Comments on: Sandbagging the Pope http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: blog @ AWBHoldings.com » Long Live Gloriana, Queen of the Philippines http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-26169 blog @ AWBHoldings.com » Long Live Gloriana, Queen of the Philippines Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:10:30 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-26169 [...] And right after meeting Pope Benedict XVI, Arroyo minced no words in using the Pope. Her message basically said the Pope sang praises of her acts, and supports the Chacha ChooChoo train. Again, read the pertinent quote in the excellent DJB post. MLQ3, not amused by the booboos of the Fortress protocol (addressing the King of Spain in a press release as “Highness”, the appellation reserved for a prince; Arroyo making “mano” instead of just shaking hands, as protocol between two heads of state, and besides if she really want to pay obeisance, she has to kiss the Pope’s ring), titled his blog post as Sandbagging the Pope. [...] [...] And right after meeting Pope Benedict XVI, Arroyo minced no words in using the Pope. Her message basically said the Pope sang praises of her acts, and supports the Chacha ChooChoo train. Again, read the pertinent quote in the excellent DJB post. MLQ3, not amused by the booboos of the Fortress protocol (addressing the King of Spain in a press release as “Highness”, the appellation reserved for a prince; Arroyo making “mano” instead of just shaking hands, as protocol between two heads of state, and besides if she really want to pay obeisance, she has to kiss the Pope’s ring), titled his blog post as Sandbagging the Pope. [...]

]]> By: juan voice http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-26124 juan voice Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:49:01 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-26124 Antonio, “a shift to a parliamentary form of government an organic development?” Yes, in the same way that cancerous tumor is organic, growths out of illegal, unconstitutional and undemocratic processes are malignant. GMA’s presidency is organic but its illegitimacy is a malignancy, it debilitates and damages other organic democratic institutions corrupted by it. One Voice advocates adherence to democratic constitutional processes as antidote to GMA’s malignant illegitimacy, to arrest the break down of social and political institutions, to reverse the culture of impunity and to contribute to a milieu conducive for benevolent organic growth and strengthening of our democratic institutions. Democracy is antidote to GMA’s autocracy. What kind of democracy are the times calling for? Popular democracy? nationalist-socialist-militant democracy? Democratic citizenship? Citizens who are committed to their duties and responsibilities in a democracy? Antonio,
“a shift to a parliamentary form of government an organic development?”

Yes, in the same way that cancerous tumor is organic, growths out of illegal, unconstitutional and undemocratic processes are malignant. GMA’s presidency is organic but its illegitimacy is a malignancy, it debilitates and damages other organic democratic institutions corrupted by it.

One Voice advocates adherence to democratic constitutional processes as antidote to GMA’s malignant illegitimacy, to arrest the break down of social and political institutions, to reverse the culture of impunity and to contribute to a milieu conducive for benevolent organic growth and strengthening of our democratic institutions.

Democracy is antidote to GMA’s autocracy. What kind of democracy are the times calling for? Popular democracy? nationalist-socialist-militant democracy? Democratic citizenship? Citizens who are committed to their duties and responsibilities in a democracy?

]]> By: Lynn http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-26024 Lynn Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:24:50 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-26024 What's wrong with that picture and the caption: 1. The caption says she's kneeling when she's clearly not. 2. There doesn't seem to be any blessing going on in that picture, just Arroyo merely greeting and bowing respectfully to the pope. It's disgusting how she claimed to have "virtually gotten" the Pope's blessing. Who knows for sure what they even talked about, and if he did disapprove of anything she's been doing, she's definitely going to say anything about it. I'd like to see a news report on TRUTHFUL things Arroyo actually said. What’s wrong with that picture and the caption:

1. The caption says she’s kneeling when she’s clearly not.
2. There doesn’t seem to be any blessing going on in that picture, just Arroyo merely greeting and bowing respectfully to the pope.

It’s disgusting how she claimed to have “virtually gotten” the Pope’s blessing. Who knows for sure what they even talked about, and if he did disapprove of anything she’s been doing, she’s definitely going to say anything about it. I’d like to see a news report on TRUTHFUL things Arroyo actually said.

]]> By: mlq3 http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25764 mlq3 Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:28:08 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25764 joselu, i can't sayt what you want me to say, because what you want me to say is not what i mean. joselu, i can’t sayt what you want me to say, because what you want me to say is not what i mean.

