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		<title>By: Current &#187; SONAmbulism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Current &#187; SONAmbulism</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] territory. During Korina&#8217;s show, I had the chance to ask Sec. Jesus Dureza some questions (I have interacted with him in the past, in his capacity as Presidential Adviser on the Peace Process, in which he laid out, in bold [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Manuel L. Quezon III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel L. Quezon III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] territory. During Korina&#8217;s show, I had the chance to ask Sec. Jesus Dureza some questions (I have interacted with him in the past, in his capacity as Presidential Adviser on the Peace Process, in which he laid out, in bold [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] territory. During Korina&#8217;s show, I had the chance to ask Sec. Jesus Dureza some questions (I have interacted with him in the past, in his capacity as Presidential Adviser on the Peace Process, in which he laid out, in bold [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rodel c. banares</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodel c. banares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr. quezon:
first of all, it was quite a pleasant surprise to see my name mentioned in one of your blogs. :) i never knew that the poem i wrote for the late great max soliven would be recognized. Thank you. 
secondly, i am very happy that you have a healthy interaction with people from all sides of the political spectrum. I personally may not agree with some of your comments, but i am thankful that there is still a venue where consenting and dissenting opinions are both welcome. keep up the marvelous work, sir! we need more people like you! kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr. quezon:<br />
first of all, it was quite a pleasant surprise to see my name mentioned in one of your blogs. <img src='http://www.quezon.ph/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i never knew that the poem i wrote for the late great max soliven would be recognized. Thank you.<br />
secondly, i am very happy that you have a healthy interaction with people from all sides of the political spectrum. I personally may not agree with some of your comments, but i am thankful that there is still a venue where consenting and dissenting opinions are both welcome. keep up the marvelous work, sir! we need more people like you! kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPn Student (at 6:01am), to see why land distribution is needed, you have to go back to 1988 where the World Bank report i referenced above states that:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In 1988, 86 percent of all Philippine landowners owned farms of 7 or fewer hectares, accounting for 23 percent of agricultural land, while less than 2 percent of landholders had farms exceeding 24 hectares, but controlled 36 percent of all farmland.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
[Source: Philippines: A Strategy to Fight Poverty, World Bank, November 13, 1995]

Regarding your other comment (at 7:22am), over here, the battle lines are more complex than you describe above.  As Solita Monsod describes in her column, there are cases when the landlords and the NPA form an &lt;i&gt;alliance&lt;/i&gt; to prevent land being turned over to  the rightful beneficiaries:

http://opinion.inq7.net/inquireropinion/columns/view_article.php?article_id=18562

Monsod summarizes the obstacles to land reform as follows:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;...resistance from landowners, which take the form of legal(istic) as well as extra-legal resistance; resistance from the New Peopleâ€™s Army (NPA); some kind of government schizophrenia where agencies ignore/defy each other or take different sides, or are either afraid to uphold the law or too weak to uphold the law or themselves ignore the law.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

IMHO, it follows from the above example and obstacles that implementation of Land Reform is one of those programs that needs to be controlled from the Central (or at least Regional) Government as local governments are more easily controlled by the landlords &amp; warlords.

