My Inquirer Current entry today in a sense, takes off from my Arab News column for this week, Blunders Allied With Crimes. An article in Slate today tackles how the United States tackled the Philippines and you can contrast this with an article in The Objective Standard as to why the United States is bogged down in Iraq, with no successful end game in sight. The analogy here is that neither America nor the AFP are countering insurgencies here at home or Iraq as they did at the turn of the 20th Century: and thus both are failing to meet their objectives.
Using force isn’t necessarily proof of either will, or genuine strength. It can be a sign of weakness or, something just as bad, a kind of selective blindness.
Take the President’s response to the latest survey on self-rated poverty. The President suggests people should take a second look at how their prioritize their spending, but at the same time, the government announces more casinos. And along the way, contradicts the very things that enabled the economic statistics in which she takes pride: had people not been smoking as much, or sending it out zillions of text messages, her raising taxes (not a reform, as she claims, but the logical question of her over-spending) would not have been able to compensated for what came before. Her laying it on thick on Tony Lopez also belies her claim to not being obsessed with politics, when as any president does, so does her cabinet: and what are Raul Gonzales (whose job is the Justice Department) and Ricardo Saludo (whose job is to be Secretary to the Cabinet) doing but politicking?
But of course it all makes perfect sense if you don’t deviate, one bit, from Palace-supplied talking points. It depends on a literal reading of the laws and an unsophisticated attitude towards the exercise of power. But we all know what is legal isn’t necessarily right, and what is possible isn’t necessarily what should be done. See the account in Newsbreak of where the culpability of the executive department lies. In cops misrepresenting themselves. In delays that are in themselves, violations of justice. the point is not that people have no right to sue, they do -but should they be suing all the people who get sued, and on the grounds used to justify the suits, and should the manner in which cases are filed and the police enforce warrants and so forth, be accepted without any questions? I think not, and that’s the whole point.
there’s an interesting editorial from Business Mirror, on the chance the President might veto portions of the national budget, which has been waiting for the President’s signature since February 22, but which will only be signed today (after the campaign has started, which meant the campaign began with budgetary breathing room for the Palace).
A whole slew of commentaries on corruption: overall, from Marvin Tort; from Jarius Bondoc, referring to school teachers; Bong Austero on mulcting cops.
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Bencard,
So that explains everything, kaya naman pala e.
At least now I understand why you’re so out-of-touch with the reality here. Typical Pinoy immigrant who thinks he’s above all Pinoys he left behind. Just like the Kleenex girl here, who I believe is living in (and pontificating from) some snowy state too.
Ah, but you all won’t come back because the Filipino is NOT worth dying for anymore, huh?
So be careful with Boston taxi cabs na lang.
tagabukid, if all Filipinos are like you and Anna, the answer is yes, the Filipino is no longer worth dying for. Thank God, there is only a minuscule number of you, no matter how you try to inflate the figures.
LOL (rolling on the floor laughing..hahaha!)
I honestly dont know who’s inflating the figures here, I guess it’s your imagination again.
You still owe us the list of Gloria Arroyo’s achievements. I would venture to ask, is it so minuscule you’re still inflating it?
tagabukid. I don’t owe you “nothing”. Find out the truth for yourself, or wallow in your own prejudice, for all I care.
jepo, I saw the picture. Mukha namang hindi bansot, pero mabantot naman. Sa tingin ko siya nga ‘yon.
Sige nga Rego, start listing the many things to be criticized about Gloria. Then we’ll start ours on the Opposition.-Ricelander.
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OK, Ricelander, heres one…
I condemn Gloria for allowing his two sons to run for congressman. It a violation consitution principle of equal opportunity for all. If I am a voter of in their respective districts I defintely will note vot for them.
Can you do the same for Alan Peter Cayetano and Koko Pimentel? If you really are for good governance as you claimed to be Then you should be condeming these kind of tricks being employed the opposition.
I despise Gloria attempt to cling to power. How about you. Do you despise Nene Pimentel attempt to “immortalized” their family name in the Senate by allowing his son to run for senate before he will be banned to run again?
Heres another one, I would say the political killings of the activist is an administration despecable act.. What can you say the same about the killings being comitted by the NPAs. Which we all know that those leftist organization elected through party list are connected? How about the killing perpetrated by Erpa through Lacson like the Bobby Dacer case. May I hear anything from you about Lacson?