]]> By: Joselu http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25762 Joselu Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:10:29 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25762 mlq3,so your saying we must stick it out w/ a system that has not brough us any prosperity.your actually closing the door to everything else. A system change is a change or are you just to attached to a "form". You really just want more of the same. You actually still want people to continue w/ the "politics of personalities". I still think it's dishonest to plant in the peoples mind that something is being taken away from them in changing the system. So why don't you just say it stright that by not electing a president directly it is no democracy at all. The Right will always be there,"the people" will still & always elect their leaders.The people tis time will be directed to the importance of the party.There will be a greater choice of leaders to chose from.Issues can be stettled in a more localized manner insted of pulling the entire nation down. I think we must be couragous enough to get out of a system where the sysbol of the "president" has become a very personal matter. what will the country be missing.The fiesta atmosphere of presidential elections where there are goodies for everybody.favors counter favors that are all the small seed of corruption. mlq3,so your saying we must stick it out w/ a system that has not brough us any prosperity.your actually closing the door to everything else.
A system change is a change or are you just to attached to a “form”.
You really just want more of the same.
You actually still want people to continue w/ the “politics of personalities”.
I still think it’s dishonest to plant in the peoples mind that something is being taken away from them in changing the system.
So why don’t you just say it stright that by not electing a president directly it is no democracy at all.
The Right will always be there,”the people” will still & always elect their leaders.The people tis time will be directed to the importance of the party.There will be a greater choice of leaders to chose from.Issues can be stettled in a more localized manner insted of pulling the entire nation down.
I think we must be couragous enough to get out of a system where the sysbol of the “president” has become a very personal matter.
what will the country be missing.The fiesta atmosphere of presidential elections where there are goodies for everybody.favors counter favors that are all the small seed of corruption.

]]> By: vic http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25751 vic Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:07:16 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25751 my mistake, a convicted person can not run while serving sentence, (for obvious reason) and may after. So stupid and ignorant may run, anyways that our Rights to Equality is For.. my mistake, a convicted person can not run while serving sentence, (for obvious reason) and may after. So stupid and ignorant may run, anyways that our Rights to Equality is For..

]]> By: vic http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25750 vic Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:16:36 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25750 "There should also be qualifying exams for all candidates for all elective offices, so that stupid and ignorant people are prevented from entering politics, no matter how popular they may be". The above statement by writer Tony Abaya is Equally Stupid as voters who elect ignorant and stupid candidates into office. And if you look at who are the elected current officials, considering the record of their services, can majority of them passed the requied Abaya's Candidate qualifying Exams? I've heard some of them have stint of tenure at some Ivy League instituions. Some the products of the country foremost universities. Listen to them debating or arguing, you might think you are at the Mensa club. But are the worth the office they're holding now? To Mr. Abaya, here is one good for you. "To qualify to run for Candidate in any elected office in any riding within the Country, one must be a qualified voter at Election day and is not a convicted person, or not being dishcarge from bankcruptcy, or prohibited by law to run (such as the members of Election Canada)". Qualifying Exams, my foot... “There should also be qualifying exams for all candidates for all elective offices, so that stupid and ignorant people are prevented from entering politics, no matter how popular they may be”.

The above statement by writer Tony Abaya is Equally Stupid as voters who elect ignorant and stupid candidates into office.
And if you look at who are the elected current officials, considering the record of their services, can majority of them passed the requied Abaya’s Candidate qualifying Exams? I’ve heard some of them have stint of tenure at some Ivy League instituions. Some the products of the country foremost universities. Listen to them debating or arguing, you might think you are at the Mensa club. But are the worth the office they’re holding now?
To Mr. Abaya, here is one good for you.
“To qualify to run for Candidate in any elected office in any riding within the Country, one must be a qualified voter at Election day and is not a convicted person, or not being dishcarge from bankcruptcy, or prohibited by law to run (such as the members of Election Canada)”. Qualifying Exams, my foot…

]]> By: antonio http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25743 antonio Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:23:56 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25743 i would agree cvj. that's exactly what i said to philconsa when they tried to pitch the idea at my school a long time ago. i would agree cvj. that’s exactly what i said to philconsa when they tried to pitch the idea at my school a long time ago.

]]> By: cvj http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25742 cvj Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:18:11 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25742 Organically speaking, a unicameral-parliamentary system would be a good environment for the trapos and traditional elites to thrive. I don't think it would be a hospitable one for the rest. Organically speaking, a unicameral-parliamentary system would be a good environment for the trapos and traditional elites to thrive. I don’t think it would be a hospitable one for the rest.

]]> By: antonio http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/27/sandbagging-the-pope/comment-page-1/#comment-25738 antonio Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:58:52 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/?p=940#comment-25738 "Whatever government we have now and in the future, unless we are physically occupied by a foreign power again, can be deemed organically grown." So does this mean that we can consider a shift to a parliamentary form of government an organic development? Or, since the shift is not popularly considered as an authentic expression of the people, we can consider it analogous to being occupied by a foreign power - foreign, i guess, in the sense that the proponents no longer represent the filipino people? “Whatever government we have now and in the future, unless we are physically occupied by a foreign power again, can be deemed organically grown.” So does this mean that we can consider a shift to a parliamentary form of government an organic development? Or, since the shift is not popularly considered as an authentic expression of the people, we can consider it analogous to being occupied by a foreign power – foreign, i guess, in the sense that the proponents no longer represent the filipino people?

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