Comments on: Plans E and F http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: New writer at the Forum; Alex Magno is “Off-line” at Atty-at-Work http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-873847 New writer at the Forum; Alex Magno is “Off-line” at Atty-at-Work Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:47:10 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-873847 [...] related matters, read about Plans E and F (DJB), the SWS and PDI apologizing to the Supreme Court (DJB) and the Reactions from the Other Side [...] [...] related matters, read about Plans E and F (DJB), the SWS and PDI apologizing to the Supreme Court (DJB) and the Reactions from the Other Side [...]

]]> By: New writer at the Forum; Alex Magno is "Off-line" at Atty-at-Work http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-507063 New writer at the Forum; Alex Magno is "Off-line" at Atty-at-Work Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:38:14 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-507063 [...] related matters, read about Plans E and F (DJB), the SWS and PDI apologizing to the Supreme Court (DJB) and the Reactions from the Other Side [...] [...] related matters, read about Plans E and F (DJB), the SWS and PDI apologizing to the Supreme Court (DJB) and the Reactions from the Other Side [...]

]]> By: Tony http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-222737 Tony Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:12:07 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-222737 UP student... you may want to stop asking folks to give you facts. Facts get in the way of one's ability to form strong opinions. ... but then again, passion is more fun than knowledge. UP student… you may want to stop asking folks to give you facts. Facts get in the way of one’s ability to form strong opinions. … but then again, passion is more fun than knowledge.

]]> By: The Unlawyer » Questions of Fact and Law http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-222515 The Unlawyer » Questions of Fact and Law Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:16:09 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-222515 [...] Manuel Quezon III links to two columns written by lawyer-blogger Connie Veneracion and political scientist Alex Magno about the fallout from the Supreme Court’s decision in Lambino et al. v. COMELEC. While both writers inhabit different ends of the Philippine political spectrum, Manolo was rather surprised that both expressed the same strong opinion against what the Court did in adjudicating on this matter - “delightfully congruent” was the phrase he used. [...] [...] Manuel Quezon III links to two columns written by lawyer-blogger Connie Veneracion and political scientist Alex Magno about the fallout from the Supreme Court’s decision in Lambino et al. v. COMELEC. While both writers inhabit different ends of the Philippine political spectrum, Manolo was rather surprised that both expressed the same strong opinion against what the Court did in adjudicating on this matter – “delightfully congruent” was the phrase he used. [...]

]]> By: UP student http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-222114 UP student Thu, 02 Nov 2006 05:03:54 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-222114 Fred or Bystander... has the Philippines a signatory to the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment? . Or maybe DJB knows... are confessions obtained under torture inadmissible in the Philippine courts? Fred or Bystander… has the Philippines a signatory to the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment?
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Or maybe DJB knows… are confessions obtained under torture inadmissible in the Philippine courts?

]]> By: Bencard http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-221260 Bencard Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:37:19 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-221260 But, of course, UP student. That (the Terror Bill) is "a better vehicle" for restoring personal responsibility as a complement of "personal freedom" or "human rights". Have you heard about that grisly murder that was solved through retained data from Google that was thought to have already been "deleted" by the suspect? How about that Filipino-American in Jersey who was among those busted for internet child pornography? Big brother is watching! But, of course, UP student. That (the Terror Bill) is “a better vehicle” for restoring personal responsibility as a complement of “personal freedom” or “human rights”. Have you heard about that grisly murder that was solved through retained data from Google that was thought to have already been “deleted” by the suspect? How about that Filipino-American in Jersey who was among those busted for internet child pornography? Big brother is watching!

]]> By: UP student http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-221122 UP student Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:11:32 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-221122 (Re Anti-terror policies/procedures) Three instances where the US-of-A has "better oversight" than, say, the EU are: (1) Appeal mechanism : (1-a) EU: No mechanism provided for appeal against inclusion on the list of "persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts"under the Common Position. Moreover, the validity of EU Common Positions cannot be challenged before the Court of Justice, and national courts cannot ask the European Court questions about their validity or interpretation. (1-b) US :An organization designated as an FTO(foreign terrorist organization) may seek judicial review of the designation in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit not later than 30 days after the designation is published in the Federal Register. (2) EXPIRY : (2-a) EU: no expiration. (2-b) US: FTO designations expire automatically after two years, but the Secretary of State may redesignate an organization for additional two-year period(s), upon a finding that the statutory criteria continue to be met. *** US: an FTO automatically 'becomes innocent after 2 years', unless a finding is made that the organization still meets "terrorism"-criteria. *** EU : guilty-then-means-guilty-now, unless the organization makes appeal and convinces EU of being reformed. (3) OVERSIGHT : (3-a) EU: none (3-b) US : Congress is notified of the Secretary’s intent to designate the organization and given seven days to review the designation. After the seven days notice of the designation is published in the Federal Register, at which point the designation takes effect. [ Reference : http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listsbground.html ] (Re Anti-terror policies/procedures) Three instances where the US-of-A has “better oversight” than, say, the EU are:
(1) Appeal mechanism :
(1-a) EU: No mechanism provided for appeal against inclusion on the list of “persons, groups and entities involved in terrorist acts”under the Common Position. Moreover, the validity of EU Common Positions cannot be challenged before the Court of Justice, and national courts cannot ask the European Court questions about their validity or interpretation.
(1-b) US :An organization designated as an FTO(foreign terrorist organization) may seek judicial review of the designation in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit not later than 30 days after the designation is published in the Federal Register.

