Comments on: Plan perfect http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: The Chacha Choochoo Diversion? | The BLIPS Network http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-2/#comment-1053837 The Chacha Choochoo Diversion? | The BLIPS Network Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:26:37 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-1053837 [...] has a different opinion, saying that the Chacha plan is almost perfect and [...] [...] has a different opinion, saying that the Chacha plan is almost perfect and [...]

]]> By: Santiago vs. Comelec - will the Supreme Court overturn its decision? | Atty-at-Work http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-789954 Santiago vs. Comelec - will the Supreme Court overturn its decision? | Atty-at-Work Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:33:45 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-789954 [...] ng Bayan]. DJB notes how JDV predicted a “parliamentary utopia” in four months, while MLQ3 writes about the “perfect plan” to effect Charter Change [see also “Lobbying the [...] [...] ng Bayan]. DJB notes how JDV predicted a “parliamentary utopia” in four months, while MLQ3 writes about the “perfect plan” to effect Charter Change [see also “Lobbying the [...]

]]> By: Tet Gambito http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14266 Tet Gambito Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:52:52 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14266 <blockquote> <a href="http://reklamo.ph/maritimewatchkeeper/?p=103#comments" title="Click" rel="nofollow"> here for my comments.</a></blockquote>

here for my comments.

]]> By: Tet Gambito http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14195 Tet Gambito Mon, 03 Apr 2006 00:23:53 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14195 <blockquote cite="At the same time, the traditional ills of big business -what the academe refers to as “rent-seeking,” that is, exchanging support for the powers-that-be for preferential treatment that gives business supporters an unfair advantage, hasn’t been curbed."></blockquote> ]]> By: otoy http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14080 otoy Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:12:18 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14080 any form of vote bying is ethically wrong regardless of where you get the money. any government funds used not intended for government official duty/activity is illegal. whether some one use the results of vote bying in the palace initiative for PR or for comelec, it is illegal if gov't funds were used. the questions now are...did they use gov't funds for this initiative?do we have evidence? will the evidence stand in a court of law? but the biggest question is...DO WE STILL HAVE THE POWER OF COURT OF LAW? any form of vote bying is ethically wrong regardless of where you get the money. any government funds used not intended for government official duty/activity is illegal.

whether some one use the results of vote bying in the palace initiative for PR or for comelec, it is illegal if gov’t funds were used.

the questions now are…did they use gov’t funds for this initiative?do we have evidence? will the evidence stand in a court of law?

but the biggest question is…DO WE STILL HAVE THE POWER OF COURT OF LAW?

]]> By: atty-at-work http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14049 atty-at-work Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:09:50 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14049 <strong>Will the Supreme Court overturn Santiago vs. COMELEC?...</strong> In Santiago vs. COMELEC, the Supreme Court ruled that Republic Act No. 6735 (also known as the "People's Initiative and Referendum Act"), is “incomplete, inadequate, or wanting in essential terms...... Will the Supreme Court overturn Santiago vs. COMELEC?…

In Santiago vs. COMELEC, the Supreme Court ruled that Republic Act No. 6735 (also known as the “People’s Initiative and Referendum Act”), is “incomplete, inadequate, or wanting in essential terms……

]]> By: john marzan http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14043 john marzan Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:00:14 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14043 <blockquote><i>It is a puzzlement then why there are no great howls of protest and no court cases being made … </i></blockquote> kaya nga ito ang tanong ko kanina: <blockquote><i>is vote buying and signature buying legal? i don’t mind if a candidate uses his/her own money to buy people’s support. pero kapag ginamit mo ang pera ng bayan para sa ganitong effort, hindi ba illegal yan?</i></blockquote> If the gov't is, frankly speaking... bribing officials and residents to gather signatures for CHA CHA, illegal ba yan? ethically it's wrong, we know that. but is it illegal kung hindi naman ito isu-submit sa comelec and the gathered sigs will only be used for PR purposes? (so that the admin can claim na they have the "people's support" on cha cha)

It is a puzzlement then why there are no great howls of protest and no court cases being made …

kaya nga ito ang tanong ko kanina:

is vote buying and signature buying legal? i don’t mind if a candidate uses his/her own money to buy people’s support. pero kapag ginamit mo ang pera ng bayan para sa ganitong effort, hindi ba illegal yan?