I ask for more accomplishments from Gloria administartions. Do ask for the same from the opposition? I as far as I can remember no from the pro opposition are doing the same.
You accused Gloria as corrupt. Can you accuse Lacson of as corrupt as well?
Gloria cheated in the last election. And you violently reacted to the allegation. Did you react in the same manner to allegations that Jamby Madrigal also cheated in the last election?
Glorias real estate propertes acquisition need to be investigated. Will you demand teh same investigation sto Lacson real estate acquisition as well?
Here more Ricelander,
Gloria is helping Jocjoc Bolante in the US. What can you say about how about Mancao and Ray Aquino hiding in the US . You will just be silent on it because they are closely associated to Lacson and Erap?
How about the people that were order killed by Erap?
Jeg :
I for one, am waiting for someone who can tell me who can replace Gloria, now.
Noli de Castro. Because people voted for him. If I remember correctly, even more people voted for him than Gloria. Whether or not I think he’ll be a good president is irrelevant. One, because we dont know the answer to that, and two I got outvoted and I have to honor the decision of the people who did vote for him.
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Jeg,
Yes, Noli being the duly elected and ligitimate vice president should replace Gloria. But that we should remove Gloria through the consitutionally defined process , the impeachment.
I will definitely have a very big issue with his capability to run the government. But Gloria was removed sucessfully I just have to abide with the consitution.
On the senate election. I was just wondering why with all the “super loud” claimed of teh bloggers that we all wanted to have a better Philippines. Why then can’t we vote for Dr Martin Bautista? Why peopel like MLQ3 would rather vote for John Osmena and Nikki Coseting than Dr Martin Bautista? I really cannot see the Philippine sto be better with the two. In teh first place they have been in senate before and I dont see any great accomplishment at all.
“Why are you still here? shouldn’t you be hanging out at austero or cathcath’s blog instead?”
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Of course we do visit Austeros and Ca T s blog. Hanging out in this blogs is like telling it in your faces that not everything is bad with Gloria that you wanted all your readers to believe.
If you will notice Austero doesn’t write all about plus side of Gloria. He too point out minuses of Gloria and pluses of the opposition. So were OK with it that there is no violent reaction from us.
Over here we really are compelled to write comments at least to balance out the whole picture.
“gloria does not even represent the government for she only represents its executive branch”.- bystander.
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Exactly so what ever the failures of this government should never ever be construed as Gloria inflicted alone.
People in the opposition and even all of us here is a part of that government. Sabi nga ni Austero, we are all in this together. Failure of our country is failure of all of us not only Gloria.
The focus really is not to bring down Gloria. But to help out on this what she started or initiated. If she committed some violaion then lets apply the law on prosecuting the president.
I dont believe it will be good if we just vote anybody in the opposition just becasue he is against Gloria. We shoudl really choose our senator and other running for various positions based on the promise that they will bring to the progess of the country……
“besides, being in jail or facing charges in court does not necessarily mean they’re already guilty. they are still presumed innocent because they have yet to be convicted.” – bystander.
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Exactly we why dont we work on susbtantiating all the allegations being thrown to the Arroyo’s. The opposition should just stop convincing people and even claiming people that they are guilty already. Gather all the proofs and file the necessary charges in teh proper court.
I honestly dont know who’s inflating the figures here, I guess it’s your imagination again.
You still owe us the list of Gloria Arroyo’s achievements. I would venture to ask, is it so minuscule you’re still inflating it?
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I understand why Bencard is not replying to you directly. Becuase once he do that you will just refuse to believ it like zombie…
Glorias achievement is all over. On the area of economic alone even the foriegn businessmen are saying that it getting better. For one thing the econmy is positively growing. If that is not enough then lets make it better You and me , opposition and administration shoudl just work harder to improve it rather than destroying it.
The mere fact that we can still hold election is an achivement in it self. But im sure you will just refuse to see it and yes like zombie.
1. the president proposes laws, the senate decides whether to adopt in part or in toto, the proposals. on essential policy you will find the opposition has been amenable (evat, security legislation, etc.) and when not amenable, outvoted (generally in the house). the criteria for the senatorial election to me is, should the senate adopt the president’s official attitude to the senate (she resists what is, to my mind, an equally important aspect of senatorial work, oversight and investigation) and simply be a passive collaborator or not.