Tony, if you care to go over the previous comments (particularly the one i made at Nov 29, 11:29pm and Nov 30, 2:52am as well as the comment by Abe N. Margallo at Nov 30, 12:20pm) , you will see that there is a distinction between Chavez and Mugabe.  Chavez&#039; program has been compared to Abe Lincoln.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPn Student (at 6:01am), to see why land distribution is needed, you have to go back to 1988 where the World Bank report i referenced above states that:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In 1988, 86 percent of all Philippine landowners owned farms of 7 or fewer hectares, accounting for 23 percent of agricultural land, while less than 2 percent of landholders had farms exceeding 24 hectares, but controlled 36 percent of all farmland.</i>&#8221;<br />
[Source: Philippines: A Strategy to Fight Poverty, World Bank, November 13, 1995]</p>
<p>Regarding your other comment (at 7:22am), over here, the battle lines are more complex than you describe above.  As Solita Monsod describes in her column, there are cases when the landlords and the NPA form an <i>alliance</i> to prevent land being turned over to  the rightful beneficiaries:</p>
<p><a href="http://opinion.inq7.net/inquireropinion/columns/view_article.php?article_id=18562" rel="nofollow">http://opinion.inq7.net/inquireropinion/columns/view_article.php?article_id=18562</a></p>
<p>Monsod summarizes the obstacles to land reform as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>&#8230;resistance from landowners, which take the form of legal(istic) as well as extra-legal resistance; resistance from the New Peopleâ€™s Army (NPA); some kind of government schizophrenia where agencies ignore/defy each other or take different sides, or are either afraid to uphold the law or too weak to uphold the law or themselves ignore the law.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO, it follows from the above example and obstacles that implementation of Land Reform is one of those programs that needs to be controlled from the Central (or at least Regional) Government as local governments are more easily controlled by the landlords &amp; warlords.</p>
<p>Tony, if you care to go over the previous comments (particularly the one i made at Nov 29, 11:29pm and Nov 30, 2:52am as well as the comment by Abe N. Margallo at Nov 30, 12:20pm) , you will see that there is a distinction between Chavez and Mugabe.  Chavez&#8217; program has been compared to Abe Lincoln.</p>
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		<title>By: UPn student</title>
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		<dc:creator>UPn student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony...  The NPA also sends in rifle-bearing militia to confiscate private property.  Also interesting that they (along with Abu Sayyaf and Muslim separatists) prevent roads from being constructed notwithstanding that these roads are needed by farmers to lower their transportation costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony&#8230;  The NPA also sends in rifle-bearing militia to confiscate private property.  Also interesting that they (along with Abu Sayyaf and Muslim separatists) prevent roads from being constructed notwithstanding that these roads are needed by farmers to lower their transportation costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only the very radical -- for example, Mugabe and Chavez --- send in the government troops (and use mobs of squatters) to confiscate already-developed private property,  and the both of them used the forced-sales more to punish their enemies (under cover of &quot;doing right for the poor&quot;). What is sad is that there still are romantics who buy into &quot;land-for-the-landless and damn the costs!&quot;.  These romantics should realize how important property rights are.  For example, Pope Benedict asks for property-rights (for Christian churches in Turkey, other Muslim countries) as a means to get human rights (freedom of religion/expression).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only the very radical &#8212; for example, Mugabe and Chavez &#8212; send in the government troops (and use mobs of squatters) to confiscate already-developed private property,  and the both of them used the forced-sales more to punish their enemies (under cover of &#8220;doing right for the poor&#8221;). What is sad is that there still are romantics who buy into &#8220;land-for-the-landless and damn the costs!&#8221;.  These romantics should realize how important property rights are.  For example, Pope Benedict asks for property-rights (for Christian churches in Turkey, other Muslim countries) as a means to get human rights (freedom of religion/expression).</p>
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		<title>By: UPn student</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/11/27/the-charge-of-the-palace-brigade/comment-page-2/#comment-306001</link>
		<dc:creator>UPn student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 22:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the only matters to land-reform in the Philippines are (a) irrigation, roads and other infrastructure; (b) elementary- and high-school education, (c) credit facilities; (d) registering of alrady-owned property, (e) agriculture-science and practices, including better seeds...  all will be well and very few souls will moan and groan AGAINST land reform (as long as funds for schools, hospitals, other public services are not cannibalized).   
---Also part of Philippine land-reform &quot;problems and solutions&quot; are  (i) terrorism and thuggery, (ii) land-confiscation or forced land-sales (at a discount);  (iii) squatters.  
--- When I pointed to irrigation/infrastructure and elementary- and high-school education as &quot;great engines&quot;,  it is because studies highlight their effectiveness  (in contrast to collectivization (miserable failure in Mao&#039;s China) and confiscation.
--- Land-for-the-landless is a non-issue if the Philippine government pushes homesteading on publicly-owned lands.  Land-for-landless an issue if the land given away are privately-owned property (or lumad ancestral lands).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the only matters to land-reform in the Philippines are (a) irrigation, roads and other infrastructure; (b) elementary- and high-school education, (c) credit facilities; (d) registering of alrady-owned property, (e) agriculture-science and practices, including better seeds&#8230;  all will be well and very few souls will moan and groan AGAINST land reform (as long as funds for schools, hospitals, other public services are not cannibalized).<br />
&#8212;Also part of Philippine land-reform &#8220;problems and solutions&#8221; are  (i) terrorism and thuggery, (ii) land-confiscation or forced land-sales (at a discount);  (iii) squatters.<br />
&#8212; When I pointed to irrigation/infrastructure and elementary- and high-school education as &#8220;great engines&#8221;,  it is because studies highlight their effectiveness  (in contrast to collectivization (miserable failure in Mao&#8217;s China) and confiscation.<br />
&#8212; Land-for-the-landless is a non-issue if the Philippine government pushes homesteading on publicly-owned lands.  Land-for-landless an issue if the land given away are privately-owned property (or lumad ancestral lands).</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ca T, as far as the importance of looking into methodology and primary data sources is concerned, i agree.  The study mentions that it used data from the following surveys:

â€œ&lt;i&gt;1. Annual Poverty Indicators Survey (APIS) for 1998 as conducted by the National Statistics Office.
2. Data from the household survey of the CARP-Impact Assessment (CARP-IA) project being conducted by Dr. Gordoncilloâ€™s team,
3. 1990 agricultural household survey conducted by Dr. Gordoncillo.&lt;/i&gt;â€

Dr. Gordoncillo is with the Institute of Agrarian Studies (IAST) in UP Los Banos. From the UN&#039;s FAO...&quot;&lt;i&gt;[the IAST] designed a monitoring and evaluation system that aims at keeping track of the progress of programme implementation while determining the effectiveness, impact and relevance of activities to their objectives&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  The following indicators were used:

- housing facilities and household assets; 
- marketing and credit arrangements; 
- employment; 
- farm income, income inequity and farm expenditure; 
- farm investment; 
- ARBs&#039; perceptions of their socio-economic status.

According to Dr Hans Meliczek, Professor at the Institut fÃ¼r Rurale Entwicklung, GÃ¶ttingen, Germany...&quot;&lt;b&gt;These indicators seem to be the most suitable for assessing the impact of CARP.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; [Source: www.fao.org/docrep/X3720t/x3720t06.htm]

As for reporting actual income, maybe the  researchers in the field have better luck than us accountants.

As i mentioned in my previous comment (at 5:00pm above), the correlation that you are looking for is partially there in the form of inputs (such as irrigated land and access to credit) and the corresponding probability of being &#039;nonpoor&#039;. What i disagreed with UPn Student&#039;s methodology is his â€˜cost-benefitâ€™ approach that attaches a dollar value to a human life.  I&#039;m not against assessing the relative costs of different land reform implementation strategies.  If there is a cheaper more efficient way to implement genuine land reform, then by alls means, let&#039;s have it.  In fact, the World Bank, in its 1996 Report &#039;Philippines: A Strategy to Fight Poverty&#039; reached the following conclusion:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The administrative complexity of land reform, the time consuming disputes that arise because of land valuation problems and the issues of exemptions for &quot;efficient uses&quot; of land probably cannot be resolved in the context of a government-sponsored and administered program being executed in a democratic society.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

The World Bank then recommended an alternative &#039;market-assisted&#039; land reform strategy which the Kilusan Magbubukid ng Pilipinas (KMP) labeled an &#039;obnoxious&#039; land reform ideology. [Source: The World Bank&#039;s Market-Assisted Land Reform: Obstacle to Rural Justice, KMP, July 2000]

