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		<title>By: a deLayed reaction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Fading Storm</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-484300</link>
		<dc:creator>a deLayed reaction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Fading Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 05:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well folks, it&#8217;s coming to a close. From what I understand this typhoon was the first storm in 11 (!) years to hit Manila square in the jaw and spit in the eye of the city. Manuel Quezon III linked to us (so cool!) and I&#8217;ve returned the favor. His link is here with very cool links and information. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well folks, it&#8217;s coming to a close. From what I understand this typhoon was the first storm in 11 (!) years to hit Manila square in the jaw and spit in the eye of the city. Manuel Quezon III linked to us (so cool!) and I&#8217;ve returned the favor. His link is here with very cool links and information. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fouad21752@hotmail.com</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-471002</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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kerry phyillaier...</description>
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		<title>By: Phil Cruz</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-104386</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg,  I certainly hope the Supreme Court decides the issue as &quot;voting separately&quot;. If they don&#039;t and this thing gets to a plebiscite, it&#039;s a cinch Gloria will sit &quot;forever&quot;.  With Esperon already confirmed, she has completed her election A-Team. The APE triumvirate - Abalos, Puno and Esperon. Oh, what electoral magic these trio can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg,  I certainly hope the Supreme Court decides the issue as &#8220;voting separately&#8221;. If they don&#8217;t and this thing gets to a plebiscite, it&#8217;s a cinch Gloria will sit &#8220;forever&#8221;.  With Esperon already confirmed, she has completed her election A-Team. The APE triumvirate &#8211; Abalos, Puno and Esperon. Oh, what electoral magic these trio can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Why Did Fool for Five Have no New Posts for Three Days? at Fool for Five</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-103729</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Did Fool for Five Have no New Posts for Three Days? at Fool for Five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Manolo: Sine Die (&#8221;Without a Day&#8221; in Latin?) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: seav</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-102348</link>
		<dc:creator>seav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We only got electricity back a few hours ago. First thing I did? Blog about the storm. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We only got electricity back a few hours ago. First thing I did? Blog about the storm. =)</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-101135</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg, i agree with you that the framers, by omitting some words, have made our lives more complicated.   Considering the circumstances (as described by freewheel above), they should have concentrated on clarity of wording and internal consistency rather than on jampacking the fundamental document  with their pet political and social agendas (which accounts for its verbosity).  The Supreme Court can very well choose to act like Bible-literalists and interpret the provision in favor of JDV, but while the fundamentalist preachers have the benefit of God not being present, the SC still has to contend with Bernas and the rest of the surviving framers.   

Here are some of the  approaches by which the Justices might go about their interpretation (as taken from Wikipedia) and my corresponding guess of the outcome based on the approach:

&lt;i&gt;Strict constructionism&lt;/i&gt; - &quot;a philosophy of judicial interpretation and legal philosophy that limits judicial interpretation to the meanings of the actual words and phrases used in law, and not on other sources or inferences. Adherents look strictly at the text in question rather than relying either on legislative intent (as gleaned from contemporaneous commentaries or legislative debate) or on metaphysical ideas such as natural law.&quot;

My guess: ruling in favor of House of Representative&#039;s position.

&lt;i&gt;Original intent&lt;/i&gt; -  &quot;maintains that in interpreting a text, a court should determine what the authors of the text were trying to achieve, and to give effect to what they intended the statute to accomplish, the actual text of the legislation notwithstanding.&quot;

My guess: ruling in favor of  Senate&#039;s position. ( Assuming the framer&#039;s upon being called as witnesses, or upon review of their writings at the time the 1987 Constitution was being drafted, give the impression of  a consensus as to this intent.) 

&lt;i&gt;Original meaning&lt;/i&gt; -  &quot;is a Formalist theory, and a logical extension of Textualism. Textualists believe that a statute means whatever the plain meaning of its words is, as opposed to other potential meanings, such as what those who drafted the law or voted for it intended it to say... contends that the terms...should be interpreted as meaning what they meant when they were ratified, which is to say, it asks the question: &#039;What would a Reasonable person living at the time of ratification have understood these words to mean?&#039;&quot;

My guess: ruling in favor of House of Representative&#039;s position.  I think this approach adheres most closely to the line of reasoning  you have adopted above.

&lt;i&gt;Living Constitution&lt;/i&gt; - &quot;Generally regarded as a liberal judicial philosophy, its central premise is that the Constitution should be seen, to some degree, as dynamic. As the direct counter to originalism, the judicial philosophy centered on meaning at the time of constitutional ratification, a Living Constitution suggests a document whose meaning is often dependent on the age and society in which it applies.&quot; 

My guess:  Provision under contention will be considered the subject of a political question which requires a plebiscite in order to determine the currently accepted meaning.

