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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-980841</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3% annual growth in GDP per capita pero may population growth rate ka na 2% .  Kulang pa rim to uplift the majority</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3% annual growth in GDP per capita pero may population growth rate ka na 2% .  Kulang pa rim to uplift the majority</p>
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		<title>By: Licensed Guns, Goons and Gold &#124; Sumilang: Kuru-kuro, opinyon at karanasan</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-398709</link>
		<dc:creator>Licensed Guns, Goons and Gold &#124; Sumilang: Kuru-kuro, opinyon at karanasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Finally her guns, storming provincial capitols occupied by Governors whom, unlike her were duly elected by their constituents, are not loyal or obedient to her will with such a force it could turn any provincial capitol in the country into an instant war zone. Serving arrest warrants, suspension orders and other legal means. Just like what MLQ3 wrote, &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em, suspend &#8216;em.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Finally her guns, storming provincial capitols occupied by Governors whom, unlike her were duly elected by their constituents, are not loyal or obedient to her will with such a force it could turn any provincial capitol in the country into an instant war zone. Serving arrest warrants, suspension orders and other legal means. Just like what MLQ3 wrote, &#8220;If you can&#8217;t beat &#8216;em, suspend &#8216;em.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-398153</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ca T, yes, i reached that same conclusion above (at January 17th, 2007 at 3:07 am).  Of course, the pre-December 1989 coup Cory still beats GMA hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ca T, yes, i reached that same conclusion above (at January 17th, 2007 at 3:07 am).  Of course, the pre-December 1989 coup Cory still beats GMA hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-397703</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim by Alex Magno is precise: Ã¢â‚¬Å“for the first time in its recorded economic history, the Philippines has posted a 3% per capita growth for five continuous years.Ã¢â‚¬Â
MLQ3 asked:
Is Magno claiming:

a) there has been 3% per capita growth, every single year, for the past five years
b) there has been an average of 3% growth on average, over the past five years

and if either a or b, in no other five-year period Ã¢â‚¬Å“in recorded historyÃ¢â‚¬Â for the Philippines, can there be said to have been something similar?

which makes me wonder:

1. when did philippine economic history begin to be recorded?
2. when did per capita economic growth begin to be recorded?
3. and has that growth never exceeded 3% for any arbitrarily-chosen five year chunk?
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ANSWER: 

letter b

computation:

Using cvj&#039;s statistics from 1986 to 2005 with 1985 as base year for deflated prices:

average growth rate from 2001-2005
2001 base year
2002 2.34
2003 2.73
2004 4.05
2005 2.88 

average 3.0

GMA

average growth rate from 1996-2000

1996 base year
1997- 2.86
1998-(2.73)
1999- 1.21
2000- 5.95

average rate 1.82

Ramos-Estrada

1991 base year
1992 (2.2)
1993 (0.38)
1994  1.89
1995  2.2

average growth rate 1.51 per cent

Ramos Administration

1986- base year

1987- 1.86
1988- 3.68
1989- 3.63
1990-(3.14)

Aquino
average growth rate 1.51


Therefore Magno is right.

