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		<title>By: Jaxius</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-517304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I bristle at the idea of giving &quot;full faith&quot; on something as if to give it the mantle of religious conviction. Faith, in my understanding, is to believe without reason. What of full faith? Judgments and decisions, even if made by the Supreme Court as you exemplified, are not infallible. 

If the institution makes a judgment or decision, I&#039;d follow it. That however does not mean I cannot question it or that I should like it. Imagine if lawyers gave &quot;full faith&quot; to the decisions of the Supreme Court made during Martial Law. We&#039;d still have Javellana vs Executive Secretary as a rule.

To follow the rule of law does not mean to follow it blindly. The law may be the law, but it does not mean it is always right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I bristle at the idea of giving &#8220;full faith&#8221; on something as if to give it the mantle of religious conviction. Faith, in my understanding, is to believe without reason. What of full faith? Judgments and decisions, even if made by the Supreme Court as you exemplified, are not infallible. </p>
<p>If the institution makes a judgment or decision, I&#8217;d follow it. That however does not mean I cannot question it or that I should like it. Imagine if lawyers gave &#8220;full faith&#8221; to the decisions of the Supreme Court made during Martial Law. We&#8217;d still have Javellana vs Executive Secretary as a rule.</p>
<p>To follow the rule of law does not mean to follow it blindly. The law may be the law, but it does not mean it is always right.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-516897</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaxius, when the supreme court renders a decision (whether unanimously, by majority or plurality), it is the &quot;action&quot; and &quot;judgment&quot; of the supreme court, not of cj puno or justice carpio, or other ponente.

when i give &quot;full faith and credit&quot;, it is to the institution, not to the individuals operating it. i distinguish between the office and the incumbent. if the incumbent was bad, i would advocate its replacement but not necessarily the abolition of the office (unless it is of proven uselessness as the senate). i wouldn&#039;t normally advocate throwing away the baby with the bathwater, so i would not agitate for the sacking of comelec just because some people think its officials are not doing their job properly. but i am all for prosecuting and punishing whoever is guilty. 

i think this is all part of obedience to the rule of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaxius, when the supreme court renders a decision (whether unanimously, by majority or plurality), it is the &#8220;action&#8221; and &#8220;judgment&#8221; of the supreme court, not of cj puno or justice carpio, or other ponente.</p>
<p>when i give &#8220;full faith and credit&#8221;, it is to the institution, not to the individuals operating it. i distinguish between the office and the incumbent. if the incumbent was bad, i would advocate its replacement but not necessarily the abolition of the office (unless it is of proven uselessness as the senate). i wouldn&#8217;t normally advocate throwing away the baby with the bathwater, so i would not agitate for the sacking of comelec just because some people think its officials are not doing their job properly. but i am all for prosecuting and punishing whoever is guilty. </p>
<p>i think this is all part of obedience to the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxius</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515994</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Institutions stand for processes. They do not make actions and judgments, it is the people who comprise them that do. This little debate of ours, I think, sprung out of that small misunderstanding.

One cannot but give faith to the process, the laws require no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Institutions stand for processes. They do not make actions and judgments, it is the people who comprise them that do. This little debate of ours, I think, sprung out of that small misunderstanding.</p>
<p>One cannot but give faith to the process, the laws require no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515740</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaxius, by &quot;them&quot; do you mean the institutions or their officials and employees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaxius, by &#8220;them&#8221; do you mean the institutions or their officials and employees?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxius</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515605</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Well, I haven&#039;t asked for their heads, at least, not yet. I just don&#039;t want to give them full faith and credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t asked for their heads, at least, not yet. I just don&#8217;t want to give them full faith and credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515600</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, cvj, but i don&#039;t think i am either. i am just saying  we should respect the judgments of our institutions but we  must be vigilant and merciless against the malfeasance of miscreant public officials.

jaxius, got you. however, we have to be certain about the &quot;betrayal&quot;. and the determination must be within the rule of law, not through vigilantism or gossip mongering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, cvj, but i don&#8217;t think i am either. i am just saying  we should respect the judgments of our institutions but we  must be vigilant and merciless against the malfeasance of miscreant public officials.</p>
<p>jaxius, got you. however, we have to be certain about the &#8220;betrayal&#8221;. and the determination must be within the rule of law, not through vigilantism or gossip mongering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxius</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515569</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Full faith and credit can only be given to those who have not betrayed the public trust. As the old adage says, &quot;fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me&quot;.

Nagoyo na minsan, tama na yun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Full faith and credit can only be given to those who have not betrayed the public trust. As the old adage says, &#8220;fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nagoyo na minsan, tama na yun.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515557</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard, you&#039;re a good lawyer but a lousy hypnotist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard, you&#8217;re a good lawyer but a lousy hypnotist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/25/a-drawn-out-process/comment-page-1/#comment-515553</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its time we give full faith and credit to the actions and judgments of our duly-constituted institutions. let the officials acting on their behalf be held accountable for such actions according to due process of the law. second guessing and monday morning quarter backing by the partisan media must be given the minimum importance that they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its time we give full faith and credit to the actions and judgments of our duly-constituted institutions. let the officials acting on their behalf be held accountable for such actions according to due process of the law. second guessing and monday morning quarter backing by the partisan media must be given the minimum importance that they deserve.</p>
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