On the need for prioritization, i agree that this is necessary given the limited government but we have to recognize that land reform and education have different missions and one cannot be substituted for the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ca T, as far as the importance of looking into methodology and primary data sources is concerned, i agree.  The study mentions that it used data from the following surveys:</p>
<p>â€œ<i>1. Annual Poverty Indicators Survey (APIS) for 1998 as conducted by the National Statistics Office.<br />
2. Data from the household survey of the CARP-Impact Assessment (CARP-IA) project being conducted by Dr. Gordoncilloâ€™s team,<br />
3. 1990 agricultural household survey conducted by Dr. Gordoncillo.</i>â€</p>
<p>Dr. Gordoncillo is with the Institute of Agrarian Studies (IAST) in UP Los Banos. From the UN&#8217;s FAO&#8230;&#8221;<i>[the IAST] designed a monitoring and evaluation system that aims at keeping track of the progress of programme implementation while determining the effectiveness, impact and relevance of activities to their objectives</i>&#8221;  The following indicators were used:</p>
<p>- housing facilities and household assets;<br />
- marketing and credit arrangements;<br />
- employment;<br />
- farm income, income inequity and farm expenditure;<br />
- farm investment;<br />
- ARBs&#8217; perceptions of their socio-economic status.</p>
<p>According to Dr Hans Meliczek, Professor at the Institut fÃ¼r Rurale Entwicklung, GÃ¶ttingen, Germany&#8230;&#8221;<b>These indicators seem to be the most suitable for assessing the impact of CARP.</b>&#8221; [Source: <a href="http://www.fao.org/docrep/X3720t/x3720t06.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fao.org/docrep/X3720t/x3720t06.htm</a></p>
<p>As for reporting actual income, maybe the  researchers in the field have better luck than us accountants.</p>
<p>As i mentioned in my previous comment (at 5:00pm above), the correlation that you are looking for is partially there in the form of inputs (such as irrigated land and access to credit) and the corresponding probability of being 'nonpoor'. What i disagreed with UPn Student's methodology is his â€˜cost-benefitâ€™ approach that attaches a dollar value to a human life.  I'm not against assessing the relative costs of different land reform implementation strategies.  If there is a cheaper more efficient way to implement genuine land reform, then by alls means, let's have it.  In fact, the World Bank, in its 1996 Report 'Philippines: A Strategy to Fight Poverty' reached the following conclusion:</p>
<p>"<i>The administrative complexity of land reform, the time consuming disputes that arise because of land valuation problems and the issues of exemptions for "efficient uses" of land probably cannot be resolved in the context of a government-sponsored and administered program being executed in a democratic society.</i>"</p>
<p>The World Bank then recommended an alternative 'market-assisted' land reform strategy which the Kilusan Magbubukid ng Pilipinas (KMP) labeled an 'obnoxious' land reform ideology. [Source: The World Bank's Market-Assisted Land Reform: Obstacle to Rural Justice, KMP, July 2000]</p>
<p>On the need for prioritization, i agree that this is necessary given the limited government but we have to recognize that land reform and education have different missions and one cannot be substituted for the other.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj wrote:
Ca T, thanks. Although itâ€™s not expressed in terms of costs allocated, the study (in page 44 Figure 2) does correlate the probability of being â€˜nonpoorâ€™ with the presence of inputs such as irrigated land, access to credit and whether the beneficiary belongs to an Agrarian Reform Community (ARC).

One thing that I looked into in the study when I sit in the panel for defense is the methodology, particularly what kind of data used ,whether they are primary or secondary data, the statistics applied and the scope and delimitations. 
As to the data used, this study of Reyes made use of secondary data which do not specifically showed that household appliances were purchased from the savings not unless there was a follow-up questionnaire to the subject of the study which I deemed not possible since the data are for the ten-year period.  

The scope and delimitations of the study stated that the benefits may have been received from previous program and not necessarily CARP alone.There is the answer. Even the incomes of the farmers have to be looked into if they were really from farming alone.

Besides, do they report the real income? As an accountant, I still have to find a farmer who reports the real income in his income tax.

It is not the outcome that I would like to see since the variables used by the researcher were the income as dependent variable and other sociodemographic factors as independent variables.



I want the changes in incomes of the Agrarian beneficiaries correlated with the costs of implementing the agrarian reform.

If the costs of agrarian reform bring about significant increase in the incomes of the farmers and if the incomes of the farmers were found to be indicators of poverty level of the farmers, then I can say that it is worth making it a priority. 

This is exactly the argument of UPn, the justification of the agrarian reforms implementation with the assumption that it helps eradicate poverty in our agricultural sector.

