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		<title>By: divina grace</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-665631</link>
		<dc:creator>divina grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need the mean source of  between pres. FIDEL V. RAMOS and pres. AQUINO....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need the mean source of  between pres. FIDEL V. RAMOS and pres. AQUINO&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: leosalvo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27463</link>
		<dc:creator>leosalvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie was invetigated by the Senate. What happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie was invetigated by the Senate. What happened?</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27333</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat, do be quiet... it&#039;s your judgement that&#039;s been clouded from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat, do be quiet&#8230; it&#8217;s your judgement that&#8217;s been clouded from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: juan makabayan</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27176</link>
		<dc:creator>juan makabayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Accountability (of Gen Angelo Reyes)
Cardinal Jaime Sin Symbolic Head of the Catholic Church, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Hilarion Davide, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Angelo Reyes, as heads of institutions that are vital for the well-being of 80M Filipinos were entrusted and vested with powers that can build or destroy a nation. With POWER comes RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY  -- 

for Breach of Faith, breach of Trust, breach of Loyalty, breach of Pledge, breach of Vow, breach of Duty, breach of the Constitution Ã¢â‚¬Â¦</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Accountability (of Gen Angelo Reyes)<br />
Cardinal Jaime Sin Symbolic Head of the Catholic Church, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Hilarion Davide, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Angelo Reyes, as heads of institutions that are vital for the well-being of 80M Filipinos were entrusted and vested with powers that can build or destroy a nation. With POWER comes RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY  &#8212; </p>
<p>for Breach of Faith, breach of Trust, breach of Loyalty, breach of Pledge, breach of Vow, breach of Duty, breach of the Constitution Ã¢â‚¬Â¦</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27131</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your beef with Angelo Reyes? There are other &quot;traitors&quot; in their midst ? 

Slow down a bit. Too much obsession with the person clouds your sound judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your beef with Angelo Reyes? There are other &#8220;traitors&#8221; in their midst ? </p>
<p>Slow down a bit. Too much obsession with the person clouds your sound judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27109</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more trivia Cat, 

Very, very true story...

In 2002, Angie Reyes was invited by the UK to seal the deal UK Kinetic company deal with RP. Because he was RP&#039;s Minister of Defence who was there on defence business, due military protocol was accorded him. However, to give you an idea of his reputation, one Green Jacket commander (UK Army) who was present when he visited Plymouth asked me later on &quot;Wasn&#039;t he the Chief of the Army (military position &amp; rank which I corrected naturally) who led the Armed Forces mutiny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more trivia Cat, </p>
<p>Very, very true story&#8230;</p>
<p>In 2002, Angie Reyes was invited by the UK to seal the deal UK Kinetic company deal with RP. Because he was RP&#8217;s Minister of Defence who was there on defence business, due military protocol was accorded him. However, to give you an idea of his reputation, one Green Jacket commander (UK Army) who was present when he visited Plymouth asked me later on &#8220;Wasn&#8217;t he the Chief of the Army (military position &amp; rank which I corrected naturally) who led the Armed Forces mutiny?</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27108</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat,

You need not go to international military circles to define the military crime committed by Angie and his commanders. Simply ask his classmates from PMA Class 66 who were already retired when Reyes led his mutiny. They will give the same verdict: MUTINY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat,</p>
<p>You need not go to international military circles to define the military crime committed by Angie and his commanders. Simply ask his classmates from PMA Class 66 who were already retired when Reyes led his mutiny. They will give the same verdict: MUTINY.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27105</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat,

More on military trivia:

During the Algerian war of independence, a few French generals who were against granting Algeria their independence and staged a mutiny.

They had the backing of many of the rich &quot;pieds noir&quot; (French who were born and grew up in Algeria). Their cause was almost noble - they felt that French pied noirs were being shortchanged in the process, etc. (Btw, the pied noirs exodus was one of the largest human exodus in modern history). They also felt that the pied noirs who wanted to stay behind needed protection and therefore the military should stay put. But the military order was to pack up and leave - troops were consigned to their barracks while awaiting pullout. Because of that order, thousands of pied noirs were left without protectiion in their homes and were promptly massacred by FLN (Algerian FLN).

The French generals who committed mutiny - defying de Gaulle&#039;s orders no matter the nobility of their purpose, were arrested, tried and a few of them shot. End of story.

In the same vein, the UK has outlawed hanging, capital punishment but the UK Armed Forces still carry in its Articles of War, the death penalty for mutineers.

Until today, all of HMS ships post HMS Navy Articles of War in its wardrooms which state that muntiny is punishable by death. 

There&#039;s no way you can go around it. You may ask the UK Defence Forces Chief of Staff what Angie Reyes and his major service commanders committed when they &quot;withdrew support&quot; from a legally constitutionally mandated president of the republic and without batting an eyelash, he would say: MUTINY.

You can also ask General Colin Powell and it will be the same verdict.