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1. Then how come GO candidate are going around telling people that they will not cooperate with Mrs Arroyo. They should make it very clear to the voters that they can cooperate on the proposals that will bring positive results for the country…And did you see that John Osmenas ad ” Ibasura ang EVAT?
I cant totally agree that Mrs Arroyo resisted the oversight and investigation function of the senate and House. She may have resisted some which she perceived is detrimental to the her adminsitration . But the senate should just fight to defend their function. The Venable contract investigation went on and resulted positively to it being rescinded. The fertilzer scam went on and resulted to the filing of appropriate charges. The Garci investigation went on….
However there were just too many investigations inteh senate and house which just resulted to nothing and just wasted so much time.
bystander, you – you precisely are the one who gave me the idea that you were speaking for Manolo by taking it upon yourself (poorly, in my estimation) to respond to my questions specifically addressed to him. If you consider yourself “juvenileâ€Â, go play with the little boys – maybe you can bully your way with them. –bencard
–next time you post a comment here, make sure you put a reminder that only manolo or some other person can react or answer to some of your not-in-touch-with-reality questions. now i understand why your questions are full of wrong assumptions.
2. congress also approves appointments, and its a contravention of generations of executive-legislative relations that the president basically insists on her way even when appointments are rejected (the sec. of justice is a scandalous example, in any other administration and any previous era, no president would have been so stubborn about her appointee)”
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I dont think this shoudl be so much of an issue. Because its not against the law anyway. We shoudl also see how the appointment was rejected.
If she perceived Sec Gonzales as heplful to her then she has all the right to keep him.
Maybe what should be done is to come up with a law that will prevent president from doing that.
The thing is each president has their way of doing things. For as long as ther is no law or consitutonla provision that is being violated . Ther shoudl be no problem.
Should I name names here? If you are going to elect even a dog in the Senate just because you like the Opposition, are you deaf or blind? –The Ca t
–If there are dogs in the opposition, aren’t there dogs too — rabid dogs — in the administration? What a question coming from a ca t.
No, ca t. I’m neither deaf nor blind. I’ve heard the Hello Garci tapes numerous times and I’m quite sure it was your idol who talked to a comelec commissioner to ensure her victory at the polls. I’ve also seen, at least on national television, the cold-blooded murders of activists since your idol came to power in 2001. How about you, ca t? Are you deaf and blind?
4. as for your “Why should a group of self-seeking aspirants be elected on avowed ‘platform’ of trying (again) to impeach the president without even mentioning a single positive plan for a better economic, political and social agenda for the country†i happen to think it’s tremendously positive to insist on accountability and putting to rest once and for all, and not through technicalities, issues that should have been addressed in 2005. and i’ve explained at length my views that the president is not deserving of credit for the improvements that we’ve seen in the economy, not least because they’re not her doing, and because she may actually be reversing some positive gains (see the business mirror editorial i linked to thursday), and that furthermore the succesful policies that are in place are the kind that every government, not just the president’s, will have to continue”
========================================================I dont have problems with the technicalities. the process is defined in the consitutions by all means we should follow it. If we are to ignore all the technical defect this will again be a bad precedent that will result to never ending debate again.
5. with regards to other candidates on whom we disagree, esp. cayetano, we differ on where dynasties are unhealthy. i don’t really consider it a problem in the case of national office like the senate. it’s more of a concern in the house, and there the president is poised to have what, 3 to 5 family votes vs. cayetanos in the upper house? and recall the only reason her son isn’t running for the senate is that he would lose. that being said, i refer you to the president’s executive secretary who seems in agreement with koko pimentel.
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To me its not really on the percieved “unsoundness”. The issue is that its a violation of a constutitional provision. The same issue you have with Mrs Aroyo. Remember, con ass, and the PI, you “violently” reacted to it because of such violations.
6. with regards to your objection to trillanes, he’s facing his charges unlike his former commander-in-chief, and i have expressed my view that an election is the surest way a person can achieve vindication politically -so we should welcome his running. for that reason i’d also expressed the opinion that if the president didn’t want to resign or face impeachment, she should have called for a referendum on her staying in office. charles de gaulle would have done that -and did.
