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	<title>Comments on: The Economist: growth to slow</title>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/03/05/the-economist-growth-to-slow/comment-page-2/#comment-439682</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read the transcript of remoto&#039;s podcast interview. He said he is not advocating for special rights for any body.

So far, I like his recommendations for the problems about education. hindi kagaya noong kay Escudero na no brainer.

his answers are diret to the point, unlike kay koko na alam mong wala pang experience panay general ang solution. parang nagpeprescribe ng aspirin sa lahat ng sakit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read the transcript of remoto&#8217;s podcast interview. He said he is not advocating for special rights for any body.</p>
<p>So far, I like his recommendations for the problems about education. hindi kagaya noong kay Escudero na no brainer.</p>
<p>his answers are diret to the point, unlike kay koko na alam mong wala pang experience panay general ang solution. parang nagpeprescribe ng aspirin sa lahat ng sakit.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first statement should read; there will be &quot;no&quot; preferential treatment.. sorry for the omission..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first statement should read; there will be &#8220;no&#8221; preferential treatment.. sorry for the omission..</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/03/05/the-economist-growth-to-slow/comment-page-2/#comment-439601</link>
		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

I agree with your statement that there will be preferential treatment for anyone in a society, but equal treatment instead.  Individually and privately, a person could have his/her own prejudice and biases, no doubt about it, but for the government to have one, will be in violation of it&#039;s obligations and duties towards its subjects. As our country have evolved all through the years, collective efforts by its leaders and the courts have corrected much of these defects as we matured.  now, the way i see it and perhaps much of the world our evolution is almost complete, not yet there, but getting close...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I agree with your statement that there will be preferential treatment for anyone in a society, but equal treatment instead.  Individually and privately, a person could have his/her own prejudice and biases, no doubt about it, but for the government to have one, will be in violation of it&#8217;s obligations and duties towards its subjects. As our country have evolved all through the years, collective efforts by its leaders and the courts have corrected much of these defects as we matured.  now, the way i see it and perhaps much of the world our evolution is almost complete, not yet there, but getting close&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/03/05/the-economist-growth-to-slow/comment-page-1/#comment-439320</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, apologies for the confusion is probably due to my sentence construction.   What i meant to say was that unless we get into the territory of imposing legislated minimum hiring quotas for GLBT&#039;s, the risk of going overboard in terms of preferential treatment is minimal.  Bottomline is, we&#039;re on the same side in this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, apologies for the confusion is probably due to my sentence construction.   What i meant to say was that unless we get into the territory of imposing legislated minimum hiring quotas for GLBT&#8217;s, the risk of going overboard in terms of preferential treatment is minimal.  Bottomline is, we&#8217;re on the same side in this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/03/05/the-economist-growth-to-slow/comment-page-1/#comment-439209</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CVJ: minimum hiring quotas for GLBTs??? So if you were making government policy, I would be forced to hire a certain number of gay persons in my company, even if they weren&#039;t the most qualified, just because they&#039;re gay? I&#039;m going to have to ask for a person&#039;s sexual orientation on my application forms? &quot;Oh, I&#039;m sorry, I can&#039;t hire you, the position&#039;s only for gays.&quot; Isn&#039;t that the mirror image of the kind of discrimination against gays that you&#039;re fighting against?

I&#039;m all for equal treatment--I&#039;m not going to fire someone just because he&#039;s gay--but preferential treatment will lead to all sorts of absurd situations, such as people pretending to be gay in order to get jobs, scholarships, etc. 

