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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-999775</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Å“The US financial crisis has given the administration-dominated Philippine House of Representatives another argument to amend the 21-year-old Constitution by way of giving Americans and Filipino migrants the opportunity to transfer their investments here.
Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦..

Nograles added: Ã¢â‚¬Å“Our economic managers should be able to take the crisis as an opportunity to mobilize the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sleeping potentials and not just remain in the defensive posture.
Ã¢â‚¬Å“Overseas Filipinos, especially those working and living in the United States, should look at their home country as the best haven for their savings that could be transformed into active investments,Ã¢â‚¬Â he stressed.
Nograles surmised that even a minimum of $1,000 investment for every US-based Filipino migrant Ã¢â‚¬Å“would be substantial to fuel the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s economic engine.Ã¢â‚¬Â
The Speaker noted that Mindanao is just waiting to be tapped for its rich and vast reservoir of natural resources, including gold and other precious metals, aside from its vast potentials in food production.
According to Nograles, his proposed summit can be used as a vehicle to craft a concrete strategy to attract investments from US-based Filipino migrants and formulate measures that will strengthen investor confidence in the Philippine economy.
He said he is willing to put his job on the line when it comes to Charter change. Ã¢â‚¬Å“In my watch, I think I will bite the bullet,Ã¢â‚¬Â he told members of the Manila Overseas Press Club early last month.Ã¢â‚¬Â&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The US financial crisis has given the administration-dominated Philippine House of Representatives another argument to amend the 21-year-old Constitution by way of giving Americans and Filipino migrants the opportunity to transfer their investments here.<br />
Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦..</p>
<p>Nograles added: Ã¢â‚¬Å“Our economic managers should be able to take the crisis as an opportunity to mobilize the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s sleeping potentials and not just remain in the defensive posture.<br />
Ã¢â‚¬Å“Overseas Filipinos, especially those working and living in the United States, should look at their home country as the best haven for their savings that could be transformed into active investments,Ã¢â‚¬Â he stressed.<br />
Nograles surmised that even a minimum of $1,000 investment for every US-based Filipino migrant Ã¢â‚¬Å“would be substantial to fuel the countryÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s economic engine.Ã¢â‚¬Â<br />
The Speaker noted that Mindanao is just waiting to be tapped for its rich and vast reservoir of natural resources, including gold and other precious metals, aside from its vast potentials in food production.<br />
According to Nograles, his proposed summit can be used as a vehicle to craft a concrete strategy to attract investments from US-based Filipino migrants and formulate measures that will strengthen investor confidence in the Philippine economy.<br />
He said he is willing to put his job on the line when it comes to Charter change. Ã¢â‚¬Å“In my watch, I think I will bite the bullet,Ã¢â‚¬Â he told members of the Manila Overseas Press Club early last month.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-568092</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UP n,