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I beiev you are usingteh election fo rteh wrong reason. In the case of trillanes, what if he lose the election. does that mean Mrs Aroyos vindication.
I even believe that this election shoudl never be used as referendum for Mrs Aroyo. What happens if not all opposition candidates. Does that mean that Mrs Arroyo shoudl never be prosecuted for her alleged crime?
Our Electoral system is just so complicated and faulty to be use as tool to fix nations problem.
If we want a referendum of Mrs Aroyo them we shoudl hold one. There is no way that you can use the senate election as a referendum. But of course, it Mrs Arroyo prerogative to cal one or not. Mrs Aroyo isjust no De Gaulle and what works for France is not a gurante that it will work for the Philippines.
now, now, bystander. Don’t you be presumptious. I thought this is MLQ3’s blog. He should make the rules, not you. And suppose I ignore your “edict”, what are you gonna do about it, huh?
Exactly so what ever the failures of this government should never ever be construed as Gloria inflicted alone. –rego
–You must analyze my statement in its proper context, rego. I said it in reaction to tony abaya’s opinion regarding his indirect assumption that the state is gloria personified and vice-versa and to which i reacted by saying that overthrowing gloria and/or the government does not mean overthrowing the state. there. got it?
Now, since you are applying that statement in another context, this is my answer: yes, gloria is merely the head of the executive branch, one of the three “co-equal” branches of government, the other two being the legislative and judicial branches. But as you can see, it is the executive branch that implements the laws, policies and programs and this is where i think gloria arroyo miserably failed and continues to fail. Whatever so-called economic “gains” she said she has achieved should not be to her credit alone but to the millions of OFWs who continue to send billions of dollar remittances that help prop up the fragile economy. Besides, these so-called gains are dwarfed by the all-important issues of accountability, corruption and human rights. These are the issues which i think she does not want to address because she and her cabal benefited from them.
–If there are dogs in the opposition, aren’t there dogs too  rabid dogs  in the administration? What a question coming from a ca t.
No, ca t. I’m neither deaf nor blind. I’ve heard the Hello Garci tapes numerous times and I’m quite sure it was your idol who talked to a comelec commissioner to ensure her victory at the polls. I’ve also seen, at least on national television, the cold-blooded murders of activists since your idol came to power in 2001.– bystander.
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I believe the point is, you can not just come to use proclaiming that he opposition line up is better compared to teh administration line up.
And if you are not deaf and blind then what about the allegation of cheating by Jamby Madrigal? What is your reaction sto the innocent peopel being killed by the left wehre this activist is closely associated? what about the bombng of the school or Globe transmitter comitted by NPAs? Can you hear them? can you see them?
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now, now, bystander. Don’t you be presumptious. I thought this is MLQ3’s blog. He should make the rules, not you. And suppose I ignore your “edictâ€Â, what are you gonna do about it, huh? –bencard
–Look who’s talking. You imposed your own “rule” in the first place by telling me not to answer for manolo. Why, is there any rule or practice here that only the person to whom the questions are addressed should react or post a comment? Tell me. And here you come saying that I should not make the rules? How about you?
As I said, you’re free to ignore me or my comments much as I have the freedom to ignore you as well.
I dont believe it will be good if we just vote anybody in the opposition just becasue he is against Gloria. We shoudl really choose our senator and other running for various positions based on the promise that they will bring to the progess of the country…… –rego
–Who said that rego, me? But I agree to the last sentence though.
bystander, when I suggested to you to let Manolo answer the question I SPECIFICALLY addressed to him, I was not imposing any rule. ( Remember, I was asking about his “thought process” which nobody could presume to know other than himself). It was just elementary courtesy to let the man speak for himself without somebody butting in and presuming he knows better. I think even a “juvenile” would understand that.
