Comments on: Curses, foiled again http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mindanao Today -- news, analysis, special reports, commentary on Mindanao, the Philippines http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-316496 Mindanao Today -- news, analysis, special reports, commentary on Mindanao, the Philippines Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:22:45 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-316496 [...] House majority floorleader Rep. Prospero Nograles of Davao City has been getting a lot of flak (here, here, here, and here) for his key role in the push for charter change and what has been routinely described this week as a “massacre of the Constitution” in the Philippine Congress, which Nograles and his partymates did — tyrannically, according to many — even while the country was still shell-shocked by the effects of typhoon Reming and other concerns. As the country hosts the 12th Asean Summit in Cebu, and as the people’s attention is focused on the event, Arroyo’s men in Congress have vowed that they will not stop the Cha-cha train. Activists protest in front of Nograles’s office in Davao City on Friday. [...] [...] House majority floorleader Rep. Prospero Nograles of Davao City has been getting a lot of flak (here, here, here, and here) for his key role in the push for charter change and what has been routinely described this week as a “massacre of the Constitution” in the Philippine Congress, which Nograles and his partymates did — tyrannically, according to many — even while the country was still shell-shocked by the effects of typhoon Reming and other concerns. As the country hosts the 12th Asean Summit in Cebu, and as the people’s attention is focused on the event, Arroyo’s men in Congress have vowed that they will not stop the Cha-cha train. Activists protest in front of Nograles’s office in Davao City on Friday. [...]

]]> By: Davao Today -- News, commentary, analysis, reports from Davao City, the Philippines http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-314739 Davao Today -- News, commentary, analysis, reports from Davao City, the Philippines Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:57:23 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-314739 [...] Davao’s Nograles Taking Heat for Role in ‘Tyrannical’ Cha-Cha Attempt Sneaky Boy: Nograles plays a key role in “the massacre of the Constitution.” (photo from www.nograles.net) House majority floorleader Rep. Prospero Nograles of Davao City has been getting a lot of flak (here, here, here, and here) for his key role in the push for charter change and what has been routinely described this week as a “massacre of the Constitution” in the Philippine Congress, which Nograles and his partymates did — tyrannically, according to many — even while the country was still shell-shocked by the effects of typhoon Reming and other concerns. As the country hosts the 12th Asean Summit in Cebu, and as the people’s attention is focused on the event, Arroyo’s men in Congress have vowed that they will not stop the Cha-cha train. [...] [...] Davao’s Nograles Taking Heat for Role in ‘Tyrannical’ Cha-Cha Attempt Sneaky Boy: Nograles plays a key role in “the massacre of the Constitution.” (photo from http://www.nograles.net) House majority floorleader Rep. Prospero Nograles of Davao City has been getting a lot of flak (here, here, here, and here) for his key role in the push for charter change and what has been routinely described this week as a “massacre of the Constitution” in the Philippine Congress, which Nograles and his partymates did — tyrannically, according to many — even while the country was still shell-shocked by the effects of typhoon Reming and other concerns. As the country hosts the 12th Asean Summit in Cebu, and as the people’s attention is focused on the event, Arroyo’s men in Congress have vowed that they will not stop the Cha-cha train. [...]

]]> By: anna de brux http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-312073 anna de brux Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:09:22 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-312073 mlq3, I just read your column Long View about the nocturnal exercises in this institution we call House of Representatives. Your account of how these bunch of gung ho elected officials are subverting democracy is simply staggering. mlq3,

I just read your column Long View about the nocturnal exercises in this institution we call House of Representatives.

Your account of how these bunch of gung ho elected officials are subverting democracy is simply staggering.

]]> By: anna de brux http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-312046 anna de brux Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:59:08 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-312046 If only they could do the same thing for an honorable purpose and not a self-serving purpose, they would be described almost as admirable. Why didn't they do that sort of marathon work in Congress to try Gloria instead? Had Gloria been acquitted after a similar and thorough piece of work by the legislature, there probably would have been less political chaos today. If only they could do the same thing for an honorable purpose and not a self-serving purpose, they would be described almost as admirable.

Why didn’t they do that sort of marathon work in Congress to try Gloria instead? Had Gloria been acquitted after a similar and thorough piece of work by the legislature, there probably would have been less political chaos today.

]]> By: cvj http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311804 cvj Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:16:28 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311804 Representative Luis Villafuerte, in sponsoring resolution 1450, has argued for a 'textual' interpretation of the Constitution as an ordinary person (as opposed to a lawyer) would understand Article XVII Section 1. When asked why a similarly worded passage in Article VII Section 19, i.e. "<i>He</i>" [the President] "<i>shall also have the power to grant amnesty with the concurrence of a majority of all the Members of the Congress</i>", was repeatedly implemented as the House and Senate voting separately, he responded by saying that the House has all along been mistaken. He also is unfamiliar with basic statistics as he considers the 1200 random sample as less representative of popular sentiment than the "12 Million" who signed the Sigaw initiative. Notwithstanding the flaws in his reasoning, in the stamina department, you have to hand it to Villafuerte who has been carrying the ball for the majority congressmen. He has been standing in the podium for over six hours now while being interpolated by successive opposition representatives and one pro-admin rep (Locsin). Representative Luis Villafuerte, in sponsoring resolution 1450, has argued for a ‘textual’ interpretation of the Constitution as an ordinary person (as opposed to a lawyer) would understand Article XVII Section 1. When asked why a similarly worded passage in Article VII Section 19, i.e.