You&#039;re right about hunt-and-neutralize operations vs. the MILF. That is absolutely necessary if true peace is to be achieved. However, so many are calling for the government to talk peace with the MILF before they can be brought under control. This is a very serious mistake and I hope the government realizes this.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;re right about hunt-and-neutralize operations vs. the MILF. That is absolutely necessary if true peace is to be achieved. However, so many are calling for the government to talk peace with the MILF before they can be brought under control. This is a very serious mistake and I hope the government realizes this.</p>
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		<title>By: UP n student</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-567078</link>
		<dc:creator>UP n student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard:  Clinically speaking, there is nothing about defender and agressor which says that one side will never be a terrorist at times. Terrorism, or to be more precise, acts of violence targeted at civilians, torture or summary execution of suspected enemies or &quot;rough handling&quot; of civilians in order to control the battlefield are tactics. The aggressor, the defender, or both are capable of choosing to include these tactics  among their repertoire. So you have NPA banditry against farmers, business owners, cell-towers, and then there was Valeriano/Nenita Unit aggressive tactics against civilians. There is also rape --- Arabic Janjaweeds use rape as a battle-tactic to force civilians out of certain territories or to instill fear in the population.
  Now Abe, when he wrote about the beheadings of Filipino Marines, eloquently portrayed Muslim Filipinos as brothers equal in generosity and brotherly-love for kapwa Filipino.  He should remind himself that one of the highest body count from a terrorist attack was when a group of Filipino Muslims bombed the SuperFerry, not to extort money or to assasinate some government official, but to commit plain-vanilla terrorism against Filipinos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard:  Clinically speaking, there is nothing about defender and agressor which says that one side will never be a terrorist at times. Terrorism, or to be more precise, acts of violence targeted at civilians, torture or summary execution of suspected enemies or &#8220;rough handling&#8221; of civilians in order to control the battlefield are tactics. The aggressor, the defender, or both are capable of choosing to include these tactics  among their repertoire. So you have NPA banditry against farmers, business owners, cell-towers, and then there was Valeriano/Nenita Unit aggressive tactics against civilians. There is also rape &#8212; Arabic Janjaweeds use rape as a battle-tactic to force civilians out of certain territories or to instill fear in the population.<br />
  Now Abe, when he wrote about the beheadings of Filipino Marines, eloquently portrayed Muslim Filipinos as brothers equal in generosity and brotherly-love for kapwa Filipino.  He should remind himself that one of the highest body count from a terrorist attack was when a group of Filipino Muslims bombed the SuperFerry, not to extort money or to assasinate some government official, but to commit plain-vanilla terrorism against Filipinos.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe N. Margallo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-566419</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe N. Margallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard, you are not suggesting that even at this stage some loyal Ã¢â‚¬Å“hot-headsÃ¢â‚¬Â in the military are geared up to go under and form an anticipatory Ã¢â‚¬Å“resistance movement,Ã¢â‚¬Â are you? ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a convenient label attached to it which is . . . well, as KG said above depending on the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard, you are not suggesting that even at this stage some loyal Ã¢â‚¬Å“hot-headsÃ¢â‚¬Â in the military are geared up to go under and form an anticipatory Ã¢â‚¬Å“resistance movement,Ã¢â‚¬Â are you? ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a convenient label attached to it which is . . . well, as KG said above depending on the beholder.</p>
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		<title>By: UP n student</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-566242</link>
		<dc:creator>UP n student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:  I believe that a key to peace in Mindanao will be commerce --- plain-vanilla business -- and inter-marriages.  If head-of-household-A knows that the economics that determines his ability to feed his family depends on peaceful coexistence with head-of-household-B, the more likely tolerance among households, and even wishing the other well.  And if one&#039;s son has married into the other&#039;s household, similary tolerance and friendship should blossom.
   The ugly thing (and Iraq demonstrates this... likewise India/Pakistan/Bangladesh)  is that some peoples will kill another because the other is not from one&#039;s religion or tribe.  So an answer to what you mention --- that a number from the MILF yearn for the BangsaMoro so much that holding back the progress of their own people is acceptable  --- may as well be law-and-order hunt-and-neutralize operations.  By all means, keep them away from their own society/families so that the brainwashing of the next generations can stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:  I believe that a key to peace in Mindanao will be commerce &#8212; plain-vanilla business &#8212; and inter-marriages.  If head-of-household-A knows that the economics that determines his ability to feed his family depends on peaceful coexistence with head-of-household-B, the more likely tolerance among households, and even wishing the other well.  And if one&#8217;s son has married into the other&#8217;s household, similary tolerance and friendship should blossom.<br />
   The ugly thing (and Iraq demonstrates this&#8230; likewise India/Pakistan/Bangladesh)  is that some peoples will kill another because the other is not from one&#8217;s religion or tribe.  So an answer to what you mention &#8212; that a number from the MILF yearn for the BangsaMoro so much that holding back the progress of their own people is acceptable  &#8212; may as well be law-and-order hunt-and-neutralize operations.  By all means, keep them away from their own society/families so that the brainwashing of the next generations can stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-566241</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abe, way up there in the hierarchy of human/state rights and values is the right of self preservation, the right to defend oneself to stay alive and safe from harm. when a group of &#039;rogue&#039; citizens wage war on the constitutional government and citizenry, killing and maiming not only active combatants but native and foreign civilians, kidnapping of, and extorting money from, peaceful farmers/laborers, small businessmen and landowners, fomenting unrest to disturb peace and public order, all for the purpose of seizing power and control of the country by force, violence and intimidation, would resistance to such a group be classified as &quot;terrorism&quot;?
it would be an insult to one&#039;s intelligence to say that the defender is the &quot;terrorist&quot;.

there are democratic ways of changing a government. the system has many imperfections and is always &quot;a work in progress&quot;. we cannot give in to the &quot;hot heads&quot; who just  have no patience with the rule of law, just because it bogs down every now and then. 

