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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-494081</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 11:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;what specifically is this thing or things that we have to give back to the masses? - Tonio&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was referring to their right to vote for their leaders without being cheated.  The tacit support of the middle class is what allows Gloria Arroyo&#039;s administration to continue to  exist. As a member of that class, i think such behavior is irresponsible and short sighted.  We should definitely fear the consequences of our inaction because, despite our supposedly &lt;i&gt;more informed view&lt;/i&gt; we have signalled that it is expedience and not principle that matters. So far, we have not used our voice beyond expressing parochial concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>what specifically is this thing or things that we have to give back to the masses? &#8211; Tonio</p></blockquote>
<p>I was referring to their right to vote for their leaders without being cheated.  The tacit support of the middle class is what allows Gloria Arroyo&#8217;s administration to continue to  exist. As a member of that class, i think such behavior is irresponsible and short sighted.  We should definitely fear the consequences of our inaction because, despite our supposedly <i>more informed view</i> we have signalled that it is expedience and not principle that matters. So far, we have not used our voice beyond expressing parochial concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: tonio</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493682</link>
		<dc:creator>tonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 03:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj:

what specifically is this thing or things that we have to give back to the masses? 

and why must you make the middle class pay for it?  is it because we&#039;re the easiest targets?  is it because we lack the wherewithal (capacity for violence, political clout, etc.) to defend what we have rightfully worked hard for to earn? 

and while i do not mean to offend, the masses&#039; sense of entitlement to government freebies is nothing more than a sign of dependent behaviour. taking the fish, and not bothering to learn how to catch your own, as it were.

as for the middle class, are we not allowed our own voice?  should we side with the &quot;masa&quot; now because they numerically outnumber us?  should we now fear their vengeance because we didn&#039;t go with the anarchy they espoused?  

it is precisely because the middle class has the benefit of a more informed view that they acted (or not acted) as they did.  we know how recordings can be tampered with.  we know how extra-national forces virtually hold us hostage with their bond ratings and travel advisories.  yet we also know the sting of betrayal.  we witnessed the perpetuation of patronage politics and our government turn a blind eye to corruption.  but we took all of this into account.  and acted the way we did.  this is why a great many of the middle class were also disillusioned by the politics of this country.

again, i am not denying that this government has a lot to pay for.  but do we exact this price, again, with blood in the streets? or do we find another way?  

this recent vote, a process enshrined our basic law, is what the &quot;silent&quot; middle class used to declare its choice.  while i may only speak of my own experience, when i voted in caloocan a few weeks ago, i was surrounded by the middle class, hard-working blue collar folk, college students, entrepreneurs who took their delivery jeeps (and their relatives and neighbours) with them to the polling precinct.

it is these same people that volunteered to watch the vote, and watch they do.  because they know, WE know, that a society is not governed on the street.  it is governed by the rule of law, and such rule applies to everyone.  so we sit here, with baited breath, hoping that at least once in recent history, the clear and honest voice of the people is heard and respected.  never mind what anyone thinks of the peoples&#039; electoral choices.  such choices should be respected.  it is our right in a democracy to express such choice.