If the gov’t is, frankly speaking… bribing officials and residents to gather signatures for CHA CHA, illegal ba yan?

ethically it’s wrong, we know that. but is it illegal kung hindi naman ito isu-submit sa comelec and the gathered sigs will only be used for PR purposes? (so that the admin can claim na they have the “people’s support” on cha cha)

]]> By: Jon Mariano http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14042 Jon Mariano Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:03:26 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14042 It is a puzzlement then why there are no great howls of protest and no court cases being made ... It is a puzzlement then why there are no great howls of protest and no court cases being made …

]]> By: john marzan http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14041 john marzan Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:53:12 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14041 actually jon, many people were openly admitting to it: <a href="http://www.malaya.com.ph/mar27/news1.htm" rel="nofollow">From Malaya</a>: <blockquote><i>Sen. Panfilo Lacson said: "This government has near-perfected the art of deceiving the people." He said reports from the field showed government men were orchestrating the barangay assemblies. <b>"Talagang gumagastos sila ng pera sa pagpipirma na ginagawa nila. Sinasamantala nila ang kumakalam na sikmura ng kababayan natin para maisakatuparan ang kanilang hangarin na mag-shift tayo sa parliamentary system through people’s initiative. Alam nilang malaki ang problema sa Mataas na Kapulungan ng Kongreso," Lacson said.</b><b> Senate minority leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr. said P20 million was initially released for the signature campaign. </b><b>He said municipal development officers of the Department of Interior and Local Government organized and coordinated the barangay assemblies.</b> "In that meeting, the local government officials were told about the funds for the holding of the barangay assembly and the money had been released," Pimentel said... Pimentel said he was not surprised anymore when barangay officials and workers, as well as residents, <b>openly admitted that bribe money was being offered to those who would sign the petition calling for amendments to the Constitution.</b></i></blockquote> actually jon, many people were openly admitting to it:

From Malaya:

Sen. Panfilo Lacson said: “This government has near-perfected the art of deceiving the people.”

He said reports from the field showed government men were orchestrating the barangay assemblies.

“Talagang gumagastos sila ng pera sa pagpipirma na ginagawa nila. Sinasamantala nila ang kumakalam na sikmura ng kababayan natin para maisakatuparan ang kanilang hangarin na mag-shift tayo sa parliamentary system through people’s initiative. Alam nilang malaki ang problema sa Mataas na Kapulungan ng Kongreso,” Lacson said.

Senate minority leader Aquilino Pimentel Jr. said P20 million was initially released for the signature campaign.

He said municipal development officers of the Department of Interior and Local Government organized and coordinated the barangay assemblies.

“In that meeting, the local government officials were told about the funds for the holding of the barangay assembly and the money had been released,” Pimentel said…

Pimentel said he was not surprised anymore when barangay officials and workers, as well as residents, openly admitted that bribe money was being offered to those who would sign the petition calling for amendments to the Constitution.

]]> By: Jon Mariano http://www.quezon.ph/2006/03/30/plan-perfect/comment-page-1/#comment-14037 Jon Mariano Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:10:46 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=880#comment-14037 John, even to me it(charter change initiative) looks like a train that cannot be stopped all of a sudden. Your point (a) is very clear, point (b) is a little difficult to prove unless the ordinary people who received the grease money come forward and say so. Even if it insults a few of us, who cares? Even if there's no insurance that this chacha will really help the Filipino in the long run, who can stop it? John, even to me it(charter change initiative) looks like a train that cannot be stopped all of a sudden. Your point (a) is very clear, point (b) is a little difficult to prove unless the ordinary people who received the grease money come forward and say so. Even if it insults a few of us, who cares? Even if there’s no insurance that this chacha will really help the Filipino in the long run, who can stop it?

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