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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-759368</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In these times of protest I think that talking about quack journalist Patricia Evangelista is timely.

Reading her columns, I see in her a glimpse of someone in the bourgeois trying to incite the proletariat.

But for what?

Social justice? 

Maybe. 

But why speak out inflammatorily against the prevailing social order and everything that the government represents?
She is sliding into the pit of anarchistic communism. She wants social change as she says in the column she writes on. But does she have any idea on what will happen if the government she always denounces falls? Maybe this is the right time to tag her as â€œ REBEL WITHOUT A CLUEâ€

Little that she knows, that when the flames of rebellion occurs and our government falls, she wonâ€™t be able to enjoy what she enjoys nowâ€¦Starbucks Frapuccino, McDonalds Burger.

Maybe sheâ€™ll get a little thinner when she is already on a Soviet-type Gulag queing for soup , or even worse, dead ala Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Ms.Evangelista, I think is not conscious that when the governement she denounces in rallies and in paper falls, the ones who will replace it will not be the middle class or those involved in rallies. 

They will be the hardline communists supported implicitly by Satur Ocampo and Prof. Randy David.

They will kill all intelligista when they descend on the mountains and subdue the cities since thereâ€™s no effective fighting force to prevent them.

Pol Potâ€™s Philippine Excursion. 

Think again Patricia, think again before you denounce the â€œfascistsâ€, you might be dead in the hands of your â€œhero communistsâ€.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In these times of protest I think that talking about quack journalist Patricia Evangelista is timely.</p>
<p>Reading her columns, I see in her a glimpse of someone in the bourgeois trying to incite the proletariat.</p>
<p>But for what?</p>
<p>Social justice? </p>
<p>Maybe. </p>
<p>But why speak out inflammatorily against the prevailing social order and everything that the government represents?<br />
She is sliding into the pit of anarchistic communism. She wants social change as she says in the column she writes on. But does she have any idea on what will happen if the government she always denounces falls? Maybe this is the right time to tag her as â€œ REBEL WITHOUT A CLUEâ€</p>
<p>Little that she knows, that when the flames of rebellion occurs and our government falls, she wonâ€™t be able to enjoy what she enjoys nowâ€¦Starbucks Frapuccino, McDonalds Burger.</p>
<p>Maybe sheâ€™ll get a little thinner when she is already on a Soviet-type Gulag queing for soup , or even worse, dead ala Auschwitz-Birkenau.</p>
<p>Ms.Evangelista, I think is not conscious that when the governement she denounces in rallies and in paper falls, the ones who will replace it will not be the middle class or those involved in rallies. </p>
<p>They will be the hardline communists supported implicitly by Satur Ocampo and Prof. Randy David.</p>
<p>They will kill all intelligista when they descend on the mountains and subdue the cities since thereâ€™s no effective fighting force to prevent them.</p>
<p>Pol Potâ€™s Philippine Excursion. </p>
<p>Think again Patricia, think again before you denounce the â€œfascistsâ€, you might be dead in the hands of your â€œhero communistsâ€.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius Pilapil [usc law]</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-741034</link>
		<dc:creator>Julius Pilapil [usc law]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom of expression covers not only the thought we like but also the thought we abhor.  So leave &quot;the lyricist of the Court&quot;[Chief Justice Teehankee] and the &quot;perfect jurist&quot;[Chief Justice Narvasa] alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom of expression covers not only the thought we like but also the thought we abhor.  So leave &#8220;the lyricist of the Court&#8221;[Chief Justice Teehankee] and the &#8220;perfect jurist&#8221;[Chief Justice Narvasa] alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Paenggoy</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-35905</link>
		<dc:creator>Paenggoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Bystander continue to ignore the rest of Cruz&#039;s esaay? He keeps repeating his argument: it is &quot;merely&quot; an opinion or the writer is being &quot;nostalgic.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Bystander continue to ignore the rest of Cruz&#8217;s esaay? He keeps repeating his argument: it is &#8220;merely&#8221; an opinion or the writer is being &#8220;nostalgic.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Arman Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-35147</link>
		<dc:creator>Arman Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harassment is harassment regardless whether one is straight or gay.  Those who harass (whether straight or gay) deserve disdain, resentment and yes even, anger.  