That Angie Reyes won and is free today is neither here nor there and even if you surround his act with civilian pomp and pageantry - the military verdict will be unanimous. He led and committed a mutiny. In military law, he and the others should be shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat,</p>
<p>More on military trivia:</p>
<p>During the Algerian war of independence, a few French generals who were against granting Algeria their independence and staged a mutiny.</p>
<p>They had the backing of many of the rich &#8220;pieds noir&#8221; (French who were born and grew up in Algeria). Their cause was almost noble &#8211; they felt that French pied noirs were being shortchanged in the process, etc. (Btw, the pied noirs exodus was one of the largest human exodus in modern history). They also felt that the pied noirs who wanted to stay behind needed protection and therefore the military should stay put. But the military order was to pack up and leave &#8211; troops were consigned to their barracks while awaiting pullout. Because of that order, thousands of pied noirs were left without protectiion in their homes and were promptly massacred by FLN (Algerian FLN).</p>
<p>The French generals who committed mutiny &#8211; defying de Gaulle&#8217;s orders no matter the nobility of their purpose, were arrested, tried and a few of them shot. End of story.</p>
<p>In the same vein, the UK has outlawed hanging, capital punishment but the UK Armed Forces still carry in its Articles of War, the death penalty for mutineers.</p>
<p>Until today, all of HMS ships post HMS Navy Articles of War in its wardrooms which state that muntiny is punishable by death. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way you can go around it. You may ask the UK Defence Forces Chief of Staff what Angie Reyes and his major service commanders committed when they &#8220;withdrew support&#8221; from a legally constitutionally mandated president of the republic and without batting an eyelash, he would say: MUTINY.</p>
<p>You can also ask General Colin Powell and it will be the same verdict.</p>
<p>That Angie Reyes won and is free today is neither here nor there and even if you surround his act with civilian pomp and pageantry &#8211; the military verdict will be unanimous. He led and committed a mutiny. In military law, he and the others should be shot.</p>
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		<title>By: anna de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27102</link>
		<dc:creator>anna de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat,

Wikepeda does not write the Articles of War for the military nor do military officers subscribe to the definitions of wikepeda to implement their own rules, regulations and laws. 

Angie Reyes and his major service commanders committed mutiny under the Articles of War - full stop. There is NO professional or bona-fide military institution nor any military academy in the world today that will disagree with what I advanced, whatever the political context.

There is no going around about it. I place them in a military context and not in civilian context because they were supposed to be military officers, the reason perhaps why we don&#039;t agree.

The military has its own set of rules and its own laws (naturally, their laws are subservient to the Constitution of a Republic) and in the context of their commission of their military crime at that time and while Angie Reyes and his commanders were wearing their uniform, I would and will always see their actions then in terms of military justice. 

This is one time and one area when you can apply the adage: black or white. (Although I grant you that military traditions dating from as far back as King George IIIrd&#039;s colonial and army forces and not even Napoleon&#039;s army and up to today, have not always applied the adage or seen things in black and white, and rightly so.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat,</p>
<p>Wikepeda does not write the Articles of War for the military nor do military officers subscribe to the definitions of wikepeda to implement their own rules, regulations and laws. </p>
<p>Angie Reyes and his major service commanders committed mutiny under the Articles of War &#8211; full stop. There is NO professional or bona-fide military institution nor any military academy in the world today that will disagree with what I advanced, whatever the political context.</p>
<p>There is no going around about it. I place them in a military context and not in civilian context because they were supposed to be military officers, the reason perhaps why we don&#8217;t agree.</p>
<p>The military has its own set of rules and its own laws (naturally, their laws are subservient to the Constitution of a Republic) and in the context of their commission of their military crime at that time and while Angie Reyes and his commanders were wearing their uniform, I would and will always see their actions then in terms of military justice. </p>
<p>This is one time and one area when you can apply the adage: black or white. (Although I grant you that military traditions dating from as far back as King George IIIrd&#8217;s colonial and army forces and not even Napoleon&#8217;s army and up to today, have not always applied the adage or seen things in black and white, and rightly so.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Ca t</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/07/05/military-pickle/comment-page-2/#comment-27101</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ca t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ana wrote:
&quot;When they dilly-dallied, they were discovered so, they backed out but it was rightly labeled conspiracy to commit and attempted coup dÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÂ©tat - it had all the ingredients and the mechanics for the toppling a duly constituted, legitimate government. No charges were filed against the organizers because Wilson felt that he didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to shake the status quo.&quot;

I agree with them, it was more of a conspiracy and not a  coup since there were other powerful groups who were involved and it was a covert and deceptive plan, unlike the coups carried out by Gringo et al.

If JAmby together with the Left oust the president, I would consider that a revolution since we will be expecting a change in the political system. Come on people, do you think Sison would allow democracy to live on. hah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ana wrote:<br />
&#8220;When they dilly-dallied, they were discovered so, they backed out but it was rightly labeled conspiracy to commit and attempted coup dÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÂ©tat &#8211; it had all the ingredients and the mechanics for the toppling a duly constituted, legitimate government. No charges were filed against the organizers because Wilson felt that he didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to shake the status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with them, it was more of a conspiracy and not a  coup since there were other powerful groups who were involved and it was a covert and deceptive plan, unlike the coups carried out by Gringo et al.</p>
<p>If JAmby together with the Left oust the president, I would consider that a revolution since we will be expecting a change in the political system. Come on people, do you think Sison would allow democracy to live on. hah</p>
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