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		<title>By: Virgilio</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-198371</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buon luogo piacevole senza qualsiasi cosa dispari, ben progettata!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buon luogo piacevole senza qualsiasi cosa dispari, ben progettata!</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24323</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The most probable culprit behind the â€œscapegoatingâ€ of the Left is the built-in, deep-seated anti-Left and anti-communist sentiments among the populace.&quot; - tonyo

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.  This is probably justified back in the late 80&#039;s but is inexcusable in light of  events in the 90&#039;s up to today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The most probable culprit behind the â€œscapegoatingâ€ of the Left is the built-in, deep-seated anti-Left and anti-communist sentiments among the populace.&#8221; &#8211; tonyo</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  This is probably justified back in the late 80&#8217;s but is inexcusable in light of  events in the 90&#8217;s up to today.</p>
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		<title>By: tonyo</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24298</link>
		<dc:creator>tonyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vic, the Left has formed in 2001 (Bayan Muna) and 2003 (Anakpawis and Gabriela) three parties that campaigned for and won several seats in the House of Representatives. Their electoral victories were remarkable and untainted. Their representatives brought to Congress the advocacies of the Parliament of the Streets. Unfortunately, there are some malignant, anti-communist, anti-Left forces that propose that all these parties be extinguished through trumped-up rebellion cases (against the Batasan 6 or the duly-elected representatives) and the mass murder of their members and organizers. Even the kitchen sink is thrown their way. 

It is likewise sad that the Left has been mentioned somewhere here as a scapegoat for the immobility of other political forces. It is alleged that the Left is acting overzealously in the conduct of its activist work among other political forces. Hello!? Nothing could be farther from the truth, as we could glean from the acts of the revitalized Left especially since the Left helped propel the broad nationwide movement to oust Estrada. The Left knows it cannot oust presidents by its lonesome. So why in heaven&#039;s name would they antagonize their prospective allies. The most probable culprit behind the &quot;scapegoating&quot; of the Left is the built-in, deep-seated anti-Left and anti-communist sentiments among the populace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vic, the Left has formed in 2001 (Bayan Muna) and 2003 (Anakpawis and Gabriela) three parties that campaigned for and won several seats in the House of Representatives. Their electoral victories were remarkable and untainted. Their representatives brought to Congress the advocacies of the Parliament of the Streets. Unfortunately, there are some malignant, anti-communist, anti-Left forces that propose that all these parties be extinguished through trumped-up rebellion cases (against the Batasan 6 or the duly-elected representatives) and the mass murder of their members and organizers. Even the kitchen sink is thrown their way. </p>
<p>It is likewise sad that the Left has been mentioned somewhere here as a scapegoat for the immobility of other political forces. It is alleged that the Left is acting overzealously in the conduct of its activist work among other political forces. Hello!? Nothing could be farther from the truth, as we could glean from the acts of the revitalized Left especially since the Left helped propel the broad nationwide movement to oust Estrada. The Left knows it cannot oust presidents by its lonesome. So why in heaven&#8217;s name would they antagonize their prospective allies. The most probable culprit behind the &#8220;scapegoating&#8221; of the Left is the built-in, deep-seated anti-Left and anti-communist sentiments among the populace.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24183</link>
		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very best way for the National Democratic leaders to overthrow the current govt. or to form the govt. themselves is to band together and build a strong party based on principles and ideologies of the left rather than on personalities and to renounce violence or arm struggle as one of its principles and contest it the Electoral Process.                           The two povinces of Saskatchewan and Manitoba (Canada) have been both run by New Democratic Party which is a Leftist party or in our term Socialist and both provinces have been returning New Democrats to the government time and time again.  Maybe, just maybe that&#039;s is what the country needs-The National Democratic Party at the helm.  May finally direct the country to the right direction.  But then again I might just be wishing..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very best way for the National Democratic leaders to overthrow the current govt. or to form the govt. themselves is to band together and build a strong party based on principles and ideologies of the left rather than on personalities and to renounce violence or arm struggle as one of its principles and contest it the Electoral Process.                           The two povinces of Saskatchewan and Manitoba (Canada) have been both run by New Democratic Party which is a Leftist party or in our term Socialist and both provinces have been returning New Democrats to the government time and time again.  Maybe, just maybe that&#8217;s is what the country needs-The National Democratic Party at the helm.  May finally direct the country to the right direction.  But then again I might just be wishing..</p>
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		<title>By: joan</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24177</link>
		<dc:creator>joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>baka hindi mo pa alam. may mahahabang comments tungkol sa sinulat mo.