Exactly we why dont we work on susbtantiating all the allegations being thrown to the Arroyo’s. The opposition should just stop convincing people and even claiming people that they are guilty already. Gather all the proofs and file the necessary charges in teh proper court. –rego
–FYI rego, GMA (even if she is a bogus president to me) is technically immune from suit under the Constitution. The only way to remove her from office is through the process of impeachment which sad to say has been bastardized by her allies in Congress. The opposition had truckloads of evidence that they wanted to present in order, as you say, to “substantiate” the charges of lying, cheating and stealing. But what did her minions do? They blocked it on a mere technicality, banking on their superiority in terms of numbers.
bystander, when I suggested to you to let Manolo answer the question I SPECIFICALLY addressed to him, I was not imposing any rule. ( Remember, I was asking about his “thought process†which nobody could presume to know other than himself). It was just elementary courtesy to let the man speak for himself without somebody butting in and presuming he knows better. I think even a “juvenile†would understand that. –bencard
–That’s why I said you were the first one to impose a “rule”. I did not say you imposed a rule in its strict connotation. If you still don’t get it, the “practice” here is anybody could comment or react to a particular question even if he/she is not asked to. So your claim of “elementary courtesy” seems out of place as far as the “culture” of this blog is concerned. As to your snipe that I was presuming that I know better, it’s only the opinion of someone living in Boston and not the opinion of the majority of 80 million Filipinos living here in the Philippines. So why should i care?
To me its not really on the percieved “unsoundnessâ€Â. The issue is that its a violation of a constutitional provision. The same issue you have with Mrs Aroyo. Remember, con ass, and the PI, you “violently†reacted to it because of such violations. –rego
–The Constitutional provision banning political dynasties, unlike other constitutional provisions (for example the Bill of Rights), is not a self-executing one. It needs a law to define and limit its scope. Hence, no law was really violated by cayetano, pimentel et al. for there was no law in the first place. Why don’t you pin the blame on GMA’s cohorts in Congress? For the six years that they’ve been in power, they never bothered to enact a law regarding political dynasties. So why blame Cayetano for deciding to run for senator? That the main reason why JDV et al. did not enact a law on political dynasties is because they themselves benefit from the lack of it. Unless you’re deaf and blind, for sure you’ve heard about this three-term congressman letting his wife, son or daughter run in his place. This is prevalent from both sides of the political fence, not just cayetano or pimentel. Besides, I take issue with the term “dynasty”. How can there be a dynasty when it is the people who would ultimately vote for them? It is not as if the position is inherited from one family member to another. That is why we have elections.
I believe the point is, you can not just come to use proclaiming that he opposition line up is better compared to teh administration line up.
And if you are not deaf and blind then what about the allegation of cheating by Jamby Madrigal? What is your reaction sto the innocent peopel being killed by the left wehre this activist is closely associated? what about the bombng of the school or Globe transmitter comitted by NPAs? Can you hear them? can you see them? –rego
–Had I been bencard, I would have insisted on letting the ca t answer or react to my comment instead of you butting in or reacting it for her. But luckily, I am not him so I will not dismiss your reaction as violative of what he calls “elementary courtesy”. Suffice it to say that this is one perfect example that anybody could react or make a comment to any statement posted in this blog even if such statement is SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED to someone else.
Let me go now to your question. Here are my answers:
1. I did not say the line-up in the opposition is better compared to that of the administration. You do not even know if I will vote for them. I was merely pointing out to the ca t that dogs abound in both sides of the political fence.
2. Who alleged that Jamby cheated, Mike Defensor? Johnny Enrile? Allegations of cheating are not proof of cheating. There’s a whale of difference between the two, rego. Please also assess the credibilities of her accusers and find out for yourself if they don’t have an axe to grind against the lady senator. I am not saying she is innocent of the charges.
3. No need for me to react because the CPP-NPA already admitted to having conducted purges in the 80s against suspected spies within its ranks. But as to who really ordered the purges and who actually conducted them is another question. Aren’t they now persecuting Satur Ocampo et al. based on an affidavit that has been retracted and perjured a number of times by the same witnesses?
4. Yes, I could hear alleged NPAs bombing cell sites of companies that allegedly refuse to give money. And I condemn such acts in the same way that I condemn the military for preying on the easy targets — the activists, students, lawyers, workers, fishermen and farmers — instead of pointing their guns at the NPAs in the mountains.
