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		<title>By: goggle</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-514470</link>
		<dc:creator>goggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grande sito!!</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Bernardo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-89258</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bernardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joselu. You are of course correct. The reverence for King Bhumibol is without question and his moral authority beyond doubt. I think Thaksin tried to chip away at the king&#039;s power and look where he ended up.

My point is that a government to thrive must claim to be backed by moral authority. Instilling fear would also work but I believe only for a short time. In the Philippines, the Church is a key player in politics as it occupies the role of providng moral authority. Its power may be more limited compared to the Thai King, but the Church has that role.

Yet what makes the king&#039;s role in Thailand much more powerful is that it&#039;s a constitutional monarchy. The strict lÃƒÂ¨se-majestÃƒÂ© laws make it punishable to publicly question the king&#039;s authority. He is also exempt from public scrutiny.

Anyway, I think it&#039;s good that we&#039;re discussing regional politics in Southeas Asia for a change, even if only bcause it somehow connects to Gloria, as Filipinos are normally more familiar with US and UK politics.

Filipino journalist Roby Alampay posted this insightful &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HI23Ae01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; in Asia Times, mentioning the uncharacteristic interest of Filipinos to the happenings in Thailand, and drawing up possible parallels to Philippine democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joselu. You are of course correct. The reverence for King Bhumibol is without question and his moral authority beyond doubt. I think Thaksin tried to chip away at the king&#8217;s power and look where he ended up.</p>
<p>My point is that a government to thrive must claim to be backed by moral authority. Instilling fear would also work but I believe only for a short time. In the Philippines, the Church is a key player in politics as it occupies the role of providng moral authority. Its power may be more limited compared to the Thai King, but the Church has that role.</p>
<p>Yet what makes the king&#8217;s role in Thailand much more powerful is that it&#8217;s a constitutional monarchy. The strict lÃƒÂ¨se-majestÃƒÂ© laws make it punishable to publicly question the king&#8217;s authority. He is also exempt from public scrutiny.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think it&#8217;s good that we&#8217;re discussing regional politics in Southeas Asia for a change, even if only bcause it somehow connects to Gloria, as Filipinos are normally more familiar with US and UK politics.</p>
<p>Filipino journalist Roby Alampay posted this insightful <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HI23Ae01.html" rel="nofollow">report</a> in Asia Times, mentioning the uncharacteristic interest of Filipinos to the happenings in Thailand, and drawing up possible parallels to Philippine democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-86520</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, possibly... but his understanding of UK citizens sure proved to be flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, possibly&#8230; but his understanding of UK citizens sure proved to be flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-86205</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna...  The theory that I subscribe to is that Blair made up his own mind (regarding Iraq invasion) based on his personal views, inputs from Clare Short and Blair&#039;s other cabinet members, his(Blair&#039;s) understanding of the desires of UK citizens, and all the inputs from within and outside the Labour Party, from Annan, Schroeder, Chirac, Putin, Bush, the Chinese Politburo, and in spite of Giulani threats (rumored and not-yet-subsantiated) about &quot;parking privileges in New York City&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna&#8230;  The theory that I subscribe to is that Blair made up his own mind (regarding Iraq invasion) based on his personal views, inputs from Clare Short and Blair&#8217;s other cabinet members, his(Blair&#8217;s) understanding of the desires of UK citizens, and all the inputs from within and outside the Labour Party, from Annan, Schroeder, Chirac, Putin, Bush, the Chinese Politburo, and in spite of Giulani threats (rumored and not-yet-subsantiated) about &#8220;parking privileges in New York City&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-85633</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, it might help you to know that it takes 20 years to build a replacement for Trident.

