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	<title>Comments on: Saludo, Secretary of Cerelac, says &#8220;Let&#8217;s Go, Grow, and Glow!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/01/saludo-secretary-of-cerelac-says-lets-go-grow-and-glow/comment-page-3/#comment-500184</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INE,

&quot;Mandarin&quot;

Ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INE,</p>
<p>&#8220;Mandarin&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;even more unfortunate, the scientist in this blog is overwhelmed by the burden of his cultural / political orientation by not taking steps off to assess the issue from a more objective standpoint. - inodoro ni emilie&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which i suppose also explains his tendency to argue things that are not at even at issue as if they were revealed truth (aka ignoratio elenchi).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>even more unfortunate, the scientist in this blog is overwhelmed by the burden of his cultural / political orientation by not taking steps off to assess the issue from a more objective standpoint. &#8211; inodoro ni emilie</p></blockquote>
<p>Which i suppose also explains his tendency to argue things that are not at even at issue as if they were revealed truth (aka ignoratio elenchi).</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Mariano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a big mess and it will take some time to resolve. Whatever the solution our administrators will go by with will not please everybody, that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a big mess and it will take some time to resolve. Whatever the solution our administrators will go by with will not please everybody, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: inodoro ni emilie</title>
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		<dc:creator>inodoro ni emilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We all have our own thoughts I guess on what is best, but it is those who are in position to implement changes that can actually effect changes. Even those who petitioned the courts against the use of English as medium of instruction remains as mere petitioners. At least they did something out of and because of their stand. Those who strongly feels for something else need to act on them too.&quot;

which in a way, jon, is rather unfortunate, because the issue of medium of instruction in school has become a sociopolitical more than a pedagogical issue. and those in the position to implement them are not even in education! worse, the deped is not thinking of a scientific way to resolve the issue!

even more unfortunate, the scientist in this blog is overwhelmed by the burden of his cultural/political orientation by not taking steps off to assess the issue from a more objective standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We all have our own thoughts I guess on what is best, but it is those who are in position to implement changes that can actually effect changes. Even those who petitioned the courts against the use of English as medium of instruction remains as mere petitioners. At least they did something out of and because of their stand. Those who strongly feels for something else need to act on them too.&#8221;</p>
<p>which in a way, jon, is rather unfortunate, because the issue of medium of instruction in school has become a sociopolitical more than a pedagogical issue. and those in the position to implement them are not even in education! worse, the deped is not thinking of a scientific way to resolve the issue!</p>
<p>even more unfortunate, the scientist in this blog is overwhelmed by the burden of his cultural/political orientation by not taking steps off to assess the issue from a more objective standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: inodoro ni emilie</title>
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		<dc:creator>inodoro ni emilie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That mantra that you were taught with didnâ€™t exactly say that we were proficient.&quot;

may tama ka! proficiency is not equal to head count. if it were so, that would put us ahead of u.k.!

&quot;But did that study say what kind of Chinese was being referred to? Fookien, Mandarin, etc.?&quot;

mandarin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That mantra that you were taught with didnâ€™t exactly say that we were proficient.&#8221;</p>
<p>may tama ka! proficiency is not equal to head count. if it were so, that would put us ahead of u.k.!</p>
<p>&#8220;But did that study say what kind of Chinese was being referred to? Fookien, Mandarin, etc.?&#8221;</p>
<p>mandarin.</p>
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		<title>By: UP n student</title>
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		<dc:creator>UP n student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bystander :  I don&#039;t know anymore how to explain to my nephew how Filipino demonstrate their colonial mentality. Can you help me? 
   Obviously, &quot;colonial mentality&quot; is not determined by my street address.  So is it language or training? Are you (who is more-skilled-with-English than the average-Pinoy because English is the language in Philippine courts) a practitioner of &quot;colonial mentality&quot;?  Is Trillanes (more training on an M16 than an AK47) a practitioner of &quot;colonial mentality&quot;?
  Do I point to the magtataho who can only speak Tagalog as one who has been freed from &quot;colonial mentality&quot;?  
  Is Ana-de-France with worries more about Sarkozy the better than Abe Margallo who worries more about Bush? 
  I suspect one would say Col/Mental is exhibited by how one thinks.  Now thinking can be affected by the textbooks i&#039;ve used, so if the textbooks I have read are from Prentice Hall versus Penguin or  Elsevier, do I have &quot;colonial mentality&quot;? 
   Does torn-and-frayed have colonial mentality from the oppressor-side  while cvj has the colonial mentality from the oppressed-side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bystander :  I don&#8217;t know anymore how to explain to my nephew how Filipino demonstrate their colonial mentality. Can you help me?<br />
   Obviously, &#8220;colonial mentality&#8221; is not determined by my street address.  So is it language or training? Are you (who is more-skilled-with-English than the average-Pinoy because English is the language in Philippine courts) a practitioner of &#8220;colonial mentality&#8221;?  Is Trillanes (more training on an M16 than an AK47) a practitioner of &#8220;colonial mentality&#8221;?<br />
  Do I point to the magtataho who can only speak Tagalog as one who has been freed from &#8220;colonial mentality&#8221;?<br />
  Is Ana-de-France with worries more about Sarkozy the better than Abe Margallo who worries more about Bush?<br />
  I suspect one would say Col/Mental is exhibited by how one thinks.  Now thinking can be affected by the textbooks i&#8217;ve used, so if the textbooks I have read are from Prentice Hall versus Penguin or  Elsevier, do I have &#8220;colonial mentality&#8221;?<br />
   Does torn-and-frayed have colonial mentality from the oppressor-side  while cvj has the colonial mentality from the oppressed-side?</p>
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		<title>By: the bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>the bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJB,  

I read RC&#039;s views at face-value, regardless of whether it was original or not or whether he got it from some anti-American / pro-communist group in the United States.  