“2. Who alleged that Jamby cheated, Mike Defensor? Johnny Enrile? Allegations of cheating are not proof of cheating. There’s a whale of difference between the two, rego. Please also assess the credibilities of her accusers and find out for yourself if they don’t have an axe to grind against the lady senator. I am not saying she is innocent of the charges. ”
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Exactly, what ever you had against Gloria cheating are all allegations not proof. And you are already declaring her government as illegitimate or bogus. So where is the proof? And where is the conviction of cheating. Loren Legarda has filed a complaint in PET about her being cheated . where is the proof?
You question Enrile or Mike Defensor credibility in raising the Madrigal cheating . But did you question the credibility of Cayetano and those that raised teh Garci Tape???? Isn’t that blindness?
bystander, did you or did you not say I imposed a rule (“strict connotation” or not)? You just don’t want to give up, do you – even if your position is indefensible?
There you go again, presuming to know what’s in the mind of 80 million people. Wow, for crying out loud!
Did you get that from Pulse Asia too?
The Constitutional provision banning political dynasties, unlike other constitutional provisions (for example the Bill of Rights), is not a self-executing one. It needs a law to define and limit its scope. Hence, no law was really violated by cayetano, pimentel et al. for there was no law in the first place. Why don’t you pin the blame on GMA’s cohorts in Congress? -Bystander
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Im not even refering to the bill of rights. I was refering to con ass and PI which was condemn by your side due o violations consitutional provision. PI was higlighted by your side as ” no enabling law , but was turned out later that there is one. Of course I dont deny the other reason was how the signatures were gather (I myself put in writing in this blogs that I dont agree)
We are all both aware on the negative effects of political dynasty. That is the reason why I did not react to defend Mikey and Dato when I first read about the entry of MLQ3 condeming the running as “garapalan”. But later own take the Cayetano’s issue as not really unhealthy.
If Cayetano and Koko Pimentel , especially the Pimentel the father are really for the good governance and reforms.(which is there main issue with Mrs Arroyo) They should even be the first one to spearhead the campaign to have the the anti polictical dynasty bill passed to be.
And please check closely the history of this political dynasty. Because it did not start with Gloria. Erap did it ahead of Gloria by allowing Jinggoy to run even when Loi is alreayd a senator. And even Cory did not prevent his son Noynoy even when Butz Aquino and Tess Oreta is already their.
We already saw how the local governments and the House of representative is teeming with political dynasty. Now you dont even want to spare the senate. Instead of pushing for the anti dynasty law, you would even want to make the problem worst. All because you hated Gloria. So its alright if Cayetano get elected. I can just wonder how will react if Cayetano is pro -Gloria….Im sure all your arguments will change dramatically.
–FYI rego, GMA (even if she is a bogus president to me) is technically immune from suit under the Constitution. The only way to remove her from office is through the process of impeachment which sad to say has been bastardized by her allies in Congress. The opposition had truckloads of evidence that they wanted to present in order, as you say, to “substantiate†the charges of lying, cheating and stealing. But what did her minions do? They blocked it on a mere technicality, banking on their superiority in terms of numbers.- Bystander.
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FYI bystander, The Spice Boys was a minority when they initiated the Erap Impeachment. They were able to gather enough support from their colleagues then by really working hard on it and presenting all the evidence that they have gathered. They were even able to get teh supoort of the people.
So why cant the opposition gathered enough support with their Gloria impeachment. Hindi kay mahin atalga ang mga ebidensya at hindi kumbinsido ang karamihan ng taong bayan?
O say there are truck loads, where are they then? So why Cayeatano cannot even save substantiate his allegation towards Mr Arroyo in congress. O yeah they are in a box being paraded in Makati and as Cayetano said he will rather open at a proper forum and time. But hey did he know that they are not gathering enough number of peopelin ther street to support their clamor for peopel power against Gloria. So why not just open that box to convince peopel to go to the streets.
If you are not blind, you woudl have seen Cayetano beyond blah blah blah. The reason why he wanted all to present the truckloads of evidence is that he wanted us to elect him in the senate first because he can no longer run for congress. That even when his siter is already in the senate. He coudl have respecte dteh consitutional provision on political dynasty and just work side by side with his sister in prosecuting Mrs Arroyo. Or maybe he can not even convicne his sister that he truckload of evidence that he has to run himself and get elected?