(2) EXPIRY :
(2-a) EU: no expiration.
(2-b) US: FTO designations expire automatically after two years, but the Secretary of State may redesignate an organization for additional two-year period(s), upon a finding that the statutory criteria continue to be met.

*** US: an FTO automatically ‘becomes innocent after 2 years’, unless a finding is made that the organization still meets “terrorism”-criteria.
*** EU : guilty-then-means-guilty-now, unless the organization makes appeal and convinces EU of being reformed.

(3) OVERSIGHT :
(3-a) EU: none
(3-b) US : Congress is notified of the Secretary’s intent to designate the organization and given seven days to review the designation. After the seven days notice of the designation is published in the Federal Register, at which point the designation takes effect.
[ Reference : http://www.statewatch.org/terrorlists/listsbground.html ]

]]> By: UP student http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-220814 UP student Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:40:41 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-220814 (On anti-terror bill) Amadeo... on whether or not the anti-terror bill covers actions overseas (e.g. giving $$$ to to Joma in the Hague), see Sec 28 -- Extra-Territorial Application of this Act. On "habeas corpus" issue --- the anti-terror bill makes mention (SEC. 14. Arrest and Detention) that a person arrested under this Section ...may be detained for a period of not more than fifteen (15) days following his arrest. [In contrast, Filipino citizens who are green-card holders (as well as European or Asian businessmen, tourists, 'green-card holders') can be held indefinitely by US Homeland Security under provisions of the latest "patriot act".. "Habeas corpus" rights are retained by Filipinos now US citizens.] The Philippine anti-terror bill has a lot of detail, e.g. kidnapping/threaten to kidnap IS included as terrorism. Also mentioned explicitly as terrorism: actions or threats against the safety of the chief justice of supreme court, speaker of house and (of course) the president and vice-president. The reader can decide if MLQ3 can be prosecuted under "SEC. 7. Acts that Facilitate, Contribute to or Promote Terrorism" if Q3-the-blogger lets remain in his blogsite the rantings of person-ABC for bullets into the head of official-so-and-so. Read it again --- the anti-terror bill (if it becomes law) is a better vehicle to quiet down people than a libel lawsuit. (On anti-terror bill)
Amadeo… on whether or not the anti-terror bill covers actions overseas (e.g. giving $$$ to to Joma in the Hague), see Sec 28 — Extra-Territorial Application of this Act.
On “habeas corpus” issue — the anti-terror bill makes mention (SEC. 14. Arrest and Detention) that a person arrested under this Section …may be detained for a period of not more than fifteen (15) days following his arrest. [In contrast, Filipino citizens who are green-card holders (as well as European or Asian businessmen, tourists, 'green-card holders') can be held indefinitely by US Homeland Security under provisions of the latest "patriot act".. "Habeas corpus" rights are retained by Filipinos now US citizens.]
The Philippine anti-terror bill has a lot of detail, e.g. kidnapping/threaten to kidnap IS included as terrorism. Also mentioned explicitly as terrorism: actions or threats against the safety of the chief justice of supreme court, speaker of house and (of course) the president and vice-president.
The reader can decide if MLQ3 can be prosecuted under “SEC. 7. Acts that Facilitate, Contribute to or Promote Terrorism” if Q3-the-blogger lets remain in his blogsite the rantings of person-ABC for bullets into the head of official-so-and-so.
Read it again — the anti-terror bill (if it becomes law) is a better vehicle to quiet down people than a libel lawsuit.

]]> By: hvrds http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-220217 hvrds Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:01:38 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-220217 GDP data in the Phils from the supply side is taken from surveys of economic agents involved in the supply side. However the date from the expenditure side or counsumption is more difficult to track . It takes years for government to get actual data. In point of fact the statistical discrepancies when GDP is measured from the expenditure or consumption side is between 1-2%. So if government says that GDP grew by 5% the expenditure side only shows actually 3% with the rest recorded as statistical discrepancy. Just og to the NSCB website and look up the tables and check out the consumption or expenditure side in measuring GDP. Now on the stock market. Peter Drucker prior to the crash of 1929 was a practicing econometrician. Econometrics is the discipline of using mathematical models to used to sustain economic theories. Drucker then theorized that the stock market would boom in 1929. After the crash he swore never to give predictions again. Stock market investing is not actually economic investing. The value added in stock markets - capital gain is not recorded in the GDP. Only the service offered by the broker (commissions) or the services used to maintain the markets are recorded in the GDP. The capital gain or loss is not. The Philippine Stock Exchange since finaical liberalization if a fund driven exchange. More funds chasing limited stocks. As soon as foreign funds leave the market sort of settles down. Now getting into the carry trade and the emrgence agian of surplus funds in the world is another matter. The U.S. already has an invertied yield curve and the Philippines is moving to an inverted yield curve. Sure sign of recession. When short term interest rates rise above long term rates you have danger signals. That means businesses are holding off on investing long term and that means capital investments. The curse of the savings glut. Recession which could turn into a deflation spiral. http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/article/richricher/11429 http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/BehindDow12000AnEconomyAtRisk.aspx Japan has been trying to get out of one for over 10 years. The U.S. is in danger of moving into one. GDP data in the Phils from the supply side is taken from surveys of economic agents involved in the supply side.