http://redscare.motime.com
http://allecoallende.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>baka hindi mo pa alam. may mahahabang comments tungkol sa sinulat mo.</p>
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		<title>By: ricelander</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricelander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Cory, how does it feel kaya being thumbed down by the very woman she had helped install into office? Same thing with Ramos, same thing with Beltran and company...and civil society?  I have no problem slugging it out with an enemy, but with someone who owes me a debt of gratitude? It must really cut deep deep down. Do  I hear someone screaming &quot;buti nga sa inyo!&quot; 
Just kidding, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Cory, how does it feel kaya being thumbed down by the very woman she had helped install into office? Same thing with Ramos, same thing with Beltran and company&#8230;and civil society?  I have no problem slugging it out with an enemy, but with someone who owes me a debt of gratitude? It must really cut deep deep down. Do  I hear someone screaming &#8220;buti nga sa inyo!&#8221;<br />
Just kidding, really.</p>
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		<title>By: rude_boy_manila</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24068</link>
		<dc:creator>rude_boy_manila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops ... open mouth, stick in foot.  just wandered onto ellen tordesilla&#039;s blog (thanks to the link above).  nelly sindayen&#039;s report in that time story was not credible pala.  well ... since my foot is in my mouth, why don&#039;t i suck my big toe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8230; open mouth, stick in foot.  just wandered onto ellen tordesilla&#8217;s blog (thanks to the link above).  nelly sindayen&#8217;s report in that time story was not credible pala.  well &#8230; since my foot is in my mouth, why don&#8217;t i suck my big toe.</p>
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		<title>By: rude_boy_manila</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24067</link>
		<dc:creator>rude_boy_manila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i can&#039;t figure out is why the leftists are getting mowed  for allegedly attempting to overthrow gma&#039;s government, but those from the traditional political elites such as saycon and peping cojuangco, who have both been implicated by nelly sindayen in time magazine for conspiring to overthrow gma as well (nelly sindayen has NOT, as far as i know, retracted implicating them) are running around with no consequences at all.  is this because the traditional political elites regard the political arena as their turf - and so expect confrontation from one another - but if those from other classes attempt to invade that turf, then that attempt must be crushed by all possible means?  what the hell is up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i can&#8217;t figure out is why the leftists are getting mowed  for allegedly attempting to overthrow gma&#8217;s government, but those from the traditional political elites such as saycon and peping cojuangco, who have both been implicated by nelly sindayen in time magazine for conspiring to overthrow gma as well (nelly sindayen has NOT, as far as i know, retracted implicating them) are running around with no consequences at all.  is this because the traditional political elites regard the political arena as their turf &#8211; and so expect confrontation from one another &#8211; but if those from other classes attempt to invade that turf, then that attempt must be crushed by all possible means?  what the hell is up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/06/07/what-weve-learned-the-national-democrats/comment-page-1/#comment-24064</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mong, you and i have been in some of the same meetings. i think a lot of good will was felt, and attempted, but the natdem style hasn&#039;t fostered much good will. but then, that&#039;s my perception. and to think you&#039;re dealing with groups that aren&#039;t instinctively anti-left, though of course many are firmly anti-cpp ideology.

bsyander, self-righteous is as self-righteous does, there&#039;s more than enough to go around, though of course those who can rely on a gun to settle the argument, i&#039;d suggest, have a tendency to be more self-righteous than others.

there are distinctions to be made between leftists, of course. personally, i find myself very sympathetic to the akbayan or institute of popular democracy types: they too, are being persecuted, but their situation is worst of all. their fellow leftists hate them, the government hates them, the rest don&#039;t understand them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mong, you and i have been in some of the same meetings. i think a lot of good will was felt, and attempted, but the natdem style hasn&#8217;t fostered much good will. but then, that&#8217;s my perception. and to think you&#8217;re dealing with groups that aren&#8217;t instinctively anti-left, though of course many are firmly anti-cpp ideology.</p>
<p>bsyander, self-righteous is as self-righteous does, there&#8217;s more than enough to go around, though of course those who can rely on a gun to settle the argument, i&#8217;d suggest, have a tendency to be more self-righteous than others.</p>
<p>there are distinctions to be made between leftists, of course. personally, i find myself very sympathetic to the akbayan or institute of popular democracy types: they too, are being persecuted, but their situation is worst of all. their fellow leftists hate them, the government hates them, the rest don&#8217;t understand them.</p>
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		<title>By: karl garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>karl garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are really losing productive people abroad. I have read that our farners are moving to Japan because of over industrialization and technology those who are twenty to forty have no knowledge of farming....


I am waiting for Gloria&#039;s spin to this ...that she make it look like that it is a good thing for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are really losing productive people abroad. I have read that our farners are moving to Japan because of over industrialization and technology those who are twenty to forty have no knowledge of farming&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am waiting for Gloria&#8217;s spin to this &#8230;that she make it look like that it is a good thing for us!</p>
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