Standards must be applied equally to all.

Harassment and bigotry are despicable.  Justice Cruz did a despicable job writing a very bigotted article.  And that made me angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harassment is harassment regardless whether one is straight or gay.  Those who harass (whether straight or gay) deserve disdain, resentment and yes even, anger.  </p>
<p>Standards must be applied equally to all.</p>
<p>Harassment and bigotry are despicable.  Justice Cruz did a despicable job writing a very bigotted article.  And that made me angry.</p>
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		<title>By: alann</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-35124</link>
		<dc:creator>alann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are etiquette standards for men and women, I think it is about time we also have one for gays. 

nani banaticla said this on August 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pm 

so very true. homosexuals can be crass and vulgar, just like some heterosexuals. let us just avoid the blanket statements.  

its up to society to dictate acceptable mores, but it should never tolerate violence. yes, let&#039;s respect opinions, including Cruz&#039;s, but his hateful words can translate into REAL PHYSICAL HARM- and that is just irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are etiquette standards for men and women, I think it is about time we also have one for gays. </p>
<p>nani banaticla said this on August 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pm </p>
<p>so very true. homosexuals can be crass and vulgar, just like some heterosexuals. let us just avoid the blanket statements.  </p>
<p>its up to society to dictate acceptable mores, but it should never tolerate violence. yes, let&#8217;s respect opinions, including Cruz&#8217;s, but his hateful words can translate into REAL PHYSICAL HARM- and that is just irresponsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Harassed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harassed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that to a traumatized child who experienced worse. I got off &quot;relatively&quot; lucky because I was able to run away.

The &quot;coarse&quot; homosexuals that Cruz is aiming at are the kind that I run into. He is not singling out the entire gay community. Just the kind that give their fellow homosexuals a bad name.

Let me say that again: Just the kind that give their fellow homosexuals a bad name.

This is why reading his piece felt good.

I actually know respectable gay men, and I feel no ill will towards them because the respect we have is mutual.

It was so easy for you to dismiss what I aired. Like I said, walk a mile in my shoes FIRST before you start defending disrespectful people who enjoy grabbing genitals similar to their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to a traumatized child who experienced worse. I got off &#8220;relatively&#8221; lucky because I was able to run away.</p>
<p>The &#8220;coarse&#8221; homosexuals that Cruz is aiming at are the kind that I run into. He is not singling out the entire gay community. Just the kind that give their fellow homosexuals a bad name.</p>
<p>Let me say that again: Just the kind that give their fellow homosexuals a bad name.</p>
<p>This is why reading his piece felt good.</p>
<p>I actually know respectable gay men, and I feel no ill will towards them because the respect we have is mutual.</p>
<p>It was so easy for you to dismiss what I aired. Like I said, walk a mile in my shoes FIRST before you start defending disrespectful people who enjoy grabbing genitals similar to their own.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-34883</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harrassed, the question of sexual harrassment and making a target of an entire community are two separate things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harrassed, the question of sexual harrassment and making a target of an entire community are two separate things.</p>
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		<title>By: Harassed</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/08/21/cloud-cuckoo-land/comment-page-2/#comment-34882</link>
		<dc:creator>Harassed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be easy to rebuke the aging man for his &quot;bigotry,&quot; his old -school views, because being open-minded and accepting of the emergent genders these days is &quot;cool.&quot; Tell me, Mr. Quezon, have you ever been harassed by homosexuals?

I am a heterosexual male, and I&#039;ve always had to endure the flirtatious come-ons of homosexuals whenever I come near their orbit.

When I was younger, one tried to grab my privates. Now that I&#039;m older, they don&#039;t seem to dare do the deed (since I can fight back), but their kind seem to take an inexplicable liking for me.

Maybe I inadvertently get their attention because I&#039;m straight, I don&#039;t know for sure. But whatever the reason, I dislike this &quot;third gender&quot; a lot.

It&#039;s so easy to defend gay people when you have no bone to pick with them, but I suggest you walk a mile in my shoes before you say any more. Despite my respect for all people--gay or not--I must endure their constant harassment.