However the date from the expenditure side or counsumption is more difficult to track . It takes years for government to get actual data. In point of fact the statistical discrepancies when GDP is measured from the expenditure or consumption side is between 1-2%. So if government says that GDP grew by 5% the expenditure side only shows actually 3% with the rest recorded as statistical discrepancy. Just og to the NSCB website and look up the tables and check out the consumption or expenditure side in measuring GDP.

Now on the stock market. Peter Drucker prior to the crash of 1929 was a practicing econometrician. Econometrics is the discipline of using mathematical models to used to sustain economic theories. Drucker then theorized that the stock market would boom in 1929. After the crash he swore never to give predictions again.

Stock market investing is not actually economic investing. The value added in stock markets – capital gain is not recorded in the GDP. Only the service offered by the broker (commissions) or the services used to maintain the markets are recorded in the GDP. The capital gain or loss is not.

The Philippine Stock Exchange since finaical liberalization if a fund driven exchange. More funds chasing limited stocks. As soon as foreign funds leave the market sort of settles down. Now getting into the carry trade and the emrgence agian of surplus funds in the world is another matter. The U.S. already has an invertied yield curve and the Philippines is moving to an inverted yield curve. Sure sign of recession. When short term interest rates rise above long term rates you have danger signals. That means businesses are holding off on investing long term and that means capital investments. The curse of the savings glut. Recession which could turn into a deflation spiral.
http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/article/richricher/11429
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/BehindDow12000AnEconomyAtRisk.aspx
Japan has been trying to get out of one for over 10 years. The U.S. is in danger of moving into one.

]]> By: hvrds http://www.quezon.ph/2006/10/31/plans-e-and-f/comment-page-1/#comment-220153 hvrds Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:38:34 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=1083#comment-220153 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:4:./temp/~c107Crgv3A:: I srongly suggest that the Philippine Senate version of the so called anti-terrorism bill also be read and compared to the U.S.A. Patriot Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001. Please note there are two layers of checks and limitations on the executive in the U.S. Try to imagine this present government who is attempting to establish a unitary bicameral parliament with powers to weaken judicial oversight. Right now the cause celebre is abolishing what is left of legislative oversight in the Senate. The three Constitutional bodies, Comelec, Office of the Ombudsman, COA under the proposed changes to the Constitution will be placed under the direct line authority of the chief excutive. The Anti-Terrorism Council will be under the Chief Executive in the new law being proposed. It would be wise to read the history of the man many Vulcan/Romullan thinking people ( we have them in the Phils.) believe is the model of the perfect leader, Der Fuerher and how he became Fuerher “democratically.” Just look around GMA and be prepared for the emergence of Der Fuerher. The one who is primarily responsible for causing the elimination of the enemies of the State. GMA makes deals with the Devil. He is bidding his time to take control. Choamsky properly defined the war on terror as anticipatory self defense with unstated bounds. The devils playground –absolute power. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:4:./temp/~c107Crgv3A::

I srongly suggest that the Philippine Senate version of the so called anti-terrorism bill also be read and compared to the U.S.A. Patriot Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001. Please note there are two layers of checks and limitations on the executive in the U.S.

Try to imagine this present government who is attempting to establish a unitary bicameral parliament with powers to weaken judicial oversight. Right now the cause celebre is abolishing what is left of legislative oversight in the Senate. The three Constitutional bodies, Comelec, Office of the Ombudsman, COA under the proposed changes to the Constitution will be placed under the direct line authority of the chief excutive.

The Anti-Terrorism Council will be under the Chief Executive in the new law being proposed.

It would be wise to read the history of the man many Vulcan/Romullan thinking people ( we have them in the Phils.) believe is the model of the perfect leader, Der Fuerher and how he became Fuerher “democratically.” Just look around GMA and be prepared for the emergence of Der Fuerher. The one who is primarily responsible for causing the elimination of the enemies of the State. GMA makes deals with the Devil. He is bidding his time to take control. Choamsky properly defined the war on terror as anticipatory self defense with unstated bounds. The devils playground –absolute power.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm

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