Or the question of giving more budget to the education and other 
economic sectors which benefits may not be statistically quantified.

Yes, sometimes when resources are limited there is a need for prioritizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj wrote:<br />
Ca T, thanks. Although itâ€™s not expressed in terms of costs allocated, the study (in page 44 Figure 2) does correlate the probability of being â€˜nonpoorâ€™ with the presence of inputs such as irrigated land, access to credit and whether the beneficiary belongs to an Agrarian Reform Community (ARC).</p>
<p>One thing that I looked into in the study when I sit in the panel for defense is the methodology, particularly what kind of data used ,whether they are primary or secondary data, the statistics applied and the scope and delimitations.<br />
As to the data used, this study of Reyes made use of secondary data which do not specifically showed that household appliances were purchased from the savings not unless there was a follow-up questionnaire to the subject of the study which I deemed not possible since the data are for the ten-year period.  </p>
<p>The scope and delimitations of the study stated that the benefits may have been received from previous program and not necessarily CARP alone.There is the answer. Even the incomes of the farmers have to be looked into if they were really from farming alone.</p>
<p>Besides, do they report the real income? As an accountant, I still have to find a farmer who reports the real income in his income tax.</p>
<p>It is not the outcome that I would like to see since the variables used by the researcher were the income as dependent variable and other sociodemographic factors as independent variables.</p>
<p>I want the changes in incomes of the Agrarian beneficiaries correlated with the costs of implementing the agrarian reform.</p>
<p>If the costs of agrarian reform bring about significant increase in the incomes of the farmers and if the incomes of the farmers were found to be indicators of poverty level of the farmers, then I can say that it is worth making it a priority. </p>
<p>This is exactly the argument of UPn, the justification of the agrarian reforms implementation with the assumption that it helps eradicate poverty in our agricultural sector.</p>
<p>Or the question of giving more budget to the education and other<br />
economic sectors which benefits may not be statistically quantified.</p>
<p>Yes, sometimes when resources are limited there is a need for prioritizing.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPn Student, i&#039;m glad you&#039;re also mining the Reyes study.  Before anyone gets any ideas about confiscating ARB&#039;s excess land because of they are not as &#039;efficient&#039;, i would like to refer you to page 41, where Reyes explicitly states that land productivity for ARB beneficiaries is higher:
  
&quot;&lt;i&gt;The mean land productivity of ARBs is P20,429.87 per hectare while mean land productivity of non-ARBs is P8,032.36 per hectare...The higher land productivity of ARBs could partly explain the observed lower poverty incidence among ARBs.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

That means that ARB beneficiaries are 2.5 times more efficient than their non-ARB counterparts. 

Just to clarify, i haven&#039;t encountered anyone in this thread (including me) who has argued against &#039;infrastructure&#039;. That part seems to be obvious at the outset. We are also in complete agreement as far as the need to establish property rights are concerned not the least because of the reasons stated in Hernando de Soto&#039;s book.  In fact, the key point about land reform (rural and urban) is to extend property rights to a greater part of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPn Student, i&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re also mining the Reyes study.  Before anyone gets any ideas about confiscating ARB&#8217;s excess land because of they are not as &#8216;efficient&#8217;, i would like to refer you to page 41, where Reyes explicitly states that land productivity for ARB beneficiaries is higher:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The mean land productivity of ARBs is P20,429.87 per hectare while mean land productivity of non-ARBs is P8,032.36 per hectare&#8230;The higher land productivity of ARBs could partly explain the observed lower poverty incidence among ARBs.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>That means that ARB beneficiaries are 2.5 times more efficient than their non-ARB counterparts. </p>
<p>Just to clarify, i haven&#8217;t encountered anyone in this thread (including me) who has argued against &#8216;infrastructure&#8217;. That part seems to be obvious at the outset. We are also in complete agreement as far as the need to establish property rights are concerned not the least because of the reasons stated in Hernando de Soto&#8217;s book.  In fact, the key point about land reform (rural and urban) is to extend property rights to a greater part of the population.</p>
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