There are many companies doing that sort of thing abroad, and that&#039;s fine. But making it a government requirement is something I oppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CVJ: minimum hiring quotas for GLBTs??? So if you were making government policy, I would be forced to hire a certain number of gay persons in my company, even if they weren&#8217;t the most qualified, just because they&#8217;re gay? I&#8217;m going to have to ask for a person&#8217;s sexual orientation on my application forms? &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m sorry, I can&#8217;t hire you, the position&#8217;s only for gays.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t that the mirror image of the kind of discrimination against gays that you&#8217;re fighting against?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for equal treatment&#8211;I&#8217;m not going to fire someone just because he&#8217;s gay&#8211;but preferential treatment will lead to all sorts of absurd situations, such as people pretending to be gay in order to get jobs, scholarships, etc. </p>
<p>There are many companies doing that sort of thing abroad, and that&#8217;s fine. But making it a government requirement is something I oppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;surely, but if you take a good look at our charter the very first section, has this to say.. All rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limitationsâ€¦and that limitations is to be determined by the court if there is a challenged.&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting indeed. So the Canadian government, if it sees fit, can limit an individual&#039;s right of free association within &#039;reasonable limitations.&#039; Thanks, vic. Im sure a lot of Filipinos would want something like what you have in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>surely, but if you take a good look at our charter the very first section, has this to say.. All rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limitationsâ€¦and that limitations is to be determined by the court if there is a challenged.</i></p>
<p>Interesting indeed. So the Canadian government, if it sees fit, can limit an individual&#8217;s right of free association within &#8216;reasonable limitations.&#8217; Thanks, vic. Im sure a lot of Filipinos would want something like what you have in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeg,

surely, but if you take a good look at our charter the very first section, has this to say.. All rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limitations...and that limitations is to be determined by the court if there is a challenged. And I believe there are quite a few successful challenges in gender dominated club or organizations now and are open to all not just sexes but races, colour, and remember the physically and mentally handicaps have also the same rights..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeg,</p>
<p>surely, but if you take a good look at our charter the very first section, has this to say.. All rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limitations&#8230;and that limitations is to be determined by the court if there is a challenged. And I believe there are quite a few successful challenges in gender dominated club or organizations now and are open to all not just sexes but races, colour, and remember the physically and mentally handicaps have also the same rights..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeg</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/03/05/the-economist-growth-to-slow/comment-page-1/#comment-439092</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From vic: &lt;i&gt;In our case if that Employer refuses to hire someone on religious ground, the government can do nothing about it, but the courts could and he could be sued for violation of the constitutional rights with a substantial penalty for the injured party.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s Canada, right vic? Interesting. What if for example, there&#039;s a private all-male club--let&#039;s call it the Boy&#039;s Club of Toronto--and a woman wanted to join and she was refused. Could she sue and seek damages? And would she win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From vic: <i>In our case if that Employer refuses to hire someone on religious ground, the government can do nothing about it, but the courts could and he could be sued for violation of the constitutional rights with a substantial penalty for the injured party.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s Canada, right vic? Interesting. What if for example, there&#8217;s a private all-male club&#8211;let&#8217;s call it the Boy&#8217;s Club of Toronto&#8211;and a woman wanted to join and she was refused. Could she sue and seek damages? And would she win?</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge, yes there&#039;s always a risk of going overboard the other direction. However, unless we legislate minimum hiring quotas for GLBT&#039;s, the risk iof that happening is minimal.  As a society, we still have a long way to go in terms of accepting people despite their differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge, yes there&#8217;s always a risk of going overboard the other direction. However, unless we legislate minimum hiring quotas for GLBT&#8217;s, the risk iof that happening is minimal.  As a society, we still have a long way to go in terms of accepting people despite their differences.</p>
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		<title>By: jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The need for preferential action is based on the reality that prejudice against homosexuals results in a situation where they are evaluated on something other than their capabilities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

cjv, it can also be said that preferential action &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; presents a situation where they are evaluated on something other than their capabilities... thereby causing more prejudice. Preferential action, affirmative action... these just serve to perpetuate the cycle by creating more and more differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The need for preferential action is based on the reality that prejudice against homosexuals results in a situation where they are evaluated on something other than their capabilities.</p></blockquote>
<p>cjv, it can also be said that preferential action <strong>is</strong> presents a situation where they are evaluated on something other than their capabilities&#8230; thereby causing more prejudice. Preferential action, affirmative action&#8230; these just serve to perpetuate the cycle by creating more and more differences.</p>
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