As long as we live in a society with a basically colonial mentality, there will always be activists, leftists and similar-minded individuals ready to challenge the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJB,  </p>
<p>I read RC&#8217;s views at face-value, regardless of whether it was original or not or whether he got it from some anti-American / pro-communist group in the United States.  </p>
<p>As long as we live in a society with a basically colonial mentality, there will always be activists, leftists and similar-minded individuals ready to challenge the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: justice league</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/01/saludo-secretary-of-cerelac-says-lets-go-grow-and-glow/comment-page-3/#comment-498189</link>
		<dc:creator>justice league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INE,

That mantra that you were taught with didn&#039;t exactly say that we were proficient.

But did that study say what kind of Chinese was being referred to? Fookien, Mandarin, etc.?

DJB,

Your claim of 20 million native Cebuanos is interesting. Are you using ethnologue&#039;s numbers or another source that unfortunately is using ethnologue as a basis?

Gabriela,

Your argument of how much time a blogger spends on any response can be hurled back to any one on any side of the fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INE,</p>
<p>That mantra that you were taught with didn&#8217;t exactly say that we were proficient.</p>
<p>But did that study say what kind of Chinese was being referred to? Fookien, Mandarin, etc.?</p>
<p>DJB,</p>
<p>Your claim of 20 million native Cebuanos is interesting. Are you using ethnologue&#8217;s numbers or another source that unfortunately is using ethnologue as a basis?</p>
<p>Gabriela,</p>
<p>Your argument of how much time a blogger spends on any response can be hurled back to any one on any side of the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Mariano</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/06/01/saludo-secretary-of-cerelac-says-lets-go-grow-and-glow/comment-page-3/#comment-498104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this thread is both entertaining and an eye-opener. I hope some of the good stuff in here get to be implemented.

We all have our own thoughts I guess on what is best, but it is those who are in position to implement changes that can actually effect changes. Even those who petitioned the courts against the use of English as medium of instruction remains as mere petitioners. At least they did something out of and because of their stand. Those who strongly feels for something else need to act on them too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this thread is both entertaining and an eye-opener. I hope some of the good stuff in here get to be implemented.</p>
<p>We all have our own thoughts I guess on what is best, but it is those who are in position to implement changes that can actually effect changes. Even those who petitioned the courts against the use of English as medium of instruction remains as mere petitioners. At least they did something out of and because of their stand. Those who strongly feels for something else need to act on them too.</p>
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		<title>By: manuelbuencamino</title>
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		<dc:creator>manuelbuencamino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The idea that is, that all other conditions of antecedent and history may be unequal, but MEN are created equal in their rights and duties and potentials.
But they do not always START with the same advantages. Some are born rich, some poor. Some smart, some not. Some are born into societies with a wealth of art, and history and language. Without these things, these starting conditions, the equality of men at their creation becomes quickly meaningless in real life.&quot;

So the art of aboriginal australians, their history and their language are inferior to that of the west or chna or india or arabia or any of your so-called civilized cultures? 

I thik you conflate dominance with superiority. You need not cite Rizal. Imelda would have been more concise - &quot;Some are marter than others.&quot; 

No DJB, art, history and language are all equal. One is not superior to another. And when an outsider judges, it shows his prejudice.

Use another line of argument lest we fall into the White or Yellow or Arab Man&#039;s Burden bullshit again. 

The only good argument for you is to say- we have to do it because that&#039;s where the money is. Someday, if some other language dominates and that&#039;s where the money else, then we abandon eglish for that language.
That&#039;s what we did with Spanish, that&#039;s what we need to do with english.

Just cut the crap about superiority. Once upon a time, during Rizal&#039;s heydey, Spain ruled and Spanish was the superior language. When the Romans ruled, Latin was superior.  

Empires come and go so do the dominance and &quot;superiority&quot; of languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea that is, that all other conditions of antecedent and history may be unequal, but MEN are created equal in their rights and duties and potentials.<br />
But they do not always START with the same advantages. Some are born rich, some poor. Some smart, some not. Some are born into societies with a wealth of art, and history and language. Without these things, these starting conditions, the equality of men at their creation becomes quickly meaningless in real life.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the art of aboriginal australians, their history and their language are inferior to that of the west or chna or india or arabia or any of your so-called civilized cultures? </p>
<p>I thik you conflate dominance with superiority. You need not cite Rizal. Imelda would have been more concise &#8211; &#8220;Some are marter than others.&#8221; </p>
<p>No DJB, art, history and language are all equal. One is not superior to another. And when an outsider judges, it shows his prejudice.</p>
<p>Use another line of argument lest we fall into the White or Yellow or Arab Man&#8217;s Burden bullshit again. </p>
<p>The only good argument for you is to say- we have to do it because that&#8217;s where the money is. Someday, if some other language dominates and that&#8217;s where the money else, then we abandon eglish for that language.<br />
That&#8217;s what we did with Spanish, that&#8217;s what we need to do with english.</p>
<p>Just cut the crap about superiority. Once upon a time, during Rizal&#8217;s heydey, Spain ruled and Spanish was the superior language. When the Romans ruled, Latin was superior.  </p>
<p>Empires come and go so do the dominance and &#8220;superiority&#8221; of languages.</p>
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