Erm cvj, Looking at the averages, I think the housewife did not beat the economist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim by Alex Magno is precise: Ã¢â‚¬Å“for the first time in its recorded economic history, the Philippines has posted a 3% per capita growth for five continuous years.Ã¢â‚¬Â<br />
MLQ3 asked:<br />
Is Magno claiming:</p>
<p>a) there has been 3% per capita growth, every single year, for the past five years<br />
b) there has been an average of 3% growth on average, over the past five years</p>
<p>and if either a or b, in no other five-year period Ã¢â‚¬Å“in recorded historyÃ¢â‚¬Â for the Philippines, can there be said to have been something similar?</p>
<p>which makes me wonder:</p>
<p>1. when did philippine economic history begin to be recorded?<br />
2. when did per capita economic growth begin to be recorded?<br />
3. and has that growth never exceeded 3% for any arbitrarily-chosen five year chunk?<br />
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<p>ANSWER: </p>
<p>letter b</p>
<p>computation:</p>
<p>Using cvj&#8217;s statistics from 1986 to 2005 with 1985 as base year for deflated prices:</p>
<p>average growth rate from 2001-2005<br />
2001 base year<br />
2002 2.34<br />
2003 2.73<br />
2004 4.05<br />
2005 2.88 </p>
<p>average 3.0</p>
<p>GMA</p>
<p>average growth rate from 1996-2000</p>
<p>1996 base year<br />
1997- 2.86<br />
1998-(2.73)<br />
1999- 1.21<br />
2000- 5.95</p>
<p>average rate 1.82</p>
<p>Ramos-Estrada</p>
<p>1991 base year<br />
1992 (2.2)<br />
1993 (0.38)<br />
1994  1.89<br />
1995  2.2</p>
<p>average growth rate 1.51 per cent</p>
<p>Ramos Administration</p>
<p>1986- base year</p>
<p>1987- 1.86<br />
1988- 3.68<br />
1989- 3.63<br />
1990-(3.14)</p>
<p>Aquino<br />
average growth rate 1.51</p>
<p>Therefore Magno is right.</p>
<p>Erm cvj, Looking at the averages, I think the housewife did not beat the economist.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-396725</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 06:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, just to correct myself.  ricelander pointed that out to me earlier (at January 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, just to correct myself.  ricelander pointed that out to me earlier (at January 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm)</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ca T, you&#039;re right.  Ricelander also pointed that out to me in his comment above (at January 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ca T, you&#8217;re right.  Ricelander also pointed that out to me in his comment above (at January 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pm).</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-396318</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj wrote:
From the above data set, per capita GDP growth averages 2.3% between 2001 and 2005 which is marginally up from the average per capita growth of 2.2% between 1994 and 2005. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s far from de DiosÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ claim of 3% per year. Maybe he has a different data set or a different way of calculating the per capita GDP increase.
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De Dios is correct if the basis of computation is between from 2001 to 2005. 

The growth rate per year is as follow:

2001       base year
2002       2.4
2003       2.7
2004       4.05
2005       2.88
Total      12.03
divided by four Not five years since 2001 is the base year. Change is counted beginning 2002.

so if 12.03 is divided by four, you will 3.001 per cent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj wrote:<br />
From the above data set, per capita GDP growth averages 2.3% between 2001 and 2005 which is marginally up from the average per capita growth of 2.2% between 1994 and 2005. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s far from de DiosÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ claim of 3% per year. Maybe he has a different data set or a different way of calculating the per capita GDP increase.<br />
=======================</p>
<p>De Dios is correct if the basis of computation is between from 2001 to 2005. </p>
<p>The growth rate per year is as follow:</p>
<p>2001       base year<br />
2002       2.4<br />
2003       2.7<br />
2004       4.05<br />
2005       2.88<br />
Total      12.03<br />
divided by four Not five years since 2001 is the base year. Change is counted beginning 2002.</p>
<p>so if 12.03 is divided by four, you will 3.001 per cent.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-2/#comment-396288</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While indeed OFW remittances are considered part of GNP, it is also easy to see that there technically is no product or production involved here.&quot;



GNP is not only a measure of tangible products but intangible as well which are called services. Consultancy services are a part of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While indeed OFW remittances are considered part of GNP, it is also easy to see that there technically is no product or production involved here.&#8221;</p>
<p>GNP is not only a measure of tangible products but intangible as well which are called services. Consultancy services are a part of them.</p>
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		<title>By: ricelander</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2007/01/16/if-you-cant-beat-em-suspend-them/comment-page-1/#comment-395199</link>
		<dc:creator>ricelander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lest some would miss what I am trying to draw attention to: the average per capita GDP of 3.014% was made possible by the figure 4.05% for 2003-2004 for the rest of the figures are way below 3%.  What could have made the overshooting that year if not the elections?  What I&#039;m saying is that the growth rate Magno was being ecstatic about was mainly due to Gloria&#039;s election spending spree to win the elections in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest some would miss what I am trying to draw attention to: the average per capita GDP of 3.014% was made possible by the figure 4.05% for 2003-2004 for the rest of the figures are way below 3%.  What could have made the overshooting that year if not the elections?  What I&#8217;m saying is that the growth rate Magno was being ecstatic about was mainly due to Gloria&#8217;s election spending spree to win the elections in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Amadeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amadeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JohnM:

&lt;i&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Å“didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t help the younger bush thoÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ Ã¢â‚¬Å“&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree.  The younger Bush got what the elder one couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get, a precious second term.

And now, understandably this lame-duck administration has not visibly demonstrated sufficient motivation to defend the current economic gains, which are a lot better than the first term Ã¢â‚¬â€œ in productivity, housing ownership, tradition-shattering indices and employment/unemployment figures, etc.