If the Court has common sense (which is hard to define), they will rule in favor of the Senate, but there is also enough room  to rule in favor of the House if the Court adopts (consciously or inadvertently) some sort of tunnel vision.    To me, the fairest ruling would be to declare the matter a political question subject to the people&#039;s judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg, i agree with you that the framers, by omitting some words, have made our lives more complicated.   Considering the circumstances (as described by freewheel above), they should have concentrated on clarity of wording and internal consistency rather than on jampacking the fundamental document  with their pet political and social agendas (which accounts for its verbosity).  The Supreme Court can very well choose to act like Bible-literalists and interpret the provision in favor of JDV, but while the fundamentalist preachers have the benefit of God not being present, the SC still has to contend with Bernas and the rest of the surviving framers.   </p>
<p>Here are some of the  approaches by which the Justices might go about their interpretation (as taken from Wikipedia) and my corresponding guess of the outcome based on the approach:</p>
<p><i>Strict constructionism</i> &#8211; &#8220;a philosophy of judicial interpretation and legal philosophy that limits judicial interpretation to the meanings of the actual words and phrases used in law, and not on other sources or inferences. Adherents look strictly at the text in question rather than relying either on legislative intent (as gleaned from contemporaneous commentaries or legislative debate) or on metaphysical ideas such as natural law.&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess: ruling in favor of House of Representative&#8217;s position.</p>
<p><i>Original intent</i> &#8211;  &#8220;maintains that in interpreting a text, a court should determine what the authors of the text were trying to achieve, and to give effect to what they intended the statute to accomplish, the actual text of the legislation notwithstanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess: ruling in favor of  Senate&#8217;s position. ( Assuming the framer&#8217;s upon being called as witnesses, or upon review of their writings at the time the 1987 Constitution was being drafted, give the impression of  a consensus as to this intent.) </p>
<p><i>Original meaning</i> &#8211;  &#8220;is a Formalist theory, and a logical extension of Textualism. Textualists believe that a statute means whatever the plain meaning of its words is, as opposed to other potential meanings, such as what those who drafted the law or voted for it intended it to say&#8230; contends that the terms&#8230;should be interpreted as meaning what they meant when they were ratified, which is to say, it asks the question: &#8216;What would a Reasonable person living at the time of ratification have understood these words to mean?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess: ruling in favor of House of Representative&#8217;s position.  I think this approach adheres most closely to the line of reasoning  you have adopted above.</p>
<p><i>Living Constitution</i> &#8211; &#8220;Generally regarded as a liberal judicial philosophy, its central premise is that the Constitution should be seen, to some degree, as dynamic. As the direct counter to originalism, the judicial philosophy centered on meaning at the time of constitutional ratification, a Living Constitution suggests a document whose meaning is often dependent on the age and society in which it applies.&#8221; </p>
<p>My guess:  Provision under contention will be considered the subject of a political question which requires a plebiscite in order to determine the currently accepted meaning.</p>
<p>If the Court has common sense (which is hard to define), they will rule in favor of the Senate, but there is also enough room  to rule in favor of the House if the Court adopts (consciously or inadvertently) some sort of tunnel vision.    To me, the fairest ruling would be to declare the matter a political question subject to the people&#8217;s judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: freewheel</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-100505</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgot inadvertently to mention that the Bastusan Republic, a term   describing the present day Inang Bayan, was first coined by a very prolific blogger named anna de brux.  
 
maybe inspired by mlq3&#039;s past post on &#039;bastusan&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot inadvertently to mention that the Bastusan Republic, a term   describing the present day Inang Bayan, was first coined by a very prolific blogger named anna de brux.  </p>
<p>maybe inspired by mlq3&#8217;s past post on &#8216;bastusan&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeg</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-100504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope so, cvj. Although Im not too optimistic. Traditions should be embodied in a new Constitution if the framers wanted them to be, but in this case, by omitting the crucial wording, it could indicate that in this case, they do not deem the tradition that important, placing more weight to local representatives (which ties in with People&#039;s Initiative, which is local by nature). 

Im hoping the SC interprets it your way, cvj, but Im just pointing out that the fight is going to be tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope so, cvj. Although Im not too optimistic. Traditions should be embodied in a new Constitution if the framers wanted them to be, but in this case, by omitting the crucial wording, it could indicate that in this case, they do not deem the tradition that important, placing more weight to local representatives (which ties in with People&#8217;s Initiative, which is local by nature). </p>
<p>Im hoping the SC interprets it your way, cvj, but Im just pointing out that the fight is going to be tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jhaye Freeze</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-99761</link>
		<dc:creator>Jhaye Freeze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insights of the storm,feel more connected to my pinoy roots.I only experienced snowstorm and its not as bad as the Milenyo typhoon,anyways pinoys are very resilient race either 
natural or man-made calamities. Keep up the good work,and love to be in touch with Philippines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insights of the storm,feel more connected to my pinoy roots.I only experienced snowstorm and its not as bad as the Milenyo typhoon,anyways pinoys are very resilient race either<br />
natural or man-made calamities. Keep up the good work,and love to be in touch with Philippines</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/28/sine-die/comment-page-1/#comment-99345</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg, although it is not specified in the Constitution, by tradition, the Senate and the House of Representatives are treated as co-equal houses.  Any ambiguity should be resolved in favor of this principle.  If the JDV interpretation is adopted, then that would mean that in matters having to do with Constitutional amendments or revisions, the House is orders of magnitude more powerful than the Senate. This does not make sense because,  as DJB has pointed out, this Section potentially touches upon the very existence of the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg, although it is not specified in the Constitution, by tradition, the Senate and the House of Representatives are treated as co-equal houses.  Any ambiguity should be resolved in favor of this principle.  If the JDV interpretation is adopted, then that would mean that in matters having to do with Constitutional amendments or revisions, the House is orders of magnitude more powerful than the Senate. This does not make sense because,  as DJB has pointed out, this Section potentially touches upon the very existence of the Constitution.</p>
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