3. No need for me to react because the CPP-NPA already admitted to having conducted purges in the 80s against suspected spies within its ranks. But as to who really ordered the purges and who actually conducted them is another question. Aren’t they now persecuting Satur Ocampo et al. based on an affidavit that has been retracted and perjured a number of times by the same witnesses? —Bystander.
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If the foudnation of charges against Satur Ocampo is really weak. Then there should be no problem facing his accuser in court. As you have said earlier being in jail is not being guilty. So why not just put the allow Ocampo to prove his innocence in court and close this issue once and for all????
If the foundation of the charges for impeachable offenses against GMA is really weak then there should be no problem facing her accusers before the impeachment court. So why not just allow GMA to prove her innocence in the impeachment court and close the issue once and for all????
Exactly, what ever you had against Gloria cheating are all allegations not proof. And you are already declaring her government as illegitimate or bogus. So where is the proof? And where is the conviction of cheating. Loren Legarda has filed a complaint in PET about her being cheated . where is the proof?
You question Enrile or Mike Defensor credibility in raising the Madrigal cheating . But did you question the credibility of Cayetano and those that raised teh Garci Tape???? Isn’t that blindness?
–I’ve answered this question many, many times rego. Nakakasawa na nga eh. Surprisingly, these questions come from people like you who find it so hard to comprehend what happened before, during and after the 2004 elections. While it is so easy for you to dismiss the charges against gloria, it is surprisingly easy for you to believe the allegations of the other side as gospel truth. By the way, if you’re asking for physical and testimonial evidence of cheating, I’m sorry to say that this is not the venue for the simple reason that this is merely a blog for discussion of issues and not a court of law where evidence can be presented.
Between Cayetano and Enrile or Defensor, I guess it’s a matter of personal judgment. If you really believe that Gloria’s minions are far more credible than the opposition, then it’s up to you. Continue to believe in them but don’t expect me to do the same.
We are all both aware on the negative effects of political dynasty. That is the reason why I did not react to defend Mikey and Dato when I first read about the entry of MLQ3 condeming the running as “garapalanâ€Â. But later own take the Cayetano’s issue as not really unhealthy.
If Cayetano and Koko Pimentel , especially the Pimentel the father are really for the good governance and reforms.(which is there main issue with Mrs Arroyo) They should even be the first one to spearhead the campaign to have the the anti polictical dynasty bill passed to be.
And please check closely the history of this political dynasty. Because it did not start with Gloria. Erap did it ahead of Gloria by allowing Jinggoy to run even when Loi is alreayd a senator. And even Cory did not prevent his son Noynoy even when Butz Aquino and Tess Oreta is already their.
–You just don’t get it rego. Cayetano and Pimentel can run for the Senate because there is no law prohibiting them. As simple as that. Don’t complicate the issue by insisting on one and then blaming the opposition for it. As I said, Gloria and her allies in Congress have been in power for 6 years. Why didn’t they pass a law if they were really serious in invoking it? Furthermore, how can there be a political dynasty in a democracy? The position is not passed on from one family member to another as a matter of birth right. They still have to be voted upon by the people. So where is the dynasty there? For me, the remedy should be voter education in order to have a mature electorate — that they won’t vote into office members of the same political family who are only public servants during the campaign period.
bystander, did you or did you not say I imposed a rule (â€Âstrict connotation†or not)? You just don’t want to give up, do you – even if your position is indefensible?
There you go again, presuming to know what’s in the mind of 80 million people. Wow, for crying out loud!
Did you get that from Pulse Asia too? –bencard
–Will I answer this or not? Hmmm.. better not. The cracks in your argument are showing. Yes, majority of the 80 million people do not hold the same view as you for the simple reason that it’s practically impossible for them to take notice of your juvenile antics, especially from one who comes from far away Boston. You can cry until your tears run dry but still they won’t hear you. Kawawa naman.
bystander, dream on. I think the worst pinoy bad habit is presumptuousness and you are full of it. Shame!
yes Bencard, that’s stinky ana for you.
she has lost all valid arguments that’s why..a little nicer maybe than skunk(with apology to the species)
bystander, dream on. I think the worst pinoy bad habit is presumptuousness and you are full of it. Shame!
–Haha.. Again, look who’s talking! Look at the man on the mirror first before the self-righteous in you judges others. You think so highly of yourself. Hay naku..
watchful eye says : So why not just allow GMA to prove her innocence in the impeachment court and close the issue once and for all????