in affairs of men and state, violence begets violence. but i say, the right of man/state to defend him/itself cannot and should never be compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abe, way up there in the hierarchy of human/state rights and values is the right of self preservation, the right to defend oneself to stay alive and safe from harm. when a group of &#8216;rogue&#8217; citizens wage war on the constitutional government and citizenry, killing and maiming not only active combatants but native and foreign civilians, kidnapping of, and extorting money from, peaceful farmers/laborers, small businessmen and landowners, fomenting unrest to disturb peace and public order, all for the purpose of seizing power and control of the country by force, violence and intimidation, would resistance to such a group be classified as &#8220;terrorism&#8221;?<br />
it would be an insult to one&#8217;s intelligence to say that the defender is the &#8220;terrorist&#8221;.</p>
<p>there are democratic ways of changing a government. the system has many imperfections and is always &#8220;a work in progress&#8221;. we cannot give in to the &#8220;hot heads&#8221; who just  have no patience with the rule of law, just because it bogs down every now and then. </p>
<p>in affairs of men and state, violence begets violence. but i say, the right of man/state to defend him/itself cannot and should never be compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: rymhegs</title>
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		<dc:creator>rymhegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>add me pls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>add me pls.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-565870</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why people think the MILF will accept peace with the government when it was formed by elements that broke away from the MNLF when the latter signed a peace agreement with the government. Its objective is nothing less than an independent Muslim state. If the current MILF leaders do accept peace, there is no shortage of &quot;rogue&quot; elements that will continue to fight for this ideal, ingrained as it is among Moros. Even the most moderate of them will confess to a yearning for &quot;Moroland.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why people think the MILF will accept peace with the government when it was formed by elements that broke away from the MNLF when the latter signed a peace agreement with the government. Its objective is nothing less than an independent Muslim state. If the current MILF leaders do accept peace, there is no shortage of &#8220;rogue&#8221; elements that will continue to fight for this ideal, ingrained as it is among Moros. Even the most moderate of them will confess to a yearning for &#8220;Moroland.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Abe N. Margallo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/08/17/thoughts-on-mindanao/comment-page-2/#comment-565841</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe N. Margallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;abe, i suppose you would include terrorism as malum in se regardless of hsa, wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you?&lt;/i&gt; - Bencard

It depends as hereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s one of what I have written on the definition of terrorism: 

Ã¢â‚¬Å“TerrorismÃ¢â‚¬Â is still defined by WebsterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s New International Dictionary as Ã¢â‚¬Å“a mode of governing . . . by intimidationÃ¢â‚¬Â or Ã¢â‚¬Å“any policy of intimidation,Ã¢â‚¬Â implying clearly that states are capable of committing terrorist acts. However, CIAÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Counterterrorist Center defines a terrorist act pursuant to Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d) as a Ã¢â‚¬Å“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience,Ã¢â‚¬Â thus potentially excluding state actors from the definition. The current pejorative meaning of terrorism directly linking it to Islamism or to extremist contrarian tactic against the advance of liberal ideology is therefore of recent concoction. 

By some broad strokes, there could be three political conceptions of terrorism: 1) insurrection against a legitimate government; 2) a policy of violence or acts of intimidation by a government in violation of human rights; and 3) warfare in contravention of universally accepted rules of engagement. (See Hardt and Negri, &lt;I&gt;Multitude&lt;/I&gt;, 16-17).

On the first conception, is a government that has cheated its way to power in a rigged election a fair game to a Lockean right of revolution? On the second, is the recent spate of violence (murders and assassinations) in the Philippines involving for the most part journalists critical of the Arroyo government and left-leaning activists considered terrorism by a state actor? When the justifications for waging a war are based on Ã¢â‚¬Å“sexed upÃ¢â‚¬Â intelligence, is the resulting violence within the acceptation of the third sense?
_________

I consider the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers as &lt;I&gt;mala in se&lt;/I&gt;. So was the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima or the US sanction against Iraq which killed untold numbers of civilians and children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>abe, i suppose you would include terrorism as malum in se regardless of hsa, wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t you?</i> &#8211; Bencard</p>
<p>It depends as hereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s one of what I have written on the definition of terrorism: </p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“TerrorismÃ¢â‚¬Â is still defined by WebsterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s New International Dictionary as Ã¢â‚¬Å“a mode of governing . . . by intimidationÃ¢â‚¬Â or Ã¢â‚¬Å“any policy of intimidation,Ã¢â‚¬Â implying clearly that states are capable of committing terrorist acts. However, CIAÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s Counterterrorist Center defines a terrorist act pursuant to Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d) as a Ã¢â‚¬Å“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience,Ã¢â‚¬Â thus potentially excluding state actors from the definition. The current pejorative meaning of terrorism directly linking it to Islamism or to extremist contrarian tactic against the advance of liberal ideology is therefore of recent concoction. </p>
<p>By some broad strokes, there could be three political conceptions of terrorism: 1) insurrection against a legitimate government; 2) a policy of violence or acts of intimidation by a government in violation of human rights; and 3) warfare in contravention of universally accepted rules of engagement. (See Hardt and Negri, <i>Multitude</i>, 16-17).</p>
<p>On the first conception, is a government that has cheated its way to power in a rigged election a fair game to a Lockean right of revolution? On the second, is the recent spate of violence (murders and assassinations) in the Philippines involving for the most part journalists critical of the Arroyo government and left-leaning activists considered terrorism by a state actor? When the justifications for waging a war are based on Ã¢â‚¬Å“sexed upÃ¢â‚¬Â intelligence, is the resulting violence within the acceptation of the third sense?<br />
_________</p>
<p>I consider the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers as <i>mala in se</i>. So was the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima or the US sanction against Iraq which killed untold numbers of civilians and children.</p>
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		<title>By: leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UP S,

Iraq in terms of US waging a full-blown war on pan-islamic terrorist groups holing up in Mindanao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UP S,</p>
<p>Iraq in terms of US waging a full-blown war on pan-islamic terrorist groups holing up in Mindanao.</p>
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