“He” [the President] “shall also have the power to grant amnesty with the concurrence of a majority of all the Members of the Congress“,

was repeatedly implemented as the House and Senate voting separately, he responded by saying that the House has all along been mistaken. He also is unfamiliar with basic statistics as he considers the 1200 random sample as less representative of popular sentiment than the “12 Million” who signed the Sigaw initiative.

Notwithstanding the flaws in his reasoning, in the stamina department, you have to hand it to Villafuerte who has been carrying the ball for the majority congressmen. He has been standing in the podium for over six hours now while being interpolated by successive opposition representatives and one pro-admin rep (Locsin).

]]> By: Bafil http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311699 Bafil Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:30:56 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311699 Bastusan, senatongs, tongressmen, trapocracy - all of it painfully accurate and conducive to Gogolian laughter through tears, really. I should have used the collective wit of this forum when choosing a title for a documentary film which I and my partner shot earlier this year about the state of things in today's Philippines. (It is to have a premiere on One World human rights film festival in Prague next February.) I decided to stick with the working title Democtatorship. It is not as inventive as the above mentioned names, but perhaps it will be "less Pinoy" and more universal as I hope its whole message will be. For I believe the whole world should take a closer look at what is happening in the cradle of modern People Power. My only fear is that the alarm will be ringing too late. Bastusan, senatongs, tongressmen, trapocracy – all of it painfully accurate and conducive to Gogolian laughter through tears, really.

I should have used the collective wit of this forum when choosing a title for a documentary film which I and my partner shot earlier this year about the state of things in today’s Philippines. (It is to have a premiere on One World human rights film festival in Prague next February.)

I decided to stick with the working title Democtatorship. It is not as inventive as the above mentioned names, but perhaps it will be “less Pinoy” and more universal as I hope its whole message will be.

For I believe the whole world should take a closer look at what is happening in the cradle of modern People Power. My only fear is that the alarm will be ringing too late.

]]> By: kidlat http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311499 kidlat Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:51:44 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311499 Dear Anna, Your observation is spot on: “Democracy dictates that sovereign will lies in the people. But I don’t see that here. What I see is 161 members of the Lower House and Gloria abusing their political prerogatives, breaching the Constitution, bamboosling their way through an unspoken but de-facto dictatorship” How about a term I have heard which fits what you see: “Trapocracy” “Trapocracy dictates that sovereign will lies in the Trapos.. 161 members of the Lower House and Gloria abusing their political prerogatives, breaching the Constitution, bamboosling their way through an unspoken but de-facto dictatorship” Dear Anna,

Your observation is spot on: “Democracy dictates that sovereign will lies in the people. But I don’t see that here. What I see is 161 members of the Lower House and Gloria abusing their political prerogatives, breaching the Constitution, bamboosling their way through an unspoken but de-facto dictatorship”

How about a term I have heard which fits what you see: “Trapocracy”

“Trapocracy dictates that sovereign will lies in the Trapos.. 161 members of the Lower House and Gloria abusing their political prerogatives, breaching the Constitution, bamboosling their way through an unspoken but de-facto dictatorship”

]]> By: jm http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311491 jm Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:40:57 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311491 mlq3, Your post: "opposition groups now have the opportunity to mobilize." links to Black & White Movement blog which I think should distinguih itself from the 'traditional' opposition and the 'left' by aligning itself with 'Pro-Democracy Movements' to draw the line of battle on charter change as war between the 'Pro-Democracy Movements' against the 'Forces of Dictatorship'. The administration lumps all oppositors together as 'the opposition', people's orgs, church people movements with the opposition 'trapos' and the communists, to confuse the public at large, to neutralize the 'silent majority' and the 'conscienced military' with red scare propaganda. mlq3,
Your post: “opposition groups now have the opportunity to mobilize.”
links to Black & White Movement blog which I think should distinguih itself from the ‘traditional’ opposition and the ‘left’ by aligning itself with ‘Pro-Democracy Movements’ to draw the line of battle on charter change as war between the ‘Pro-Democracy Movements’ against the ‘Forces of Dictatorship’. The administration lumps all oppositors together as ‘the opposition’, people’s orgs, church people movements with the opposition ‘trapos’ and the communists, to confuse the public at large, to neutralize the ‘silent majority’ and the ‘conscienced military’ with red scare propaganda.

]]> By: max fabella http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311477 max fabella Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:37:04 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311477 ...our senatongs and tongtressmen are at it again. A reader asked me why i use the "senatongs and tongressmen" is it not disrespectful? My answer, they are the ones "disrespecting me" with their antics. max fabella from florida …our senatongs and tongtressmen are at it again. A reader asked
me why i use the “senatongs and tongressmen” is it not disrespectful? My answer, they are the ones “disrespecting me” with their antics. max fabella from florida

]]> By: watchful eye http://www.quezon.ph/2006/12/06/curses-foiled-again/comment-page-1/#comment-311223 watchful eye Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:55:22 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1109#comment-311223 According to Sen. Franklin Drilon, the Senate will file its petition with the Supreme Court when the House goes to the Commission on Elections to request a schedule for the holding of a plebiscite . Dumb move. File the petitiion for injunction with the Court of Appelas with a prayer for a TRO. Ask Binay how he did it. Let JDV and gang get a reversal from SC once CA issues TRO. With a 7/7 split the Senate wins. According to Sen. Franklin Drilon, the Senate will file its petition with the Supreme Court when the House goes to the Commission on Elections to request a schedule for the holding of a plebiscite
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Dumb move. File the petitiion for injunction with the Court of Appelas with a prayer for a TRO. Ask Binay how he did it. Let JDV and gang get a reversal from SC once CA issues TRO. With a 7/7 split the Senate wins.

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