i agree cvj, the masses are disenfranchised. they deserve a decent standard of living, and all the opportunities to work towards a better future.  but getting them out of poverty is not something you assign to any one group.  i believe responsibility should follow capacity, we all need to help, and those who can help more should (dare i say be made to) help more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj:</p>
<p>what specifically is this thing or things that we have to give back to the masses? </p>
<p>and why must you make the middle class pay for it?  is it because we&#8217;re the easiest targets?  is it because we lack the wherewithal (capacity for violence, political clout, etc.) to defend what we have rightfully worked hard for to earn? </p>
<p>and while i do not mean to offend, the masses&#8217; sense of entitlement to government freebies is nothing more than a sign of dependent behaviour. taking the fish, and not bothering to learn how to catch your own, as it were.</p>
<p>as for the middle class, are we not allowed our own voice?  should we side with the &#8220;masa&#8221; now because they numerically outnumber us?  should we now fear their vengeance because we didn&#8217;t go with the anarchy they espoused?  </p>
<p>it is precisely because the middle class has the benefit of a more informed view that they acted (or not acted) as they did.  we know how recordings can be tampered with.  we know how extra-national forces virtually hold us hostage with their bond ratings and travel advisories.  yet we also know the sting of betrayal.  we witnessed the perpetuation of patronage politics and our government turn a blind eye to corruption.  but we took all of this into account.  and acted the way we did.  this is why a great many of the middle class were also disillusioned by the politics of this country.</p>
<p>again, i am not denying that this government has a lot to pay for.  but do we exact this price, again, with blood in the streets? or do we find another way?  </p>
<p>this recent vote, a process enshrined our basic law, is what the &#8220;silent&#8221; middle class used to declare its choice.  while i may only speak of my own experience, when i voted in caloocan a few weeks ago, i was surrounded by the middle class, hard-working blue collar folk, college students, entrepreneurs who took their delivery jeeps (and their relatives and neighbours) with them to the polling precinct.</p>
<p>it is these same people that volunteered to watch the vote, and watch they do.  because they know, WE know, that a society is not governed on the street.  it is governed by the rule of law, and such rule applies to everyone.  so we sit here, with baited breath, hoping that at least once in recent history, the clear and honest voice of the people is heard and respected.  never mind what anyone thinks of the peoples&#8217; electoral choices.  such choices should be respected.  it is our right in a democracy to express such choice.</p>
<p>i agree cvj, the masses are disenfranchised. they deserve a decent standard of living, and all the opportunities to work towards a better future.  but getting them out of poverty is not something you assign to any one group.  i believe responsibility should follow capacity, we all need to help, and those who can help more should (dare i say be made to) help more.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493594</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t know about you but i assure you, i earned whatever i have the old fashioned way - by working for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know about you but i assure you, i earned whatever i have the old fashioned way &#8211; by working for it.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493541</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, but before we try to convince them not to take what is not theirs, we have to give back what we kept which isn&#039;t ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but before we try to convince them not to take what is not theirs, we have to give back what we kept which isn&#8217;t ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493511</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then let&#039;s make &quot;middle class&quot; out of the &quot;masa&quot; - let&#039;s make them learn how to improve their lives by relying on themselves (not solely on the government), make their own little &quot;fortunes&quot; not by taking what isn&#039;t their&#039;s but by earning their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then let&#8217;s make &#8220;middle class&#8221; out of the &#8220;masa&#8221; &#8211; let&#8217;s make them learn how to improve their lives by relying on themselves (not solely on the government), make their own little &#8220;fortunes&#8221; not by taking what isn&#8217;t their&#8217;s but by earning their own.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493480</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bencard, yes and the only thing stopping this from happening (aside from enlisting Palparan and his methods which will ultimately be counterproductive)is if each group exercises mutual respect.  Since the middle class is supposed to be the vanguard of  democracy, we are supposed to lead by example.  Otherwise, we are tempting fate by facilitating the breakdown of the social contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bencard, yes and the only thing stopping this from happening (aside from enlisting Palparan and his methods which will ultimately be counterproductive)is if each group exercises mutual respect.  Since the middle class is supposed to be the vanguard of  democracy, we are supposed to lead by example.  Otherwise, we are tempting fate by facilitating the breakdown of the social contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493447</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you saying that after your undefined &quot;masa&quot; is able to reassert itself as majority, it will abolish human rights, due process, rule of law, and respect for minority&#039;s rights, because that&#039;s the &quot;example&quot; it learned from us? you might get what you are wishing for if the so-called masa is indoctrinated and led by vindictive demagogues who have only one thing in their heart - revenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you saying that after your undefined &#8220;masa&#8221; is able to reassert itself as majority, it will abolish human rights, due process, rule of law, and respect for minority&#8217;s rights, because that&#8217;s the &#8220;example&#8221; it learned from us? you might get what you are wishing for if the so-called masa is indoctrinated and led by vindictive demagogues who have only one thing in their heart &#8211; revenge.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493431</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 18:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t know how you could mischaracterize a personal observation as an attempt to act as a &#039;spokesman&#039;.  

our stock of social capital has been depleted by the collective disrespect that the middle class has shown towards the vote of the masa.  when the latter are finally able to reassert themselves as a majority (either democratically or through force), do you think  they would be predisposed to respect our rights as a minority after the historical example that we&#039;ve shown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know how you could mischaracterize a personal observation as an attempt to act as a &#8216;spokesman&#8217;.  </p>
<p>our stock of social capital has been depleted by the collective disrespect that the middle class has shown towards the vote of the masa.  when the latter are finally able to reassert themselves as a majority (either democratically or through force), do you think  they would be predisposed to respect our rights as a minority after the historical example that we&#8217;ve shown?</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493412</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 18:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speak for yoursel, cvj. stop acting as the spokesman for all the middle class (&quot;our stock of social capital has been further depleted...&quot;). YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRESUME THAT THEY ALL THINK THE WAY YOU DO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speak for yoursel, cvj. stop acting as the spokesman for all the middle class (&#8220;our stock of social capital has been further depleted&#8230;&#8221;). YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRESUME THAT THEY ALL THINK THE WAY YOU DO!</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/05/25/lanao-invasion/comment-page-3/#comment-493333</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the election results have shown, Hello Garci was a factor for the rest.  The middle class will find out that ignoring cheating in the elections just because it was not their candidate who was cheated is myopic and ultimately self-defeating since it has weakened the institutions that it needs to keep our society working.  As a group, it still has to learn the basics of reciprocity needed to maintain social cohesion. As it is, our stock of social capital has  been further depleted under Arroyo.  In practical terms, this will lead to higher transaction costs that will hinder productive business activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the election results have shown, Hello Garci was a factor for the rest.  The middle class will find out that ignoring cheating in the elections just because it was not their candidate who was cheated is myopic and ultimately self-defeating since it has weakened the institutions that it needs to keep our society working.  As a group, it still has to learn the basics of reciprocity needed to maintain social cohesion. As it is, our stock of social capital has  been further depleted under Arroyo.  In practical terms, this will lead to higher transaction costs that will hinder productive business activity.</p>
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