Hence, the speculation that Blair was &quot;pressured&quot; to join Bush on Iraq lest the US refuse to &quot;sell&quot; appropriate replacement technology in time to meet target date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, it might help you to know that it takes 20 years to build a replacement for Trident.</p>
<p>Hence, the speculation that Blair was &#8220;pressured&#8221; to join Bush on Iraq lest the US refuse to &#8220;sell&#8221; appropriate replacement technology in time to meet target date.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-85283</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Nuclear submarine replacement must be assured beforehand - specifications drawn, contract negotiated, signed, sealed long before the current one expires. You don&#039;t &quot;buy&quot; nuclear tech replacement on the day or year it expires. Kinda stupid to do that! (According to Royal Navy, Trident will be considered obsolote in a couple of years.)

If you read what I said, this &quot;blackmail&quot; is based on rumours circulating in EU lobby town. 

The wikeda on the net may be your sole or best source of knowledge or info but sensitive stuff eg, defence, aren&#039;t always on the net, wikeda or on bbc.

Anyway, Bush is perfectly capable of blackmail (remember &quot;either with me or against me crap&quot;)! UK needs to replace Trident and Bush knows this - he had Tony Blair by the balls so Tony was forced go with Bush on Iraq otherwise, bye-bye Trident replacement! 

We will know the truth in 20 or 30 years - as in the case of a planned coup d&#039;ÃƒÂ©tat (with the help of the CIA) against Labour&#039;s Wilson government which was kept secret for almost 3 decades but finally revealed to the public this year.

PS: And yes, I inadvertently used a French expression which when translated in English is &quot;to put one and one&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Nuclear submarine replacement must be assured beforehand &#8211; specifications drawn, contract negotiated, signed, sealed long before the current one expires. You don&#8217;t &#8220;buy&#8221; nuclear tech replacement on the day or year it expires. Kinda stupid to do that! (According to Royal Navy, Trident will be considered obsolote in a couple of years.)</p>
<p>If you read what I said, this &#8220;blackmail&#8221; is based on rumours circulating in EU lobby town. </p>
<p>The wikeda on the net may be your sole or best source of knowledge or info but sensitive stuff eg, defence, aren&#8217;t always on the net, wikeda or on bbc.</p>
<p>Anyway, Bush is perfectly capable of blackmail (remember &#8220;either with me or against me crap&#8221;)! UK needs to replace Trident and Bush knows this &#8211; he had Tony Blair by the balls so Tony was forced go with Bush on Iraq otherwise, bye-bye Trident replacement! </p>
<p>We will know the truth in 20 or 30 years &#8211; as in the case of a planned coup d&#8217;ÃƒÂ©tat (with the help of the CIA) against Labour&#8217;s Wilson government which was kept secret for almost 3 decades but finally revealed to the public this year.</p>
<p>PS: And yes, I inadvertently used a French expression which when translated in English is &#8220;to put one and one&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-84351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna... regarding Blair/Bush/Trident (nuclear technology): (1) Nowhere in the internet world (except as posited by you) will you see the &quot;Bush blackmails Blair over Trident defence technology&quot; idea.  (2) UK&#039;s nuclear capability via Trident and Vanguard submarines expires about 2024.  (3) The issue is not Iraq; the issue is whether or not to expend about 25-Billion-pounds to replace the platform (and retain nuclear deterrence for UK).  Blair says &quot;decision to be made end-2006&quot; and suggests he will replace. (4) Brown, too, has suggested he will support expending the billions to retain the nuclear deterrence capability, even if members of the Labour Party (and the Episcopal Church) oppose the expenditures. 

Here is a related URL:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5103764.stm