Cruz may be a bit blunt, and even tasteless, but I actually felt good reading his views. Am I a bigot? After what I go through? I think not. Give Cruz a break, even if I can&#039;t seem to get mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be easy to rebuke the aging man for his &#8220;bigotry,&#8221; his old -school views, because being open-minded and accepting of the emergent genders these days is &#8220;cool.&#8221; Tell me, Mr. Quezon, have you ever been harassed by homosexuals?</p>
<p>I am a heterosexual male, and I&#8217;ve always had to endure the flirtatious come-ons of homosexuals whenever I come near their orbit.</p>
<p>When I was younger, one tried to grab my privates. Now that I&#8217;m older, they don&#8217;t seem to dare do the deed (since I can fight back), but their kind seem to take an inexplicable liking for me.</p>
<p>Maybe I inadvertently get their attention because I&#8217;m straight, I don&#8217;t know for sure. But whatever the reason, I dislike this &#8220;third gender&#8221; a lot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy to defend gay people when you have no bone to pick with them, but I suggest you walk a mile in my shoes before you say any more. Despite my respect for all people&#8211;gay or not&#8211;I must endure their constant harassment.</p>
<p>Cruz may be a bit blunt, and even tasteless, but I actually felt good reading his views. Am I a bigot? After what I go through? I think not. Give Cruz a break, even if I can&#8217;t seem to get mine.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite disconcerting that Justice Cruz should write about Filipino gays in the way he did. 

If it&#039;s true that there are Filipino gays who move about in society in a manner that disturbs him profoundly, he should also denounce the disturbing behaviour of  non-gay individuals or so-called virile men who show off their machism  with offensive vulgarity and odiousness in Manila society and elsewhere in the Philippines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite disconcerting that Justice Cruz should write about Filipino gays in the way he did. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s true that there are Filipino gays who move about in society in a manner that disturbs him profoundly, he should also denounce the disturbing behaviour of  non-gay individuals or so-called virile men who show off their machism  with offensive vulgarity and odiousness in Manila society and elsewhere in the Philippines.</p>
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		<title>By: rego</title>
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		<dc:creator>rego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manolo, 

Thank you so much for championing the rights of LGBT community as well as other minority goups..

I ve been folowing closely ypur responses and I believe you missed to point out one thing.  That this is not the first time that Mr Isagani Cruz resorted to gay bashing in column. I remember the firts one becuase it was one of the topic that were posted in our e group and I responded to it. I was trying to retrieve it from the message section of our egroup but its just difficult because yahoo groups  has  very limited features on retreiving old  topics. And I dont have that much time. 

The first one obviously did not get as much reaction from the LGBT community unlike the second one. The community just let him get away with it. And maybe that is the reason why he did it the second time. 

And I am very sure that this is the reason why the the LGBT community is now reacting like hell about what he wrote this time. As a matter of fact I suggested in our egroup ( membership is 7,000 around the world) that if we will not rise up and the deliver the message to Mr Cruz this time , Im sure he will continue to smash us even more.  
  
More power to you, Manolo!

P.S. Sayang  hindi ka na available. May friend kasi ako sa LA na patay na patay sa yo... he he he....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo, </p>
<p>Thank you so much for championing the rights of LGBT community as well as other minority goups..</p>
<p>I ve been folowing closely ypur responses and I believe you missed to point out one thing.  That this is not the first time that Mr Isagani Cruz resorted to gay bashing in column. I remember the firts one becuase it was one of the topic that were posted in our e group and I responded to it. I was trying to retrieve it from the message section of our egroup but its just difficult because yahoo groups  has  very limited features on retreiving old  topics. And I dont have that much time. </p>
<p>The first one obviously did not get as much reaction from the LGBT community unlike the second one. The community just let him get away with it. And maybe that is the reason why he did it the second time. </p>
<p>And I am very sure that this is the reason why the the LGBT community is now reacting like hell about what he wrote this time. As a matter of fact I suggested in our egroup ( membership is 7,000 around the world) that if we will not rise up and the deliver the message to Mr Cruz this time , Im sure he will continue to smash us even more.  </p>
<p>More power to you, Manolo!</p>
<p>P.S. Sayang  hindi ka na available. May friend kasi ako sa LA na patay na patay sa yo&#8230; he he he&#8230;.</p>
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