The answer is, firstly, the presumption of innocence (The burden is on the state to prove guilt; the accused does not have to prove his/her innocence; the accused does not have to say a single word in his/her defense) and secondly, the process has already been defined, namely those who wish to see to GMA’s impeachment has to have the organizational skills and political strength to convince enough congressmen to forward the matter to the Senate. And of course, large-scale protests (aka Edsa-twelve) is an option.
I’ve realized that it was nonsense to have reacted at all to you. You’re one big NIGHTMARE that I wouldn’t even dare dreaming.
You call me presumptuous? What about you? How should I call you? A self-righteous troll? Instead of discussing issues point blank, you resort to name-calling. That’s the refuge of someone who can’t even defend his arguments. Shame on you even more!
watchful eye :
If the foundation of the charges for impeachable offenses against GMA is really weak then there should be no problem facing her accusers before the impeachment court. So why not just allow GMA to prove her innocence in the impeachment court and close the issue once and for all????watchful eye.
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The pro impeachment people are all free to file the impeachment case. As a mater of fact it was filed twice. However prosecuting a president and prosecuting Satur has different processes defined in the consititution. Now the problem with previous impeachment cases is that it was technically defective and di not gain enough support from the congressman. It did not get enough support from the people either so it failed to produce people power
–You just don’t get it rego. Cayetano and Pimentel can run for the Senate because there is no law prohibiting them. As simple as that. Don’t complicate the issue by insisting on one and then blaming the opposition for it.
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I am not saying that they can not run becuase there is a law. I am not complicating it either. I think it was people like you who is complicating it. I pointed out oevr and over again that when it was gloria who resorted to Political dynasty the opposition was so quick to condemn it as garapalan. But when the Oppsition resorted to it. Wala na tahimik.
All im saying her actually is which is basically what I was trying to say in my original post in this thread is that people in your side seem to have a double standard. It like its a “mortal sin” if Gloria did it but if the opposition are doing it eh OK lang.
Its political dynasty for Mikey in Dato to run for congress but its is not for Koko and Cayetano. No matter if the Dato and Mikey has not file their candidacy yet. Whiel Koko and Cayetano is alreayd campaigning.
And this where we went into the “deaf and blind argument”.
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As I said, Gloria and her allies in Congress have been in power for 6 years. Why didn’t they pass a law if they were really serious in invoking it? Furthermore, how can there be a political dynasty in a democracy? The position is not passed on from one family member to another as a matter of birth right. They still have to be voted upon by the people. So where is the dynasty there? For me, the remedy should be voter education in order to have a mature electorate  that they won’t vote into office members of the same political family who are only public servants during the campaign period.”
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There is a an existing bill on banning polical dynasty. And it was even more shameful for Nene Pimentel becuase he is very muchg involve on it but allowed Koko to run. You can also visit the website of Bayan Muna beccause they are preparing for the bill.
We are moving in the direction of banning polical dynasty. But both the administration and the opposition is doing is that they are making teh problem even worst that theyu both stuffing the House and the senate with political dynasty. Making it even more deficult for the bill to be passed. And shutting up the voices of the anti political dynasty people.
Hang on Jepo, isn’t that YOU on the left and BENCARD on the right – were you guys doing a show for Mike Fatso Arroyo there or for his younger Pidal brother!
Honestly, didn’t realize you and Bencard were twins!
And pppppulizzzzz, don’t believe you can hide your stench by hiding behind ladies’ pics or are they your wives or sisters?
Hahahahahahhhahhhahah!
Gosh, you two ugly, old farts are really BORING (just like your stinker of a mistress Gloria)! Yuck, yuck!
All im saying her actually is which is basically what I was trying to say in my original post in this thread is that people in your side seem to have a double standard. It like its a “mortal sin†if Gloria did it but if the opposition are doing it eh OK lang. –rego
Who said that, me? Again you are assuming something which I never said. Please go over the comment threads. In fact, I even said that this practice is prevalent on both sides of the political fence.
a de b, you are an embarrasment to all the d.h’s in europe. instead of spewing obsceneties from your orifices
(both up and down), just go clean the bowl after filling it with your crap – your masters are coming!