[PS: The idiom is &quot;put two and two together&quot; for &quot;To draw the proper conclusions from existing evidence or indications.&quot;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna&#8230; regarding Blair/Bush/Trident (nuclear technology): (1) Nowhere in the internet world (except as posited by you) will you see the &#8220;Bush blackmails Blair over Trident defence technology&#8221; idea.  (2) UK&#8217;s nuclear capability via Trident and Vanguard submarines expires about 2024.  (3) The issue is not Iraq; the issue is whether or not to expend about 25-Billion-pounds to replace the platform (and retain nuclear deterrence for UK).  Blair says &#8220;decision to be made end-2006&#8243; and suggests he will replace. (4) Brown, too, has suggested he will support expending the billions to retain the nuclear deterrence capability, even if members of the Labour Party (and the Episcopal Church) oppose the expenditures. </p>
<p>Here is a related URL:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5103764.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5103764.stm</a></p>
<p>[PS: The idiom is "put two and two together" for "To draw the proper conclusions from existing evidence or indications."]</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-83126</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, people now say, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the eternal superpower blackmail: defence technology!&quot; 

If this is ever true that Blair was forced to cave in because of a life and death situation for the UK lest it might not enjoy superpower status unless he said yes to Bush, then I might just judge Blair less harshly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, people now say, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the eternal superpower blackmail: defence technology!&#8221; </p>
<p>If this is ever true that Blair was forced to cave in because of a life and death situation for the UK lest it might not enjoy superpower status unless he said yes to Bush, then I might just judge Blair less harshly.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-83114</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Blair, being an eloquent speaker than Bush may have voluntered to be just his spokesman. Unlike Reagan, who was one of the Greatest Communicators, Bush can easily turn off his listeners and Blair knew about it.&quot;

Could be but I doubt it. Blair was in on the secret before the invasion of Iraq as the Downing stret memos revealed - there were no stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq but he laboured on beside Bush. That&#039;s why the common topic when it comes to this fiasco is why Blair went ahead defying common sense and reason to invade Iraq? 

He went beyond the calls of friendship and all that WWII gratitude crap - it was just utter dog loyalty to an ideal that was completely wrong. So people think, why - what could have been the reason? Maggie didn&#039;t behave like that at all and told Reagan in no mean terms that she was not for a head on confrontation with the USSR despite Reagan&#039;s insistence to build his star wars as a pre-emptive move, just in case...

There was more than what meets the eye with regards Blair incredibly stupid  public &quot;fealty&quot; to Bush; he was an educated man, considered a politician of high caliber so how could he when he could have persuaded Bush to wait for a couple more days for the UN inspectors to finish their job. So, people now say, it&#039;s the eternal superpower blackmail: defence technology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blair, being an eloquent speaker than Bush may have voluntered to be just his spokesman. Unlike Reagan, who was one of the Greatest Communicators, Bush can easily turn off his listeners and Blair knew about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could be but I doubt it. Blair was in on the secret before the invasion of Iraq as the Downing stret memos revealed &#8211; there were no stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq but he laboured on beside Bush. That&#8217;s why the common topic when it comes to this fiasco is why Blair went ahead defying common sense and reason to invade Iraq? </p>
<p>He went beyond the calls of friendship and all that WWII gratitude crap &#8211; it was just utter dog loyalty to an ideal that was completely wrong. So people think, why &#8211; what could have been the reason? Maggie didn&#8217;t behave like that at all and told Reagan in no mean terms that she was not for a head on confrontation with the USSR despite Reagan&#8217;s insistence to build his star wars as a pre-emptive move, just in case&#8230;</p>
<p>There was more than what meets the eye with regards Blair incredibly stupid  public &#8220;fealty&#8221; to Bush; he was an educated man, considered a politician of high caliber so how could he when he could have persuaded Bush to wait for a couple more days for the UN inspectors to finish their job. So, people now say, it&#8217;s the eternal superpower blackmail: defence technology!</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/09/22/coup-foiled-self-coup/comment-page-1/#comment-83072</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that Blair is considered &quot;eloguent&quot;, which he is somehow, but do you know that he&#039;s taunted here for his &quot;blairing&quot; speech? He easily stutters and mixes up his words when he&#039;s caught off guard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that Blair is considered &#8220;eloguent&#8221;, which he is somehow, but do you know that he&#8217;s taunted here for his &#8220;blairing&#8221; speech? He easily stutters and mixes up his words when he&#8217;s caught off guard.</p>
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