While in the meantime, the critics have done a better job of dampening all these before the public.

&lt;i&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Å“Growth and resiliency are because of OFW economics. No imported raw materials, no power requirements, no green houses gases. If money is remitted through banking system, OFW earnings is similar to profits of an OPEC member producing 1 million barrel per day.Ã¢â‚¬Â&lt;/i&gt;

I thought the above quote from a commenter gave a good look at OFW remittances. Let me offer some additional comments.

While indeed OFW remittances are considered part of GNP, it is also easy to see that there technically is no product or production involved here.  I believe it was for this reason that when I was still working in the local banking industry there, these remittances were described and categorized by CB authorities as &lt;i&gt;Ã¢â‚¬Å“foreign exchange invisiblesÃ¢â‚¬Â&lt;/i&gt; because they were not covered with documentation (such as drafts and L/Cs) to show the transaction trails.  Invisibles we assumed because the country collectively really did nothing concrete to bring about the inward remittances.  Now, it is a huge thing, comprising at times to 10% of the total.

Re its analogy to oil production, while similar may also be different.  Extracting oil from the ground and preparing it for transport requires human and financial inputs that become part of the productÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s costs.  But OFW remittances do not approximate such inputs in a similar manner.  But true that a good block of those human resources now responsible for the remittances were born, raised and educated by the home country, for which both local human and financial resources were also expended.

BTW, some reports suggest that only about 85% or so of inward remittances go through the local financial systems and thus counted.  And add to that, the unaccounted economic values of millions of balikbayan boxes sent annually.
  
I personally witnessed an old FilAm couple transact in a local bank here.  They were scheduled for a trip back and wanted their withdrawal of about $30,000 to be given to them in cash of $100 denomination.  When nosy me asked about the dangers, I was dismissed with the reply that they had done it before.

And didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a Gen. GarciaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s wife and sons do a similar thing, only in reverse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnM:</p>
<p><i>Ã¢â‚¬Å“didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t help the younger bush thoÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ Ã¢â‚¬Å“</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  The younger Bush got what the elder one couldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get, a precious second term.</p>
<p>And now, understandably this lame-duck administration has not visibly demonstrated sufficient motivation to defend the current economic gains, which are a lot better than the first term Ã¢â‚¬â€œ in productivity, housing ownership, tradition-shattering indices and employment/unemployment figures, etc.</p>
<p>While in the meantime, the critics have done a better job of dampening all these before the public.</p>
<p><i>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Growth and resiliency are because of OFW economics. No imported raw materials, no power requirements, no green houses gases. If money is remitted through banking system, OFW earnings is similar to profits of an OPEC member producing 1 million barrel per day.Ã¢â‚¬Â</i></p>
<p>I thought the above quote from a commenter gave a good look at OFW remittances. Let me offer some additional comments.</p>
<p>While indeed OFW remittances are considered part of GNP, it is also easy to see that there technically is no product or production involved here.  I believe it was for this reason that when I was still working in the local banking industry there, these remittances were described and categorized by CB authorities as <i>Ã¢â‚¬Å“foreign exchange invisiblesÃ¢â‚¬Â</i> because they were not covered with documentation (such as drafts and L/Cs) to show the transaction trails.  Invisibles we assumed because the country collectively really did nothing concrete to bring about the inward remittances.  Now, it is a huge thing, comprising at times to 10% of the total.</p>
<p>Re its analogy to oil production, while similar may also be different.  Extracting oil from the ground and preparing it for transport requires human and financial inputs that become part of the productÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s costs.  But OFW remittances do not approximate such inputs in a similar manner.  But true that a good block of those human resources now responsible for the remittances were born, raised and educated by the home country, for which both local human and financial resources were also expended.</p>
<p>BTW, some reports suggest that only about 85% or so of inward remittances go through the local financial systems and thus counted.  And add to that, the unaccounted economic values of millions of balikbayan boxes sent annually.</p>
<p>I personally witnessed an old FilAm couple transact in a local bank here.  They were scheduled for a trip back and wanted their withdrawal of about $30,000 to be given to them in cash of $100 denomination.  When nosy me asked about the dangers, I was dismissed with the reply that they had done it before.</p>
<p>And didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a Gen. GarciaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s wife and sons do a similar thing, only in reverse?</p>
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