque in Turtle Island Tinago district in Ozamis city was strafed by unidentified MEN armed with M-16 rifles (which fortunately injured no one); a Muslim trader in another area was killed and another was seriously injured. After the attacks which was being blamed on Christian group/s; the Muslim community initially contemplated on leaving the city.

Should that have happened now; no doubt you would consider the ferry bombing covered under HSA.

But would the seeming retaliation be likewise covered under the HSA? Why or why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJB,</p>
<p>&#8220;Notice that I interpret Ã¢â‚¬Å“coercing the govt to give into an illegal demandÃ¢â‚¬Â to mean forcing it into accepting illegal changes of policy Ã¢â‚¬â€ NOT that the terrorist must deliver a written demand to the fast food manager just before he blows it up (the Colmenares Fallacy that MB canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t seem to get over.) </p>
<p>Nowhere in the law, if you have read even Section 3, the Definition provision, does it say that elements 2 and 3 must accompany EACH of the component criminal acts literally. That is why the colmenares fallacy is a silly fallacy. His counter example is funny only because it refutes a situation the law does not mandate!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; The first thing youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve really got to convince yourself of is that there is NO crime of terrorism without ALL three defined elements being present, namely (1) some component ACT already punished under the RPC, then two elements of INTENT (2) to sow fear and (3) to coerce the govt into an illegal demand.&#8221;</p>
<p>On February 25, 2000, bombs exploded on 2 buses riding in the ferry M/V Our Lady of Mediatrix bound for Ozamis city resulting in numerous casualties.</p>
<p>The act was blamed on Muslim separatists.</p>
<p>In a seeming retaliation a day later; the Muslim mosque in Turtle Island Tinago district in Ozamis city was strafed by unidentified MEN armed with M-16 rifles (which fortunately injured no one); a Muslim trader in another area was killed and another was seriously injured. After the attacks which was being blamed on Christian group/s; the Muslim community initially contemplated on leaving the city.</p>
<p>Should that have happened now; no doubt you would consider the ferry bombing covered under HSA.</p>
<p>But would the seeming retaliation be likewise covered under the HSA? Why or why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Devilsadvc8</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-568053</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilsadvc8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes. i did understand the theory much better tha way he explained it. trees, monkeys, forest. simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes. i did understand the theory much better tha way he explained it. trees, monkeys, forest. simple.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-568026</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devils, Rodrik&#039;s discussion may be briefer but it is closer to the essential message of that study (a copy of which is available in his blog entry as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devils, Rodrik&#8217;s discussion may be briefer but it is closer to the essential message of that study (a copy of which is available in his blog entry as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Devilsadvc8</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-568008</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilsadvc8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tnx. his piece was very brief. but otherwise, same as the other link i&#039;ve read. i see no discussion of any kind on the page you gave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tnx. his piece was very brief. but otherwise, same as the other link i&#8217;ve read. i see no discussion of any kind on the page you gave.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-567520</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devils, the url is &quot;rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2007/07/monkeys-trees-a.html&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devils, the url is &#8220;rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2007/07/monkeys-trees-a.html&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Devilsadvc8</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-567515</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilsadvc8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj, if you still have the link, id greatly appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj, if you still have the link, id greatly appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: ptt</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-567472</link>
		<dc:creator>ptt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; DJB, what happens when no judge is found?&quot;

Here&#039;s the present reality; PNP and NBI criminal arrests are typically done on late Fridays and weekends. That way, the arrestee gets to &quot;negotiate his bail&quot; directly with the arresting officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; DJB, what happens when no judge is found?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the present reality; PNP and NBI criminal arrests are typically done on late Fridays and weekends. That way, the arrestee gets to &#8220;negotiate his bail&#8221; directly with the arresting officers.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Garcia</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-567378</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok,

I change my mind DJB.

Beancurd,don&#039;t go to Batangas and Balngiga when talking to DJB, it might backfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok,</p>
<p>I change my mind DJB.</p>
<p>Beancurd,don&#8217;t go to Batangas and Balngiga when talking to DJB, it might backfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Devilsadvc8</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/21/shake-rattle-and-roll/comment-page-2/#comment-567367</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilsadvc8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Immediately after taking custody of a person charged with or suspected of the crime of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism, the police or law enforcement personnel shall notify in writing the judge of the court nearest the place of apprehension or arrest: Provided, That where the arrest is made during saturdays, sundays, holidays or after office hours, the written notice shall be served at the residence of the judge nearest the place where the accused was arrested.

The penalty of ten (10) years and one day to twelve (12) years of imprisonment shall be imposed upon the police or law enforcement personnel who fails to notify any judge as provided in the preceding paragraph&quot;

DJB, what happens when no judge is found?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Immediately after taking custody of a person charged with or suspected of the crime of terrorism or conspiracy to commit terrorism, the police or law enforcement personnel shall notify in writing the judge of the court nearest the place of apprehension or arrest: Provided, That where the arrest is made during saturdays, sundays, holidays or after office hours, the written notice shall be served at the residence of the judge nearest the place where the accused was arrested.</p>
<p>The penalty of ten (10) years and one day to twelve (12) years of imprisonment shall be imposed upon the police or law enforcement personnel who fails to notify any judge as provided in the preceding paragraph&#8221;</p>
<p>DJB, what happens when no judge is found?</p>
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